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Why Republicans May Never Win Again

Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2012, 12:19:36 PM »
9/11 was the worst thing to happen to the Republican party.  It gave credence to the underlying extremists in the party who want to trade Liberty for Security.   The party is splintered, and they left the Reagan Republicans like me behind a long time ago.

Not to mention the Clinton cigar jobs.  Way too many Republicans are hellbent on bringing some fictitious, arbitrary version of heaven into America. 

Drop the religious campaign and the party picks up a plethora of independent voters. 
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Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2012, 12:25:08 PM »
JFK = One of the worst presidents in history. 

Him, carter, Coolidge, obaba.... Terrible presidents. 
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Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2012, 12:26:08 PM »
Not to mention the Clinton cigar jobs.  Way too many Republicans are hellbent on bringing some fictitious, arbitrary version of heaven into America. 

Drop the religious campaign and the party picks up a plethora of independent voters.

Yep, as I said, most of Americans, though they may identify themselves as Rep. or Dem., are in fact moderates.
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Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2012, 12:43:32 PM »
JFK = One of the worst presidents in history. 

Him, carter, Coolidge, obaba.... Terrible presidents.

Not debating whether or not JFK was a good president. Thats subjective and weve had that debate at length before. What was I using him as a reference for was policy standing on the spectrum. Kennedy was generally a fiscal capitalist, pro national security, anti Communism. Those are pretty middle of the road or even conservative stances. Compared to Democrats today, he was almost a Republican.
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Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2012, 01:00:35 PM »
9/11 was the worst thing to happen to the Republican party.  It gave credence to the underlying extremists in the party who want to trade Liberty for Security.   The party is splintered, and they left the Reagan Republicans like me behind a long time ago.
There's definitely some truth to that, but the NeoCon/RINO movement started long before that.  I would say that Bush 41 was the first President from that movement, turning his back on fiscal responsibility among other things. 
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Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2012, 01:17:20 PM »
There's definitely some truth to that, but the NeoCon/RINO movement started long before that.  I would say that Bush 41 was the first President from that movement, turning his back on fiscal responsibility among other things.

Read my lips....

You are right though. Nixon really ushered that movement into mainstream along with Ford, George Romney and Nelson Rockefeller. Bill Kristol's pops was a big player as well. Goldwater and Reagan were the anti-RINO wing. Between 1960 (when Nixon lost to Kennedy) and 1968 (when Nixon won the first time), something happened to tricky Dick. He was a true to the core Conservative in 1960 and by 1968 had sold out to the RINOs. It is still one of the sad stories in politics to me, what happened to Nixon. He was brilliant, and flushed it all down the toliet.
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Re: Why Republicans May Never Win Again
« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2012, 02:37:15 PM »
Not debating whether or not JFK was a good president. Thats subjective and weve had that debate at length before. What was I using him as a reference for was policy standing on the spectrum. Kennedy was generally a fiscal capitalist, pro national security, anti Communism. Those are pretty middle of the road or even conservative stances. Compared to Democrats today, he was almost a Republican.

Kennedy was a pacifist and a wuss.
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