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An Idea For Welfare Reform

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An Idea For Welfare Reform
« on: September 09, 2008, 11:27:08 AM »
Someone please tell me why we can't make welfare recipients do some sort of work in order to be eligible to collect their checks.  Even if it is something as simple as picking up garbage on the side of the road, if we require some amount of work I think they would be more likely to go out and get a real job and thus be free from the welfare roles.
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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2008, 11:36:34 AM »
That would be discrimination and the equivalent of slavery. You remember slavery don't you? Yeah, me neither. But that will be the argument.

Australia has it, it's called being on the "dole". You are required to do a little work for it.

For the three generation welfare family, you'd have to pull teeth to change it.
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2008, 11:41:50 AM »
Someone please tell me why we can't make welfare recipients do some sort of work in order to be eligible to collect their checks.  Even if it is something as simple as picking up garbage on the side of the road, if we require some amount of work I think they would be more likely to go out and get a real job and thus be free from the welfare roles.

Oh, that makes a lot of sense.  Why don't we put them in chains and whip them too?  

Seriously, I couldn't agree more, but the Democrats argue that it would be a form of slavery.  It goes back to the concept that America doesn't have "debtors prison"...  
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« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2008, 11:50:59 AM »
How is it slavery?  Slavery would be work for no pay.  I'm talking about work for pay.  There are many jobs that would be good for the community that would be relatively easy for any person with a pulse to carry out.  I don't think we have to make them work 40 hours a week in the heat but we should require something in return for the free money they currently get.

Hell, they might even find a skill for which they realize that they are good at and can go out and make even more money.
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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2008, 12:44:15 PM »
They could file papers in an office, shelve books in a library, mop floors at a hospital, wash dishes in a school cafeteria... the list is endless - and none of those requires working in the heat.

You could offer them a bonus - say, an extra $100 - if they were willing to work for it.
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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #5 on: September 09, 2008, 02:08:15 PM »
I agree with the concepts, but there's a risk to this.  These people collect welfare for a reason.  They're not achievers.  They're not known for their accomplishments.  Government is already plagued by substandard poor performers.  Many of these people would just serve as unnecessary burdens, and their "required" contributions would be worthless.  It could end up costing us more in the end. 

As an alternative, establish additional qualifications rather than just the needs-based initiatives.  Require that they obtain training, financial/economic as well as job/skills.  Just thinking...
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

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"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2008, 02:20:10 PM »
How about this instead?????


Everyone who is not on the gubment tit gets one who is one day a month to do shit around the house.
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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2008, 02:28:27 PM »
How about this instead?????

Everyone who is not on the gubment tit gets one who is one day a month to do shit around the house.

Only if I can put them in chains and whip them all day...  Good times!

I can't believe "you people".  You actually want to force them to work.  Don't you know that all great nations are judge by how well they take care of their "underprivileged"???  (I hate that Socialist argument...)  We should just do away with all forms of welfare.  The unemployment rate would correct itself in a matter of weeks. 
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Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2008, 03:58:14 PM »
Only if I can put them in chains and whip them all day...  Good times!

I can't believe "you people".  You actually want to force them to work.  Don't you know that all great nations are judge by how well they take care of their "underprivileged"???  (I hate that Socialist argument...)  We should just do away with all forms of welfare.  The unemployment rate would correct itself in a matter of weeks. 

But where would the 20 million or so illegal immigrants go once that problem was corrected?!
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Re: An Idea For Welfare Reform
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2008, 04:29:22 PM »
But where would the 20 million or so illegal immigrants go once that problem was corrected?!

Who cares? 
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand