More Bull or The Real Thing?

Townhallsavoy · « **on:** November 09, 2010, 11:20:57 PM »

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Two sources who recruit for Mississippi State said that Cecil Newton and his son, quarterback Cam Newton, admitted in separate phone conversations to a pay-for-play plan while Newton was being recruited late last year.

Mississippi State compliance officials relayed the alleged conversations to Southeastern Conference compliance officials in January, according to two other sources close to the football program.

Prior to Newton's commitment to Auburn, one of the recruiters said Cecil Newton told him it would take "more than a scholarship" to bring his son to Mississippi State, a request the source said the school would not meet. Cecil Newton also referred the recruiter to a third person that would provide more specifics, the source said.

After Newton committed to Auburn, another source said an emotional Cam Newton phoned another recruiter to express regret about his change of commitment from Mississippi State, stating that his father Cecil had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much."

The NCAA is investigating allegations surrounding the Newtons in regards to the recruiting process. Cam Newton, who is having a Heisman-caliber season for No. 2 Auburn, declined comment.

From Joe Schad on ESPN.com

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #1 on:** November 09, 2010, 11:23:21 PM »

I'm not so much worried about this.

If it's true that Mullen is pushing this shit, then it would make sense for Miss State "sources" to claim that the Newtons were looking for money.

I really wish all of this would go away.

One way or the other. Either come out and end this dream season by making Cam ineligible, or come out and say "Shut the fuck up. It's over. Cam is eligible end of story."

djsimp · « **Reply #2 on:** November 09, 2010, 11:25:57 PM »

http://espn.go.com/blog/sportscenter/post/_/id/91502/new-cam-newton-allegations

This shit was on ESPN Radio as well.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #3 on:** November 09, 2010, 11:33:01 PM »

This has spun out of control.

I can't even begin to describe how stressed out I am over this stupid debacle.

The NCAA needs to do something now. Right now.

This shit was reported in January, yet are we to believe that the NCAA hasn't said one word about Cam's eligibility? Auburn claims Cam was cleared. No problem. He's been playing.

But now ESPN (and the rest of the sports world) is trying their damndest to make everyone think that Cam is this shady character who is bent on taking money from these innocent schools and big bad ole Auburn decided to take him up on it.

The amount of stories being published in less than a week is absurd. The NCAA really needs to get a handle on this because this entire season is now being shaped by a story that is backed by unnamed sources.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #4 on:** November 09, 2010, 11:39:54 PM »

AAANNNNDDDD FURTHERMORE

Are we really to believe that after Cam Newton asked for an exorbitant amount of money from Mississippi State and was turned down, that Miss State immediately stopped recruiting him and sent the illegal recruiting activities directly to NCAA compliance?

AND THEN Cam Newton was stupid enough to call Miss State and say, "Hey, I know you guys won't have anything to do with illegal recruiting and dealing out money for players, but I just wanted to apologize for committing to Auburn. The money was just too much."

I mean are we really to believe that's how stupid Cam Newton is? Have you seen this guy talk to reporters? He's a bright kid. I doubt he called Miss State up and emotionally said, "Auburn paid me to play. I'm sorry. I have to go there. Boo hoo."

Jesus fucking Christ I need a glass of bourbon and good night's sleep. This shit is ridiculous.

The Prowler · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2010, 12:37:13 AM »

Again...all of this was reported to the SEC AND the NCAA back in Jan. Auburn also knew about it, in Jan. If there was any.....ANY credibility to these acusations, we wouldn't be saying Cam for Heisman right now. We would be talking about Barrett Trotter for Heisman. End of story.

Come Honor Face · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2010, 12:44:13 AM »

So this shit has the fucking FBI involved now?

WTF over

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/09/fbi-sniffing-around-cam-newton-situation/

The Prowler · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2010, 12:53:43 AM »

Quote from: Come Honor Face on November 10, 2010, 12:44:13 AM

So this shit has the fucking FBI involved now?

WTF over

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/11/09/fbi-sniffing-around-cam-newton-situation/

Welcome to 2 hours ago, lol.

Come Honor Face · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2010, 12:55:42 AM »

my bad

RWS · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2010, 06:19:22 AM »

Quote from: The Prowler on November 10, 2010, 12:37:13 AM

Again...all of this was reported to the SEC AND the NCAA back in Jan. Auburn also knew about it, in Jan. If there was any.....ANY credibility to these acusations, we wouldn't be saying Cam for Heisman right now. We would be talking about Barrett Trotter for Heisman. End of story.

I think the only thing that would worry me is that it's 11 months later and the NCAA hasn't put a big "BULLSHIT!" stamp on this whole thing. Why isn't this whole thing done and over with? The good side to that is if all of this is total bullshit (most likely scenario), the NCAA will be able to tell the world how thoroughly it was investigated, and have plenty of proof that Cam and his family are innocent.

Townhallsavoy · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2010, 07:17:55 AM »

Quote from: RWS on November 10, 2010, 06:19:22 AM

I think the only thing that would worry me is that it's 11 months later and the NCAA hasn't put a big "BULLSHIT!" stamp on this whole thing. Why isn't this whole thing done and over with? The good side to that is if all of this is total bullshit (most likely scenario), the NCAA will be able to tell the world how thoroughly it was investigated, and have plenty of proof that Cam and his family are innocent.

Because it's the NCAA.

It took 5 years to finish the Reggie Bush case which was pretty cut and dry.

They always make sure they dot their t's and cross their i's. Know what I'm saying?

RWS · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2010, 07:31:57 AM »

Quote from: Townhallsavoy on November 10, 2010, 07:17:55 AM

Because it's the NCAA.

It took 5 years to finish the Reggie Bush case which was pretty cut and dry.

They always make sure they dot their t's and cross their i's. Know what I'm saying?

True, but look at the final outcome of that case. And I know alot of people are saying "Well, if AU is playing Cam, he must be innocent." But, if he isn't, AU will be pretty fucked anyway, so I don't see what vacating some wins will matter.

I honestly hope all of this isn't true. I thought this would have gone away by now, but it seems to be getting deeper and deeper every day. Given our past issues with the NCAA, it would be nice for misery to have a little company, sure. But it's not like I hate AU and/or it's fans, so I would really hate to see something like this happen to the actual fans.

JR4AU · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2010, 07:39:54 AM »

IF the SEC knew about this in Jan...and it appears to say they did...then once again, Auburn is in the clear, or the SEC allowed Auburn to recruit, sign, and play a player that they knew to be ineligible to play. I want to see the substance of these recorded calls.

Saniflush · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2010, 07:41:42 AM »

Quote from: JR4AU on November 10, 2010, 07:39:54 AM

IF the SEC knew about this in Jan...and it appears to say they did...then once again, Auburn is in the clear, or the SEC allowed Auburn to recruit, sign, and play a player that they knew to be ineligible to play. I want to see the substance of these recorded calls.

They would release the tapes but they are keeping it down home cuz.

Jumbo · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2010, 08:44:17 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on November 10, 2010, 07:41:42 AM

They would release the tapes but they are keeping it down home cuz.

Just keep it down home.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #15 on:** November 10, 2010, 09:27:31 AM »

Quote from: Saniflush on November 10, 2010, 07:41:42 AM

They would release the tapes but they are keeping it down home cuz.

I thought it was taped at the end of one of Mullens' mix tapes?

djsimp · « **Reply #16 on:** November 10, 2010, 10:05:49 AM »

For you lawyers, let me ask you a question. If anyone, including MSU officials, recorded a phone conversation (wire tap) without the other persons consent or without a Judge order, is this not a Federal offense? If it was a Judge order, then wouldn't this have had law enforcement involved in this? If that is the case, MSU would not have been able to withhold these tapes. They shouldn't been able to anyway if they had really turned over everything to the SEC and NCAA back in January. This would be an NCAA violation. If there were tapes, then no way in hell would the SEC or Auburn let Cam play. If there was consent on recording the conversation, no way in hell would the Newtons have said these things. Also, I thought only coaches could recruit players. The latest bs implicates that MSU was letting someone outside the coaching staff do recruiting. Sounds like another NCAA violation.

This shit needs to end, fast. Either Auburn is in deep shit or MSU is. In my opinion, it sounds like it would be MSU and they are trying to do as much damage as possible before things really come out. Hell they probably didn't think that the FBI was really gonna get involved and also probably thought the NCAA would drag their feet. By time the NCAA would have finished up, they would have already fucked up Auburn and Cam Newton; and Dan Mullen would have already left for another school.

Tiger Wench · « **Reply #17 on:** November 10, 2010, 10:07:03 AM »

I don't think there are actually tapes... i think Sani was being silly.

djsimp · « **Reply #18 on:** November 10, 2010, 10:08:48 AM »

Quote from: Tiger Wench on November 10, 2010, 10:07:03 AM

I don't think there are actually tapes... i think Sani was being silly.

Well I don't think there are tapes either, but yes it was reported that their are audio tapes.

Buzz Killington · « **Reply #19 on:** November 10, 2010, 10:10:09 AM »

Quote from: Tiger Wench on November 10, 2010, 10:07:03 AM

I don't think there are actually tapes... i think Sani was being silly.

No...Mullen was pissed, because they taped over his Nickelback collection.