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Title: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: wesfau2 on June 02, 2010, 11:48:44 AM
1. Ryan Mallet (UA)
2. John Brantley (UF)
3. Stephen Garcia (USC)
4. Greg McElroy (UAT)
5. Jordan Jefferson (LSU)
6. Cam Newton (AU)
7. Nathan Stanley (OM)
8. Aaron Murray (UGA)
9. Mike Hartline (UK)
10. Larry Smith (VU)
11. Chris Relf (MSU)
12. Matt Simms (TN)

http://cfn.scout.com/2/973060.html (http://cfn.scout.com/2/973060.html)

The "logic" behind the picks is given if you follow the links.  I don't believe that anyone without a start in the SEC should be placed above a player with a start.  So, my list would look like this:

1. Mallet
2. Garcia
3. McElroy
4. Hartline
5. Relf
6. Jefferson
7. Smith
8-12...the new guys in any order you like.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 12:19:55 PM
1. Ryan Mallet (UA)
2. John Brantley (UF)
3. Stephen Garcia (USC)
4. Greg McElroy (UAT)
5. Jordan Jefferson (LSU)
6. Cam Newton (AU)
7. Nathan Stanley (OM)
8. Aaron Murray (UGA)
9. Mike Hartline (UK)
10. Larry Smith (VU)
11. Chris Relf (MSU)
12. Matt Simms (TN)

http://cfn.scout.com/2/973060.html (http://cfn.scout.com/2/973060.html)

The "logic" behind the picks is given if you follow the links.  I don't believe that anyone without a start in the SEC should be placed above a player with a start.  So, my list would look like this:

1. Mallet
2. Garcia
3. McElroy
4. Hartline
5. Relf
6. Jefferson
7. Smith
8-12...the new guys in any order you like.

Agree with your take on ranking unprovens. 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 02, 2010, 01:39:36 PM
Freekishly tall Mallet cat sees for milz and milz.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: War Eagle!!! on June 02, 2010, 01:45:48 PM
Freekishly tall Mallet cat sees for milz and milz.

*chortle*
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: RWS on June 02, 2010, 01:48:09 PM
Freekishly tall Mallet cat sees for milz and milz.
When he isn't on his ass on the turf.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 01:54:43 PM
When he isn't on his ass on the turf.

I can see how you'd come up with that since Ark. gave up 24 sacks in 13 games last year, compared to UAT giving up 20 in 14 games...or a grand total of less than half a sack a game difference.  You never miss a chance to make a worthless post do you?
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: War Eagle!!! on June 02, 2010, 01:56:34 PM
And for the record...although it pains me to say this...but why McElroy isn't AT LEAST #2 is beyond me. That kid single handedly beat Auburn, Florida and played damn good against UT. In my opinion, he would be my #1. Of all the kids listed, how would you not pick that guy first? Sure, there are more kids there with higher upside, but McElroy just doesn't fuck up. If he fucks up...just one little tiny time...against Auburn, Alabama doesn't win the BCS. That kid is solid, and honestly, with the way he played to end the season, it scares the shit out of me how good Alabama can be with him managing the team at QB...
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 01:59:47 PM
And for the record...although it pains me to say this...but why McElroy isn't AT LEAST #2 is beyond me. That kid single handedly beat Auburn, Florida and played damn good against UT. In my opinion, he would be my #1. Of all the kids listed, how would you not pick that guy first? Sure, there are more kids there with higher upside, but McElroy just doesn't fuck up. If he fucks up...just one little tiny time...against Auburn, Alabama doesn't win the BCS. That kid is solid, and honestly, with the way he played to end the season, it scares the shit out of me how good Alabama can be with him managing the team at QB...

You're right about McElroy, but I think these lists, whether stated or not, always consider the player's "next level ability".  McElroy isn't going to turn any NFL scout's heads, but he's a damned fine QB that playes flawlessly within the system he's in.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: War Eagle!!! on June 02, 2010, 02:04:52 PM
You're right about McElroy, but I think these lists, whether stated or not, always consider the player's "next level ability".  McElroy isn't going to turn any NFL scout's heads, but he's a damned fine QB that playes flawlessly within the system he's in.

I agree. But the list says best COLLEGE QB. If you were the coach of a college team, of these guys, who would you pick first?
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: RWS on June 02, 2010, 02:06:57 PM
I can see how you'd come up with that since Ark. gave up 24 sacks in 13 games last year, compared to UAT giving up 20 in 14 games...or a grand total of less than half a sack a game difference.  You never miss a chance to make a worthless post do you?
I'm guessing you didn't notice all of the knock-downs and whatnot during the game. Being an Alabama fan, talking about an Arkansas QB, that's why I said that. Especially since we pretty much beat their asses here lately.

You never miss a chance to try and be a know-it-all and make a jackass out of yourself in the process, do you?
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 02:13:53 PM
I'm guessing you didn't notice all of the knock-downs and whatnot during the game. Being an Alabama fan that's never been to an Alabama Football Game and that lives on an Auburn forum, talking about an Arkansas QB, that's why I said that.

I never miss a chance to try and be a know-nothing and make a jackass out of myself in the process, do you?

FTFY.   
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: RWS on June 02, 2010, 02:17:03 PM
FTFY.  
Exactly. You made yourself out to be a jackass, so now you need to try to recover with your "You've never been to a game!" card. I've never been to an Alabama game. I know. Apparently you care about this way more than I do.

Well played.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 02:21:24 PM
Exactly. You made yourself out to be a jackass, so now you need to try to recover with your "You've never been to a game!" card. I've never been to an Alabama game. I know. Apparently you care about this way more than I do.

Well played.

Have you ever been to a game?  Ever given money to the university, or football program?  Ever supported the program in any way?  Do you have an account to post on a bammer football/sports forum? 

Your last statement speaks volumes! 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: djsimp on June 02, 2010, 02:25:17 PM
The hell with it! Cameron Newton for Heisman!
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: RWS on June 02, 2010, 02:32:24 PM
Have you ever been to a game?  Ever given money to the university, or football program?  Ever supported the program in any way?  Do you have an account to post on a bammer football/sports forum? 

Your last statement speaks volumes! 
No.

Yes. Years ago, I used to donate.

Answered above. You basically asked the same question twice, only in two different forms.

Yes, multiple boards. I have a subscription to BOL as well.

Anything else I can help you with?
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 02:43:53 PM

Anything else I can help you with?

Highly doubtful. 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: CCTAU on June 02, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
Anything else I can help you with?

Sure. Could you fall with the sharp edge up every now and then? We all need a good laugh.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Hogwally on June 02, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
I'm guessing you didn't notice all of the knock-downs and whatnot during the game. Being an Alabama fan, talking about an Arkansas QB, that's why I said that. Especially since we pretty much beat their asses here lately.

You never miss a chance to try and be a know-it-all and make a jackass out of yourself in the process, do you?

     We've been down a couple years, and 'bama's gotten the best of us lately.  RWS likes to crow and that's OK, like most bama fans he has no concept of winning with class. The thing I don't understand is the way 'bama talks, you would think that they've just totally dominated the hogs.  They've won the last three, but before that we were ahead in the series going back to us joining the SEC.  Nothing like going 10 and 8 on a team to make you pound your chest, and that doesn't even count the game you had forfeit (with more probably coming) for cheating.
   Personally, my favorite game was going to Bryant-Denny in '03 and watching the Hogs come back to silence the crowd.  Funny, I didn't hear that stupid Ram yer slam yer cheer that day.  I'll look thru my pictures, see if I still have some from that trip.  I'll send you a couple so you know what the stadium looks like.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 03:47:58 PM
    We've been down a couple years, and 'bama's gotten the best of us lately.  RWS likes to crow and that's OK, like most bama fans he has no concept of winning with class. The thing I don't understand is the way 'bama talks, you would think that they've just totally dominated the hogs.  They've won the last three, but before that we were ahead in the series going back to us joining the SEC.  Nothing like going 10 and 8 on a team to make you pound your chest, and that doesn't even count the game you had forfeit (with more probably coming) for cheating.
   Personally, my favorite game was going to Bryant-Denny in '03 and watching the Hogs come back to silence the crowd.  Funny, I didn't hear that stupid Ram yer slam yer cheer that day.  I'll look thru my pictures, see if I still have some from that trip.  I'll send you a couple so you know what the stadium looks like.

Bammers live in the reality that best suits them, whether it's yesteday, today, or in the future.  They currently have today to live in...it won't last forever, unlike their lack of class and humility.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Jumbo on June 02, 2010, 04:49:35 PM
And for the record...although it pains me to say this...but why McElroy isn't AT LEAST #2 is beyond me. That kid single handedly beat Auburn, Florida and played damn good against UT. In my opinion, he would be my #1. Of all the kids listed, how would you not pick that guy first? Sure, there are more kids there with higher upside, but McElroy just doesn't fuck up. If he fucks up...just one little tiny time...against Auburn, Alabama doesn't win the BCS. That kid is solid, and honestly, with the way he played to end the season, it scares the shit out of me how good Alabama can be with him managing the team at QB...
I agree, on McElroy he's a championship Qb, he should at least be #2 and more than likely #1. Garcia being so high doesn't bother if were talking about a frat party but this is D-1 football!
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 02, 2010, 04:54:50 PM
I agree. But the list says best COLLEGE QB. If you were the coach of a college team, of these guys, who would you pick first?

Honestly, I'd probably have to go with Mallet.  He has all the tools.  I suspect, good as McElroy is, with the surrounding talent McElroy has, Mallet would be better, and if McElroy played for Ark. he'd be very average.  Could be wrong, no way to ever know.   Coaches make mistakes on this all the time.  It's how guys like Jamarcus Russell wind up #1 draft picks. 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: RWS on June 02, 2010, 05:12:28 PM
    We've been down a couple years, and 'bama's gotten the best of us lately.  RWS likes to crow and that's OK, like most bama fans he has no concept of winning with class. The thing I don't understand is the way 'bama talks, you would think that they've just totally dominated the hogs.  They've won the last three, but before that we were ahead in the series going back to us joining the SEC.  Nothing like going 10 and 8 on a team to make you pound your chest, and that doesn't even count the game you had forfeit (with more probably coming) for cheating.
   Personally, my favorite game was going to Bryant-Denny in '03 and watching the Hogs come back to silence the crowd.  Funny, I didn't hear that stupid Ram yer slam yer cheer that day.  I'll look thru my pictures, see if I still have some from that trip.  I'll send you a couple so you know what the stadium looks like.
Pretty much the only reason I fuck with local hog fans is because of boartitz. It really started with the whole "We didn't want Michael Dyer, he might not even crack the 3 deep" discussion, and some of the delusion that ensued. Other than that, whatever.

Oh, and the pics aren't needed. I have been on campus, and been to BDS before.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: War Eagle!!! on June 02, 2010, 05:17:28 PM
Honestly, I'd probably have to go with Mallet.  He has all the tools.  I suspect, good as McElroy is, with the surrounding talent McElroy has, Mallet would be better, and if McElroy played for Ark. he'd be very average.  Could be wrong, no way to ever know.   Coaches make mistakes on this all the time.  It's how guys like Jamarcus Russell wind up #1 draft picks. 

No argument from me. Mallet has a ton more upside. But McElroy is so freaking solid. He earned a lot of respect from me last year with his play in the Iron Bowl and the SEC Championship game. I don't know that Mallet has IT...and I am not sure what IT is...in him, but I know that McElroy does.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: The Prowler on June 02, 2010, 07:15:57 PM
No.

Yes. Years ago, I used to donate.

Answered above. You basically asked the same question twice, only in two different forms.

Yes, multiple boards. I have a subscription to BOL as well.

Anything else I can help you with?
You ever spoken to a HS Prospect about going to SPuat?
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Birmingham on June 02, 2010, 09:04:32 PM
I don't agree that Stephen Garcia is a better quarterback than Greg McElroy.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: War Eagle!!! on June 02, 2010, 09:17:58 PM
I don't agree that Stephen Garcia is a better quarterback than Greg McElroy.

Shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Birmingham on June 02, 2010, 09:55:29 PM
Shut the fuck up.

No you shut the fuck up.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: GH2001 on June 03, 2010, 12:03:11 AM
I don't agree that Stephen Garcia is a better quarterback than Greg McElroy.


I agree with you. Garcia has never impressed me. McElroy showed me something the last 3 games of the year. Just sayin....
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Townhallsavoy on June 03, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
You know what this list made me realize?

The SEC QBs suck major donkey balls. 

Mallet is the only one with any real talent or experience.  The fact that there is even a logical debate to put McElory #2 shows how inept the passing game is in our conference. 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Token on June 03, 2010, 10:56:41 AM
You know what this list made me realize?

The SEC QBs suck major donkey balls.  

Mallet is the only one with any real talent or experience.  The fact that there is even a logical debate to put McElory #2 shows how inept the passing game is in our conference.  

This has been a problem for the last few years, and yet, the SEC continues to pile up the National Championship trophies.  
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 03, 2010, 11:03:00 AM
You know what this list made me realize?

The SEC QBs suck major donkey balls. 

Mallet is the only one with any real talent or experience.  The fact that there is even a logical debate to put McElory #2 shows how inept the passing game is in our conference. 

Some of that may just be perception because of the inexperience of some and the systems for others.  FT Mallet Cat is easily the #1 as far as having the physical tools.  He's had 1 season in the SEC on an average ball club.  Brantley played behind St. Tebow but this kid was all that and a bag of Doritos coming out of H.S. and he's done nothing but rock when he's had the chance, albeit against some scrubs.  In 09' he was 36/48 410 yards 7 TD's and 0 Ints.  He may turn out to be the class of the field with a full season in Bourbon Cryers system.

McElroy plays for Lord Saybinz and is limited by the grind it out, play action scheme.  However, when he's called on to pass, he looks damn good.  Different system..he might be just like Brantley will be this year.  Garcia has the arm and the pedigree.  He just plays in a shitty program under a coach everyone figured out 10 years ago.  
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Godfather on June 03, 2010, 11:03:09 AM
Here is how I would rank them:

1. Tebow
2. McElroy
3. Mallett
4. Garcia
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: wesfau2 on June 03, 2010, 12:28:44 PM
Here is how I would rank them:

1. Tebow

Permanent exemption for the list?

From here on, no QB shall ever be ranked #1 in any season....that's Timmay's spot.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 03, 2010, 01:07:49 PM
Timmay
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Godfather on June 03, 2010, 01:10:38 PM
Permanent exemption for the list?

From here on, no QB shall ever be ranked #1 in any season....that's Timmay's spot.

(http://tigersx.com/images/tebow supper.jpg)
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Jumbo on June 03, 2010, 01:16:09 PM
(http://tigersx.com/images/tebow supper.jpg)
I can only imagine when that day comes.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 03, 2010, 01:16:16 PM
(http://rumorsandrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tebowcreation.jpg)
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Jumbo on June 03, 2010, 01:19:06 PM
(http://rumorsandrants.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/tebowcreation.jpg)
It that a mini-helmet?
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Godfather on June 03, 2010, 01:21:11 PM
Permanent exemption for the list?
Much like the holy trinity, some things can not be explained...he is able to be in the NFL and still in college, he is everywhere.

(http://tigersx.com/images/hail.jpg)
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 03, 2010, 01:26:31 PM
It that a mini-helmet?

They called him 'Stumpy' in Gainsvegas. 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 03, 2010, 01:38:14 PM
Tim Tebow once participated in the Running of the Bulls.

He walked.


The Bible was originally titled, "Tim Tebow and Friends"
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Godfather on June 03, 2010, 03:28:27 PM
Tim Tebow once participated in the Running of the Bulls.

He walked.


The Bible was originally titled, "Tim Tebow and Friends"
Some people wear Superman T-Shirts to bed.
Superman wears a Tim Tebow Jersey.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: AUTiger1 on June 03, 2010, 03:45:20 PM
His tears cure cancer.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: wesfau2 on June 03, 2010, 03:50:38 PM
His tears cure cancer.

Too bad he's never cried.

This one doesn't work for Timmay.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: AUTiger1 on June 03, 2010, 04:05:26 PM
Too bad he's never cried.

This one doesn't work for Timmay.


Damn forgot about that. 
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Godfather on June 03, 2010, 04:31:43 PM
In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Tim Tebow, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone else has ever gotten.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 03, 2010, 04:40:08 PM
Tim Tebow knows the last digit of pi
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Jumbo on June 03, 2010, 04:44:52 PM
Tim doesn't cut his grass, he stands in the yard and dares it to grow.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 03, 2010, 04:48:14 PM
If you spell Tim Tebow in Scrabble, you win...forever
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: The Prowler on June 05, 2010, 02:17:56 PM
Too bad he's never cried.

This one doesn't work for Timmay.

When it's raining, that's Timmay nourishing the land with his fluids.
Title: Re: CFN's SEC QB Rankings
Post by: JR4AU on June 07, 2010, 03:23:41 PM
Timmay's farts smells like a fresh cut bouquet of roses.