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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: CCTAU on June 16, 2010, 01:43:03 PM
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When are young mouthy punk-ass kids gonna learn the just because you have a cell phone on video, don't mean you won't get punched in the mouth if you piss off the po-po? The man with the gun is in charge. I see the cop as the victim here. Resist arrest, get the horns....
Unfortunately, the talking shitbags playing the video have no idea what happened prior to the video and have no regard for the officer's well being. An outside individual stepped in and pushed the officer. That is assault. The last I heard, you assault an officer, you better get your money's worth. Cause that ass is gonna hurt eventually.
Seattle police guild defends officer's teen punch
AP
Caught on Tape: Cop Punches Girl Play Video ABC News – Caught on Tape: Cop Punches Girl
Wed Jun 16, 9:25 am ET
SEATTLE – The president of the Seattle Police Officers Guild says an officer was justified in punching a young woman who shoved him in a dispute over jaywalking.
Rich O'Neil told KCPQ-TV that punching her in the face was an appropriate use of force as the officer struggled with two women and a crowd formed. O'Neil says it's wrong to call the punch police brutality or racist.
Cell phone video shows Officer Ian P. Walsh trying to control two women Monday and punching a 17-year-old in the face.
Acting deputy police chief Nick Metz has said the women bear much of the responsibility for resisting arrest.
Seattle Urban League CEO James Kelly says the punch was an overreaction that brought to mind a video taken April 17 of two Seattle officers kicking a Hispanic suspect.
Police are conducting an internal investigation.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_police_punch (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_police_punch)
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I'm sure the Police IAD in lirbrulville will find that this officer's action was not an appropriate "Measured Response" to being shoved...he'll have to do some Community Service and take a mandatory course in Conflict Management along with some self-flagellation.
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I'm sure the Police IAD in lirbrulville will find that this officer's action was not an appropriate "Measured Response" to being shoved...he'll have to do some Community Service and take a mandatory course in Conflict Management along with some self-flagellation.
Don't know what they'll find or rule. I can tell you this, that no police training has punching in the face as part of the training and teaching curriculum. I doubt that there's any policy in any police agency that suggests a punch in the face as a proper tactic for gaining control of a suspect. I've seen the video. It's not pretty. Clearly the officer lost his cool. The flip side of "mess with the cops, get the horn"...is that the cop who can't maintain his composure while doing his job might get the horn too. This situation, IMO, based on the snippet of video I saw, was a clear cut case of justifiable use of force, and pepper spray, maybe even a taser might have been appropriate, but a punch in the face probably violates policy under these circumstances, or at the least was a response in anger, and not a needed to accomplish the mission at hand.
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Don't know what they'll find or rule. I can tell you this, that no police training has punching in the face as part of the training and teaching curriculum. I doubt that there's any policy in any police agency that suggests a punch in the face as a proper tactic for gaining control of a suspect. I've seen the video. It's not pretty. Clearly the officer lost his cool. The flip side of "mess with the cops, get the horn"...is that the cop who can't maintain his composure while doing his job might get the horn too. This situation, IMO, based on the snippet of video I saw, was a clear cut case of justifiable use of force, and pepper spray, maybe even a taser might have been appropriate, but a punch in the face probably violates policy under these circumstances, or at the least was a response in anger, and not a needed to accomplish the mission at hand.
how about a donkey punch? Is that ok?
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At about 1:15, the video says that Seattle police are authorized to use a punch if necessary. If you notice, the assailant was larger than the officer. Bottom line is shut your mouth and talk to the officer. From what is being reported, the officer wanted to talk to her about the jay-walking and she did not want to talk. Sounds like she should have talked and maybe her younger bigger cousin would have kept her hands to herself.
But hey, since there are those out there who think that an officer should not be allowed to punch you in the face, give it a shot. You may be right. Or you may just tote an ass-whooping. I prefer to answer questions rather than shove an officer of the law.
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Don't know what they'll find or rule. I can tell you this, that no police training has punching in the face as part of the training and teaching curriculum. I doubt that there's any policy in any police agency that suggests a punch in the face as a proper tactic for gaining control of a suspect. I've seen the video. It's not pretty. Clearly the officer lost his cool. The flip side of "mess with the cops, get the horn"...is that the cop who can't maintain his composure while doing his job might get the horn too. This situation, IMO, based on the snippet of video I saw, was a clear cut case of justifiable use of force, and pepper spray, maybe even a taser might have been appropriate, but a punch in the face probably violates policy under these circumstances, or at the least was a response in anger, and not a needed to accomplish the mission at hand.
He should have used a taser...much more entertaining...and an effective projection of force.
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At about 1:15, the video says that Seattle police are authorized to use a punch if necessary. If you notice, the assailant was larger than the officer. Bottom line is shut your mouth and talk to the officer. From what is being reported, the officer wanted to talk to her about the jay-walking and she did not want to talk. Sounds like she should have talked and maybe her younger bigger cousin would have kept her hands to herself.
But hey, since there are those out there who think that an officer should not be allowed to punch you in the face, give it a shot. You may be right. Or you may just tote an ass-whooping. I prefer to answer questions rather than shove and officer of the law.
I certainly concur that acting calm, and answering questions is the best course. I heard what was said on the video, but often such reports are inaccurate, and it must be a reasonable use of force. Reasonable meaning the force necessary to effect a lawful arrest, or to stop an immient threat. I watched the video, when the punch was thrown, the officer advanced on her (a 17 year old girl that was unarmed). He clearly had cause to arrest based on their conduct, and cause to use the force needed to effect that arrest. And if he had any training at all, then he could have used some PPCT (Pressure Point Control Tactics) moves, or even a strike more in line with normal police baton or ASP training. (I don't know what they carry.) A taser would have been perfectly acceptable, as would pepper spray. Had the girl been advancing on him with a weapon, then clearly ANY strike would have been justified to save his own life or prevent serious bodily injury. That wasn't the case. Also, the video I've seen didn't show him arresting the girl he punched. That's not good either. If you have to use force on someone, you need to arrest them. Maybe he did and that wasn't shown. Under the circumstances, I doubt he gets fired, but he could be put through some remidial training, and from what I saw, that wouldn't be a bad idea. You can rest assured a civil action is forthcoming, and the department's written policies regarding use of force, and his training will be scrutinized heavily.
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He should have used a taser...much more entertaining...and an effective projection of force.
While I don't think we pay police to "entertain us", or to "project force" for the sake of showing how powerful they are with their badges and guns, a taser would have been much easier to justify here under most taser policies, and under the circumstances. A really good "projection of force" is pulling out a taser with a strong commmand and warning. Getting pissed and cold cocking a 17 year old girl probably isn't the best method.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk&feature=related#)
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While I don't think we pay police to "entertain us", or to "project force" for the sake of showing how powerful they are with their badges and guns, a taser would have been much easier to justify here under most taser policies, and under the circumstances. A really good "projection of force" is pulling out a taser with a strong commmand and warning. Getting pissed and cold cocking a 17 year old girl probably isn't the best method.
I liked it. All yutes should be showed this video as a good "reason to shut the hell up". Did you notice the assailant was larger than the officer? And how many times have you been assailed by a larger person and stepped back to use your "alternate" methods of subduing someone? I think he should have called for backup and whipped everybody's ass.
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I liked it. All yutes should be showed this video as a good "reason to shut the hell up". Did you notice the assailant was larger than the officer? And how many times have you been assailed by a larger person and stepped back to use your "alternate" methods of subduing someone? I think he should have called for backup and whipped everybody's ass.
Assailant? Bigger? She was an unruly 17 year old female that was, at most, an inch taller, and probably within 10 pounds one way or the other of the cop, supposedly a trained cop. You don't think your sensationalizing and embellishing her, and her threat says anything about the situation?
As I said, clearly force was justified. The chose method was questionable. Not sure if you're aware of it, but police are not charged with the duty of "whipping ass", nor do I want them to be. Maybe you do, but it's not in keeping with the Constitution, which you seem to really support by your support of these candidates who are pro Constitution. Doubt seriously you really desire to live in a police state where cops get to dispense street justice. You might think you do, but I don't think you really do.
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Assailant? Bigger? She was an unruly 17 year old female that was, at most, an inch taller, and probably within 10 pounds one way or the other of the cop, supposedly a trained cop. You don't think your sensationalizing and embellishing her, and her threat says anything about the situation?
As I said, clearly force was justified. The chose method was questionable. Not sure if you're aware of it, but police are not charged with the duty of "whipping ass", nor do I want them to be. Maybe you do, but it's not in keeping with the Constitution, which you seem to really support by your support of these candidates who are pro Constitution. Doubt seriously you really desire to live in a police state where cops get to dispense street justice. You might think you do, but I don't think you really do.
There are times. This was one of them. I liked Rodney King's ass whooping too.
Had a couple of friends in high school. They were out drinking and stopped at a convenience store. Cops pulled up and smelled alcohol. Asked them to step out of the truck. Asked them if they had any weapons. One of them pulled a .44 from under the seat and non-threateningly held it up and said, "you mean like this". And put back under the seat. They whipped both asses with billy clubs. The next day was pretty rough when they sobered up. They did not threaten anyone, but they acted in a way that deserved an ass whipping.
Sometimes an ass needs whipping. This girl needed whipping. When the cop came at her, she pushed him away again. Don't touch the officer. That is po-po 101 on da skreets. Who is our resident skreeter?
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There are times. This was one of them. I liked Rodney King's ass whooping too.
Had a couple of friends in high school. They were out drinking and stopped at a convenience store. Cops pulled up and smelled alcohol. Asked them to step out of the truck. Asked them if they had any weapons. One of them pulled a .44 from under the seat and non-threateningly held it up and said, "you mean like this". And put back under the seat. They whipped both asses with billy clubs. The next day was pretty rough when they sobered up. They did not threaten anyone, but they acted in a way that deserved an ass whipping.
Sometimes an ass needs whipping. This girl needed whipping. When the cop came at her, she pushed him away again. Don't touch the officer. That is po-po 101 on da skreets. Who is our resident skreeter?
If you want to live in a world where cops deliver asswhippin's for general purposes, I'm glad you're not running this place.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcMQVCSdk-M# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcMQVCSdk-M#)
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Let me first say, it's always easier to sit back and say how it should have been handled. With that said.....
This officer just put his career on the line for a 17 year old jaywalker? Really? I don't think he was wrong in using force, but he should've had her on the ground and restrained long before cousin beefcake decided to act. His problem was he was being a pussy (indecisive). He knew he couldn't just let her resist and walk away, but he didn't really want to fight a female. No law enforcement officer wants to be on the tv or in the paper for whipping some girl's ass. It's just not cool. Once he decided to use hands on though, he should have treated her like he would anyone else. Put her on the ground with minimal force and restrain her. THEN, deal with the beastly friend.
OR.......
He could have confronted the teens with a laid back approach and talked with the ladies about not jaywalking. Most hostile situations can be controlled by the officers initial response. If he comes up to them pointing and shouting, they are going to be defensive. Then the situation will most likely take a course the officer doesn't want it to take. It's much easier being laid back and giving warnings in bullshit situations like jaywalking. No sense and getting all "I'm the fucking LAW!!!!" on a couple of teenage girls walking in the street. I'm sure he's learned something from this situation.
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Let me first say, it's always easier to sit back and say how it should have been handled. With that said.....
This officer just put his career on the line for a 17 year old jaywalker? Really? I don't think he was wrong in using force, but he should've had her on the ground and restrained long before cousin beefcake decided to act. His problem was he was being a pussy (indecisive). He knew he couldn't just let her resist and walk away, but he didn't really want to fight a female. No law enforcement officer wants to be on the tv or in the paper for whipping some girl's ass. It's just not cool. Once he decided to use hands on though, he should have treated her like he would anyone else. Put her on the ground with minimal force and restrain her. THEN, deal with the beastly friend.
OR.......
He could have confronted the teens with a laid back approach and talked with the ladies about not jaywalking. Most hostile situations can be controlled by the officers initial response. If he comes up to them pointing and shouting, they are going to be defensive. Then the situation will most likely take a course the officer doesn't want it to take. It's much easier being laid back and giving warnings in bullpoop situations like jaywalking. No sense and getting all "I'm the phuking LAW!!!!" on a couple of teenage girls walking in the street. I'm sure he's learned something from this situation.
Cop must have had some Indian blood in him. Family descended from the Slapaho Tribe.
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Let me first say, it's always easier to sit back and say how it should have been handled. With that said.....
This officer just put his career on the line for a 17 year old jaywalker? Really? I don't think he was wrong in using force, but he should've had her on the ground and restrained long before cousin beefcake decided to act. His problem was he was being a pussy (indecisive). He knew he couldn't just let her resist and walk away, but he didn't really want to fight a female. No law enforcement officer wants to be on the tv or in the paper for whipping some girl's ass. It's just not cool. Once he decided to use hands on though, he should have treated her like he would anyone else. Put her on the ground with minimal force and restrain her. THEN, deal with the beastly friend.
OR.......
He could have confronted the teens with a laid back approach and talked with the ladies about not jaywalking. Most hostile situations can be controlled by the officers initial response. If he comes up to them pointing and shouting, they are going to be defensive. Then the situation will most likely take a course the officer doesn't want it to take. It's much easier being laid back and giving warnings in bullshit situations like jaywalking. No sense and getting all "I'm the fucking LAW!!!!" on a couple of teenage girls walking in the street. I'm sure he's learned something from this situation.
Yep. I've been in law enforcement for the last 17 years in one form or another. Every dept. has them...the guys that are always having to fight, use force, spray people, taser folks, charge folks with resisting...the guys that can turn jaywalking in to a CNN Event. And then you have the other 80%+ of the guys on the force that somehow manage to avoid all or most of these things for the majority if not all of their careers. The majority of the guys that want to run around playin "John Law" usually manage to toe the line and are able to justify it. A small minority manage, at some point, to lose their cool and over step their bounds, and get fired, or are constantly being reprimanded and sued.
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While I don't think we pay police to "entertain us", or to "project force" for the sake of showing how powerful they are with their badges and guns, a taser would have been much easier to justify here under most taser policies, and under the circumstances. A really good "projection of force" is pulling out a taser with a strong commmand and warning. Getting pissed and cold cocking a 17 year old girl probably isn't the best method.
Thanks, Counselor. For the benefit of the jury, my post was made firmly as a tongue-in-cheek statement especially regarding the entertainment factor.
But...I do think that the officer should have used the taser...not just brandished it with a verbal command.
Now get the hell off of my lawn!
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http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/authorities_identify_teen_who.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/authorities_identify_teen_who.html)
Surprised this wasn't posted yet. Homewood PD apparently found some teens breaking into a vehicle and tased one. The kid later died at UAB hospital. I do not believe he was "tased to death", but the taser may have contributed to his demise.
Either way, no one should be fired or suspended without pay. The Homewood PD shouldn't be responsible either. Yeah, it sucks that the kid died, but it was his choice to commit a felony. I'm not saying the consequence should be death, but we all face consequences for our actions.
Family should point the finger at the kid's parents instead of the Homewood PD.
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Public canings would solve all of this shit. Until it was some black kid getting caned. Then we would hear all of the old tired slavery quotes.
Regardless of race, religion, or national origin, a lot of the crap the police have to put up with would diminish.
There was not much of an uproar when the white boy (Michael Fay) got caned in some Asian country (Singapore) a few years back.
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I am no fan of the Po-Po. I have actually been beat down by The Man.
But I understand the need for them and I will give them respect. At least to their faces. If you lay a hand on a police officer in a non-defensive move, you deserve whatever asswhippin' you are bound to get. Not because the cop is justified, but because you are stupid.
And quit crying about the punch to the face. If it was a male perp, this wouldn't have made the news. I got news for some of you as well, you would much rather take a shot to the chops from some sawed off runt than a face full of pepper spray or a taser. They are both much worse.
A punch to the nose is the original non-lethal method of subduing an attacker.
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or he could just tasered them for my amusement.
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Thanks, Counselor. For the benefit of the jury, my post was made firmly as a tongue-in-cheek statement especially regarding the entertainment factor.
But...I do think that the officer should have used the taser...not just brandished it with a verbal command.
Now get the hell off of my lawn!
Ok, get the toungue in cheek thing.
As a matter of course, verbal commands come right before use of force. It's a police thing. Wasn't suggesting merely making a threat, but not following through. Anyway...yeah, they should have been pepper sprayed and/or tasered IMHO.
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Public canings would solve all of this shit. Until it was some black kid getting caned. Then we would hear all of the old tired slavery quotes.
Regardless of race, religion, or national origin, a lot of the crap the police have to put up with would diminish.
There was not much of an uproar when the white boy (Michael Fay) got caned in some Asian country (Singapore) a few years back.
I'm starting to understand you more and more.
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Ok, get the toungue in cheek thing.
As a matter of course, verbal commands come right before use of force. It's a police thing. Wasn't suggesting merely making a threat, but not following through. Anyway...yeah, they should have been pepper sprayed and/or tasered IMHO.
Sometimes it takes a Sommelier to figure out my sense of humor.
On a serious note I do understand the protocols of the police use of force; I do have a very good friend who is a cop. It's a tough job to be sure. My Grandfather and Uncle were both Sheriff's Deputies but in their day the use of force involved a revolver, a truncheon, and fists in the part of North Carolina where I'm from originally anyway.
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I'm starting to understand you more and more.
Put corporal punishment back in schools, too. Then we would see a country that would excel in education. We have allowed liberalism to spoil the child. Hell we have spoiled a whole segment of society with it.
When we were growing up, we never would have dreamed of putting a hand on a cop and walking away. We were taught to respect the law and the law was given the leeway to make a few judgment calls. Then lawyers got involved and cops lost the leeway and the respect. They just became tools of the court.
We as a country got away from common sense and started to judge EVERYTHING on legality. Now our law is not a deterrent to any persons bent on becoming a criminal. And cops are treated with disdain.
I know. I know. Get the hell off my lawn you young sissy pukes.
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Things are different now. The recording device in the above picture is to be worn while on shift and must be recording anytime we deal with the general public in official capacity. Very clear video and audio.
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Put corporal punishment back in schools, too. Then we would see a country that would excel in education. We have allowed liberalism to spoil the child. Hell we have spoiled a whole segment of society with it.
When we were growing up, we never would have dreamed of putting a hand on a cop and walking away. We were taught to respect the law and the law was given the leeway to make a few judgment calls. Then lawyers got involved and cops lost the leeway and the respect. They just became tools of the court.
We as a country got away from common sense and started to judge EVERYTHING on legality. Now our law is not a deterrent to any persons bent on becoming a criminal. And cops are treated with disdain.
I know. I know. Get the hell off my lawn you young sissy pukes.
All is fault of lawyers! I should've guessed.
I know it's nice to think that things have changed drastically...they haven't. There's always been law abiding citizens, and law breakers. Cops have had to fight, and have been shot at since the first one to strap on a gun and badge.
I think it's funny how all you "law and order" types, also get pissed about things being judge on "legality", (gotta say that's one of the funniest things I've ever read) and hate it that the law applies to cops and bad guys too.
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Why can't we go back to the good old days, when laws were a deterrent to criminals and good down-home folks respected the cops?
Respectfully,
John Dillinger
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Why can't we go back to the good old days, when laws were a deterrent to criminals and good down-home folks respected the cops?
Respectfully,
John Dillinger
Let's start a petition on that!
Signed,
Lester M. "Baby Face Nelson" Gillis
Bonnie Parker
Clyde Barrow
George "Machine Gun" Kelley
Al Capone
Charles Arthur "Pretty Boy" Floyd
Richard Loeb
Nathan Leopold
Kate 'Ma' Barker
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Let's start a petition on that!
Signed,
Lester M. "Baby Face Nelson" Gillis
Bonnie Parker
Clyde Barrow
George "Machine Gun" Kelley
Al Capone
Charles Arthur "Pretty Boy" Floyd
Richard Loeb
Nathan Leopold
Kate 'Ma' Barker
Aaahhhh....the good old days.
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Aaahhhh....the good old days.
It will really be the good ol' days when we can get back to the government and it's agents making decisions on the spot about things without regard "the legality of it all" on such things as who needs their ass whipped, health care, cleaning up major ecological disaters, etc. etc.
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It will really be the good ol' days when we can get back to the government and it's agents making decisions on the spot about things without regard "the legality of it all" on such things as who needs their ass whipped, health care, cleaning up major ecological disaters, etc. etc.
I'm reporting you to the Moderators...you need to take that sarcasm to another thread sir! :poke:
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Why can't we go back to the good old days, when laws were a deterrent to criminals and good down-home folks respected the cops?
Respectfully,
John Dillinger
Yes! Exactly!
What?
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I'm reporting you to the Moderators...you need to take that sarcasm to another thread sir! :poke:
your sarcasm noting my sarcasm has been duly noted Mr.!
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All lawyers should be caned....just for he hell of it!
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All lawyers should be caned....just for he hell of it!
shouldn't decisions like that be left up to gov't or gov't agents?
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All lawyers should be caned....just for he hell of it!
I could go for this...
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I could go for this...
Your warn meter just jumped into the red.
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Your warn meter just jumped into the red.
The guy in charge of the warn meter just joined the lawyer in the canning queue. Batter up....
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The guy in charge of the warn meter just joined the lawyer in the canning queue. Batter up....
What are we canning, peaches?
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What are we canning, peaches?
Green beans.
How many of you grew up with a mom that canned? A LOT!
I was so sick of green beans. I don't care if you called them snap beans, they were just as annoying to prepare. And purple hull peas. I HATED THOSE. I think we canned or froze anything possible.
Now we get everything from the store already prepared as well as our old canning process did it.
Does anyone eat fresh from the garden any longer?
Oh yeah. Cane the gay lawyers extra.
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I have canned some in the past, but don't currently have a place to grow a garden.
Made some of the hottest damn vodka you ever could imagine by canning jalapeno peppers in it. Made a fucking smokin' hot bloody mary.
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Green beans.
How many of you grew up with a mom that canned? A LOT!
I was so sick of green beans. I don't care if you called them snap beans, they were just as annoying to prepare. And purple hull peas. I HATED THOSE. I think we canned or froze anything possible.
Now we get everything from the store already prepared as well as our old canning process did it.
Does anyone eat fresh from the garden any longer?
Oh yeah. Cane the gay lawyers extra.
:thumsup:
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Green beans.
How many of you grew up with a mom that canned? A LOT!
I was so sick of green beans. I don't care if you called them snap beans, they were just as annoying to prepare. And purple hull peas. I HATED THOSE. I think we canned or froze anything possible.
Now we get everything from the store already prepared as well as our old canning process did it.
Does anyone eat fresh from the garden any longer?
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Yeah, my Mom and Grandparents used to can and pickle home grown veggies all the time.
What were we talking about again? I lost my train of thought. ...I hope they're not serving green jello again today...
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What are we canning, peaches?
would be your nuts - but I have heard from good sources that they no longer exist. This applies to others here as well.
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would be your nuts - but I have heard from good sources that they no longer exist. This applies to others here as well.
My nuts exist and would do just fine on your chin. :moon:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGAI4r3X6lk&feature=related#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGAI4r3X6lk&feature=related#ws)
Hate to get this subject back on topic, but wow. That is the worst "police brutality" video that I've ever seen. I would fire that guy immediately, and not just because he punched a girl in the face. I would fire him because he can't handle the job. Not one aspect of it, other than maybe writing traffic citations to soccer moms and senior citizens.
He acted like a pussy, so they treated him like a pussy. I'm embarrassed for that guy and his police department. I guaran-fucking-tee 999999 out of 1000000 law enforcement officers would have handled that situation MUCH better than that bullshit. If he can't physically handle a 5'8 160 pound passive resistant jaywalker, what the fuck is he going to do with a 220 pound asshole who isn't going back to jail/prison?
Fucking embarrassment.
And kudos to the people surrounding that incident. I'm sure it was hard to just stand there and watch without wanting to help the girl out...regardless of her crime. Johnnie Law is lucking he didn't get his ass whipped by that mob.
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Things are different now. The recording device in the above picture is to be worn while on shift and must be recording anytime we deal with the general public in official capacity. Very clear video and audio.
We recently got cameras similar to these for all of our officers. They have already paid off 3 times so far, twice in a good way, once in a bad way. It's good for both sides of it.
As far as the Homewood shit goes: shit happens. We have a guy in our jail right now who shows his ass on a weekly basis and when you pull the taser out when he becomes aggressive or non compliant, the first words out of his mouth are "YOU CAN'T TASE ME I HAVE A HEART CONDITION! I'LL SUE!", even though he can't cite what specific heart condition he has. The kid in Homewood probably had some underlying condition that he didn't know about. If he wasn't committing a felony, he never would have had to worry about it.