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Marshall smells toast
« on: October 13, 2012, 05:46:11 PM »
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Finally, after a heads up kickoff return by C.J. Uzomah gave Auburn a smidgen of hope at the Ole Miss 35 inside the last five minutes, Moseley threw his only interception of the day. Ole Miss romped gleefully through Auburn's dispirited defense. What looked like the return of an Auburn heartbeat in the second quarter became a blowout.

By Ole Miss.

By a team that had lost 16 consecutive SEC games

By a first-year coach running pretty much a carbon copy of the offense Auburn coach Gene Chizik abandoned.

Once again, Auburn did not answer the bell in the fourth quarter. Ole Miss led 24-20 when it started and scored 17 more. In six games this season, Auburn has been outscored 62-3 in the fourth quarter. I've never even heard of anything like that.

And going back to last season, the Tigers have lost six consecutive SEC games. If you're wondering, yes, just more than 21 month after winning the national championship, Auburn replaces Ole Miss as the team with the longest losing streak in SEC games.

I'm not here to call for anyone's job. I don't do that and I won't, but others will certainly scream long and loud. And they won't just be on message boards.

What I know is this: What I witnessed at Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, what I witnessed last Saturday against Arkansas is not Auburn football as I have known it for most of my life.

Youth, injuries, new schemes, new coordinators, forget all that. None of that explains what is going on with this Auburn football team.

This is a bad team. A very bad team. Probably bad enough to lose at Vanderbilt again next Saturday. Maybe bad enough to lose to anybody.

The damning thing about that is this should not be a bad team. This should be a decent team headed toward being a great team in the years to come. Instead, it is headed toward the bottom of the SEC at breakneck speed and doesn't seem inclined to do much about it.



It's not just Chizik.  Way deeper than that.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2012, 05:50:33 PM »



It's not just Chizik.  Way deeper than that.

I'll admit to having a lump in my throat, and tears in my eyes.   I've not felt this way since 1998.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2012, 05:59:04 PM »
I'll admit to having a lump in my throat, and tears in my eyes.   I've not felt this way since 1998.

This makes 1998 look like an orgy with Elle MacPherson and Rachel Hunter leading the way. 

You really have to go all the way back to 1974 and 75 to find a team as pathetic as this one.  Shug's last year, Barfield's first. 

Barfield -- widely considered the worst coach in Auburn history -- had only one team near this bad.  His first. 

The team that got him fired, 1980, went 5-6 and was competitive in every game but one.

Jordan had a couple of bad years in 65 and 66, but those teams were also competitive. 

This is the worst I've seen in my memory. 

I agree with Phillip.  There's no reason it should be this abysmal. 

Chizik is now talking about "baby steps."  Somewhere out there is a video of him talking about baby steps after his ISU team went to 0-6. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2012, 06:07:19 PM »
This makes 1998 look like an orgy with Elle MacPherson and Rachel Hunter leading the way. 

You really have to go all the way back to 1974 and 75 to find a team as pathetic as this one.  Shug's last year, Barfield's first. 

Barfield -- widely considered the worst coach in Auburn history -- had only one team near this bad.  His first. 

The team that got him fired, 1980, went 5-6 and was competitive in every game but one.

Jordan had a couple of bad years in 65 and 66, but those teams were also competitive. 

This is the worst I've seen in my memory. 

I agree with Phillip.  There's no reason it should be this abysmal. 

Chizik is now talking about "baby steps."  Somewhere out there is a video of him talking about baby steps after his ISU team went to 0-6.

I didn't grow up in a football family, Auburn or bammer.  The Barfield years aren't much of a memory to me.  I didn't become an Auburn fan until Dye's tenure.  The only helpless Aubrun team in my memory is 1998, and I knew why...no players.  Barfield had players and failed, but not this miserably.  Bowden could coach, but not recruit.  This shit beats all I've ever seen.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2012, 06:09:04 PM »
This makes 1998 look like an orgy with Elle MacPherson and Rachel Hunter leading the way. 

You really have to go all the way back to 1974 and 75 to find a team as pathetic as this one.  Shug's last year, Barfield's first. 

Barfield -- widely considered the worst coach in Auburn history -- had only one team near this bad.  His first. 

The team that got him fired, 1980, went 5-6 and was competitive in every game but one.

Jordan had a couple of bad years in 65 and 66, but those teams were also competitive. 

This is the worst I've seen in my memory. 

I agree with Phillip.  There's no reason it should be this abysmal. 

Chizik is now talking about "baby steps."  Somewhere out there is a video of him talking about baby steps after his ISU team went to 0-6.

I see changes to that thought process changing. 
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2012, 06:41:53 PM »
So what happens if Jacobs isn't fired?  What can we do?
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2012, 07:17:03 PM »
So what happens if Jacobs isn't fired?  What can we do?

Quit showing up at events-Withold money if you contribute- and let them know why you are witholding.

Auburn comes to A&M next year-if CGC is still the head coach I won't waste a dime on that game, and I have been to every Auburn game that they have had in the state of Texas.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2012, 07:33:34 PM »
Quit showing up at events-Withold money if you contribute- and let them know why you are witholding.

Auburn comes to A&M next year-if CGC is still the head coach I won't waste a dime on that game, and I have been to every Auburn game that they have had in the state of Texas.

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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2012, 09:00:55 PM »
Wow. Homer Marshall has turned. The end must be nye.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2012, 09:11:12 PM »
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This is a bad team. A very bad team. Probably bad enough to lose at Vanderbilt again next Saturday. Maybe bad enough to lose to anybody.

24-17 UF leading Vandy with 2:39 left. I am pretty damn confident we lose next week.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2012, 09:18:24 PM »
24-17 UF leading Vandy with 2:39 left. I am pretty damn confident we lose next week.

We won't just lose we will get are asses kicked.  The only close loss we will have this year is to LSU, a team with no offense.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2012, 09:18:34 PM »
24-17 UF leading Vandy with 2:39 left. I am pretty damn confident we lose next week.
Word.

I have progressively increased our opponents point value in the BFTC each week since the ULM game. This week, Vandy will be my 10 point pick.
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2012, 09:38:12 PM »
24-17 UF leading Vandy with 2:39 left. I am pretty damn confident we lose next week.

If it speeds up what needs to be-I hope we take an ass whoppin.
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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2012, 09:35:24 AM »
I didn't grow up in a football family, Auburn or bammer.  The Barfield years aren't much of a memory to me.  I didn't become an Auburn fan until Dye's tenure.  The only helpless Aubrun team in my memory is 1998, and I knew why...no players.  Barfield had players and failed, but not this miserably.  Bowden could coach, but not recruit.  This shit beats all I've ever seen.
Maybe you didn't grow up in a football family as a youngster but you certainly developed an accumen for the game. Plus you are so well spoken and articulate.  :)  Anyway there are varying opinions of bad coaching  but in 50-50 hindsight I now look at the Barfield years as such: 
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There were no scholarsip limitations and we picked up some very good players but not so in terms of quality depth.
As far as Alabama goes, Bryant was also the AD. which was a huge recruiting advantage with regard to how things got done- for over two decades.
We might have dabbled in the darkside for some recruits but Bryant usually got what he wanted, and that power went beyond the playing field. He could also lobby for better bowl match-ups by virtue of that power and standing. Plus he was considered the very best H.C. in the business.

*In 1968 seventeen kids in the 80# class were each given a playbook on T-formation football and indoctrinated to Alabama football... Bryant style. There was no mention of anything else other than Alabama and Bear to my memory. I doubt any of us had ever heard of Auburn or Shug prior to that and all of those Bryantisms were driven into us at daily practices which were tougher than my first high school two a days for the 4A State Champions. We received signed copies of Bryant's book early on and a few years later every participant at the local Pass, Punt and Kick competition was given another book on "The Bear." That's just a small example of the culture that I grew up around just to put things in perpective.

**Bryant didn't have to keep tabs on Auburn because the other schools kept an eye on each other. It was explained to me later on by several longtime AU grads that UGA was probably responsible for blowing the whistle on Auburn during the Barfield days.

As for Barfield, I have no doubt as to his character or coaching ability from the level he came from but I can back K's statement about his teams being competitive, however outmatched in overall talent in quality numbers. I went to three or four Auburn games per year prior to Dye's arrival and the talent of Cribbs, Brooks and Andrews as a trio has never been equaled IMO by any other school in college football.

I had witnessed great duos as I am certain many here have too in subsequent years but these three gave you your moneys worth even though the "Houston Veer" was the wrong offense to showcase their God-given abilities. Another way to look at it was that they were misused by Barfield and staff in a very successful offense.

You see Cribbs was as good as it gets as a true running back/ receiver and he backed that up in the NFL and USFL for a sterling career. But Andrews was employed mostly as a blocking back, and it wasn't discovered until his final season at Auburn just how tremendous his receiving skills were out of the backfield combined with sheer power and the moves to make the opposition miss...alot!

In Brooks we had a kick returner second to none, and he was placed all over the field as a weapon but was seldom used beyond a limited fill-in role or decoy because we didn't have a passing offense nor did we have the QB that could really air it out during that time. Oddly the barely used Brooks made his money as a slashing speedy back between the tackles and prolific receiver all over the field in the NFL.

So yeah if you were a student at Auburn, a student of the game or just a dude wth a date you might have left the stadium a loser but you were entertained and dazzled by by those three guys all the same. There was of course other talent on the team at key positions but nothing relative to the caliber of those three on any team.
 
                                                                          fast forward
So when Pat Dye was announced as the new Head Coach some like myself wondered why we hired a Bear disciple and Georgia grad and of course the rest is history.

***Disclaimer: As strange as my posts are to my fellow Xers, you just have to imagine what it was like as a fan during that era. Other old timers here might share or differ in their own accounts but this is how I recall it as a sidewalk fan and there are far better takes on this subject than I could ever hope to produce.

Still, when the media or outsiders scratch their heads in disbelief at Auburn for some of the past decisions of the PTB they have no earthly idea WTF they are talking about or what it takes to compete in this arena then or now or what Dye brought to Auburn to make them competitive again in many ways but it will NEVER be quite enough to put Auburn on a level playing field with Alabama alone, even if one doesn't recognize adxantages that several other SEC schools have as well.

Maybe the situation isn't as well defined at other places or the boundaries or rivalries are just so uniquely different from all the rest, IDK. But I do know what missteps or dragging of heels in a hiring/firing decision can do to a program and have witnessed others digging themselves out of a shallow grave while the others are throwing dirt on you and it's a bad feeling when your team has scratched and clawed to get where it is.

We live in a different fast-paced world where today's major contender could be tomorrow's perrenial loser in a very short time. There's no room for error. 

"And that's all I got to say about that." -F. Gump           

   
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2012, 10:38:57 AM »
We won't just lose we will get are asses kicked.  The only close loss we will have this year is to LSU, a team with no offense.

And that team has enough of a running game to beat the cocks.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2012, 10:52:06 AM »
Whats bad, real bad.......I have to watch bama in order to see what good football looks like this year.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2012, 11:00:13 AM »
Whats bad, real bad.......I have to watch bama in order to see what good football looks like this year.

I am watching more Big 12.
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Re: Marshall smells toast
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2012, 11:03:15 AM »
I am watching more Big 12.

Probably a good year to pull for Florida or Texas Tech or Iowa State or Arkansas State or
Akron or Samford or...............
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« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2012, 11:05:52 AM »
And that team has enough of a running game to beat the cocks.
Strangely, as much as any of us or the so-called experts think, this is all a crapshoot because we start comparing scores or hailing a team as invincible when there seems to be enough evidence to back it up, be it so many starters out, so few TDs scored in so many quarters of play, what a team has done in the last three road games, personnel mismatches, coaching superiority etc.
Kids huh, whatta you gonna do?
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