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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2011, 11:20:18 AM »
I am curious to know how many people here will actually go get them a fast food burger meal and get diet coke to drink. Hell, I've probably even done that, I just find it humorous when I think about it.

I NEVER drink diet. If I want a diet drink, its called water. And it is cheap.
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2011, 11:22:43 AM »
I am curious to know how many people here will actually go get them a fast food burger meal and get diet coke to drink. Hell, I've probably even done that, I just find it humorous when I think about it.

Um... me?    I have truly come to prefer the taste of Diet Dr. Pepper - it's not as sweet.  Not to mention that a large regular Dr. Pepepr from Sonic has 350 calories, and ditching 350 completely useless sugar calories I would otherwise ingest is not a bad thing.  I don't think like some folks that the diet drink "cancels out" the bacon double cheeseburger, but 350 calories is still a significant number.  No sense piling on, right?

That is the only diet drink I will touch tho - Diet Coke is NASTY.  Diet 7-Up is okay in a pinch, like in an adult beverage.  Diet Mountain Dew will give you the trots.
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2011, 11:29:35 AM »
I NEVER drink diet. If I want a diet drink, its called water. And it is cheap.
Thiggidy this.

I hear wild stories of "If you just start drinking them, you'll prefer them".

Bullshit.

Un-possible.

If I want a flavored drink, I want a flavored drink. A sweet flavored drink. Sacharin tastes like arificial synthetic asshole.

I'm the kind that will never complain that the tea is too sweet. Ever.
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2011, 11:31:48 AM »
Um... me?    I have truly come to prefer the taste of Diet Dr. Pepper - it's not as sweet.  Not to mention that a large regular Dr. Pepepr from Sonic has 350 calories, and ditching 350 completely useless sugar calories I would otherwise ingest is not a bad thing.  I don't think like some folks that the diet drink "cancels out" the bacon double cheeseburger, but 350 calories is still a significant number.  No sense piling on, right?

That is the only diet drink I will touch tho - Diet Coke is NASTY.  Diet 7-Up is okay in a pinch, like in an adult beverage.  Diet Mountain Dew will give you the trots.

Yeah, I have got to the point where the regular drinks are too sweet. I can thank my wife for that. I use to slam a Mountain Dew every morning, caffeine primarily. Now, well its Diet Dew. As for the fast burgers, well, I have got to the point where those tear the shit out of my stomach, literally. I usually I need a reminder why I can't eat like that anymore though.
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #24 on: January 27, 2011, 11:34:38 AM »
Thiggidy this.

I hear wild stories of "If you just start drinking them, you'll prefer them".

Bullshit.

Un-possible.

If I want a flavored drink, I want a flavored drink. A sweet flavored drink. Sacharin tastes like arificial synthetic asshole.

I'm the kind that will never complain that the tea is too sweet. Ever.

Your body will change my man, trust me. As for water, I like it but tea I LOVE. Tea is freakin AUsome, especially ice tea in the hot ass summer.
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« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2011, 11:35:54 AM »
Buzz found some kind of Iced Tea flavored booze in Auburn this past weekend but I convinced him Jose was our friend...
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« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2011, 11:42:53 AM »
Buzz found some kind of Iced Tea flavored booze in Auburn this past weekend but I convinced him Jose was our friend...

and I thank you for it.  The Buzzarita will become a staple for future X events.
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« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2011, 11:43:33 AM »
Buzz found some kind of Iced Tea flavored booze in Auburn this past weekend but I convinced him Jose was our friend...
This?
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« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2011, 11:46:14 AM »
This?


No, it wasn't a Jack Daniels product.  The chick behind me in line tried to talk me into it...anyone that knows me knows that a woman can pretty much talk me in to anything.  Luckily Wench talked to me last...
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« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2011, 11:48:40 AM »
I am curious to know how many people here will actually go get them a fast food burger meal and get diet coke to drink. Hell, I've probably even done that, I just find it humorous when I think about it.

I do it all the time.  I was creeping up on the 250 range and the dr said my blood sugar was getting too high.  Switched off the sugar sodas, sweet tea, and fruit juice and dropped 10lbs and didn't have to go on meds for my sugar.  And yes, I would rather drink water, diet cokes, and unsweet tea than take pills the rest of my life.

Incidentally, a coke has 27g sugar per 8oz, OJ has around 22g per 8oz, apple juice has close to 28g per 8oz.  Check out the labels before you drink something you think is healthy.  Milk also has a lot of sugar.
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2011, 12:31:08 PM »
and I thank you for it.  The Buzzarita will become a staple for future X events.

Oh, it gave me a Buzz all right.  Damn.  I forgot how badly gold tequila can hurt my head the next day.  Thank the Lord for BC powders.

No, it wasn't a Jack Daniels product.  The chick behind me in line tried to talk me into it...anyone that knows me knows that a woman can pretty much talk me in to anything.  Luckily Wench talked to me last...

If that is true, then other than the choice of alcohol, apparently I did not find the right topic of conversation... ;)

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« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2011, 12:32:28 PM »
If that is true, then other than the choice of alcohol, apparently I did not find the right topic of conversation... ;)

Live and learn.
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« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2011, 01:35:21 PM »
I do it all the time.  I was creeping up on the 250 range and the dr said my blood sugar was getting too high.  Switched off the sugar sodas, sweet tea, and fruit juice and dropped 10lbs and didn't have to go on meds for my sugar.  And yes, I would rather drink water, diet cokes, and unsweet tea than take pills the rest of my life.

Incidentally, a coke has 27g sugar per 8oz, OJ has around 22g per 8oz, apple juice has close to 28g per 8oz.  Check out the labels before you drink something you think is healthy.  Milk also has a lot of sugar.

Sort of right. Not all sugar is equal. The sugar in your soda? Not sugar at all as we know it. Try corn syrup. The further away sugar is from its pure form the worse it is for you. Corn syrup is used in almost everything now because its cheaper and subsidized. Hence the ethanol craze out of the Midwest. Milk and fruit juice have natural, simple sugars, which won't stick to your belly as easily. Listen when you hear the terms "processed food" and  "refined sugar". They actually mean something.
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« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2011, 01:44:38 PM »
Yea, I was kind of in the same boat.  Creeping up to 250 and the saw bones wanted me to go on cholesterol medicine.  Told him to hug a root.  I was not getting married to a medication if I could help it. Take omega 3 everyday and run three miles 3 - 4 time a week.  Back down to 220. When it warms back up I'm gonna drop another 10 and call it good.
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« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2011, 01:51:27 PM »
Sort of right. Not all sugar is equal. The sugar in your soda? Not sugar at all as we know it. Try corn syrup. The further away sugar is from its pure form the worse it is for you. Corn syrup is used in almost everything now because its cheaper and subsidized. Hence the ethanol craze out of the Midwest. Milk and fruit juice have natural, simple sugars, which won't stick to your belly as easily. Listen when you hear the terms "processed food" and  "refined sugar". They actually mean something.

The corn syrup that everyone has fits over is "high fructose corn syrup" which has had its glucose converted to fructose, the same sugar that is in fruit juice naturally.  Fructose is fructose whether it has been processed from glucose or naturally occurring from the fruit.  Chemically it is identical.

http://www.hookedonjuice.com/

Now milk sugar is lactose, which some people can't process at all (lactose intolerant).  But it is only about half the amount of carbohydrates per 8oz serving as juice or soda.  But still, who only drinks out of 8 oz glasses.

Glucose, fructose, lactose, and maltose are all sugars and all affect your body similarly in the short term.  Fructose based beverages have been shown to negatively affect your liver and response to insulin more than the other forms.  Those include the fruit juice drinks as well.  Fructose is used more than the other forms of sugar because it is cheaper than sucrose (table sugar) and glucose, maltose, and lactose just don't taste very sweet.
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2011, 02:14:13 PM »
The corn syrup that everyone has fits over is "high fructose corn syrup" which has had its glucose converted to fructose, the same sugar that is in fruit juice naturally.  Fructose is fructose whether it has been processed from glucose or naturally occurring from the fruit.  Chemically it is identical.

http://www.hookedonjuice.com/

Now milk sugar is lactose, which some people can't process at all (lactose intolerant).  But it is only about half the amount of carbohydrates per 8oz serving as juice or soda.  But still, who only drinks out of 8 oz glasses.

Glucose, fructose, lactose, and maltose are all sugars and all affect your body similarly in the short term.  Fructose based beverages have been shown to negatively affect your liver and response to insulin more than the other forms.  Those include the fruit juice drinks as well.  Fructose is used more than the other forms of sugar because it is cheaper than sucrose (table sugar) and glucose, maltose, and lactose just don't taste very sweet.

Actually no its not the same.

For one, its processed. While it may LOOK the same on paper, your body knows the difference and digests it differently.

Evidence in trends since the 70s also proves otherwise. There's a distinct parallel between obesity and diabetes AND the advent of hfcs.

It also doesn't illicit an insulin response from your body which tells us to stop eating or drinking that beverage full of sugar. This is huge. People overindulge not even knowing.

FYI...although its not my job, I'm actually a nutritionist. I don't eat perfect and I like treats in moderation, but generally try to eat healthy stuff.....Like beer.  :thumsup:
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2011, 02:40:09 PM »
No, it wasn't a Jack Daniels product.  The chick behind me in line tried to talk me into it...anyone that knows me knows that a woman can pretty much talk me in to anything.  Luckily Wench talked to me last...

Probably Jeremiah Weed or Firefly.
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« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2011, 02:46:32 PM »
Probably Jeremiah Weed or Firefly.

Now that you said it, it is coming back...it was Firefly.
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« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2011, 02:52:56 PM »
Yea, I was kind of in the same boat.  Creeping up to 250 and the saw bones wanted me to go on cholesterol medicine.  Told him to hug a root.  I was not getting married to a medication if I could help it. Take omega 3 everyday and run three miles 3 - 4 time a week.  Back down to 220. When it warms back up I'm gonna drop another 10 and call it good.

That cold weather is a bitch on the knees, especially when running.

(no pun intended)
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Re: Fatty McFatterson
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2011, 02:53:01 PM »
Actually no its not the same.

For one, its processed. While it may LOOK the same on paper, your body knows the difference and digests it differently.

Evidence in trends since the 70s also proves otherwise. There's a distinct parallel between obesity and diabetes AND the advent of hfcs.

It also doesn't illicit an insulin response from your body which tells us to stop eating or drinking that beverage full of sugar. This is huge. People overindulge not even knowing.

FYI...although its not my job, I'm actually a nutritionist. I don't eat perfect and I like treats in moderation, but generally try to eat healthy stuff.....Like beer.  :thumsup:

Well that's what I said in my post.

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Fructose based beverages have been shown to negatively affect your liver and response to insulin more than the other forms.

We switched to HFCS sodas (I guess like you said in the '70's) from sucrose sweetened beverages causing a rise in type 2 diabetes (like you said in your post), aka resistance to insulin (like I said in my post).  But I still believe that the fact of the increase in type 2 was due to an overall increase in fructose consumption, not the fact that the fructose we are consuming was glucose at one point.

But speaking of beer and sugar, one of my favorite beer styles is Sweet Stout (aka Milk Stout).  It is a stout that was brewed with the addition of lactose (milk sugar that is unfermentable) to the brew making a rich, sweet dark beer.  My favorite was discontinued a couple of years ago.

http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/9/19
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