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From the frontpage of Orangebloods.com:
"Six Big 12 schools being invited by the Pac-10 for expansion - Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Colorado - are all expected to accept and begin play in the country's first super conference in 2012."
Who do we want?
I say we snag Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina.
Up the ante in basketball and keep up with the football race.
From the frontpage of Orangebloods.com:
"Six Big 12 schools being invited by the Pac-10 for expansion - Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Colorado - are all expected to accept and begin play in the country's first super conference in 2012."
Who do we want?
I say we snag Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina.
Up the ante in basketball and keep up with the football race.
From the frontpage of Orangebloods.com:We don't need any of them. The SEC is what the other schools are trying to re-align and compete with. Addition will just dilute the SEC.
"Six Big 12 schools being invited by the Pac-10 for expansion - Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Colorado - are all expected to accept and begin play in the country's first super conference in 2012."
Who do we want?
I say we snag Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina.
Up the ante in basketball and keep up with the football race.
I say we snag Virginia Tech, Florida State, Clemson, and North Carolina.Might be a struggle for Carolina, but I like it!
Up the ante in basketball and keep up with the football race.
Might be a struggle for Carolina, but I like it!Carolina will stick with their BB brethren. They are in one of the top BB conferences as it is. Them vs Duke every year is too big of a deal in that state for them to split up.
Carolina will stick with their BB brethren. They are in one of the top BB conferences as it is. Them vs Duke every year is too big of a deal in that state for them to split up.
We don't need anyone else in the SEC. We are the number 1 football conference as it is. Let all them other goomers shuffle around and do whatever the phuk they want to do. At the end of the season, most of the time, they'll be playing one of our teams for all the marbles anyways.
Our TV contract is set for the next few years. You want to add a few teams now and cut every other current SEC team's payout? If you add more teams now, just remember that it will be coming out of our own pockets.
phuk them other teams. We have the best deal going right now. Let them scratch for theirs.
There is no team adjacent to the SEC that will add anything more than what we already have. phuk them.
The SEC pioneered expansion damn near 20 years ago when yall added us and USC east. Yall done good.
Sucks for the rest of the college football scene that it took so long to figger things out. We're already in the catbird seat, let the rest of them play musical chairs.
At the end of the phuking year, whoever wins the SEC will be in the National Championship Game most every time. Why would any SEC member want to phuk with the formula we already have in place?
We are set. Don't tread on me. I'll bite yore ass.
Honestly - you know as good as we do that Arky and SCe were added because the Texas and FSU deals fell through. Bobby backed down at the last minute and Ann Richards wasn't letting Texas go without aTm. The SEC didn't want aTm so that was the end of that. But I do think Arky has done well. I can't say the same for USCe except for giving the Uggers occasional fits.
I have to agree though in part. I really don't want the SEC to react by knee jerk. The Pac-10 as been seeing the writing on the wall; and now that their money maker is bout to suffer greatly (Trojans), they have made a move to stay alive. Again, the only way I would be for an increase in members is by equal. This is the elite club and you best know to do your part or don't f'n bother. The Big 12 teams really want no part in the SEC because its a death match every round here bitches.
The SEC is being unusually reactive here though. I wish Slive was being a little more proactive and making calls right now. Hell, invite Texas and aTm to the West and FSU/GT to the East.
Honestly - you know as good as we do that Arky and SCe were added because the Texas and FSU deals fell through. Bobby backed down at the last minute and Ann Richards wasn't letting Texas go without aTm. The SEC didn't want aTm so that was the end of that. But I do think Arky has done well. I can't say the same for USCe except for giving the Uggers occasional fits.You don't know squat. Your history book needs revising.
We don't need any of them. The SEC is what the other schools are trying to re-align and compete with. Addition will just dilute the SEC.
An SEC team will meet whoever in the NCG most years and whup they ass more often than not.
We're fine. The SEC ain't broke. Talent or moneywise.
No matter what they do, they will have to go through the SEC to win a National Championship with the teams that we already have 9 times out of 10. History will repeat itself.
I agree with the tittied one on this. THEY are trying to compete with us. We shouldn't bring in anyone, the SEC is perfect right now.
Funny how the one school that started all this, Mizzou, is going to get fucked over by both the Big10 and the Pac10.
I see the Big 10 adding... Notre Dame.
You don't know squat. Your history book needs revising.
By the way. Here's a monkey phuking a football. Enjoy.
http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/6/7/1506558/adventures-of-the-big-12-twelve (http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/6/7/1506558/adventures-of-the-big-12-twelve)
I don't think the Big 10 is done taking new teams.
Nebraska got it started.
The Pac 10 will get Colorado, Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma St.
I am with Tits. 16 is way too many teams. Let's leave it alone.
Think of this. If we go to 16 teams, we will have to play everyone in our division. That is 7 games. I don't want to lose our UGA rivalry, but it honestly wouldn't be fair for Auburn to play UGA every year, or UA to play UT, and LSU to play UF...while the rest of the west plays Vandy, Kentucky and USCe. How would scheduling work? We would play UT and UF once every 7 or 8 years? phuk that.
I like it how it is...
What about Mizzou to the SEC? Two big TV markets in St Louis and KC. And let's be honest, the TV market is why Clemson or F$U haven't been invited. They don't add anything in terms of that.
Let's say we expand to 14, and add MU and Virginia Tech?
Make it Mizzou and UNC and Im cool with it.
I could dig that.
Ok, sure. If you don't think the state Legislature of Texas was not involved in Texas not coming to the SEC in 1990, then keep believing that. Let me rephrase: The SEC took ONLY Arkansas and USCe after the Texas and FSU deals fell through. Texas and Arky were to go to the West and USCe and FSU to the East. Kramer really screwed up the FSU deal.You're using Finebaum as your source? Finebaum?
http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html (http://blog.al.com/press-register-sports/2010/04/finebaum_how_texas_nearly_join.html)
You're using Finebaum as your source? Finebaum?F-bomb is a poor source and a Bamer, but there might be some truth to his words on occaisions where the fate of the entire conference is concerned, especially before he was recruited into the Saban fold.
F-bomb is a poor source and a Bamer, but there might be some truth to his words on occaisions where the fate of the entire conference is concerned, especially before he was recruited into the Saban fold.We were already accepted before Texas and the Aggies decided they might want to join. The SEC would have taken Texas but didn't want the Aggies. The Texas legislature got their panties in a wad and made it hard for the two to be seperated.
You're using Finebaum as your source? Finebaum?
Colorado has just joined the Pac-10, Down goes Frazier..
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5271438)Damn, that's almost evil.
Yep. Colorado was going to make damn sure Baylor didn't ride UT's coat tails. I don't blame them. This is the first domino to fall and the whole college landscape is about to change dramatically.
I still hope we stick with our same 12. Or get rid of USCe and Arkansas and pick up FSU and Texas...hahahaha
When its his OPINION? Yeah, I hate him. But this was a simple "how it was back in 1990" article he wrote and there was nothing false in it. I think we agree here titz, its just a matter of semantics.We were already in the SEC before Texas tried to jump. We weren't the fall back option. One of the great covert actions by Frank Broyles.
We were already in the SEC before Texas tried to jump. We weren't the fall back option. One of the great covert actions by Frank Broyles.
We jumped first, which soon led to the demise of the SWC.
Quote from: GH2001 on June 09, 2010, 10:22:36 PM
Honestly - you know as good as we do that Arky and SCe were added because the Texas and FSU deals fell through. Bobby backed down at the last minute and Ann Richards wasn't letting Texas go without aTm. The SEC didn't want aTm so that was the end of that. But I do think Arky has done well. I can't say the same for USCe except for giving the Uggers occasional fits.
I also clarified it saying this is why ONLY Arky and USCe went into the SEC. It was suppose to be more but FSU and Texas happened. Thats all I was saying. Like I said - semantics.You still don't get it. We were already in the SEC BEFORE Texas tried to get in. Their deal didn't fall through first.
You still don't get it. We were already in the SEC BEFORE Texas tried to get in. Their deal didn't fall through first.
Did you even read the link to the Texas Monthly magazine. The part about Texas and A&M thinking about FOLLOWING Arkansas to the SEC? GAH.
On another note, check this out.
http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html (http://www.kctv5.com/sports/23860558/detail.html)
Yes, and what I am saying is only half of the original plan took place. Big picture here titz. No need to take out your aggression for Texas on me. The SEC had wanted Texas and FSU a LONG time before Arky and SC entered in. The long term plan was to have all 4 teams. Arky and SC were easy, no hurdles - done. Like I said - Texas and FSU were a different story.
No one is belittling Arky or SC here. Just saying they were only half the original long term plan.
Yes, and what I am saying is only half of the original plan took place. Big picture here titz. No need to take out your aggression for Texas on me. The SEC had wanted Texas and FSU a LONG time before Arky and SC entered in. The long term plan was to have all 4 teams. Arky and SC were easy, no hurdles - done. Like I said - Texas and FSU were a different story.Frank Broyles had talked to folks in the SEC in 1987 about Arkansas joining. (He just happened to mention that on a local radio show today) As soon as they decided to expand, we were in. Independently of anything pertaining to any Texas teams. We were the first team invited, Broyles said. He was involved in the negotiations, I think he ought to know.
No one is belittling Arky or SC here. Just saying they were only half the original long term plan.
arky isn't concerned...they're 5 deep @ conferences.I rolf'd in my pants.
There sure is a lot of talk of aTm to the SEC on EPSN. Arkansas look out.Look out for what? We just started a 10 year series with them last year. They are already on our schedule.
Look out for what? We just started a 10 year series with them last year. They are already on our schedule.
maybe so, but it is the media that has already elevated aTm as Arkansas' rival.
Defensive aint they?? Boartitz seems awful sensitive the last few days since the Texas schools have been brought up.I just don't like the motherfuckers. If they join the SEC, I'm sure you'll feel the same way soon enough.
I just don't like the motherphukers. If they join the SEC, I'm sure you'll feel the same way soon enough.
Arkansas was the only school in the old SWC that was not a Texas school. In fairness, the conference decided to not allow any Ref with Arkansas ties to officiate our games. That meant every conference game we ever played was officiated by an all Texas crew.
I was just raised up hating them phukers. All of them.
You do know who the A&M regent making the most noise about joining the SEC is, right? No other than Gene Stallings. Bammer and Aggie rolled into one. Is that who you want sharing our money?True, but the market there is what is attractive. A&M is third in profit among Big 12 schools. They are looking at the air distances to say Washington or Oregon, 1600-1700^ miles as opposed to 900 to Gainesville.The prelims indicated a Texas package deal to the Pac-10 but now we learn that Slive has been in contact with A&M for 2 months.
Our TV contract is set for the next few years. If we add members, that means all the schools in now get their shares cut.
I'm against any new members right now. Damn sure don't feel like paying them to join.
Defensive aint they?? Boartitz seems awful sensitive the last few days since the Texas schools have been brought up.
True, but the market there is what is attractive. A&M is third in profit among Big 12 schools. They are looking at the air distances to say Washington or Oregon, 1600-1700^ miles as opposed to 900 to Gainesville.The prelims indicated a Texas package deal to the Pac-10 but now we learn that Slive has been in contact with A&M for 2 months.What market? We have a TV deal with ESPN and CBS that shows us Nationwide. The Aggie neighborhood already gets us on TV. I don't give a fuck if they watch us or not.
What market? We have a TV deal with ESPN and CBS that shows us Nationwide. The Aggie neighborhood already gets us on TV. I don't give a phuk if they watch us or not.As an overall earner,Texas A&M is a top 20 program, top 15 in football. What does Slive want them for an ornament?
You're looking at this from the networks point of view. They'll be the ones to profit, not the SEC teams already locked into a multi-year contract.
As an overall earner,Texas A&M is a top 20 program, top 15 in football. What does Slive want them for an ornament?
I keep hearing blather on the radio about who should go where to make the best conference, and "If The U of _____ was in the SEC, they would lose 5 games a year"...etc. etc. This whole deal is about $$$$$$. Not a contest to see who can create the biggest badest lineup of top 10 teams. Expansion of TV markets, and revenue are the primary if not the ONLY considerations.
I keep hearing blather on the radio about who should go where to make the best conference, and "If The U of _____ was in the SEC, they would lose 5 games a year"...etc. etc. This whole deal is about $$$$$$. Not a contest to see who can create the biggest badest lineup of top 10 teams. Expansion of TV markets, and revenue are the primary if not the ONLY considerations.Well, that was sort of my aim. If it were simply about being competitive I would say throw TCU in with A&M.
As an overall earner,Texas A&M is a top 20 program, top 15 in football. What does Slive want them for an ornament?
Youre right, this is about TV Sets and Markets. If the SEC doesnt make a move to increase market and revenue this could have an effect on the schools in the SEC 5-10 years down the road - think money. I am for increasing the SEC by 2 teams though, not necessarily 4. I think UNC and Va Tech would bring in new markets and some BB credibility with UNC. UNC's BB market is HUUUGGGEEE...FSU and Ga Tech are good programs but really dont bring any more money or market to the table. Texas AM and Okl would as would VT and UNC.I'm with you on VaTech. Drawing Carolina away would be a real coup, but met with more internal resistance of nearly any other school except Duke.
Lets say for easy math sake, the SEC has revenue of 120 million amongst its 12 members = 10 million/per member. The added members HAVE to bring in 10 million per or better to make any deal worthwhile. Adding Okl, aTM, VT or UNC would allow the SEC leverage to renegotiate a bigger contract at the same time adding more market thus increasing this 10 million per team most likely. GT and FSU would likely bring the per team rate DOWN in the SEC.
What market? We have a TV deal with ESPN and CBS that shows us Nationwide. The Aggie neighborhood already gets us on TV. I don't give a fuck if they watch us or not.
Have to agree with titz and TW here. I too am not excited about adding members. If we do though, I wouldn't mind us taking GT and FSU. Purely for the rivalries that are partially there and could be built.
THIS. How can we get any bigger in terms of market than NATIONWIDE? EVERYONE watches the SEC - our games are certainly better than whatever bullpoop the PAC-10 is showing - same for the Big East.
UT will not come to the SEC. The SEC shares it's TV revenues equally. The Big 12 does not. TX gets a bigger portion than any other school in the league. They would probably lose money coming into the SEC. Plus they would lose a couple more games per year.
The PAC 1+15 would probably negotiate a sweetheart revenue sharing deal with TX. The SEC will not.
I hate UT as much as Boartitz. Fuck them and the goats they molested on the way in.
Wait until the PAC 10 and Big 10 get their new contracts. They will blow right by us in revenue.
The Big 10 already is higher than us in revenue.
Wait until the PAC 10 and Big 10 get their new contracts. They will blow right by us in revenue. The Big 10 already is higher than us in revenue. If you don't think that means something, think longterm. Revenue pays for everything - recruiting, facilities, etc. We do NOT need to get left behind in this.
phuk FSU. They were too pussy to join the SEC the first time around. I don't want to offer them a port in the storm.
I repeat: phuk FSU.
I agree it was pussy not to join the SEC but I imagine we looked real manly backing out the season opener when Tubs came in...without any justifiable reason.
...without any justifiable reason.
Reason 1: we sucked so bad Appy St almost beat us before they were any good.
Reason 2: Really no reason at all to get into a family squabble on national TV and lose the game and the squabble
Reason 3: Bobby said Hell No! We won't go!..............and that was that cause when your Bobby you are your own justification (unless the FBI/IRS/ATF/SEC/Interpol shut your damn money laundering sch......I mean your bank down)
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This is about FSU, not Auburn.
So, phuk you, Harvey, just for good measure.
Reason 1: we sucked so bad Appy St almost beat us before they were any good.
Reason 2: Really no reason at all to get into a family squabble on national TV and lose the game and the squabble
Reason 3: Bobby said Hell No! We won't go!..............and that was that cause when your Bobby you are your own justification (unless the FBI/IRS/ATF/SEC/Interpol shut your damn money laundering sch......I mean your bank down)
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THIS. How can we get any bigger in terms of market than NATIONWIDE? EVERYONE watches the SEC - our games are certainly better than whatever bullshit the PAC-10 is showing - same for the Big East.I work all over the country and I never have a problem watching SEC games.
We suck and don't want a beat down?
As for the family squabble...we took a phuking bath in the media for not playing the game. Far worse than anything that would have been said about Bowden/Bowden during the game. And that was before the intrawebs went global. God help us if we pulled that poop now.
Now that yall have figured out who you want to add, start figuring out which traditional SEC matchups you want to eliminate.Now tits you know I'm not smart enough to figure this out. But if each of the teams drop a non-conference opponent or two and pick up another conference game (9) OR (10) , make it alternating to protect the hard core hatefests, we still get our cake and eat it too. And new rivals ta boot. I'm not for much more than two to four extra teams myself. It's extremely hard in this conference already, I agree, we do have the best, let's just up the ante.
If you have more members than the number of games you can play each year, something has to give. You can't play everybody.
Would you be willing to play Bama 2 games every 10-12 years? The rotation will be longer with more teams. Bust up FLA/UGA? On and on.
We have the best phuking deal in college football right now. I hope nothing changes here. It could very well be a case of working on something until it's broke.
Now tits you know I'm not smart enough to figure this out. But if each of the teams drop a non-conference opponent or two and pick up another conference game (9) OR (10) , make it alternating to protect the hard core hatefests, we still get our cake and eat it too. And new rivals ta boot. I'm not for much more than two to four extra teams myself. It's extremely hard in this conference already, I agree, we do have the best, let's just up the ante.Yeah, swap a couple of rent a wins for some top 25 teams. Then we can beat the fuck out of each other so that the conference champ may have 3 losses. That'll get us in the National Championship game.
Yeah, swap a couple of rent a wins for some top 25 teams. Then we can beat the phuk out of each other so that the conference champ may have 3 losses. That'll get us in the National Championship game.As I recollect, pretty sure.
We are sitting pretty right now with the way things are.
Some folks are talking about the 16 member theoretical conferences getting 2 BCS bids. Don't we usually get that anyways? With 12 members.