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Deja vue all over again?

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Deja vue all over again?
« on: September 22, 2010, 03:17:54 PM »
Sadly, it seems Tubs just can't learn to leave an offense alone, or fully commit to one that he's not comfortable with, no matter how much lip service he gives it...if you really listen, you can hear what he's thinking.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Reorientation-These-are-not-the-Red-Raiders-we-?urn=ncaaf-271080

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Reorientation: These are not the Red Raiders we once knew

By Matt Hinton

Adjusting to the weekend's new realities

• Whatever Texas Tech is doing, it's not the Air Raid. Tommy Tuberville and boy wonder offensive coordinator Neal Brown have already proved they have no intention of reducing the quantity of passes  at Texas Tech after a decade as the most consistently pass-happy outfit in the country under departed "Air Raid" guru Mike Leach. The quality, on the other hand, is definitely not guaranteed, not after the Red Raiders were held to fewer total yards (144), fewer passing yards (158) and fewer yards per play (2.7) in Saturday night's 24-14 home loss to Texas than in any single game of Leach's entire tenure, against anyone, home or away.

In addition the new lows, the Raiders' output on the ground Saturday (minus-14 yards) was only three yards off the worst rushing effort under Leach, minus-17 yards vs. Texas in 2004, and their 11 first downs were the fewest since back-to-back losses to Oklahoma in 2001 (9 first downs) and 2002 (10). They mounted one sustained scoring drive – the first touchdown came via an interception return by the defense – compared to seven offensive possessions that went three-and-out and three more that ended in turnovers. In almost every respect, with eight returning starters and a fifth-year senior quarterback in a familiar, friendly environment, it was Tech's worst offensive performance in over a decade.

Don't expect Tuberville to dump Brown the way he did Tony Franklin midway through the disastrous spread experiment that proved to be Tubs' undoing at Auburn in 2008. But Tuberville has always been a run-first coach, and spent most of the offseason talking about improving the running game. If this dalliance with the spread starts to look like deja vu all over again against competent defenses, expect to start hearing – and seeing – a lot more about "balance" in the very near future.

This isn't the SEC, so all the "that won't work in the SEC" crap won't fly here at all.  By contrast, Oklahoma State hired Dana Holgerson in the off season.  Holgerson, studied under Leach at TT, before going to Houston.  Another "Air Raid" offense.  In their first 3 games under the new  Air Raid system at Ok. State...they are #1 in the nation in Passing Offense, and #2 in the Nation in Total Offense and Scoring Offense.  Their rushing offense?  29th.  OTOH, Tubs hired Neal Brown, another Air Raid guru away from Troy in order to maintain what Texas Tech had been doing system-wise (read as no excuses of "got to recruit to it) is 22nd in Passing Offense, 78th in Total Offense, 35th in Scoring Offense, and 113th in Rushing Offense. 

Of the top 10 Passing offenses, 3 are Air Raid teams, OSU, Houston, and Troy.  Those same teams are #2, 11, and 17 in Total Offense, and in Scoring Offense they are 2, 7 and 35th (Troy is Tied with Tx Tech in Scoring Offense.) 

NOT advocating for the return of the Air Raid to Auburn...merely pointing out a couple of things...namely Tubs just doesn't seem to get it when it comes to offense...it takes a total commitment to what you're trying to do.  Whether its the Wisbone or the Air Raid, you damn well have to decide to be one or the other, and immerse yourself in getting as good as you can at the core concepts of your chosen scheme.  When you dilly-dally around with a hodgepodge of concepts, you get mediocre at some, poor at others, and good at none.  In the early going, it looks like Tubs may not be long for Lubbock.   

It's one thing to have a poor offensive outing...anybody can...it's another to have the flop of a decade against a team you've been competitive with in recent year, using a scheme you've beaten them with and players supposedly familiar with the scheme.
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2010, 03:36:46 PM »
I think it's his new haircut
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2010, 03:45:39 PM »
I think it's his new haircut

That's what Delilah said. 
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2010, 03:47:55 PM »
This just vindicates our getting rid of his ass........he was never going to shed this mentality.
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2010, 03:59:31 PM »
This just vindicates our getting rid of his ass........he was never going to shed this mentality.

Tubs is a good coach IMO, but yes, hard headed...that can work in your favor at times.  At any rate, if he wasn't going to commit to it, he should have just said, we're moving to a run/play defense style of football here at Tech, and that's who we're going to be.   I'd be more inclined to give the guy a couple of years to install what he wants to run, than I would to let him screw things up by pretending to be something he's got no intention of being.

GH, this is a prime example of what I was talking about on TOS...unwavering commitment to what you do.  Tubs IS, in fact, unwaveringly committed to run and defense, but is trying to dally in spread passing.  Doomed to failure!
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2010, 05:45:08 PM »
You cant compare the air raid of leach and Oklahoma st's new guy to the neal brown/tony Franklin version. Completely different systems.
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2010, 05:51:35 PM »
You cant compare the air raid of leach and Oklahoma st's new guy to the neal brown/tony Franklin version. Completely different systems.

This.
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2010, 06:47:14 PM »
You cant compare the air raid of leach and Oklahoma st's new guy to the neal brown/tony Franklin version. Completely different systems.

This.

Ummmm, I'm sorta at a loss, but I'm willing to listen to what either or both of you have to say!  Tell me what the difference is.
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #8 on: September 22, 2010, 07:08:15 PM »
Well for one the air raid throws the ball about 80% of the time and the Tony Franklin system uses closer to a 50/50 split.

Btw: will you now agree with me that daren bates is playing a true linebacker position? I remember we had the argument where you said he would be more of a nickle-linebacker and wouldn't play mike, will, sam. So far through three games it sure looks like he is playing a true OLB position. 
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2010, 07:29:05 PM »
Well for one the air raid throws the ball about 80% of the time and the Tony Franklin system uses closer to a 50/50 split.

Btw: will you now agree with me that daren bates is playing a true linebacker position? I remember we had the argument where you said he would be more of a nickle-linebacker and wouldn't play mike, will, sam. So far through three games it sure looks like he is playing a true OLB position.

On Bates, yes, you win that one. 

While I agree with you that at Troy, Franklin ran the ball more than most Air Raid guys, it was because he had an athletic QB.  His time at Auburn doesn't count.  Franklin, admittedly is more willing to run the ball, and I think he even admits that.    But if you say they're not comparable based on that, then I guess Im forced to agree.  Leach will normally be 2 to 1 pass attempts to run attempts.  Franklin will normally be closer to 1 to 1, but slightly heavy on pass.  They're both considered Mumme-Air Raid guys.  The Air Raid is a very distinct system.  To say they're completly different systems is an error.  To say they call plays differently from one another...I agree.

 
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2010, 08:13:49 PM »
On Bates, yes, you win that one. 

While I agree with you that at Troy, Franklin ran the ball more than most Air Raid guys, it was because he had an athletic QB.  His time at Auburn doesn't count.  Franklin, admittedly is more willing to run the ball, and I think he even admits that.    But if you say they're not comparable based on that, then I guess Im forced to agree.  Leach will normally be 2 to 1 pass attempts to run attempts.  Franklin will normally be closer to 1 to 1, but slightly heavy on pass.  They're both considered Mumme-Air Raid guys.  The Air Raid is a very distinct system.  To say they're completly different systems is an error.  To say they call plays differently from one another...I agree.

 

Yeah you are right that 'completely different' was an exaggeration. They are most definitely related.

i was just bringing up the fact that despite still using a spread based system, TTU fans are going to have to get used to not flinging the ball around quite so much. And that isn't just a Tuberville thing, it's a Neal Brown thing. 
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Re: Deja vue all over again?
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2010, 01:01:05 AM »
Yeah you are right that 'completely different' was an exaggeration. They are most definitely related.

i was just bringing up the fact that despite still using a spread based system, TTU fans are going to have to get used to not flinging the ball around quite so much. And that isn't just a Tuberville thing, it's a Neal Brown thing.

Currently, Brown is throwing it about 61% of the time.  As I said, Franklin admits he'll run it if it's there, but he's not looking to run.  I think I heard Leach quoted one time as saying he had a goal of calling a game with 100% passes.

At any rate, it appears that the offense is suffering under Tubs...imagine that. 
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