Finebaum 11/11/10

[Greaseyweasel]

The story will get straighter with the Feds holding prison time over peoples heads now. If there were some lawyers on this forum they could probably explain how the Fed investigates and punishes versus when the NCAA investigates and punishes.

[JR4AU]

I still don't see why people are NOW uneasy. If you were going to run with a story, why continuously change it? That is what is happening here. This is the same allegation, with a different twist. There is nothing new here. Why is everyone worried about this bullshit?

I agree, except.  The NCAA isn't a criminal court.  And the FBI can find probable cause in corroborating statements. 

2 issues here, separate.  One is Cam's eligibility, and the second is whether Auburn paid. 

I don't think Auburn was stupid enough to have paid money knowing the SEC and NCAA were already involved because of the MSU report.  But, the NCAA could declare Cam ineligible based on corroborating statements. 

[War Eagle!!!]

I agree, except.  The NCAA isn't a criminal court.  And the FBI can find probable cause in corroborating statements. 

2 issues here, separate.  One is Cam's eligibility, and the second is whether Auburn paid. 

I don't think Auburn was stupid enough to have paid money knowing the SEC and NCAA were already involved because of the MSU report.  But, the NCAA could declare Cam ineligible based on corroborating statements.

What has given you ANY indication that Auburn may have paid? Hell, Rogers himself says that after the meeting with MSU that he didn't talk to Cecil. Also, he said he had no dealings with Auburn. You think that now Cecil went directly to Auburn? Why? Where has this even been insinuated?

[JR4AU]

What has given you ANY indication that Auburn may have paid? Hell, Rogers himself says that after the meeting with MSU that he didn't talk to Cecil. Also, he said he had no dealings with Auburn. You think that now Cecil went directly to Auburn? Why? Where has this even been insinuated?

Re read...no inclination...was making a statement "IF, by some stretch, it ever came out...". 

I firmly believe Auburn is in the clear regardless of Cam's status.

[The Prowler]

The story will get straighter with the Feds holding prison time over peoples heads now. If there were some lawyers on this forum they could probably explain how the Fed investigates and punishes versus when the NCAA investigates and punishes.

There's no difference...they have an NCAA prison.  It's called being a bammer, you should know.

[djsimp]

Can anyone verify that Bond saying "Auburn is in the clear" on Finebaum; also in the Jackson Clarion-Ledger Bond was quoted this: "This has nothing to do with Auburn. Absolutely nothing to do with Auburn."

[djsimp]

John Bond, Kenny Rogers, Jody Wright and Bill Bell (of which I think chickened out thats why he is in Costa Rica); the evil conspirators. Just my opinion. Bond and Rogers are the only two individuals that have been in the media. Rogers mentions Bell, being the first time, as the one having this so called tape. Another side to this though, is Rogers has caught wind of this tape business and just using it to blanket himself. Bond has been in the news in Miss. as of tonight saying this has nothing to do with Auburn, only today as anyone actually implicated Auburn and that was Rogers.

Then there is the idea of Bond and Bell being boosters, and Rogers the "agent" got themselves in some shit; Cecil having audio of these guys offering money. Both coaching staffs working with the NCAA with MSU putting distance with themselves and these boosters.

Jody Wright, he is the guy I keep hearing as the guy that gave the info on the academic stuff. If I am correct, he is currently an assistant at bama. Although he is an assistant there, I do not think bama is behind this.

Then there is the bad part, Cecil may have known and was a part of this. If Cam knew nothing, Auburn could possibly have to vacate some wins or Cam lose eligibility. The one thing that is a positive is that the consensus says NCAA has known all of this and yet has not deemed Cam ineligible. This is what was told to us to pay attention in the very beginning. Somewhere in here it seems that MSU was the possible victim of bribery and used the Newtons as the cash prize.

[JR4AU]

Can anyone verify that Bond saying "Auburn is in the clear" on Finebaum; also in the Jackson Clarion-Ledger Bond was quoted this: "This has nothing to do with Auburn. Absolutely nothing to do with Auburn."

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2010/11/cam_newton_update_john_bond_sa.html

[The Prowler]

Parent of former MSU player that used Kenny to help her son pick a school after being kicked out of UF...

Kenny is very persuasive. That man is just sleazy. He's no good. He's not a truthful person. He is not to be trusted."

[djsimp]

What do you lawyers think of this?
http://madvertiserblogs.com/HABOTN/

Attorney adds perspective to how Rogers’ claims could impact Auburn
Posted on November 11, 2010 by ">Jay G. Tate 
Josh Moon, fierce ally of the HABOTN, recently spoke with Montgomery attorney Donald Jackson.

Jackson specializes in NCAA issues.

Here’s what he had to say about what’s happening:

On if solicitation of improper benefits is a violation in and of itself: “I don’t agree with that at all because it creates a ton of problems. How do you legislate every time a kid or someone representing a kid asks for an improper benefit? It happens every day, all the time. It doesn’t always rise to this level, but it’s still a solicitation for an improper benefit. Asking for something for free — clothing or food or what have you — is a solicitation as well. Are you going to penalize schools and players and for every one of those instances?”

“I can’t think of a single case in which the NCAA has even attempted to penalize a school or individual for solicitation of an extra benefit. The solicitation and the circumstances surrounding it are often used as circumstantial evidence to prove that a violation involving extra benefits occurred — but not the solicitation itself.”

On if he would advise Auburn to sit Newton*: “No, because it’s obvious that this stuff was known by the NCAA and the SEC, and at some point, those two made a determination about Kenny Rogers’ credibility. Because they cleared Cam Newton to play. Believe me, kids have been sat down by the NCAA for a whole lot less than what was alleged here. So, I don’t have a doubt that at some point they came to a decision regarding Rogers and they informed Auburn of that decision.”

* — Jackson is not involved with this case.

[Tiger Wench]

HABOTN???  Is that anything like the EOTTDKWSCTTD Club?

[djsimp]

HABOTN???  Is that anything like the EOTTDKWSCTTD Club?

Just another media/forum deal attached to the Mont. Advertiser.

[djsimp]

Will Collier? Who the hell is that. Apparently the Scout and Rivals board are blowing the fuck up about something coming out tomorrow. It seems that this guy is an Auburn guy and he posted this:

"They have taken their best shot and it is a misfire.  Starting tomorrow, it's our turn.  And all hell is coming with us!"

What that means, hell if I know but it seems to have some people stirred up in a good way for Auburn.

I think this is what the stink is about:
http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1151578

[Townhallsavoy]

So now the smear campaign against Kenny Rogers has begun.

I can dig it.

[The Prowler]

It means....."You tell 'em I'm coming and I'm bringing hell with me ya hear...I'M BRINGIN' HELL WITH ME!!!!!"