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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: JR4AU on April 28, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
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It's Cam's job to lose.
http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/04/auburn_names_cam_newton_no_1_q.html (http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2010/04/auburn_names_cam_newton_no_1_q.html)
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I've been thinking that as soon as he signed.
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Just saw it on another site. He's #1 going into the fall. They say that Caudle and Trotter will continue to battle Newton throughout the summer and into fall, but after evaluating spring film, they decided they were comfortable naming him the man to beat.
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This is not making sense to me.
Why wait weeks after spring training is over when there is allegedly nothing going on?
The timing seems really awkward. Confused.
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Guess the title I gave the thread: "As I said..." needed to be edited! :vn:
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This is not making sense to me.
Why wait weeks after spring training is over when there is allegedly nothing going on?
The timing seems really awkward. Confused.
Not really. Forcing real competition makes them better.
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This is not making sense to me.
Why wait weeks after spring training is over when there is allegedly nothing going on?
The timing seems really awkward. Confused.
Not the norm I'll admit, but could have come down to Malzahn breaking down practice film after the fact. While not the norm, not really all that far fetched either. I certainly wouldn't read much in to it. It's not like this wasn't known by every swingin' dick anyway.
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Not really. Forcing real competition makes them better.
How does this "force real competition."
So you're telling me it took them two weeks AFTER practice was over to see something that they didn't see during the entire spring?
This is weird.
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How does this "force real competition."
So you're telling me it took them two weeks AFTER practice was over to see something that they didn't see during the entire spring?
This is weird.
No, I'm telling you that they knew he was going to be the starter, but held back on naming him so to create great competition between the QB's.
Competition = improvement.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE#)
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No, I'm telling you that they knew he was going to be the starter, but held back on naming him so to create great competition between the QB's.
Competition = improvement.
Fact is, since practices were closed, we don't really know who, if any of the QBs, got most of the 1st team reps. Could be that this "naming" him is purely academic, and that he took the lion's share of the starter's reps in spring anyway. Could be as you said, they did it knowing he was the starter, but pushed him by not letting him know that. Could be he wasn't nearly what they thought he was, and really struggled to name a starter. Could be pink butterflies and unicorns will fly out of my ass too. At any rate, Cam is named the starter...whehter now, August, 2 weeks in to spring, or 2 weeks in to fall...he's the #1 guy...for now!
Kaos, if you want to call it weird...then so be it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e60_8ln-MgE#)
Also shows pretty good execution on the veer.
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Kaos, if you want to call it weird...then so be it.
It won't get weird baby.
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Guess the title I gave the thread: "As I said..." needed to be edited! :vn:
negative...ghost rider. I merged the two threads about the same thing, this was the title of the other one, I thought it more appropriate.
:king:
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negative...ghost rider. I merged the two threads about the same thing, this was the title of the other one, I thought it more appropriate.
:king:
The Godfather has spoken.
I'm glad to see this. Now, how long before Tyrik is named #2?
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The Godfather has spoken.
I'm glad to see this. Now, how long before Tyrik is named #2?
Dax #2?
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Dax #2?
My day was going along just fine...
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That must have been the hit that knocked the screw lose in Rogan's head that made him declare early for the NFL draft.
He went undrafted, and to my knowledge hasn't been picked up on a free agent contract either.
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Not surprised. Is anyone surprised?
I think, and I don't know why, but I think they announced it this way to divert attention from it. Tiger Prowl is the hot Auburn story. Football is in the beginning of a big dead period. The critics aren't going to be too loud, and the sunshine pumpers are too busy at the beach.
I like it!
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It's a conspiracy, just ask Kaos.
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Not that my opinion counts, but here is how I view this. Either:
A) Newton is the next coming of Tebow and is just that good. (I'm overstating, obviously.)
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B) AU has some talent issues at the QB position.
I suppose we will have a more accurate idea of which one is correct this fall.
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Not that my opinion counts, but here is how I view this. Either:
A) Newton is the next coming of Tebow and is just that good. (I'm overstating, obviously.)
or
B) AU has some talent issues at the QB position.
I suppose we will have a more accurate idea of which one is correct this fall.
A is yet to be seen, but one thing is certain, and that is: B, or Newton would never have been brought in as a JC transfer. Anybody that's ever listened to college coaches about JCs can tell you that as a coach, you NEVER bring in a guy to challenge guys who are talented enough to win the job, and have paid their dues. You only bring them in when you have a NEED to fill NOW. Clearly the guys on campus didn't inspire confidence, and none of them had the idea in their head, and more importantly, the team didn't have the idea in their head that any of them was "due the job". When the team is behind a guy already on campus, you can destroy team chemistry by bringing in a JC guy. There's a lot to be said for waiting your turn...but athletes know who is due their turn and who is not.
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Not that my opinion counts, but here is how I view this. Either:
A) Newton is the next coming of Tebow and is just that good. (I'm overstating, obviously.)
or
B) AU has some talent issues at the QB position.
I suppose we will have a more accurate idea of which one is correct this fall.
Thank you, King Duh.
"Mark my words, will be really good...unless of course he isn't"
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I have a question. Why is it that even Auburn people have trouble grasping the fact that maybe...just maybe....a top flight QB wanted to come to Auburn. That he could be the real deal. Not addressing anyone in particular, just an overall lack of enthusiasm. The guy has ALL the physical tools. He's Terrell Pryor big, strong and fast. He had all the credentials coming out of high school and was coveted by the top D1 programs around the country and of course, signed with one of the top programs. Unfortunately, he was behind what some (some) have said is the greatest all around college player in history. He goes JUCO and absolutely tears it up in every aspect of the game...throwing, running...winning. We've all seen the film from him de-cleating a UT defender to throwing frozen rope TD's and outrunning everyone in JUCO.
Now, we have excitement like we haven't seen in years surrounding this program. A staff that can recruit like crazy and an offensive system that anybody with half a brain can look at and deduce.."Chris Todd put up sick numbers? Chris Todd?? What the hell could I do in that system...in the SEC..on the biggest stages in college football?"
With his experience at Florida and his NC and killer numbers in JUCO, there is no excuse for this guy to be anything other than as advertised. I think he will be and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. If he struggles...he struggles. But no one on this board or anywhere else has seen one thing to raise a red flag about his ability to play at the highest of levels. And I continue to see this hesitancy to jump on his bandwagon. Maybe it's because Auburn has literally never had a QB come in with this kind of hype and if they did, it took some time to get it together. Jason was a big time recruit but his struggles initially are well documented.
I actually am a realist and I understand that he could in fact struggle like Pryor did his first two years. But, I think Newton is light years ahead of where Pryor was when he came into OSU as a freshman. I also just feel it's time our next "Bo" got this thing started and Auburn jumps back in the national picture in a big way. Other than Ted Roof, there's no reason naming Newton as the starter didn't do just that.
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Thank you, King Duh.
"Mark my words, will be really good...unless of course he isn't"
Not trying to make a prediction on either. I honestly haven't even seen any video of how he performed at A-Day for that matter. Last month, I was given a dissertation by somebody here on how AU is in no way, shape, or form fucked at QB. So, obviously, opinions vary. No need to be a smartass teenager.
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I have a question. Why is it that even Auburn people have trouble grasping the fact that maybe...just maybe....a top flight QB wanted to come to Auburn. That he could be the real deal. Not addressing anyone in particular, just an overall lack of enthusiasm. The guy has ALL the physical tools. He's Terrell Pryor big, strong and fast. He had all the credentials coming out of high school and was coveted by the top D1 programs around the country and of course, signed with one of the top programs. Unfortunately, he was behind what some (some) have said is the greatest all around college player in history. He goes JUCO and absolutely tears it up in every aspect of the game...throwing, running...winning. We've all seen the film from him de-cleating a UT defender to throwing frozen rope TD's and outrunning everyone in JUCO.
Now, we have excitement like we haven't seen in years surrounding this program. A staff that can recruit like crazy and an offensive system that anybody with half a brain can look at and deduce.."Chris Todd put up sick numbers? Chris Todd?? What the hell could I do in that system...in the SEC..on the biggest stages in college football?"
With his experience at Florida and his NC and killer numbers in JUCO, there is no excuse for this guy to be anything other than as advertised. I think he will be and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. If he struggles...he struggles. But no one on this board or anywhere else has seen one thing to raise a red flag about his ability to play at the highest of levels. And I continue to see this hesitancy to jump on his bandwagon. Maybe it's because Auburn has literally never had a QB come in with this kind of hype and if they did, it took some time to get it together. Jason was a big time recruit but his struggles initially are well documented.
I actually am a realist and I understand that he could in fact struggle like Pryor did his first two years. But, I think Newton is light years ahead of where Pryor was when he came into OSU as a freshman. I also just feel it's time our next "Bo" got this thing started and Auburn jumps back in the national picture in a big way. Other than Ted Roof, there's no reason naming Newton as the starter didn't do just that.
I think part of the problem is the high rate of failure among QBs. I really don't think it's specific to Auburn. For example, ask me how excited I am about Phillip Sims. It's one thing to be excited about a DL, LB, WR, etc. The game just changes drastically for a QB coming out of HS. Take Kodi Burns as a recent example. This kid was a hot commodity, had all the tools, looked the part, etc etc. He's a gadget WR for the most part now. That's JMO, though.
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I have a question. Why is it that even Auburn people have trouble grasping the fact that maybe...just maybe....a top flight QB wanted to come to Auburn. That he could be the real deal. Not addressing anyone in particular, just an overall lack of enthusiasm. The guy has ALL the physical tools. He's Terrell Pryor big, strong and fast. He had all the credentials coming out of high school and was coveted by the top D1 programs around the country and of course, signed with one of the top programs. Unfortunately, he was behind what some (some) have said is the greatest all around college player in history. He goes JUCO and absolutely tears it up in every aspect of the game...throwing, running...winning. We've all seen the film from him de-cleating a UT defender to throwing frozen rope TD's and outrunning everyone in JUCO.
Now, we have excitement like we haven't seen in years surrounding this program. A staff that can recruit like crazy and an offensive system that anybody with half a brain can look at and deduce.."Chris Todd put up sick numbers? Chris Todd?? What the hell could I do in that system...in the SEC..on the biggest stages in college football?"
With his experience at Florida and his NC and killer numbers in JUCO, there is no excuse for this guy to be anything other than as advertised. I think he will be and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. If he struggles...he struggles. But no one on this board or anywhere else has seen one thing to raise a red flag about his ability to play at the highest of levels. And I continue to see this hesitancy to jump on his bandwagon. Maybe it's because Auburn has literally never had a QB come in with this kind of hype and if they did, it took some time to get it together. Jason was a big time recruit but his struggles initially are well documented.
I actually am a realist and I understand that he could in fact struggle like Pryor did his first two years. But, I think Newton is light years ahead of where Pryor was when he came into OSU as a freshman. I also just feel it's time our next "Bo" got this thing started and Auburn jumps back in the national picture in a big way. Other than Ted Roof, there's no reason naming Newton as the starter didn't do just that.
My "doubt", trepidation, skepticism, is just healthy doubt based on the fact that far more QB's fail to live up to the hype than excell. Not an Auburn QB thing. I'm not one of those that brings up Kodi every time "then next great QB" is mentioned. But fact is, it's the toughest position to make the transition to make from HS or JC to the big time. I predicted Todd as last year's starter, when many were saying they didn't want to see him take another snap at Auburn after 2008. You mentioned his record setting year. Many Auburn fans want to dismiss good QBs like Todd, and Brandon Cox, despite their overall performances. Neither was an NFL level QB, but both did some good things...Todd under very tough circumstances, and with a mediocre team that was in transition. Here's the thing about Cam, and this can't be overstated. IF he's even as good as Todd in the passing game, he's a better QB because he brings the extra athletic dimension too. Todd wasn't good because he had a rocket arm...he was good because he played within the framework of what Malzahn asked him to do, and to no small extent, FINALLY got some help from his WRs due to better coaching at that position. People can't be blind to that aspect of it either.
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Thank you, King Duh.
"Mark my words, will be really good...unless of course he isn't"
He invoked the Prowler defense.
(http://tigersx.com/images/prowlerdef.jpg)
You must acquit
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Take Kodi Burns as a recent example. This kid was a hot commodity, had all the tools, looked the part, etc etc. He's a gadget WR for the most part now. That's JMO, though.
You were doing good until that part. Your opinion, as usual, is largely very "fan-boyish" and ignorant. He's a WR...they also take advantage of the other tools he has that, while not good enough to start as a QB, bring an extra dimension to the offense. He threw 2 TDs, Rushed for 5, and caught 1. Had 175 yards on 56 carries. He contributed far beyond any "gadgetry".
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You were doing good until that part. Your opinion, as usual, is largely very "fan-boyish" and ignorant. He's a WR...they also take advantage of the other tools he has that, while not good enough to start as a QB, bring an extra dimension to the offense. He threw 2 TDs, Rushed for 5, and caught 1. Had 175 yards on 56 carries. He contributed far beyond any "gadgetry".
Call it whatever you want. Perhaps I should just call him jack of all trades, master of none? Or should I just refer to his position as QB/WR/RB hybrid? He's not a feature WR. He's not a feature back. He's just that situational guy that does some situational shit. For all we know, if AU had more than 5 WRs on the roster, he might not have seen the field as much as he did. Who knows.
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He invoked the Prowler defense.
(http://tigersx.com/images/prowlerdef.jpg)
You must acquit
"Look at da Prowler."
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JR, outside of all the physical attributes and credentials that Newton brings in, your statement about comparing him to Todd is what makes it move the the most for me. Yes, Todd worked within the system and as long as you can do even a half-ass job of that, you will put up big numbers under Malzahn. Todd rarely made any throw that made you go, WOW, but he had an accurate enough arm to make it work most of the time. You have to trust that Newton will have the same accuracy to a certain degree. As long as he can match that for the most part, his legs will make him far more dangerous and productive than Todd.
He has more physical weapons and he has a senior dominated line and more experienced skill position players at his disposal.
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Not that my opinion counts, but here is how I view this. Either:
A) Newton is the next coming of Tebow and is just that good. (I'm overstating, obviously.)
or
B) AU has some talent issues at the QB position.
I suppose we will have a more accurate idea of which one is correct this fall.
Neither of these is relevant to the question: Why now?
Why not the day of the A-Day game? Why not the day after? Why not the week before? Why not the day before fall practice starts? Why not the week after fall practice begins?
What was the urgency in naming a starting quarterback TODAY when everybody -- including most of the players -- was okay with going into the fall with an open competition?
The timing is simply absurd. The "we were watching film and suddenly saw something that wasn't there before..." bullshit just doesn't fly.
All this does is give snarky bastards like Evan Woodberry ammunition to make snarky comments and ask the same questions I'm asking, but in a more condescending and damaging way. You ask me, this gives the opposition another little piece of ammunition when they can say to a recruit "wow, those guys are a little bizarre."
It's not a conspiracy, but it's not smart either.
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All this does is give snarky bastards like Evan Woodberry ammunition to make snarky comments and ask the same questions I'm asking, but in a more condescending and damaging way.
Unpossible.
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I have a question. Why is it that even Auburn people have trouble grasping the fact that maybe...just maybe....a top flight QB wanted to come to Auburn. That he could be the real deal. Not addressing anyone in particular, just an overall lack of enthusiasm. The guy has ALL the physical tools. He's Terrell Pryor big, strong and fast. He had all the credentials coming out of high school and was coveted by the top D1 programs around the country and of course, signed with one of the top programs. Unfortunately, he was behind what some (some) have said is the greatest all around college player in history. He goes JUCO and absolutely tears it up in every aspect of the game...throwing, running...winning. We've all seen the film from him de-cleating a UT defender to throwing frozen rope TD's and outrunning everyone in JUCO.
Now, we have excitement like we haven't seen in years surrounding this program. A staff that can recruit like crazy and an offensive system that anybody with half a brain can look at and deduce.."Chris Todd put up sick numbers? Chris Todd?? What the hell could I do in that system...in the SEC..on the biggest stages in college football?"
With his experience at Florida and his NC and killer numbers in JUCO, there is no excuse for this guy to be anything other than as advertised. I think he will be and I've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. If he struggles...he struggles. But no one on this board or anywhere else has seen one thing to raise a red flag about his ability to play at the highest of levels. And I continue to see this hesitancy to jump on his bandwagon. Maybe it's because Auburn has literally never had a QB come in with this kind of hype and if they did, it took some time to get it together. Jason was a big time recruit but his struggles initially are well documented.
I actually am a realist and I understand that he could in fact struggle like Pryor did his first two years. But, I think Newton is light years ahead of where Pryor was when he came into OSU as a freshman. I also just feel it's time our next "Bo" got this thing started and Auburn jumps back in the national picture in a big way. Other than Ted Roof, there's no reason naming Newton as the starter didn't do just that.
All irrelevant to the issue.
Why now?
Nobody has given me even the most remote logical reason for announcing this decision TODAY -- about eight or nine days after announcing that no number one would be named heading into the fall.
Crackpot theories and ridiculous stretches of the imagination have been offered, but nothing that makes sense has been tossed out there.
Not debating his skill, etc. because that's not the point. But Harv, if he was as magnificent as you postulate above, why not make this decision and announcement way before now?
Don't explain the decision -- because we all knew it was coming -- explain the TIMING of the announcement.
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All irrelevant to the issue.
Why now?
Nobody has given me even the most remote logical reason for announcing this decision TODAY -- about eight or nine days after announcing that no number one would be named heading into the fall.
Crackpot theories and ridiculous stretches of the imagination have been offered, but nothing that makes sense has been tossed out there.
Not debating his skill, etc. because that's not the point. But Harv, if he was as magnificent as you postulate above, why not make this decision and announcement way before now?
Don't explain the decision -- because we all knew it was coming -- explain the TIMING of the announcement.
If you watch the video I posted, instead of ltrying to make something out of nothing, you would see that Chizik said he did it because he wanted the leadership during the summer.
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If you watch the video I posted, instead of ltrying to make something out of nothing, you would see that Chizik said he did it because he wanted the leadership during the summer.
I'm asking a question. Not making something out of nothing.
I'm sorry, but that answer is stupid on Chizik's part. He decided this a couple of weeks after practice was over? Even if it's true, it's stupid.
What? He DIDN'T want a leader eight days ago and now decides he needs one, so he announces something he already knew but didn't want to say?
Or was it that he did want a leader, but couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to name one or not?
The timing is just ridiculous. It's dumber than Tim James' all-English ads.
We're still 0-fer on reasonable explanations.
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I'm asking a question. Not making something out of nothing.
I'm sorry, but that answer is stupid on Chizik's part. He decided this a couple of weeks after practice was over? Even if it's true, it's stupid.
What? He DIDN'T want a leader eight days ago and now decides he needs one, so he announces something he already knew but didn't want to say?
Or was it that he did want a leader, but couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to name one or not?
The timing is just ridiculous. It's dumber than Tim James' all-English ads.
We're still 0-fer on reasonable explanations.
Sorry, but it makes sense to me.
He wasn't 100% sure that he wanted to name Cam Newton as the starter. He did want leadership at the QB position throughout the summer. He discussed it with Malzahn, and they were both 90% on Newton. Therefore, hey named him the starter.
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I'm asking a question. Not making something out of nothing.
I'm sorry, but that answer is stupid on Chizik's part. He decided this a couple of weeks after practice was over? Even if it's true, it's stupid.
What? He DIDN'T want a leader eight days ago and now decides he needs one, so he announces something he already knew but didn't want to say?
Or was it that he did want a leader, but couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to name one or not?
The timing is just ridiculous. It's dumber than Tim James' all-English ads.
We're still 0-fer on reasonable explanations.
Agreed that the timing is weird but I don't know if there's really anything you can read into it good or bad. A lot of possibilities. Coaches took a break for a few days after spring then got busy with Tiger Prowl...Malzahn had the stomach flu...Chizik found a young co-ed to shack up with for a few days....Trooper had jury duty....Jacobs was using the film room to watch porn.....or Chizik just said, "Oh fuck it, I'm tired of fielding questions about it".
The possibilities are endless. Strange timing, I agree but I can't really see a problem with it.
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Strange timing, I agree but I can't really see a problem with it.
Beyond the fact that it's fucking weird-o and gives people shit to jack us about...
If they were going to do it, it seems they could have had this conversation two weeks ago and made the decision then. The "we're not going to name a number one" followed by "our number one is..." a few days later looks as dumb as NBC and its Leno/Conan deal.
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Beyond the fact that it's phuking weird-o and gives people poop to jack us about...
If they were going to do it, it seems they could have had this conversation two weeks ago and made the decision then. The "we're not going to name a number one" followed by "our number one is..." a few days later looks as dumb as NBC and its Leno/Conan deal.
Wait, what happened to Conan? Not sure what effect it will really have but I'm with ya' on the 180 thing.
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I'm asking a question. Not making something out of nothing.
Yes, you are.
I'm sorry, but that answer is stupid on Chizik's part. He decided this a couple of weeks after practice was over? Even if it's true, it's stupid.
What? He DIDN'T want a leader eight days ago and now decides he needs one, so he announces something he already knew but didn't want to say?
Or was it that he did want a leader, but couldn't make up his mind if he wanted to name one or not?
The timing is just ridiculous. It's dumber than Tim James' all-English ads.
We're still 0-fer on reasonable explanations.
Here's the real question: Why the fuck does it matter to you? Just looking for another reason to bash Chizik?
Beyond the fact that it's fucking weird-o and gives people shit to jack us about...
If this is what someone will use to bash Auburn, then I'd say we're in pretty fucking good shape. It's a non-issue no matter how hard you work to make it one.
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Yes, you are.
Here's the real question: Why the fuck does it matter to you? Just looking for another reason to bash Chizik?
It's Auburn.
Go fuck a duck.
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Go fuck a duck.
You hold that fucker still and I will fuck the quack out of him.
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Kaos, I think you're making way too big of a deal out of something that's really not important (to anyone that IS important).
You keep saying things like "you would think...blah, blah, blah", or "why not blah, blah, blah". I'm guessing Chizik cares as much about what you or anyone thinks about the timing as much as he cares what color your socks are.
They named him now because they wanted to name him now. You're biggest (by far) reason that it's soooo stupid seems to be only because you don't understand it. Just because you don't know "why" doesn't make it stupid. I would bet a sum equal to the national budget that our coaches could, if they wanted to, walk you through the entire thought process and how it went down from day one up until yesterday. All along the way there is logic and reason as to why things have gone exactly the way they have gone.
We aren't privy to that information. That makes us stupid, not them. How much do you know about how this whole process has taken place? 2% of all there is to know? 3%? It can't be more because practices have been closed, A-Day showed us nothing, and no one has been talking. Everything else has been behind closed doors by the only people that know 100% about what has been going on. Are we that narcissistic that we think we're in position to call them "stupid" because they chose to announce the starter ten days after Spring practice and not in the middle of spring, at the end of spring, or at A-Day? What the hell difference does it matter?
And if your answer is because some Woodpecker reporter may say bad things about us, well, that's weak, because that guy should also know that he too knows no more than 3% of all there is to know about this situation. So if he wants to put his ignorance in print for all to read....let him.
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Kaos, I think you're making way too big of a deal out of something that's really not important (to anyone that IS important).
Yep.
How much do you know about how this whole process has taken place? 2% of all there is to know? 3%? It can't be more because practices have been closed, A-Day showed us nothing, and no one has been talking. Everything else has been behind closed doors by the only people that know 100% about what has been going on.
Didn't you get the memo? Kaos knows everything, has owned and/or been employed in every type of business known to man.
Are we that narcissistic that we think we're in position to call them "stupid"
If by "we" you mean Kaos, then "yes". Emphatically yes.
What the hell difference does it matter?
And if your answer is because some Woodpecker reporter may say bad things about us, well, that's weak, because that guy should also know that he too knows no more than 3% of all there is to know about this situation. So if he wants to put his ignorance in print for all to read....let him.
This guy gets it.
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Kaos, I think you're making way too big of a deal out of something that's really not important (to anyone that IS important)....AWESOME POST... So if he wants to put his ignorance in print for all to read....let him.
You are TOTALLY forgiven for being a Cowboymolester fan. EXCELLENT summation.
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Kaos, I think you're making way too big of a deal out of something that's really not important (to anyone that IS important).
You keep saying things like "you would think...blah, blah, blah", or "why not blah, blah, blah". I'm guessing Chizik cares as much about what you or anyone thinks about the timing as much as he cares what color your socks are.
They named him now because they wanted to name him now. You're biggest (by far) reason that it's soooo stupid seems to be only because you don't understand it. Just because you don't know "why" doesn't make it stupid. I would bet a sum equal to the national budget that our coaches could, if they wanted to, walk you through the entire thought process and how it went down from day one up until yesterday. All along the way there is logic and reason as to why things have gone exactly the way they have gone.
We aren't privy to that information. That makes us stupid, not them. How much do you know about how this whole process has taken place? 2% of all there is to know? 3%? It can't be more because practices have been closed, A-Day showed us nothing, and no one has been talking. Everything else has been behind closed doors by the only people that know 100% about what has been going on. Are we that narcissistic that we think we're in position to call them "stupid" because they chose to announce the starter ten days after Spring practice and not in the middle of spring, at the end of spring, or at A-Day? What the hell difference does it matter?
And if your answer is because some Woodpecker reporter may say bad things about us, well, that's weak, because that guy should also know that he too knows no more than 3% of all there is to know about this situation. So if he wants to put his ignorance in print for all to read....let him.
Asked a simple goddamn question. Made a simple goddamn observation.
Got a bunch of extraneous bullshit about what a great quarterback Cam was going to be, how his cannon arm and electric feet were going to free us from bondage and how he was going to slay dragons with his gleaming smile.
The timing seems odd. it's stupid to do it that way in my opinion. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
Fuck you Wes, I didn't claim to know one single GODDAMN thing, you ignorant ass. In fact, in this case it was pretty obvious I didn't know or understand what in the fuck the coaches were doing.
Make any excuse or justification you want, but the manner in which this was handled was weird.
And here's a summation that's pretty fucking appropriate:
:fu:
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Asked a simple goddamn question. Made a simple goddamn observation.
Got a bunch of extraneous bullshit about what a great quarterback Cam was going to be, how his cannon arm and electric feet were going to free us from bondage and how he was going to slay dragons with his gleaming smile.
I've never heard anyone say anything about electric feet (not really sure what the fuck that is), freeing us from bondage (sounds like a bit of a stretch) or slaying dragons with his gleaming smile (and the real Dork comes out....dragons, LMAO)
Kaos is a guest now....AAHHHAHAHA!!!
Coach Chizik and Coach Malzahn wanted a, one, QB to get that connection with the WRs over the Summer and have that Starting Leadership throughout the Summer workouts. How, or why is that so hard to understand. Hell, I knew that without having to read it anywhere else, I guess that I figured everyone else would understand that as well...especially someone that has coached Heisman winners and NFL Hall of Fame members.
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Okay, I had to chime in with my two cents:
Why does it matter when the #1 is named right now? Even my wife, after reading and hearing all the hoopla the press was making out of this, was wondered the same thing. Why does a #1 even have to be named after spring practice at all? What is more important, having a #1 after spring practice or having a starter ready for September 4, 2010?
I guess I just don't understand all the media coverage about this whole thing. While some may look at it as a negative thing, maybe Trotter, Caudle, and Newton were all so dang good that it was too close to call? Maybe it was just like Chizik said...he wanted a leader over the summer, but also wanted it made clear that Newton's spot was not secure and the other guys are still being considered for the starting job. I can understand the philosophy behind that. The late announcement makes them all think that the coaches are not heavily biased towards any one of them, so Newton knows he has to keep working hard to keep his spot because he knows the other guys are going to work even harder to take his spot.
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You are TOTALLY forgiven for being a Cowboymolester fan. EXCELLENT summation.
I didnt know JA was a Boys fan.
Thought it was just me, sweets and WE!!!
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Okay, I had to chime in with my two cents:
Why does it matter when the #1 is named right now? Even my wife, after reading and hearing all the hoopla the press was making out of this, was wondered the same thing. Why does a #1 even have to be named after spring practice at all? What is more important, having a #1 after spring practice or having a starter ready for September 4, 2010?
I guess I just don't understand all the media coverage about this whole thing. While some may look at it as a negative thing, maybe Trotter, Caudle, and Newton were all so dang good that it was too close to call? Maybe it was just like Chizik said...he wanted a leader over the summer, but also wanted it made clear that Newton's spot was not secure and the other guys are still being considered for the starting job. I can understand the philosophy behind that. The late announcement makes them all think that the coaches are not heavily biased towards any one of them, so Newton knows he has to keep working hard to keep his spot because he knows the other guys are going to work even harder to take his spot.
Where the fuck you been?
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Where the phuk you been?
Apparently listening to reason:
Even my wife, after reading and hearing all the hoopla the press was making out of this, was wondered the same thing. Why does a #1 even have to be named after spring practice at all? What is more important, having a #1 after spring practice or having a starter ready for September 4, 2010?
Great point by the way. It doesn't really matter now because I think we all knew who the starting QB was going to be. The press fellas just need something to chew on until another bama player gets arrested.
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Asked a simple goddamn question. Made a simple goddamn observation.
Got a bunch of extraneous bullpoop about what a great quarterback Cam was going to be, how his cannon arm and electric feet were going to free us from bondage and how he was going to slay dragons with his gleaming smile.
The timing seems odd. it's stupid to do it that way in my opinion. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
phuk you Wes, I didn't claim to know one single GODDAMN thing, you ignorant ass. In fact, in this case it was pretty obvious I didn't know or understand what in the phuk the coaches were doing.
Make any excuse or justification you want, but the manner in which this was handled was weird.
And here's a summation that's pretty phuking appropriate:
:fu:
damn Kaos, your not mad are you?
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Asked a simple goddamn question. Made a simple goddamn observation.
Got a bunch of extraneous bullshit about what a great quarterback Cam was going to be, how his cannon arm and electric feet were going to free us from bondage and how he was going to slay dragons with his gleaming smile.
The timing seems odd. it's stupid to do it that way in my opinion. THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO IT.
Fuck you Wes, I didn't claim to know one single GODDAMN thing, you ignorant ass. In fact, in this case it was pretty obvious I didn't know or understand what in the fuck the coaches were doing.
Make any excuse or justification you want, but the manner in which this was handled was weird.
And here's a summation that's pretty fucking appropriate:
:fu:
Again, admittedly, it's odd timing, but in the end it's like you said...it's fodder for those that really badly need something, ANYTHING to pick at, and dissect for no good reason at all.
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damn Kaos, your not mad are you?
He's guest'd out.... :blink:
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It's apparent that either Kaos, or his wife, had enough of the bullshit.
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Just curious...what press are you guys reading? I've seen nothing but positive stories on this...
Absolutely scathing...
http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2010/04/scarbinsky_au_makes_qb_call_th.html (http://blog.al.com/kevin-scarbinsky/2010/04/scarbinsky_au_makes_qb_call_th.html)
Scarbinsky: AU makes QB call the right way for a change
By Kevin Scarbinsky -- The Birmingham News
April 30, 2010, 5:30AM
Cameron Newton is off and running as Auburn's No. 1 quarterback. (The Birmingham News / Frank Couch)Cameron Newton is going to be Auburn’s starting quarterback? Get out. Really?
I’ll take Foregone Conclusions for $200, Alex.
Auburn’s decision to name a No. 1 quarterback 11 days after the spring game turned no heads but made it clear that cooler heads are in charge.
Consider the program’s progression at the most important position on the field.
Two years ago, Tommy Tuberville and Tony Franklin couldn’t decide by the season opener between Kodi Burns and Chris Todd.
By the season’s midpoint, Tuberville decided to fire Franklin. By season’s end, Auburn decided to say goodbye to Tuberville.
Last year, Gene Chizik and Gus Malzahn couldn’t decide between Burns and Neil Caudle in the spring, and then needed just nine days in August to bypass both in favor of Todd.
For all the good things the surgically repaired Todd did, that quarterback battle seemed more a process of elimination than a true competition.
Now the Tigers have stepped on the gas and anointed a first-time starter before Mother’s Day.
Assuming the junior Newton stays and plays two seasons, at its current pace, Auburn will name its 2012 starter by Labor Day.
Come to think of it, if one of the school’s hotshot prospects commits in the interim, that prediction may not be far off.
In a sense, Auburn named Newton the starter the day Auburn signed him. It’s a cliche because it’s true. No one brings in a juco QB to sit and watch.
But the ever-faithful Caudle and the hopeful Barrett Trotter gave Chizik and Malzahn real choices, and not between evils.
If the spring game showed little of Newton, it showed enough of the Birmingham boys to suggest that the new guy didn’t win the spot by default.
The bounce going forward is that Malzahn can open his full playbook with Newton. The play-caller doesn’t have to protect his starter for fear that, if he goes down on a read-option, he’ll take the season with him.
Stan White has done enough at Auburn, as a former four-year starter, and seen enough behind closed doors, as the Auburn Network analyst, to know that his old school goes more than one deep at his old position for the first time in years.
White said he didn’t want to put words in the coaches’ mouths, "but I think they feel they’ve got some quarterbacks where there’s really not much drop-off, if any."
Some quarterbacks? At Auburn? At the same time?
That’s some change.
As is an efficient quarterback competition. Chizik and Malzahn made the decision in the best possible way. Gradually, then suddenly.
They put the quarterbacks through 15 workouts, 14 of which were no doubt more instructive than the spring game the rest of us got to see.
"They gave each player more than ample reps," White said.
The coaches did the opposite of what Malzahn advised us after A-Day. They read something into everything. Scrimmages and drills. Meetings and film sessions. Tangibles and intangibles.
One example: We saw Newton go 3 for 8 in the spring game, missing an open receiver in the end zone. Twice. Meanwhile, Chizik just praised Newton for his accuracy in the spring.
Clearly, he had more data.
Having made their call, the coaches told the quarterbacks, and then told the rest of the team, and then told the world. It was the right order, and in short order.
If anyone wanted to write a book titled "How to Avoid a Quarterback Controversy," Chizik and Malzahn just wrote chapters 1-3.
Let it be said that a spring decision on a starting quarterback guarantees nothing come the fall. Newton still has to "continue on this path," as Chizik said, and the rest of the team has to follow.
But now the team has someone to follow.
"He gives us the best chance to win," Chizik said.
Duh? Uh, no. Not at Auburn. For too long, too many coaches there have chosen too many quarterbacks who gave them the best chance not to lose.
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However, I will note that Evan Dingleberry is a cock.
We've got to do something about having this asshole as our beatwriter.
Auburn's strategy of visiting high schools with a full complement of assistant coaches in tricked-out vehicles will apparently come to an end this week.
New NCAA rules finalized on Thursday say that no more than two coaches from any college may visit a high school during the spring evaluation period.
Per the report in the Athens (Ga.) Banner-Herald, the NCAA legislative council said the change was needed because "multiple coaches are appearing at the high schools of the prospective student-athletes just as much to be seen as to actually conduct an evaluation. Many institutions are unnecessarily expending resources in order to have multiple assistant coaches attend these evaluations as a result of the perceived recruiting benefit."
The spring evaluation period is ostensibly for meeting with high school coaches, administrators and guidance counselors in order to "evaluate" a potential student-athlete. Coaches are not allowed to actually make contact with the prospect.
Auburn's inaugural recruiting push in the spring of 2009 was dubbed the Tiger Prowl. Head coach Gene Chizik said it's not called that anymore.
Yeah, I know it wasn't Finebaum-esque, but he knows that it's his job to speak favorably of Auburn, so his jabs are much more subtle. "Tricked out vehicles"? Sounds like a bammer on an al.com comments section. And that last paragraph?
I want that asshole fired, or at least transferred off the Auburn beat.
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You were doing good until that part. Your opinion, as usual, is largely very "fan-boyish" and ignorant. He's a WR...they also take advantage of the other tools he has that, while not good enough to start as a QB, bring an extra dimension to the offense. He threw 2 TDs, Rushed for 5, and caught 1. Had 175 yards on 56 carries. He contributed far beyond any "gadgetry".
Nope. the bammer turd is right about this one. KB is taking up a spot on the field that could be used by a true WR. I would much rather have a guy like Winter out there every down than KB. Winter is a guy who will not burn past people (neither will KB), but always seems to be open and catches the ball. How many times have we been 3rd and needy and KB has been open? I know he is an AUBURN man, but so are the rest of the guys.
And as far as the mildcat thing, MF could have done just as well and probably thrown less INTs.
I just do not see aplace in the O for him unless it is "gadgetry".
As for the timing of the announcement, I too feel it was ODD. But not enough to dwell on and see it as an issue. I think we'll see three QBs out on the field all summer long. And by the time fall rolls around, all of the WRs will know how each throws. It should be very interesting.
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Nope. the bammer turd is right about this one. KB is taking up a spot on the field that could be used by a true WR. I would much rather have a guy like Winter out there every down than KB. Winter is a guy who will not burn past people (neither will KB), but always seems to be open and catches the ball. How many times have we been 3rd and needy and KB has been open? I know he is an AUBURN man, but so are the rest of the guys.
And as far as the mildcat thing, MF could have done just as well and probably thrown less INTs.
I just do not see aplace in the O for him unless it is "gadgetry".
If you wish to refer to what he contributes as gadgetry...have a ball. He was, if the math in my head is correct while eyeballing the stats, about 5th on the team in touches per game. He averaged 5 per game, with right at a 4 yard per touch avg, and roughly one TD for every 10 touches, or slightly better. I'm combining Passing, Rushing, and Rec. If you think "the wildcat" is gadgetry. Fine. It's been explained, many a time to be simple old school single wing series football. In the actual WR rotation, he played sparingly, and is perfectly capable of being a solid #4 WR...especially if you want to compare him to Winter who had 1 catch all last year. Wisner, who you may have meant, who simply earned playing time by working his butt off, and through no talent at all, got 5 touches last year. Again, call it what you want...whether it was through what you might call "normal receptions" or whatever, 5 touches per game is about how much an avg starting WR would get. He avg'd a respectable 9.1 yards a catch receiving, and 3.1 per rush...many of which were on the goalline inside the 5 anyway. He was 4th on the team with 8 total TD accounted for behind Todd, Tate, and D. Adams. It's not a point I really want to go on and on about...so if you want to call it gadgetry, I'll give you that. I'll also say that I have no problem whatsoever with a kid that has paid his dues under some trying circumstances, and didn't cry, whine, bitch and moan or play the race card when he wasn't given the staring QB positon, being given a reward of playing time for said good attitude. I also have to think that if he couldn't contribute, the coaches would have had someone out there that could. With Cam as the QB, you can rest assured his role will be reduced this next year.
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Agreed JR. The Corches jobs hinge on winning and losing. They're going to put who they see as the best possible player at each position. Why do anything less? I see Kodi solidly in the rotation as he seems to be looking more comfortable with each game. As a fan, I don't want to see him anywhere near the Mildcat formation, especially not passing out of it. That dude went full on retodd even when he completed one. Fannin was a high school QB and is now a full time running back. He makes sense to run the MC.
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Agreed JR. The Corches jobs hinge on winning and losing. They're going to put who they see as the best possible player at each position. Why do anything less? I see Kodi solidly in the rotation as he seems to be looking more comfortable with each game. As a fan, I don't want to see him anywhere near the Mildcat formation, especially not passing out of it. That dude went full on retodd even when he completed one. Fannin was a high school QB and is now a full time running back. He makes sense to run the MC.
Don't know what they'll do with him this year. He's a Sr. and has worked hard, and contributed. I expect they'll continue to use him, even if just a decoy. IF Fannin can be a threat to complete a pass, he might be a better option as the Mildcat Back. Or they may mix it up some. With Cam as a run threat, you can probably expect to see "The Mildcat" run with base personnel some too.
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Cam and Campbell
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Where the phuk you been?
School my friend. I had to change from engineering major to an education major because my son came to live with me last year and so I was a full time dad again. While this meant my classes would be much easier and I would spend less time at school on projects, I have discovered being a social science education major just meant that they pile on more "busy" work. I had to read more books and write more papers these past two semesters than I ever have before. Yet, I am now better educated about 19th Century Europe and the cultural pasts of Latin America, Africa, and Asia. :vn:
Question about this whole QB thing....were all the incoming freshman we just signed at spring practice? If not, is there a chance that one of them might come in and just awe the coaches enough for Cam to lose his #1 spot?
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School my friend. I had to change from engineering major to an education major because my son came to live with me last year and so I was a full time dad again. While this meant my classes would be much easier and I would spend less time at school on projects, I have discovered being a social science education major just meant that they pile on more "busy" work. I had to read more books and write more papers these past two semesters than I ever have before. Yet, I am now better educated about 19th Century Europe and the cultural pasts of Latin America, Africa, and Asia. :vn:
Question about this whole QB thing....were all the incoming freshman we just signed at spring practice? If not, is there a chance that one of them might come in and just awe the coaches enough for Cam to lose his #1 spot?
Cam Newton was the only QB signed in the '10 class.
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Cam Newton was the only QB signed in the '10 class.
:doh:
That shows how hard I follow the recruiting process.
Still, what if we would have signed one or two incoming freshman? I know sometimes these recruits enroll early if possible, but what if a QB recruit was not at spring practice, but a #1 was named? At that point, what good is naming a #1 at all if you got a guy or two coming in that may be competing for that job in the fall?