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Congratulations, Obama Voters
« on: November 07, 2012, 01:33:43 PM »
From one of my favorite authors:

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/11/07/congratulations-obama-voters/
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Bread and Circuses’ is the cancer of democracy, the fatal disease for which there is no cure. Democracy often works beautifully at first. But once a state extends the franchise to every warm body, be he producer or parasite, that day marks the beginning of the end of the state. For when the plebs discover that they can vote themselves bread and circuses without limit and that the productive members of the body politic cannot stop them, they will do so, until the state bleeds to death, or in its weakened condition the state succumbs to an invader—the barbarians enter Rome.” – Robert Heinlein

Congratulations, Obama voters.

So it is done. My prediction was way off. That is what I get for overestimating Americans and their desire for free stuff and an all powerful government that can meet all of their wants. So congratulations. This time we can’t blame it on Obama being an empty slate to be filled with all your hopes and dreams. You treated a job interview like a popularity contest. This time you know exactly what you are asking for, and I’m sure you’ll get it.

Sure, we’re broke, and will be getting broker, but that’s cool. You said that our kids and grandkids can figure out how to pay our bill. You kicked the can down the road. You decided if we just tax the productive a bunch more, everything will be swell. Math be damned. Less people will pull the cart and more people can ride in it, and you can continue to bitch about the greed of the people pulling and somehow assume that the cart will just keep on rolling. We don’t need budgets, and all of these social programs you are so fond of will somehow stay solvent.

Even as you can watch Europe with your own eyes, and see where this sort of benevolent socialism will eventually lead us, you go happily onward into a debt crisis. Only there is nobody to bail us out, so I’m sure that will work out awesome.

You said you wanted your government controlled healthcare, so it will stay. Sure, now that we’ve seen what is actually in it, and everybody that has to work with the thing agrees that it is an absolute job killer, it is costing us a lot more than expected, and doesn’t do much of what was advertised, but facts don’t matter, just good intentions. Working 30 hours a week instead of 40 will become the new normal.

The media will continue to not do its job, and will keep on ignoring all the scandals and law breaking from the democrats. Fast and Furious? What Fast & Furious? NBC gave it all of 8 seconds of coverage. Benghazi? Nothing to see there. Move along. Anybody who does report about stuff which falls outside of your approved narrative can safely be dismissed as a crank.

For all the ultra lefties, Obama will continue to do all of the stuff you bitched about George Bush doing, drone strikes, imprisoning people without trial, only far more. But somehow it is okay when he does it. You just said so.  For you guys, just remember, at least if there was a republican in office, the media would actually report this sort of thing. So have fun with that.

Overall, the red states got redder, and the blue states got bluer, and big urban areas won the swing states. We’re living in a country with irreconcilable differences and two competing philosophies that literally have no middle ground. One side wants a smaller government and wants to be left alone, the other side wants a bigger government that can do everything. Compromise inevitably means we’ll make government bigger, just not as big as the left wants. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. And the red states keep getting redder and angrier, and the blue states keep getting bluer and angrier, and America as a whole gets poorer and weaker.

So to close, congratulations, Obama voters. I’m sure this will work out great for you. When we revisit this in a few years and everything is limping along, broken, tired, poorer, and somehow less than we could be, I’m sure it will still be someone else’s fault, and you’ll vote again for whoever promises to pay for your good time.
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2012, 01:44:56 PM »
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Overall, the red states got redder, and the blue states got bluer, and big urban areas won the swing states. We’re living in a country with irreconcilable differences and two competing philosophies that literally have no middle ground. One side wants a smaller government and wants to be left alone, the other side wants a bigger government that can do everything. Compromise inevitably means we’ll make government bigger, just not as big as the left wants. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. And the red states keep getting redder and angrier, and the blue states keep getting bluer and angrier, and America as a whole gets poorer and weaker.

But THS just said in another thread that it was all even and this is good for debate.....

HOW THE F#$& DO YOU EAT DEBATE!
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2012, 02:35:35 PM »
But THS just said in another thread that it was all even and this is good for debate.....

HOW THE F#$& DO YOU EAT DEBATE!

For the first time in our history, more people think with obamas economic logic than those who don't think like that. It's very hard to come back from that.
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2012, 02:48:59 PM »
But THS just said in another thread that it was all even and this is good for debate.....

HOW THE F#$& DO YOU EAT DEBATE!

Eat debate?

Are you saying that you haven't been eating because of Barack Obama?
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2012, 02:59:16 PM »
Eat debate?

Are you saying that you haven't been eating because of Barack Obama?

Not like I want to.

But apparently a lot of people are having a hard go of it, since FOOD stamps are up a bit!

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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2012, 03:01:34 PM »
For the first time in our history, more people think with obamas economic logic than those who don't think like that. It's very hard to come back from that.

I don't think we're ever going to recover while on this proverbial track.  Respectfully, but contrary, to THS's view I see this Balkanization of Amerika as bringing us one step closer to being a western Europe-style, social democracy at best...but that conclusion is probably me just whistling past the graveyard.
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
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The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2012, 03:29:45 PM »
I don't think we're ever going to recover while on this proverbial track.  Respectfully, but contrary, to THS's view I see this Balkanization of Amerika as bringing us one step closer to being a western Europe-style, social democracy at best...but that conclusion is probably me just whistling past the graveyard.
Don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure he is not saying at all that the increased hostility is a good thing. He is saying that the diversification of opinion is a good thing. The next logical step from that is to coexist, compromise, and start to look at issues with an open mind and the understanding that the country as a whole is pretty moderate. Implementing truly extreme political policies won't fly in America. For every extreme liberal policy, there is an equal and opposite Republican reaction. And vice versa. That is good for democracy. The bitterness, vitriol, and downright noncooperation? That is very, very bad. I'm pretty sure that that is what THS was saying.
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2012, 04:53:49 PM »
Don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure he is not saying at all that the increased hostility is a good thing. He is saying that the diversification of opinion is a good thing. The next logical step from that is to coexist, compromise, and start to look at issues with an open mind and the understanding that the country as a whole is pretty moderate. Implementing truly extreme political policies won't fly in America. For every extreme liberal policy, there is an equal and opposite Republican reaction. And vice versa. That is good for democracy. The bitterness, vitriol, and downright noncooperation? That is very, very bad. I'm pretty sure that that is what THS was saying.

Yeeeepppppppp. 
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2012, 05:04:20 PM »
Yeah. The only problem with those COEXIST bumper stickers is that everybody wins but me!

And that is how government will work also. If you think the left is anywhere near moderate, you are crazy. The leaders of the left are extreme as hell and do not want to compromise AT ALL. If they did, it would have already happened.
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2012, 05:20:04 PM »
Yeah. The only problem with those COEXIST bumper stickers is that everybody wins but me!

And that is how government will work also. If you think the left is anywhere near moderate, you are crazy. The leaders of the left are extreme as hell and do not want to compromise AT ALL. If they did, it would have already happened.


Yeeeepppppppp.

I remember how exceptionally well that they compromised with the Republicans during the Obamacare "debates".
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2012, 05:20:18 PM »
Yeah. The only problem with those COEXIST bumper stickers is that everybody wins but me!

And that is how government will work also. If you think the left is anywhere near moderate, you are crazy. The leaders of the left are extreme as hell and do not want to compromise AT ALL. If they did, it would have already happened.
Yup.

That's why we have the public option. Wait, what?
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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2012, 05:39:45 PM »
Don't want to speak for him, but I'm pretty sure he is not saying at all that the increased hostility is a good thing. He is saying that the diversification of opinion is a good thing. The next logical step from that is to coexist, compromise, and start to look at issues with an open mind and the understanding that the country as a whole is pretty moderate. Implementing truly extreme political policies won't fly in America. For every extreme liberal policy, there is an equal and opposite Republican reaction. And vice versa. That is good for democracy. The bitterness, vitriol, and downright noncooperation? That is very, very bad. I'm pretty sure that that is what THS was saying.

Well, it would be nice if we could have some civil discussions and mutual respect of each others opinions however I don't see much flexibility on the side of the Democrats so why should my side be the only one to compromise.  Clinton was able to work with Newt Gingrich.  Bush was able to work with Hoyer and Pelosi briefly.  Reagan was able to work with Tip O'Neill and Jim Wright.  But The ONE; there's no compromise; it's MY way or a Presidential Edict!  Further, I don't see anything that The ONE is doing that is good for the country (except maybe "killing" bin Laden).  Trillions have been wasted and we are worse off economically than during the Bush years; not one economic metric has improved.  Their plans are absolutely wrong for America in every way.  So tell me again where can I compromise?
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Congratulations, Obama Voters
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2012, 09:02:15 PM »
http://www.westernjournalism.com/obama-administration-facing-massive-federal-lawsuit/

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A lawsuit seeking the return of $43 trillion (with a “t”) and an audit of all the TARP programs by an independent receiver has been filed against senior members of the Obama Administration and the New York group known as the “Banksters”.

The Wall Street Journal’s MarketWatch is reporting that the Spire Law Group, LLP has moved its mass tort action into the federal court in Brooklyn, New York. In this District Court lawsuit (Case No. 12-cv-04269-JBW-RML), the Spire Law Group, LLP is acting on the behalf of homeowners across the country seeking to halt all foreclosures nationwide until the return of the $43 trillion.

The independent audit the lawsuit is seeking of the TARP Program stems from a report by the former Inspector General of the bailout program, Neil Barofsky, who is countering the claims made by President Obama both publicly and privately to Congress that  the money has been paid back. Mr. Barofsky asserts that none of the money advanced by the Treasury has ever been paid back by the recipients of the program.

The Plaintiffs have established the location of the $43 trillion of laundered money in a criminal racketeering enterprise participated in by the following individuals:

Eric Holder

Tony West

Kamala Harris

Jon Corzine

Robert Rubin

Timothy Geitner

Vikram Pandit

Valerie Jarrett

Anita Dunn

Robert Baueras

The lawsuit alleges that the Obama Administration actively borrowed money from these “Banksters” to fund his political campaign in this 2012 Election and has not pursued any criminal charges against them

The lawsuit also claims multiple violations of the United States Patriot Act, along with the Policy of Embargo Against Iran and Countries Hostile to the Foreign Policy of the United States, and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) and other State and Federal laws by the Obama Administration.
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