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This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy

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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #300 on: August 12, 2014, 05:15:44 PM »
The reason Alcohol isn't illegal anymore is because it serves no threat to the paper, oil, plastic or pharmaceutical industries. It helps the pharmaceutical & the rehab industries...same is said for the Tobacco industries.

Hemp & the species of Cannabis plants on the other hand? That's a threat to ALL of those industries if the US would decide to grow it again, instead of importing it from China.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #302 on: September 22, 2014, 11:34:27 AM »
This is a power move right here:
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/fuck-it-tv-reporter-quits-on-air-to-fight-for-mariju-1637568743

She needs an invitation to the X, stat.  This is the kind of no nonsense reporting and delivery that we could use a bit of around here.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #303 on: September 22, 2014, 12:28:03 PM »
Regarding my status here on the x, fuck it. I quit. J/k. This place would cave in if that happened though.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #304 on: October 07, 2014, 11:53:40 AM »
This thread needs another bump.  This ought to stir to "pot"...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783111/The-terrible-truth-cannabis-Expert-s-devastating-20-year-study-finally-demolishes-claims-smoking-pot-harmless.html

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The terrible truth about cannabis: Expert's devastating 20-year study finally demolishes claims that smoking pot is harmless

One in six teenagers who regularly smoke the drug become dependent
It doubles risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia
Heavy use in adolescence appears to impair intellectual development
Driving after smoking cannabis doubles risk of having a car crash
Study's author said: 'If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin'
The drug is currently legal in two states - Washington and Colorado
A further 21 states have allowed it to be used for medicinal purposes 
Obama said earlier this year cannabis is not as dangerous as alcohol 

By BEN SPENCER, SCIENCE REPORTER FOR THE DAILY MAIL and WILLS ROBINSON FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 22:40 EST, 6 October 2014 | UPDATED: 08:14 EST, 7 October 2014
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Personally, I'd still like to see everything legalized as long as we did away with all safety nets and deadbeat subsidies.  Darwin would have this mess sorted out in a couple of decades...
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #305 on: October 07, 2014, 12:06:08 PM »
This thread needs another bump.  This ought to stir to "pot"...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783111/The-terrible-truth-cannabis-Expert-s-devastating-20-year-study-finally-demolishes-claims-smoking-pot-harmless.html


Personally, I'd still like to see everything legalized as long as we did away with all safety nets and deadbeat subsidies.  Darwin would have this mess sorted out in a couple of decades...

Was going to say....you could insert the word "alcohol" where cannibas is in that article and it wouldn't be any less true. Same with some other legal things. Ive never said it can't be dangerous. My main argument is it isn't a good reason to not have it legal since there are other things legal today that are also dangerous. Its hypocrisy and there is no other way to spin it.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #306 on: October 07, 2014, 12:12:24 PM »
Was going to say....you could insert the word "alcohol" where cannibas is in that article and it wouldn't be any less true. Same with some other legal things. Ive never said it can't be dangerous. My main argument is it isn't a good reason to not have it legal since there are other things legal today that are also dangerous. Its hypocrisy and there is no other way to spin it.

I suppose that you could even make the same claims about water too, but I think most of us would recognize the differences. 
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Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #307 on: October 07, 2014, 12:18:52 PM »
I suppose that you could even make the same claims about water too, but I think most of us would recognize the differences.

Maybe. But he is right. The only reason MJ is illegal is for political reasons. I shudder to think of the money we, as a society, have pissed away incarcerating for MJ possession. And the lives that did NOT save.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #308 on: October 07, 2014, 12:26:35 PM »
I suppose that you could even make the same claims about water too, but I think most of us would recognize the differences.

Something being dangerous to someone in and of itself isn't a good reason to criminalize it. Thaz all I is saying'. The same dangerous consequences of Pot can also be found in Valium and Hard Liquor. Same consequences and effects are the key part of that. Sure I could drown in water or get electrocuted in it, but it won't run me into a ditch or into another car head on. Those others COULD and HAVE.  How many celebs have died from OD's on scripts or how many people have died from someone driving drunk?  A LOT.

You could argue none of them should be legal based off the fact that it can have a serious effect on others. But then you go down a slippery slope. And that usually only happens when the user of any of them has made a poor choice on how they used it. It causing a detrimental effect IS illegal though - Assault, DUI, Accident. They could probably do the same with pot - make the pothead walk a straight line, run a test on them, etc. Just like anything else I suppose - all in how it is used and timing.

I think the big picture a lot of folks miss is that the moral argument is such a red herring. Forces unseen are behind a lot of the "keep pot illegal" rhetoric and pay a lot of money for it to be seen. hint hint - big pharma and tobacco companies. And they prey right off evangelicals and conservatives in the Bible Belt.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #309 on: October 07, 2014, 02:00:08 PM »
Let's just get serious and legalize everything.  This pussy-footing around trying to compare pot to <fill-in-the-blank> is silly.  Why does government even have a say in this?  And, I don't even think there's a moral argument to this anymore.  Put some reasonable regulations on this stuff, and let the little people do what they want as long as it doesn't impact anyone else.  But, if you fuck up and make a mess, you better be ready to deal with the consequences.  I'm willing to bet that's the concern that has most people uptight. 
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My rule of life prescribed as an absolutely sacred rite smoking cigars and also the drinking of alcohol before, after and if need be during all meals and in the intervals between them.  - Winston Churchill

Eating and sleeping are the only activities that should be allowed to interrupt a man's enjoyment of his cigar.  - Mark Twain

Nothing says "Obey Me" like a bloody head on a fence post!  - Stewie Griffin

"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others."  - Ayn Rand

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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #310 on: October 07, 2014, 02:05:03 PM »
Let's just get serious and legalize everything.  This pussy-footing around trying to compare pot to <fill-in-the-blank> is silly.  Why does government even have a say in this?  And, I don't even think there's a moral argument to this anymore.  Put some reasonable regulations on this stuff, and let the little people do what they want as long as it doesn't impact anyone else.  But, if you fuck up and make a mess, you better be ready to deal with the consequences.  I'm willing to bet that's the concern that has most people uptight.

Yep..

Agree 100%. I don't think most had in mind a "free for all" pot fest with no rules. But the anti pot pushers have pushed that the idea is just that.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #311 on: October 07, 2014, 09:05:30 PM »
. . . let the little people do what they want as long as it doesn't impact anyone else.

Wes and I always do whatever the fuck we want, even if it impacts others.
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #312 on: October 07, 2014, 10:29:52 PM »
Wes and I always do whatever the fuck we want, even if it impacts others.

Whoa, there, bud. Wes is out of your league. :cool:
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Re: This Ought to Make the Libertarians Happy
« Reply #313 on: October 07, 2014, 10:51:00 PM »
Whoa, there, bud. Wes is out of your league. :cool:

His rectum disagrees.
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