The out of conference games would all become jokes because of the in house competition. And who would you bring in?And this is different from now?
And this is different from now?Everyone has at least one out of conference game that is against a tough opponent. These would go away altogether.
I'd say Oklahoma and FSU would be great in the SEC. Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.
Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.
I'd like to see Southern Miss, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Tulane, Florida State and either South Florida or Memphis or Bowling Green or somebody like that join the SEC. Turn it into a three-division league. The SEC Championship would be a two-week deal with the three division winners and one wildcard.
Memphis, Tulane and BG?
What the fuck are you trying to do to our beloved conference?
I needed a sixth school. I hate Miami. Don't want them. Tulane used to be in so that made logical sense to me.
Tried to think of something in Tennessee, Georgia, Kentucky region and came up with Memphis and BG. Besides, it might give Vandy somebody to compete with.
I don't really care who they add but I would like Southern Miss (because it would piss off the entire state of Mississippi and be hilarious) and FSU and Clemson. The other three beyond that if they go to six? Irrelevant.
Everyone has at least one out of conference game that is against a tough opponent. These would go away altogether.
And you are really sporting big wood if you think we would have our choice of any team. Okla.? FSU? UT ? aTm?
That's funny as hell. Schools will not be jumping ship from normal conferences to run to the super conferences as easily as they make it seem. They more than likely will try to create their own. And this means bringing in lesser competition, not better.
And this is different from now?
I'd say Oklahoma and FSU would be great in the SEC. Texas and T A&M will prolly go together, but them in the Big 10 is a geographical nightmare - think away games.
I don't think Texas and Texas A&M in the Big Ten would be too odd. They already have Nebraska, Missouri, and Iowa State, which are all essentially as far north as Iowa, Illinois, Indiana, Ohio State, etc. If they had to go to Syracuse or Penn State, that would be a long way. But they already go about 1,000 miles to Ames and Boulder...so 1,200 miles to Columbus or Madison isn't much of a difference.
I'm sure they would come up with a Big Ten West and East that kept the really long travel to a minimum.
West: Texas, Texas A&M, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio State.
East: Michigan, Penn State, Michigan State, Purdue, Pitt, Syracuse, Rutgers, and Northwestern.
Tech and Clemson to the SEC East
Texas & aTm to the West
phuk FSU...they pussied out years ago.........relegate them back to a female teachers college and they can go down to Thug U every other year and get raped in front of 15,000 Cuban Exiles in the old Orange Bowl.
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Id take FSU over those other ACC schools anyday. FSU is a big marquee name. The others get about 5-10K at their Spring Games and one is in Atlanta so.....
Maybe take Tech and FSU or take Tech, FSU, Clemson and Texas............that would be sweet.....just do not think Texas moves w/o aTm.Out here, TX does not give one small shit about A&M. The rivalry means a helluva lot more to A&M people. I don't think for one minute that it would have to be a both or nothing kind of deal.
Out here, TX does not give one small poop about A&M. The rivalry means a helluva lot more to A&M people. I don't think for one minute that it would have to be a both or nothing kind of deal.
Plus, they could still play as OOC opponents even if TX came to the SEC, kind of like Tulane and LSU do.
Things change over time, so............You are correct, but I think it is a "current day" situation - UT is by far the more dominant, more powerful, more financially secure program in the state, head and shoulders above all the other teams combined. I don't think for one minute in this "money trupms all" climate that UT would blink at leaving without A&M if it were the right thing for UT.
It may not be a stumbling block today....but it was a package deal in the 1990-91 SEC expansion talks.......Arkansas is a member of the SEC today because a solution could not be found to bring both Texas and aTm in 1992 and Texas would not come w/o them.....if my old and addled brain is remembering correctly. :)
You are correct, but I think it is a "current day" situation - UT is by far the more dominant, more powerful, more financially secure program in the state, head and shoulders above all the other teams combined. I don't think for one minute in this "money trupms all" climate that UT would blink at leaving without A&M if it were the right thing for UT.
The UT - OU rivalry is a much bigger game. I would be more interested in how that would be affected since in recent years the winner of that game pretty much sewed up the Big XII South.
I actually dont think Texas and aTm will go to the SEC. I just said they would go wherever together. I really think Neb and FSU are good choices for the SEC. Neb on the West Side. FSU on the east side. 14 teams is plenty. 16 is too many IMHO.
Work much, jadennis? ;)
I think you know the answer...or at least I know you think you know the answer.
This reminds me of my 5 year old trying to play the "place the states" game.Let's just put 'em in alphabetical order.
Alabama isn't next to Lake Superior, Cade.
Let's just put 'em in alphabetical order.
Texas is in the west conference playing west coast teams while Oregon, Oregon St, Washington and Washington State are in the west central playing Arkansas and LSU?
I've seen a lot of time wasted on the interwebs, but this is probably the worst.
This reminds me of my 5 year old trying to play the "place the states" game.
Alabama isn't next to Lake Superior, Cade.
Why is geography the overriding factor?
Because if would cost Alabama and Auburn a poop ton of money to travel to Canada 3 times a year?? Not only does the college spend more money on travel, now they are hiking up tuition to pay for it, which costs everyone.
How about the families of the players? You really think mama is going to let 6 star Johnnie play for Auburn where she could only travel to one road game a year as opposed to letting him play for Florida where she can travel to every venue within a day?
How about the fans? Those guys who make every road game are now being asked to travel across the lower 48 two or three times in a month? It would never work.
Geography has and will always be the key. Just on travel expense alone, your format sucks yetti balls.
yep....would be interesting to see what realignment will do to the Red River Shootout......along your thoughts of richest athletic programs, I found a list from Aug 2009.......:
1 Texas $120,288,370 Big 12
2 Ohio State $117,953,712 Big Ten
3 Florida $106,030,895 SEC
4 Michigan $99,027,105 Big Ten
5 Wisconsin $93,452,334 Big Ten
6 Penn State $91,570,233 Big Ten
7 Auburn $89,305,326 SEC
8 Alabama $88,869,810 SEC
9 Tennessee $88,719,798 SEC
10 Okl St $88,554,438 Big 12
12 LSU $84,183,362 SEC
13 Georgia $84,020,180 SEC
17 Oklahoma $77,098,009 Big 12
21 Texas A&M $74,781,640 Big 12
24 South Car $66,545,953 SEC
So 7 out of the Top 24 are SEC schools, 6 are Big 10 schools with Texas sitting there at #1.........you think a little wheeling dealing/bidding war between the SEC and the Big 10 might break out over the "courting" of Texas? ;) (the Big 12 has 5 in the top 25)
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Full list here (apologies if this list is "old news"): http://www.aretheyworthit.com/college-athletic-programs/richest-college-athletic-departments (http://www.aretheyworthit.com/college-athletic-programs/richest-college-athletic-departments)
ps for GH2001: fwiw both Clemson and Ga. Tech have a wealthier ath. dept than FSU:
34 Clemson $59,126,212 ACC
49 Ga Tech $47,126,247 ACC
53 Fl State $45,414,953 ACC
pps: One more list of the "Have's":Most Valuable football programs in 2009Team Conference Net Worth Total Profit
Notre Dame Independent $101 Million $46 Million
Texas Big 12 $92M $46M
Georgia SEC $90M $44M
Michigan Big 10 $85M $36M
Florida SEC $84M $38M
LSU SEC $76M $32M
Tennessee SEC $74M $33M
Auburn SEC $73M $34M
Alabama SEC $72M $32M
Ohio St Big 10 $71M $27M
Nice work EA. But I still think FSU is a more marquee program with broader appeal and more success per capita.
One question: How can ND's FB program be worth 101 million and their entire Ath Dept not even have enough (80 mill) worth to make the top 10? Are their other sports losing 20 mill +?
Nice work EA. But I still think FSU is a more marquee program with broader appeal and more success per capita.
One question: How can ND's FB program be worth 101 million and their entire Ath Dept not even have enough (80 mill) worth to make the top 10? Are their other sports losing 20 mill +?
I would love to see any athletic departments breakdown on profits and losses for each sport. There may be one floating around, but I've never seen it.
I do remember a number of years ago seeing that Georgia's gymnastics team was on the verge of becoming the first and only woman's program at Georgia to ever break even.
Slive: SEC is internally studying expansion
By Jon Solomon -- The Birmingham News
April 26, 2010, 5:26PM
SEC Commissioner Mike Slive says the conference remains comfortable with its status quo of 12 members, but is internally discussing expansion in case other leagues add schools.
During a meeting today in Birmingham with editors and reporters from the Southeast Region of the Association Press Sports Editors, Slive said the SEC hasn't talked to any potential new schools and doesn't plan to do so.
"Given the success we've experienced over the past decade, we are comfortable in the position in which we find ourselves," he said. "Having said that, if there's going to be a significant shift in the conference paradigm, the SEC will be strategic and thoughtful in order to maintain its position as one of the nation's premiere conferences."
The Big Ten is considering expansion and could be the first domino to fall in a new landscape for college athletics. It's possible the 11-member Big Ten, which has its own lucrative television network, could expand to 12, 14 or 16 schools.
Penn State coach Joe Paterno recently said he favors the Big Ten adding three members. The largest Bowl Championship Series conferences are currently the SEC, Big 12 and ACC, with 12 schools each.
Slive did not specify what would constitute a significant shift in conference realignment that would trigger the SEC to expand.
"I don't know if I can define it. I'll know it when I see it," he said. "Is one league expanding by two, three or four a paradigm shift? I don't know. Is two leagues expanding a paradigm shift? I don't know."
When asked if the SEC is being proactive or waiting to see what the Big Ten does, Slive said the conference is only talking internally about the advantages and disadvantages of expanding. He declined to say if the SEC has compiled a list of schools that would fit or what factors the SEC might look for should it expand.
SEC teams have won the past four national titles in football, and the conference has lucrative television contracts with ESPN and CBS that provides wide TV exposure.
"That doesn't cry out for change," Slive said. "Even though I might not be able to define it at the moment, we have always been known to be a creative league, be on the cutting edge. Thanks to my predecessors, and hopefully some of the things we've done, we're still on that level. We're not going to allow ourselves in any way, shape or form to be anything less than what we are now."