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One man, six votes?
« on: June 15, 2010, 09:38:50 AM »
I have never heard of this and many of my relatives live in Chilton County?


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Residents get 6 votes each in suburban NY election
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By JIM FITZGERALD, Associated Press Writer Jim Fitzgerald, Associated Press Writer – Tue Jun 15, 4:15 am ET

PORT CHESTER, N.Y. – Arthur Furano voted early — five days before Election Day. And he voted often, flipping the lever six times for his favorite candidate.

Furano cast multiple votes on the instructions of a federal judge and the U.S. Department of Justice as part of a new election system crafted to help boost Hispanic representation.

Voters in Port Chester, 25 miles northeast of New York City, are electing village trustees for the first time since the federal government alleged in 2006 that the existing election system was unfair.

Although the village of about 30,000 residents is nearly half Hispanic, no Latino had ever been elected to any of the six trustee seats, which until now were chosen in a conventional at-large election. Most voters were white, and white candidates always won.

Federal Judge Stephen Robinson said that violated the Voting Rights Act, and he approved a remedy suggested by village officials: a system called cumulative voting, in which residents get six votes each to apportion as they wish among the candidates. He rejected a government proposal to break the village into six districts, including one that took in heavily Hispanic areas.

Furano and his wife, Gloria Furano, voted Thursday.

"That was very strange," Arthur Furano, 80, said after voting. "I'm not sure I liked it. All my life, I've heard, 'one man, one vote.'"

It's the first time any municipality in New York has used cumulative voting, said Amy Ngai, a director at FairVote, a nonprofit election research and reform group that has been hired to consult. The system is used to elect the school board in Amarillo, Texas, the county commission in Chilton County, Ala., and the City Council in Peoria, Ill.

The judge also ordered Port Chester to implement in-person early voting, allowing residents to show up on any of five days to cast ballots. That, too, is a first in New York, Ngai said.

Village clerk Joan Mancuso said Monday that 604 residents voted early.

Gloria Furano gave one vote each to six candidates. Aaron Conetta gave two votes each to three candidates.

Frances Nurena talked to the inspectors about the new system, grabbed some educational material and went home to study. After all, it was only Thursday. She could vote on Friday, Saturday or Tuesday.

"I understand the voting," she said. "But since I have time, I'm going to learn more about the candidates."

FairVote said cumulative voting allows a political minority to gain representation if it organizes and focuses its voting strength on specific candidates. Two of the 13 Port Chester trustee candidates — one Democrat and one Republican — are Hispanic. A third Hispanic is running a write-in campaign after being taken off the ballot on a technicality.

Results were expected late Tuesday night. The Department of Justice said Monday that federal observers would be at all polling places Tuesday.

Campaigning was generally low-key, and the election itself was less of an issue than housing density and taxes.

Hispanic candidates Fabiola Montoya and Luis Marino emphasized their volunteer work and said they would represent all residents if elected.

Gregg Gregory gave all his votes to one candidate, then said, "I think this is terrific. It's good for Port Chester. It opens it up to a lot more people, not just Hispanics but independents, too."

Vote coordinator Martha Lopez said that if turnout is higher than in recent years, when it hovered around 25 percent, the election would be a success — regardless of whether a Hispanic was elected.

"I think we'll make it," she said. "I'm happy to report the people seem very interested."

But Randolph McLaughlin, who represented a plaintiff in the lawsuit, said the goal was not merely to encourage more Hispanics to vote but "to create a system whereby the Hispanic community would be able to nominate and elect a candidate of their choice."

That could be a non-Hispanic, he acknowledged, and until exit polling is done, "it won't be known for sure whether the winners were Hispanic-preferred."

The village held 12 forums — six each in English and Spanish — to let voters know about the new system and to practice voting. The bilingual ballot lists each candidate across the top row — some of them twice if they have two party lines — and then the same candidates are listed five more times. In all, there are 114 levers; voters can flip any six.

Besides the forums, bright yellow T-shirts, tote bags and lawn signs declared "Your voice, your vote, your village," part of the educational materials also mandated in the government agreement. Announcements were made on cable TV in each language.

All such materials — the ballot, the brochures, the TV spots, the reminders sent home in schoolkids' backpacks — had to be approved in advance, in English and Spanish versions, by the Department of Justice.

Conetta said the voter education effort was so thorough he found voting easier than usual.

"It was very different but actually quite simple," he said. "No problem."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100615/ap_on_el_st_lo/us_voting_rights_election
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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: One man, six votes?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2010, 10:02:49 AM »
I still have not figured this one out, but the hispanolas seem to like it.

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Hispanic Apparent Winner in Unusual NY Election

Published June 16, 2010

PORT CHESTER, N.Y. -- An unusual election in a New York City suburb, in which voters could cast six ballots for one candidate, apparently resulted Wednesday in the first Hispanic elected to the village Board of Trustees.

Luis Marino, a school district maintenance director, was in fourth place among 13 candidates for six trustee positions in the final but unofficial vote count, said Aldo Vitagliano, a spokesman for the village of Port Chester.

Marino, a Democrat, had 1,962 votes, well back of leader Bart Didden, an independent, who had 2,576. But Marino was well ahead of the seventh-place candidate, who had 1,272. Only 28 affidavit ballots remained to be counted, Vitagliano said.

Marino, 43, was thrilled.

"I am very happy, and I hope to do my best," he said. "I was happy to do whatever the people decided."

The court-imposed election was held after a federal judge ruled that Port Chester's conventional at-large trustee elections violated the Voting Rights Act. Although the village of about 30,000 residents is nearly half Hispanic, no Latino had ever been elected to any of the six trustee seats. Most voters were white, and white candidates always won.

The success of one of the two Hispanics on the ballot could lead to wider use of the unusual voting system, called cumulative voting, especially as a remedy for discrimination. Port Chester was the first municipality in New York to use it, said Amy Ngai, a director at FairVote, a nonprofit election research and reform group that was hired to consult in Port Chester.

In cumulative voting, residents get multiple votes to apportion as they wish among the candidates. Experts said the system allows a political minority to gain representation if it organizes and focuses its voting strength on specific candidates.

Cumulative voting has been used to elect the school board in Amarillo, Texas, the county commission in Chilton County, Ala., and the City Council in Peoria, Ill.

The judge also ordered Port Chester to implement in-person early voting, allowing residents to show up on any of five days before Tuesday to cast ballots. That, too, is a first in New York, Ngai said.

Village clerk Joan Mancuso said 604 residents voted early. Total turnout had not been calculated early Wednesday.

Arthur Furano, an 80-year-old lifelong resident of Port Chester, voted Thursday and gave all six of his votes to one candidate.

"That was very strange," he said. "I'm not sure I liked it. All my life, I've heard, 'one man, one vote."'

His wife, Gloria Furano, gave one vote each to six candidates.

On Tuesday, Candida Sandoval voted at the Don Bosco Center, where a soup kitchen and day laborer hiring center added to the activity, and where federal observers watched the voting from a table in the corner.

"I hope that if Hispanics get in, they do something for all the Hispanic people," Sandoval said in Spanish. "I don't know, but I hope so."

Campaigning was generally low-key, and the unusual election itself was less of an issue than housing density and taxes.

The village held 12 forums -- six each in English and Spanish -- to let voters know about the new system and to practice voting. It also produced bright yellow T-shirts
, tote bags and lawn signs declaring "Your voice, your vote, your village," all part of the education program mandated in the government agreement. Announcements were made on cable TV in each language and reminders were sent home in schoolkids' backpacks.

All the materials had to be approved in advance, in English and Spanish versions, by the Department of Justice.

Aaron Conetta said the voter education effort was so thorough he found voting easier than usual.

"It was very different but actually quite simple," he said. "No problem."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/06/16/hispanic-apparent-winner-unusual-ny-election/?test=latestnews

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Five statements of WISDOM
1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity, by legislating the wealth out of prosperity.
2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: One man, six votes?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2010, 10:22:44 AM »
I have never heard of this and many of my relatives live in Chilton County?

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This is what happens when you get a Federal Judge developing a solution to a possible violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  The Village Council of this little town apparently has six seats all of which have been held by Whites despite the supposed fact that half the residents are Hispanic.  The Feds thought that the Hispanics were not properly represented on the Council so their solution was to give everyone a vote per seat on the Council...six seats...six votes per person...cumulative voting.  The obvious result of this silliness is a Hispanic was finally elected to the Council.  The Feds engineered the outcome that they thought was fair according to the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Of course we've been living under this engineered electioneering nonsense in the South so long (since Reconstruction) we've been brainwashed to think that it's 'normal' for a Federal Judge to approve all of our voting districts.

Too many people confuse the Voting Rights Act of 1965 with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Rand Paul being the most notable example...which got him into some hot water).  The Voting Rights Act actually takes away rights of certain states and counties to set up their own voting districts...mostly Southern States...it's practices go all the way back to Reconstruction.  The Voting Rights Act should not be renewed ever again.  This was one MAJOR problem that I had with Bush 43 because he renewed this legislation.  It's time has come and gone (unlike the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which I support).
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Re: One man, six votes?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 10:27:47 AM »
This is what happens when you get a Federal Judge developing a solution to a possible violation of the Voting Rights Act of 1965.  The Village Council of this little town apparently has six seats all of which have been held by Whites despite the supposed fact that half the residents are Hispanic.  The Feds thought that the Hispanics were not properly represented on the Council so their solution was to give everyone a vote per seat on the Council...six seats...six votes per person...cumulative voting.  The obvious result of this silliness is a Hispanic was finally elected to the Council.  The Feds engineered the outcome that they thought was fair according to the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

Of course we've been living under this engineered electioneering nonsense in the South so long (since Reconstruction Deconstruction) we've been brainwashed to think that it's 'normal' for a Federal Judge to approve all of our voting districts.

Too many people confuse the Voting Rights Act of 1965 with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (Rand Paul being the most notable example...which got him into some hot water).  The Voting Rights Act actually takes away rights of certain states and counties to set up their own voting districts...mostly Southern States...it's practices go all the way back to ReconstructionDeconstruction.  The Voting Rights Act should not be renewed ever again.  This was one MAJOR problem that I had with Bush 43 because he renewed this legislation.  It's time has come and gone (unlike the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which I support).

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Re: One man, six votes?
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2010, 10:56:58 AM »
Thanks for explaining. It sounded more like social engineering than anything.
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Five statements of WISDOM
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2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving.
3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.
4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.
5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friends, is the beginning of the end of any nation.

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Re: One man, six votes?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2010, 11:39:06 AM »
I could not resist.

Secession now!!!!
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Re: One man, six votes?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2010, 01:18:44 PM »
Thanks for explaining. It sounded more like social engineering than anything.

No worries.  I am sorry if I wrote too much information there but the Voting Rights Act is, albeit esoteric, a particular 'hot-button' issue with me if for the fact alone that the Southern States are still under the boot-heel of an overly powerful Federal government 145 years after the Surrender at Appomattox.

As a footnote to a comment that I wrote above, Rand Paul, in a monumental moment of ignorance while being interviewed by Rachel Maddow confused the Voting Rights Act with the Civil Rights Act...still makes me cringe.

Secession now!!!!

Not yet...
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me. 
-Ayn Rand

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.
-The Right Honourable Margaret Thatcher

The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.
-Milton Friedman

The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'
-Ronald Reagan

When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
-Thomas Jefferson