Saban is a total DICK

[Tiger Wench]

As if we needed more proof.  Also, Ingram's comments are either an attempt as serious ass kissing, or it confirms my theory that Saban is building an army of Ivan Draco zombie clones...

TUSCALOOSA - They don't make football players like they used to, Alabama coach Nick Saban says. Most recently, he said so Saturday.

"That's what I tell the players all the time, and they hate to hear it, but now I'm going to say it publicly so they can really get upset about it," Saban said after his team's 23-10 victory over Ole Miss.

He was complaining about players who stay on the ground after a play, come off the field, then return the next play.

Do the players get tired of hearing their coach question their toughness?

"Back in his day, he'd make it sound like they were robots," junior defensive end Marcell Dareus said.

"When I hurt my ankle in the Arkansas game, he said, 'I would have never laid out there on the field.' He said, 'I broke my leg in three places, and I still got up and ran off the field.' I said, 'OK.' If I break my leg in three places, y'all might as well bring a stretcher."   

Junior wide receiver Marquis Maze agrees that they don't make players like they used to.

"They don't really, because those guys are slower than we were," Maze said. "They don't make guys like they make them now. That's how I joke back with him. Back in their day, they played with leather helmets. Didn't have much protection."

Saban wasn't joking after Saturday's game when he went off on a tirade about mental toughness.

"You're telling the other guy you're beating me up, I'm hurt and I'm going to stay down here," he said. "It's just like a boxer. If you go down, get up. If you've got to come out for a play, come out for a play. But that's just me. I'm old-fashioned. I know they don't make 'em like they used to. ...

"But a guy lays on the ground and eight trainers go out there and everybody thinks he's hurt and he gets up and runs off the field. When I played, my coach, you wouldn't want to meet him on the sideline. So if you stayed down, you'd better really be hurt."

Running back Mark Ingram isn't going to argue.

"He's our coach," the 2009 Heisman Trophy winner said. "Whatever he says, whatever he does, we're always behind him."   

So players aren't as tough as they used to be?

"If that's what he says, then that's what's right," Ingram said.

Ingram was asked if he thinks Saban is challenging certain players.

"Definitely," Ingram said. "They just need to step up and play more physical, execute more. We've just got to play Alabama football."

No shit, Sherlock.  Some of these guys have a future ahead of them making more money in signing bonuses  than you do in a year.  Hell yeah they are gonna lay down. What, you think they are at bammer because they love the Tide?  Because they are grateful for a four year college education?  You think their ultimate goal in life is to sacrifice everything for bammer football so you can look good?  FUCK YOU.  It also sounds like Dareus could give a flying shit what you think, asshole.  Good for him.

[War Eagle!!!]

I am in 100% agreement with Saban on this one. It drives me nuts to see what Saban is talking about here, and it doesn't bother me that he is saying it. I say the exact same shit all the time. That's how my dad taught me to play the game. That's what I did. I'll be damn if I would have laid on the ground. I would crawl off before I let the trainers come out. I will teach my son the same thing. I teach him that now. If he falls off his bike, I don't run over there to baby him. I teach him to get his own self up and brush it off and go again. It's the same concept. Mentally tough. Kids today aren't taught that.

[AUJarhead]

If he falls off his bike, I don't run over there to baby him. I teach him to get his own self up and brush it off and go again.

Exactly what I do to my daughter.

[wesfau2]

Exactly what I do to my daughter.

I'm in the business of helping people ($1 to Houston Nutt), so I decided to help you parents out.

Whenever I see a kid on a bike, I push them over.

Got to teach those kids somehow. 

[AWK]

As if we needed more proof.  Also, Ingram's comments are either an attempt as serious ass kissing, or it confirms my theory that Saban is building an army of Ivan Draco zombie clones...

No shit, Sherlock.  Some of these guys have a future ahead of them making more money in signing bonuses  than you do in a year.  Hell yeah they are gonna lay down. What, you think they are at bammer because they love the Tide?  Because they are grateful for a four year college education?  You think their ultimate goal in life is to sacrifice everything for bammer football so you can look good?  FUCK YOU.  It also sounds like Dareus could give a flying shit what you think, asshole.  Good for him.

I don't see why this mentality surprises you.  This is why Saban failed in the NFL.  When he is dealing with 18 - 21 year old kids, he can spew this crap out and they can do nothing but accept it and follow him.   In the NFL he was dealing with grown men who have to worry about their salaries and families, who know that they don't have to listen to this bullshit. 

[Tiger Wench]

I am in 100% agreement with Saban on this one. It drives me nuts to see what Saban is talking about here, and it doesn't bother me that he is saying it. I say the exact same shit all the time. That's how my dad taught me to play the game. That's what I did. I'll be damn if I would have laid on the ground. I would crawl off before I let the trainers come out. I will teach my son the same thing. I teach him that now. If he falls off his bike, I don't run over there to baby him. I teach him to get his own self up and brush it off and go again. It's the same concept. Mentally tough. Kids today aren't taught that.

Yes - kids today are pussies.  You catch a cramp, then running it off the field is a good thing.  And I am the same way with my kids - fall down?  Skin your knee?  Get up, rub some dirt on it and get back out there.  Unless there is bone sticking out, or blood gushing, no tears allowed.  But they are kids playing a kids game - this is just for fun.

BUT... if you have NOTHING but your legitimate athletic ability, if you are COUNTING on playing on Sundays to make something of and for yourself, you are DAMN RIGHT I am gonna make the trainers assure me that the tweak I felt in my kneee was just a twinge and not a ripped ACL.  What if Zac Ethridge had just tried to jump up and run off?  He could have died.   But i guess he would be tough...

Running off the field with a leg broken in three places.  WTF ever, bitch.

[Snaggletiger]

Absolutely depends on the particular corch's mentality.  We had a Corch at Auburn one time who came out on the field after what you see below, and told the player..."Don't get up until you can run off the field and you find the guy who hit you and point at him". Paraphrasing of course and I'm sure there were a few expletives thrown in but.....you get the idea.

[War Eagle!!!]

Absolutely depends on the particular corch's mentality.  We had a Corch at Auburn one time who came out on the field after what you see below, and told the player..."Don't get up until you can run off the field and you find the guy who hit you and point at him". Paraphrasing of course and I'm sure there were a few expletives thrown in but.....you get the idea.

So what happened? Was he able to?

[War Eagle!!!]

BUT... if you have NOTHING but your legitimate athletic ability, if you are COUNTING on playing on Sundays to make something of and for yourself, you are DAMN RIGHT I am gonna make the trainers assure me that the tweak I felt in my kneee was just a twinge and not a ripped ACL.  What if Zac Ethridge had just tried to jump up and run off?  He could have died.   But i guess he would be tough...

Running off the field with a leg broken in three places.  WTF ever, bitch.

Apples and Oranges. What Saban is talking about it these kids lay down on the field, roll around like they are in the most absolute pain in the world, stay down on the field for 5 minutes, then get up, run off and play the next play. That's crap. Get up and walk off the field if you get hurt. NOT if you get injured.

And I have torn my ACL twice. Both on the athletic field. I walked off the field on my own both times. You aren't going to fuck up anything else. If your leg's shattered. That's something else obviously. There is no way to walk off.

[JR4AU]

I am in 100% agreement with Saban on this one. It drives me nuts to see what Saban is talking about here, and it doesn't bother me that he is saying it. I say the exact same shit all the time. That's how my dad taught me to play the game. That's what I did. I'll be damn if I would have laid on the ground. I would crawl off before I let the trainers come out. I will teach my son the same thing. I teach him that now. If he falls off his bike, I don't run over there to baby him. I teach him to get his own self up and brush it off and go again. It's the same concept. Mentally tough. Kids today aren't taught that.

^^^yep.  We battle it all the time in our youth football...kids these days think any discomfort at all means you're injured.  Kids lay writhing on the ground like they've been shot, then in a minute or two, they act like nothing was wrong...because what they had was just a little bump.  One of the things I see with kids today is they do a lot of posturing about being tough, and talk about not letting people disrespect them, etc...but let one get hurt, and he'll cry like a little bitch in front of God and everyone.  That didn't happen when I played.  Saban is right.  Dareus is a pussy...well probably not really, but you know...and I certainly want kids like Ingram on my team that will run through a brick wall for the team. 

[Snaggletiger]

So what happened? Was he able to?

That's exactly what he did.  Wound up changing the whole momentum of the game and AU wacked that Buckeye ass the rest of the game.

[JR4AU]

Absolutely depends on the particular corch's mentality.  We had a Corch at Auburn one time who came out on the field after what you see below, and told the player..."Don't get up until you can run off the field and you find the guy who hit you and point at him". Paraphrasing of course and I'm sure there were a few expletives thrown in but.....you get the idea.

FYI, that was Bo Pelini in that pile jumping around on his teammate. 

And, when you get the shit knocked out of you and you don't know which way is up...it's ok to at least figure out what month it is before you try and walk...of course if you're no conscience, then you can't make a decision to stay down or get up either.  That's not being a pussy...that's called "where the fuck am I?"  Hits like that, are one second the ball is coming and the next you're looking up at somebody's face and thinking "uhhhh, eeeeeeh, uhhhhh" and trying to figure out where you are.  BTDT, got my clock cleaned on a kickoff return once.  Didn't hurt, just didn't know where the fuck I was for a few seconds. 

[Snaggletiger]

FYI, that was Bo Pelini in that pile jumping around on his teammate. 

And, when you get the shit knocked out of you and you don't know which way is up...it's ok to at least figure out what month it is before you try and walk...of course if you're no conscience, then you can't make a decision to stay down or get up either.  That's not being a pussy...that's called "where the fuck am I?"  Hits like that, are one second the ball is coming and the next you're looking up at somebody's face and thinking "uhhhh, eeeeeeh, uhhhhh" and trying to figure out where you are.  BTDT, got my clock cleaned on a kickoff return once.  Didn't hurt, just didn't know where the fuck I was for a few seconds.

Yep, hits like that have long lasting effects, huh?

[Tiger Wench]

^^^yep.  We battle it all the time in our youth football...kids these days think any discomfort at all means you're injured.  Kids lay writhing on the ground like they've been shot, then in a minute or two, they act like nothing was wrong...because what they had was just a little bump. 

OK - I agree with the "fake it to lay there for a minute" being annoying... drama is what I get from my 6 year old.  It is nto appropriate on their field.  But to me, Saban made it sound like he wanted ERRYBODY to run off the field.  Leg ripped off?  Use it as a crutch!  Bone sticking out?  Push it back in and use the splinters for a toothpick!  So yeah, I agree with Agent Spawn - if my leg is broken in three places, y'all best be showing up with a cart.  Not everybody can be like that fucker that cut off his finger at half time so he could keep playing.

[JR4AU]

OK - I agree with the "fake it to lay there for a minute" being annoying... drama is what I get from my 6 year old.  It is nto appropriate on their field.  But to me, Saban made it sound like he wanted ERRYBODY to run off the field.  Leg ripped off?  Use it as a crutch!  Bone sticking out?  Push it back in and use the splinters for a toothpick!  So yeah, I agree with Agent Spawn - if my leg is broken in three places, y'all best be showing up with a cart.  Not everybody can be like that fucker that cut off his finger at half time so he could keep playing.

It's coach speak to the players.  Nothing more.  Which is kinda the point...everybody CAN be like that guy that lost his finger and kept playing...good coaches help bring that out in the ones that just don't know it yet, but not all find that kind of toughness.