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Thoughts - Week 8

Thoughts - Week 8
« on: October 24, 2010, 09:44:15 AM »
We sat literally five feet from the LSU band, and ten rows up from the LSU locker room.  We were amongst fellow Auburn fans, but the LSU visitors were right against us. 

"Their players look bigger than us," my friend said.
"They are.  A lot of these guys look NFL ready," I said.

We weren't sure if our orange and blue team of magic could overcome the talent disparity.  LSU has years of top 5 recruiting classes on their depth chart.  We have one. 

Patrick Peterson.  Rueban Randle.  Russell Shephard.  Drake Nevis.  Kelvin Shepherd.  All future top round draft picks.  Plus many more.

They were big and physically impressive.  And across the field stood one man warming up.  He was the most dominant presence in the stadium. 

Tiger Walk...

- Before the stadium was even open to the non-student sections, Cam Newton was electrifying the atmosphere.  Tiger Walk was exciting in a calm way like it usually is.  Kids were on their father's shoulders.  Recruits were lined up inside the barriers.  The team was led by the cheerleaders and most of the players just looked focused and ready to get dressed.

- But that one man is a rockstar.  Cam Newton walked confidently down the skinny walkway with a large smile.  His hands connecting with every fan he could quickly reach.  The noise level was as loud as when Nick Fairley suplexed Jordan Jefferson. 

Pregame...

- Cam Newton seemed to know precisely what to do and what to say during pregame warm ups.  It's almost as if he understands exactly what it takes to get his team hyped up for the game yet keep them focused on the task at hand. 

- He's the leader of leaders.  He sprints excitedly down the line of players ready to run down the field to surround the punt.  He leads the team out of the tunnel.  He's the fastest man across the field to give a warm greeting to the alumni section. 

The Heisman Trophy...

- He is the clear cut favorite to win the Heisman.  He's exactly what the trophy was made for.  Without Cam, this team would be nothing more than the next good team.  But with Cam, we are not just in the running for the SEC championship.  We're already establishing this as one of the most enjoyable, worthwhile seasons in Auburn's history.  It's electric.  It's magical.  And Cam Newton has been the most essential part of the formula.

Auburn...

- This team has come together to field one of the best teams in the country.  This was a complete game.

- Cam Newton and the offense are unstoppable.  How many #1 defenses have we crushed and destroyed?  South Carolina's #1 rush defense?  Squashed.  LSU's #1 SEC defense?  Embarrassed. 

- Most impressive was our own defense.  I understand that LSU's offense is terrible, but we have a habit of making terrible offenses look good.  Our defense played lights out most of the game, and they also overcame poor field position.

- We were pinned inside the ten yard line five times.  LSU's special teams were killing us.  But we persevered. 

- Statistics show (I'm making this up) that when you're pinned inside the ten, that usually turns into points for the other team.  You get a few safe plays in just to get the punt off.  The other team starts at the 50 and gets at least a field goal.  Our offense and defense both overcame this challenge. 

- I forgive our passing game in this one.  Patrick Peterson was the 2nd most impressive player of the day.  He looked like a robot with his every movement perfectly disguising his coverage and then his superhuman speed covering 1/2 of the field.  For a good while, LSU's safeties weren't taking any steps back to even care about the pass.  I think that was because Peterson had the secondary on lock down. 

LSU...

- Les Miles is a good coach.  Kinda stupid.  But his players love him.  His team always fights their ass off.  And he produces tough-minded teams that play good defense.

- It's Crowton that needs to be fired.  The guy is a moron.  He doesn' t understand strategy.  And he's not coaching up the quarterbacks. 

- You have all-world talent on your offense, and you have one of the worst offenses in the NCAA.  Pathetic.

LSU Fans...

- Speaking of pathetic...

- As the Auburn band/dance team/color guard were making their around the field in the pregame festivities, the LSU fans sitting in the lower level started chanting "slut."  Obviously directed towards our dance team and color guard, the girls winced and looked shocked that anyone would go that far in talking trash before a football game.

- It was unnecessary and classless.  But the LS-WHO chant we chalked up at the end felt much sweeter because of it. 

Alabama...

- It's slowly creeping up.  The Iron Bowl will decide the SEC championship. 

Georgia...

- You can't fool me with that final score.  I saw the 34-3 or whatever it was at halftime.  You blew that Kentucky team out and then let them come back so that Florida and Auburn would think you still suck. 

- What's going on with Georgia?  Are they really this good now?  Are teams just not taking them seriously? 

- This game scares me more than the Alabama game. 

Oklahoma...

- Another #1 goes down.  I love being right.  Although, I didn't think Oklahoma would be as good as they have been. 

Texas...

- Hahahaha you suck.

Oregon...

- Oregon has blown out teams by utilizing their speed on offense to cut and gash through defenses.  Some have compared Oregon's offense to Auburn's.  I don't see the comparison.  Auburn isn't running through holes 20 yards wide (literally, a few were that wide against UCLA).  I'm not sure Oregon can handle playing a big, physical defense.

- They'll find out next Saturday against USC. 

Boise State...

- Hey Boise!  I know you just watched Oregon dismantle an FBS school, and you just watched Auburn defeat #6 ranked LSU.  You also probably know that Auburn has just played 3 or 4 schools in a row that could easily win your conference and possibly go undefeated in it. 

- But the good news is, as the media will posit over the next few days, that you get to showcase what you're all about on national TV on Tuesday.  You can prove that you deserve to be in the discussion by beating the high quality Louisiana Tech Bulldogs. 

- I won't be impressed unless it's 91-0. 

The Finale

- A four/five game stretch. 

Auburn: @Ole Miss, UT-C, Georgia, @Alabama
Oregon: @USC, Wash, @Cal, Arizona, @Oregon State

- Can these two teams do it?  Can they run the table and meet in Glendale? 

- It'll be tough for both in my opinion.  I don't think Oregon wins @USC, and I'm not sure we can win @Alabama. 

- Exciting season finale it will be.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2010, 09:49:58 AM »
Good post THS. I agree with all except the Miles comment. He is still an idiot. His game mgt is still poor and the guy looks dumbfounded with in tight situations. Crowton is merely the playcaller. Their QB's have NO clue what is going on. The Lee/Jefferson combo makes Todd/Burns from 2008 look good. I almost feel for them. It comes from the top down here and Miles is the man in charge. 

As you said, LSU has boocoodles of NFL talent - keep that fact in mind and watch how they play and manage a game, and its hard to say they aren't underachievers. That is on the head coach.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2010, 10:13:19 AM »
Les Miles is still a moron, just not so much the biggest moron on that staff. All of the corndogs are begging for Crowton to be fired. It still amazes me that week after week LSU struggles with on-the-fly decisions. How do you come out of a timeout, only get 10 guys on the field, and still be confused as to what play you're going to run?

Speaking of coaches, something I have been noticing lately; Malzahn is the brains behind the operation at AU.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2010, 10:22:11 AM »
Les Miles is still a moron, just not so much the biggest moron on that staff. All of the corndogs are begging for Crowton to be fired. It still amazes me that week after week LSU struggles with on-the-fly decisions. How do you come out of a timeout, only get 10 guys on the field, and still be confused as to what play you're going to run?

Speaking of coaches, something I have been noticing lately; Malzahn is the brains behind the operation at AU.

Agree....I kept saying their voodoo luck would run out against a good team. They still had their share of luck and calls in this game as well, but we were good enough to overcome it. We're talking total yardage of 500+ to approx 240. Game wasn't even close in reality. The Corndogs are delusional about their team. They REALLY do think they are world beaters to hear them talk before and AFTER the game.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2010, 10:47:44 AM »
Agree....I kept saying their voodoo luck would run out against a good team. They still had their share of luck and calls in this game as well, but we were good enough to overcome it. We're talking total yardage of 500+ to approx 240. Game wasn't even close in reality. The Corndogs are delusional about their team. They REALLY do think they are world beaters to hear them talk before and AFTER the game.
The reason LSU is so difficult to evaluate is because they have a shit ton of talent on the roster, but they don't have the coaching to go along with it. LSU has gotten by this season winning on talent alone, despite the coaching. You just don't know what you're going to see from week to week. Watching them play anybody is like watching a train wreck. They have some weapons on offense, but they don't have a QB to put the ball into those guys' hands. They have a very good defense, but your offense can fuck you over only so many times before you just break.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 10:54:00 AM »
I agree with THS....Miles is a "good coach".  His players do love him, they play hard(those two things mean a lot), and he recruits well.  However, his deficiencies, and all coaches have them, appear weekly before a live audience's eyes.  He's not a good game manager, and as a team, they are ill prepared for situations where the clock is a foe.  Some coach's deficiencies aren't as plainly evident, and go on for a few years, running the program in the ground, before they're noticed.  Mile's simply cost him a game or two, or a heart attack or two in a close game that shouldn't be. 

Calling him the head man, therefore responsible for the QBs sucking...well I get that "it all comes back on the head man" line of thinking, but I hope you're not suggesting that "good coaching" could make either of these two of Jefferson and Lee SEC caliber QBs.  It may be that the way they're using them is a good job of coaching where they have little or nothing to work with.  But, if it's simply the head man's responsibility to have a good QB, then yeah, Miles has failed there. 
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 10:55:35 AM »


Speaking of coaches, something I have been noticing lately; Malzahn is the brains behind the operation at AU.

Hmm, got to hear how you came to this conclusion. 
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 10:58:25 AM »
Hmm, got to hear how you came to this conclusion.

Yeah I'm curious about that one too.

The offensive woes fall on Miles because he's the head coach.

But the credit to Auburn's success goes to Malzahn despite Chizik being the head coach.

Logic.  The Bammers don't have it.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 10:59:42 AM »
I agree with THS....Miles is a "good coach".  His players do love him, they play hard(those two things mean a lot), and he recruits well.  However, his deficiencies, and all coaches have them, appear weekly before a live audience's eyes.  He's not a good game manager, and as a team, they are ill prepared for situations where the clock is a foe.  Some coach's deficiencies aren't as plainly evident, and go on for a few years, running the program in the ground, before they're noticed.  Mile's simply cost him a game or two, or a heart attack or two in a close game that shouldn't be. 

Calling him the head man, therefore responsible for the QBs sucking...well I get that "it all comes back on the head man" line of thinking, but I hope you're not suggesting that "good coaching" could make either of these two of Jefferson and Lee SEC caliber QBs.  It may be that the way they're using them is a good job of coaching where they have little or nothing to work with.  But, if it's simply the head man's responsibility to have a good QB, then yeah, Miles has failed there.

It is on him. He recruited these guys who play for him. He coaches them. If they suck, its on him either way ultimately.

"Ill prepared"
"Bad game management"
"deficiencies"  (plural)
"weekly basis"
"Clock is a foe"

Doesn't sound like adjectives that describe a good coach. They are dysfunctional - THAT is why their QB's are a mess. Their great D is due solely because of Chavis. Jefferson was all world EVERYTHING coming out of HS. Now - he is the worst QB in CFB. That is coaching. As RWS said, the D can only do this so many times. And last night, they broke.
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 11:02:37 AM »
Hmm, got to hear how you came to this conclusion.
Just from seeing Malzahn on the sideline in total control of that offense, you get the "that guy can coach" vibe off of him. Maybe Chizik is just smart enough to not mess with it, I don't know. Hard to put into words I guess.
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 11:02:54 AM »
Yeah I'm curious about that one too.

The offensive woes fall on Miles because he's the head coach.

But the credit to Auburn's success goes to Malzahn despite Chizik being the head coach.

Logic.  The Bammers don't have it.

Maybe because Miles calls the shots? He is a former OL and heavily involved in the gameplan and in game offensive plays. Chizik is a defensive coach and Malzahn has total control of our Offense which is our strength. I think it makes sense actually.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 11:05:34 AM »
Just from seeing Malzahn on the sideline in total control of that offense, you get the "that guy can coach" vibe off of him. Maybe Chizik is just smart enough to not mess with it, I don't know. Hard to put into words I guess.

I think you just did put it in to words.  Wasn't it you bammers, and Bahr that said Bahr surrounded himself with people smarter than himself? 

Tubs couldn't keep his grubby hands off the offense, and it cost him.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2010, 11:08:46 AM »
Just from seeing Malzahn on the sideline in total control of that offense, you get the "that guy can coach" vibe off of him. Maybe Chizik is just smart enough to not mess with it, I don't know. Hard to put into words I guess.

I don't think I can disagree with that. I certainly think that Chizik has a say but I also think he knows when Malzahn is in his zone.
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 11:11:08 AM »
I think you just did put it in to words.  Wasn't it you bammers, and Bahr that said Bahr surrounded himself with people smarter than himself? 

Tubs couldn't keep his grubby hands off the offense, and it cost him.


Read that again and think Miles.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2010, 11:11:42 AM »
I don't think I can disagree with that. I certainly think that Chizik has a say but I also think he knows when Malzahn is in his zone.

It was clear yesterday that Chiz either green lighted Malzahn, or decided himself to try that 4th down play.  It appeared that prior to the 3rd down play, he told Malzahn "you've got 2 plays to get the first" or something along those lines.  That's how a HC should function, IF he's not his on coordinator. 
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2010, 11:15:04 AM »
It was clear yesterday that Chiz either green lighted Malzahn, or decided himself to try that 4th down play.  It appeared that prior to the 3rd down play, he told Malzahn "you've got 2 plays to get the first" or something along those lines.  That's how a HC should function, IF he's not his on coordinator.

Read that one again and also think Miles. I will get you coming around to the "Miles sucks" bandwagon.  :thumsup:
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 11:18:07 AM »
Read that one again and also think Miles. I will get you coming around to the "Miles sucks" bandwagon.  :thumsup:

I doubt it...suffice it to say, I wouldn't want him as our HC, nor do I think he's "great".  He has his good points, that I already pointed out in agreeing with THS.  Nothing more. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 11:24:36 AM »
Maybe because Miles calls the shots? He is a former OL and heavily involved in the gameplan and in game offensive plays. Chizik is a defensive coach and Malzahn has total control of our Offense which is our strength. I think it makes sense actually.

RWS didn't say "offensive operation."  He said Malzahn is the brains behind the entire operation at Auburn. 

So Miles sucks because his offense is in disarray, but we don't say Chizik is great because his offense is hitting on all cylinders?  I mean, no one is saying that Chizik calls the offensive plays, but it seems like some are assuming that Miles controls the offense and Crowton is just a figurehead. 
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Re: Thoughts - Week 8
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2010, 11:29:31 AM »
Yeah I'm curious about that one too.

The offensive woes fall on Miles because he's the head coach.

But the credit to Auburn's success goes to Malzahn despite Chizik being the head coach.

Logic.  The Bammers don't have it.
I don't know whether LSU's offensive problems lie at Miles' or Crowton's feet, because I really don't know how their playcalling is setup. Other than QB play, I don't think there are any glaring personnel problems on their offense. So, the next step is playcalling. Now, is Crowton really that shitty at strategy, or is he being forced into a shitty strategy due to shitty QBs? Is he being forced into shitty strategy due to Les having his hands all in it? There is some severe disorganization on that sideline, and it's coming from so many angles, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where the blame should be. Les seems to be somewhat involved in the offense, as you will often times see him making gestures and other things to the offensive players.

You don't see Chizik getting involved much with AU's offense. And that's not in a bad way. Malzahn has complete control of that, and Chizik quietly chomps away at his gum.  AU's offense is what's winning them games, and you have to give Malzahn the credit for that. The offense is the AU program right now. I promise you that Chizik isn't going around telling Malzahn what players to recruit for the offense or anything either. I mean, I'm sure there is some level of input, but I would imagine Malzahn is pretty much in control of that as well.

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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 11:32:25 AM »
RWS didn't say "offensive operation."  He said Malzahn is the brains behind the entire operation at Auburn. 

So Miles sucks because his offense is in disarray, but we don't say Chizik is great because his offense is hitting on all cylinders?  I mean, no one is saying that Chizik calls the offensive plays, but it seems like some are assuming that Miles controls the offense and Crowton is just a figurehead.

Tis the way of "the fan".  If they want they can find a way to give a coach all the blame, and none of the credit, or vice versa.  In reality, it's rarely either etreme.
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