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« on: March 29, 2011, 08:59:35 PM »
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/iteam/2011/03/hbos-real-sports-must-see-tv-for-final-four-viewers

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HBO's Real Sports must-see TV for Final Four viewers
BY MICHAEL O'KEEFFE

This week's special edition of HBO's Real Sports should be mandatory viewing for sports fans who are planning on watching the Final Four this weekend.

The two segments that anchor the show don't break any new ground, but they do provide a deep look into the hypocrisy and corruption that permeate college sports.

The first segment, "The Money Trail," explores how college football and basketball programs rake in millions of dollars a year, enriching coaches and administrators, while the players get stiffed. The most interesting news from the segment comes from Rigo Nunez, a former UMass basketball forward who says many of the nation's top players planned a protest in 1995.

"At one point it was pretty organized among players that maybe the biggest impact that we can have, and the biggest opportunities for us to have a stand, will be prior to the NCAA tournament," Nunez told correspondent Bernard Goldberg.

"Well, how was that gonna happen?" Goldberg asked.

"We were not gonna play," Nunez said.

"What?"

"We were just gonna go to the middle of the court and sit down. Every game, in the whole country."

"Because you weren't getting paid?" Goldberg said.

"Because it was not fair to us," Nunez replied.

The second segment focuses on "the money handshake" - the illicit payoffs talented players received to attend and stay at college sports factories. Stanley McClover, a former Auburn defensive end, talks about how he received not just cash but sexual services during a recruiting visit to Ohio State.

Players also cashed in by selling sports memorabilia and tickets.

"The NCAA has to be deaf, dumb and blind not to know what's going on," said longtime college basketball coach Tom Penders.
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« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 09:10:50 PM »
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http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/ex-auburn-players-claim-systematic-pay-to-play-29592

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HBO Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel premieres an hour-long special on the business and ethics of college sports on Wednesday. The first airing is at 10p ET on HBO.

(Spoiler alert!)
I have obtained an advance copy of the show and have transcribed excerpts of a portion of the Andrea Kremer-hosted “Pay to Play” segment of the show below.
The segment contains explosive claims from former Auburn players Chaz Ramsey, Troy Reddick, Stanley McClover and Raven Gray.
On McClover’s recruitment:
Kremer voiceover: “McLover said it wasn’t until he attended an all-star camp at Louisiana State University that he realized how the game is played. A game of money and influence.”
McClover: “Somebody came to me, I don’t even know this person and he was like, ‘we would love for you to come to LSU and he gave me a handshake and it had five hundred dollars in there. … that’s called a money handshake … I grabbed it and I’m like, ‘wow,’ hell I thought ten dollars was a lot of money back then. Five hundred dollars for doing nothing but what I was blessed to do. I was happy.”
Kremer to McClover: “What did you say to the guy when he hands you five hundred dollars?”
McClover: “Thank you and I’m seriously thinking about coming to LSU.”
Kremer voiceover: “But McClover says there were money handshakes from boosters at other football camps too. At Auburn for a couple hundred dollars and at Michigan State. All the schools denied any wrongdoing. And things really started heating up a few months later when he went to Ohio State for an official visit where schools get a chance for one weekend to host prospective athletes. McClover says there were money handshakes from alumni there too. About a thousand dollars. And something else to entice him.”
McClover: “They send girls my way. I partied. When I got there I met up with a couple guys from the team. We went to a party and they asked me to pick any girl I wanted.”
Kremer: “Did she offer sexual services?“
McClover: “Yes.”
Kremer: “Did you take them?”
McClover: “Yes.”
Kremer: “McClover committed to Ohio State right after that weekend. The recruiter at Ohio State who says he dealt with McClover that weekend denied the school was involved in any wrongdoing.”
On what caused McClover to sign with Auburn over Ohio State:
Kremer voiceover: “McClover says what he asked for was money. A lot of it. And that he got it. Delivered in a bookbag, exact amount unknown.”
Kremer to McClover: “You opened it up, what are you thinking?”
McClover: “I almost passed out. I literally almost passed out I couldn’t believe it was true. I felt like I owed them.”
Kremer to McClover: “You felt obligated to them (Auburn)?”
McClover: “I felt totally obligated.”
Kremer to McClover: “Because of the money?”
McClover: “Yeah.”
Troy Reddick talks about his recruitment by Auburn
Reddick: “I was contacted by a local alumni (of Auburn) and offered a large sum of money.
Kremer: “What are you thinking?”
Reddick: “That people are trying to take advantage of me. And I can’t give anybody any kind of power over me.”
Kremer voiceover: “He (Reddick) says he didn’t take the handout. …
Reddick on why he was unhappy at Auburn - and the remedy for that unhappiness
Kremer voiceover: “Reddick was growing increasingly unhappy because he says the (Auburn) coaches wanted him to change his major. Why? Because his class schedule got in the way of football practice.”
Reddick: “I changed my major, so my classes didn’t interfere no more but I didn’t bother to go because I knew I was only there to play football.”
Kremer: “So what did you do?”
Reddick: “I started complaining and insinuating that I was ready to leave any day. They had to do something about that.”
Kremer voiceover: “The enticement to stay, Reddick says, became clear to him, when one of the coaches approached him after a team meeting.”
Reddick: “He (Auburn coach) said I got some mail for you up in my office.”
Kremer to Reddick: “Some mail for you?”
Reddick: “And I followed him up to his office and he gave me an envelope. I didn’t open there, I walked out to my truck, took off. … It was about 500 dollars.”
Kremer: “500 dollars in the envelope?”
Reddick: (nods yes)
Kremer: “How often did you get the money in the envelope?”
Reddick: “Over that season it happened like two or three more times. And it happened about six or seven times my senior year.”
Kremer: “So where do you think the money came from?”
Reddick: “I think that worry got back to alumni from my hometown.  Or it may have been the coaches or the staff but everybody knew I didn’t want to be there.”
On McClover being paid $4,000 for his performance in the Iron Bowl:
Kremer voiceover: “Stanley McClover says he was also paid while at school (Auburn). Paid by boosters. Like the time he had his eye on this 1973 Chevy Impala.”
McClover: “Private owner wanted seven thousand in cash so I went to my booster who I knew and he gave me the money the next day in a bookbag.”
Kremer voiceover: “McClover says eventually he didn’t have to ask for money, as long as he played well, he’d get paid.”
Kremer to McClover: “How much was a sack worth?”
McClover: “Anywhere between 300 and 400 dollars. For one.”
Kremer to McClover: “I think in one game you had four sacks, what did you earn in that game?”
McClover: “Four thousand. Against Alabama.”
Kremer: “Seriously?”
McClover: “Alabama, a rivalry game.”
Kremer: “More money because it’s Alabama?”
McClover: “Definitely. No other game matters.”
Chaz Ramsey and Raven Gray are interviewed at same time together
Kremer voiceover: “Chaz Ramsey played for a year (for Auburn) in 2007, and says he too received money handshakes after games.”
Ramsey: “You walk out and all the fans are waiting for you to sign autographs and everything and some random guy just walks up to you and shakes your hand and there’s a wad full of money.”
Kremer: “How much are we talking about?”
Ramsey: “300 or 400 dollars a game.”
Kremer voiceover: “Raven Gray was a top (Auburn) recruit in 2007, he says people affiliated with Auburn would visit him at his junior college and press the flesh there too.”
Kremer to Gray: “How much do you think you got?”
Gray: “Twenty five-hundred to three thousand dollars. Loyalty is the key. This man give me money I’m going to be loyal to him and go to Auburn.”
Kremer voiceover: “And he did go to Auburn but got injured before he ever played a game.”
On Ramsey’s motivation for coming forward
Kremer: “You have an axe to grind?” (Ramsey had a medical claim lawsuit against Auburn recently thrown out.)
Ramsey: “I’m not out to get anybody, I want high school athletes to know what they’re getting into. This is what college football is really about it, it’s a business.”
Ramsey and Reddick on selling items made available to Auburn players by the school:
Ramsey: “I would sell tickets all the time, Iron Bowl you can make a thousand dollars a ticket.”
Kremer: “How much money did that get you during your time at Auburn?”
Ramsey: “Five-six thousand dollars probably.”
Reddick: “I sold my SEC Championship watch right off the stage as we were celebrating in Toomer’s Corner.”
Kremer: “Why did you sell it?”
Reddick: “Because it was useless to me. I had to sell all my championship rings to help my sister not go into debt as her house was about to be foreclosed on.”
I will have more on the HBO Real Sports special as I continue to screen the remainder of the show.
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Re: More Info On the HBO Real Sports Thing...
« Reply #2 on: March 29, 2011, 09:41:58 PM »
True or not.......holy fuck.
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« Reply #3 on: March 29, 2011, 10:10:21 PM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 29, 2011, 10:13:44 PM »
Rage and Anger....
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2011, 11:00:54 PM »
If any of you have been behind the stadium when the players come out?  You know the "handshake" allegations are utter bullshit.   

Impossible to happen in that environment.  Absolutely impossible for that to go on and not be noticed. 

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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2011, 11:03:20 PM »
I've got an uncle by marriage who played QB at Sweetwater High School back in the '80's when they won their first state title.  He said he got $100 handshakes after that game and nobody was recruiting him.

By the way, Sweetwater is one of the poorer "cities" in the state.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2011, 11:13:26 PM »
If any of you have been behind the stadium when the players come out?  You know the "handshake" allegations are utter bullshit.   

Impossible to happen in that environment.  Absolutely impossible for that to go on and not be noticed.

McClover I'm not surprised by. I expected better of Reddick and Ramsay. Maybe they are just jumping on the gravy train. Maybe Ramsay is still harboring some bad thoughts of the previous staff with his back ordeal. Who knows. It does sound like a load of crap though. But either way, its damaging - true or not.

And it fucking sucks that this will be on HBO. After it airs every Finebaum and Cowherd will be crowing about this until next year. And no one will know the difference between "alleged" and "fact". Perception is all that will matter. Again - fucking sucks.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2011, 11:20:16 PM »
This shit has to stop. 
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2011, 11:22:00 PM »
McClover I'm not surprised by. I expected better of Reddick and Ramsay. Maybe they are just jumping on the gravy train. Maybe Ramsay is still harboring some bad thoughts of the previous staff with his back ordeal. Who knows. It does sound like a load of crap though. But either way, its damaging - true or not.

And it fucking sucks that this will be on HBO. After it airs every Finebaum and Cowherd will be crowing about this until next year. And no one will know the difference between "alleged" and "fact". Perception is all that will matter. Again - fucking sucks.

Doesn't matter what Finebaum and Cowherd say.  The problem is that when this shit gets put out like this, the NCAA can't look away.  They will do something, right or not, truth or lies.  Can't run the risk of looking like they don't have a dick. 


It's the same motherfucking story as always.  Find a disgruntled former player, let the other side pay him off and he'll say any damn thing.  The fuckers found four.   Four who thought they'd play in the NFL but busted out -- all for reasons of their own doing.  But that's Auburn's ffault. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 12:18:13 AM »
Were getting torched on Twitter, it's only going to get worse once this hit piece airs Wednesday.
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« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 12:22:22 AM »
We need more refutation from those who denounced McClover previously.  Was it Rosegreen, Obomanu and Stanley's HS coach?

Some other, more high profile, players would be nice as well.
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« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2011, 12:37:21 AM »
Fuck twitter.
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« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2011, 12:37:53 AM »
I'm neither surprised nor care that this happens. No way to stop it.
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2011, 06:07:42 AM »
So, McClover's story goes from getting paid at his HS by a couple Auburn coaches, while they made his Veteran HS HC stand outside his own office...to I gots paid $300-$400 for sacks (3-4k against bama), $500 handshakes all of the time, 7k for a '73 Impala, a bookbag full of cash...enough to make me go "wow", I got to pick out any whore I wanted?  LMAO.

HBO:"Stanley, here's a DVD of the movie Blue Chips, it's about Basketball but pretend that it's about football and then throw in a few teams that were recruiting you...make sure you put Auburn's name in there A LOT.  We'll contact you in a week or so to get your story, you know since that whole getting paid at your HS went into the toilet.  Talk to you soon."
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« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2011, 06:36:05 AM »
Doesn't matter what Finebaum and Cowherd say.  The problem is that when this shit gets put out like this, the NCAA can't look away.  They will do something, right or not, truth or lies.  Can't run the risk of looking like they don't have a dick. 


It's the same motherfucking story as always.  Find a disgruntled former player, let the other side pay him off and he'll say any damn thing.  The fuckers found four.   Four who thought they'd play in the NFL but busted out -- all for reasons of their own doing.  But that's Auburn's ffault.

Yeah, looks bad.  Amazing they have allegations about tOSU, LSU, and Auburn there.  Couldn't find any from other schools?   I guess bammer is squeaky clean, or they keep their players happy when they put them out on Medical Scholarships.

I'm certain the NCAA will look, but there will have to be some proof, not just a disgruntled player saying "I got cash after a game."
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« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2011, 06:45:50 AM »
What about the slush funds?  Lowder, Colonial, McGregor and prepaid atm and bingo cards?  Nope, all cash allegations in small, untraceable amounts from multiple sources.   By the way, I have no doubt there's a percentage of dumbass boosters that get a nut giving a "hunnerd dollah handshake". 

I like how Reddick tries to act all high and mighty about the offer, but took the money anyway. 

Ramsay, he has no grudge...his lawsuit just got dismissed. 

Fuck this shit, we got to keep these fuckers happier. 
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« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2011, 06:53:46 AM »
What about the slush funds?  Lowder, Colonial, McGregor and prepaid atm and bingo cards?  Nope, all cash allegations in small, untraceable amounts from multiple sources.   By the way, I have no doubt there's a percentage of dumbass boosters that get a nut giving a "hunnerd dollah handshake". 

I like how Reddick tries to act all high and mighty about the offer, but took the money anyway. 

Ramsay, he has no grudge...his lawsuit just got dismissed. 

Fuck this shit, we got to keep these fuckers happier. 
It'll be funny, sort of, that after this HBO thing goes "as planned, regardless of facts" to see that whole colonial-lowder-slushfundgate go to away....for a little while.  Well atleast until the HBSO dies down.
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« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2011, 07:14:12 AM »
It'll be funny, sort of, that after this HBO thing goes "as planned, regardless of facts" to see that whole colonial-lowder-slushfundgate go to away....for a little while.  Well atleast until the HBSO dies down.

You forget, evidence isn't needed...all this cash WILL BE from the slush fund.  Shane will make sure you hear that "fact" every day for the next year. 
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