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Title: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 01, 2010, 03:56:59 PM
Given that a few of you swear by this Dave Matthews shit, I considered the fact that I may have misjudged.  When I saw he was going to perform at the Grammys and given the fact that my nine year old was eagerly awaiting the inevitable Taylor Swift conquers the world moments, I decided to watch with an open mind and see if maybe I missed the boat or something. 

After watching his performance?

FUCK NO!  I was 100% right on.  It was a douchebag fest.  I'd rather have my eyes clawed out by an aged ocelot and my ears ravaged by a donkey with a bullhorn than be subjected to that kind of skippity-bee-bop douchebag garbage. 

Glad to know I was right all along.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 01, 2010, 04:12:50 PM
But on the bright side, Taylor Swift was excellent.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 01, 2010, 04:15:36 PM
But on the bright side, Taylor Swift was excellent.

Her performance underwhelmed, IMO.   Her voice, frankly, isn't all that good.  But I'm glad she doesn't hide it's un-goodness by sticking synthesizers and other manipulative Britney Spears crap on top of it.  

The performance I enjoyed was Jamie Foxx, T-Pain, that black oompa loompa and Slash.  Mr. Slash is a serious rock legend.  
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 01, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
Her performance underwhelmed, IMO.   Her voice, frankly, isn't all that good.  But I'm glad she doesn't hide it's un-goodness by sticking synthesizers and other manipulative Britney Spears crap on top of it.  

The performance I enjoyed was Jamie Foxx, T-Pain, that black oompa loompa and Slash.  Mr. Slash is a serious rock legend.  

You missed my czarchasm.  I do agree on the Slash statement though...too bad he played to Mickey Mouse's singing.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: jadennis on February 01, 2010, 05:25:39 PM
If you never saw Dave Matthews live in the mid to late 90s then there is no hope of ever getting what that band was about.  Under the "pop" that they produce for the masses used to be a very, very unique, innovative, and very talented band.  I lost interest in them about 5-7 years ago because they had lost their "edge" or what it was that made them tick.

But from around 1993 to 1998, they were a really, really good live band that was unlike anything else going.  They mixed so many things so well (jazz, rock, etc) because they all came from such different backgrounds.  I guess over the years, those backgrounds became so far in their past, they started to lose that a little.  

Anyway, if you only tuned in to hear them play the Grammys 2010, you've already missed who they were.  It's like listening to Sting's Brand New Day CD (1999) and deciding Zenyatta Mondatta by the Police (1980) must suck (assuming you didn't like Brand New Day).
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 01, 2010, 06:57:54 PM
There was nothing about that performance which indicated there may ever have been anything he had to offer that may have been of even the remotest interest to me.

When he first started "dancing" I was initially concerned that he was accidentally being electrocuted. When I realized he was moving like that on purpose, I hoped that he would be electrocuted.

Skibbledy-bee-bop riffing does not equal talent.

BTW, I get the album analogy. You can't use Psycho Circus to judge Destroyer or get KISS. But we aren't talking albums. We are talking performance.  You can judge what kind of band KISS or AC/DC, etc. Is by watching them perform today.

And that big goofy fuck did laughably have a nominated album so it's not like he's allegedly 30 years past whatever douchebaggy fanboy 15 minutes of fame he had.

Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Jumbo on February 01, 2010, 07:28:19 PM
But on the bright side, Taylor Swift was excellent.
You don't have to sing on key to be the entertainer of the year, poor Stevie Nicks was blown off stage by Taylor's earth shaking vocals.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: BZ770 on February 01, 2010, 10:34:39 PM
http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/TopTourOfTheDecade.pdf (http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/TopTourOfTheDecade.pdf)

Looks like DMB was the #1 Grossing Touring Act in the 2000-2009 decade. Didn't see Kiss on that list.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 01, 2010, 11:03:47 PM
http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/TopTourOfTheDecade.pdf (http://www.pollstarpro.com/files/TopTourOfTheDecade.pdf)

Looks like DMB was the #1 Grossing Touring Act in the 2000-2009 decade. Didn't see Kiss on that list.

Yeah, but I did see Barry Fucking Manilow, *NSYNC, Cher and Toby Keith among others.  No accounting for taste. 

KISS had the top grossing tour in 1996 and 1997.  it had the top grossing tours in 1977 and 1978. 

The band only did limited tours in the years referenced as they had no new material.  Not exactly a legitimate comparison.

Let's see how many geriatric bitches and sweater-wearing geezers wheel their musty asses to see Dave "Douchebag" Matthews 35 years after he began.   We'll see if he can stay at the top in two different decades -- twenty years apart.    Let's see. He started his "music" in 1991 at some queer Earth Day Festival -- there's strike one.  They didn't get popular with the douchebag college crowd until, what, 1994 or 1995?  Hmmm.  KISS was kicking his tour ass then. 

So why don't you come back and tell me how great this liver-spotted douche is if he's still touring in 2029, will that work?   You'll probably be able to go see him at the Brewton Country Club or maybe playing a birthday party at some nursing home then. 

Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 02, 2010, 08:22:16 AM
We have had this discussion. I agree, the performance at the grammy's was less than spectacular, but ALL of his performances at those kind of things are less than spectacular. Like JAD said, his best stuff is in concert and was before he got "pop". I hated seeing him turn to that kind of music because his first 3 or 4 albums were pretty damn good...especially played live.

Judging that performance would be like me judging KISS without make up, pyrotechnics, or drinking blood. Yes Dave dances gay as shit. Yes Dave acts quirky as hell. But his music...more so the old stuff...is good as hell. Especially live.

I like DMB because of what JAD said. Also, I like the acoustic guitar and the way the members of the band brought all kinds of styles into the music. I like hearing the keyboard, sax, guitar, bass violin, etc...in all of the different songs. It is better to me than listening to 2 electric guitars playing power chords as loud as they can. That's just me.

This is what you need to judge DMB on. If you don't like it...fine. Different strokes and stuff...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnq2wi664yc# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnq2wi664yc#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LozZslHeEHk&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LozZslHeEHk&feature=related#)
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 02, 2010, 08:28:51 AM
We have had this discussion.

This is what you need to judge DMB on. If you don't like it...fine. Different strokes and stuff...


I don't like it.  

But...

When Kaos says:  Dave Matthews is for fags and douchebags, he fucking sucks, he should be electrocuted by sticking cables to his scrotum like a fucking Michael Vick dog

Kaos means:  It's not my style.  I prefer other types of music.

BTW, I like KISS partially because I know they sort of suck.  But the KISS Army thing to me has always been a little like the Auburn family.  Growing up an Auburn fan in an Alabama town and getting ridiculed when I was a kid for wearing an Auburn shirt had a lot in common with being a KISS fan when everybody said they sucked.  And then I grew to appreciate what they do.   

Certainly not the only type of music I like.  My iPod list is ridiculously varied and I like it all.  Earth Wind and Fire to Neil Diamond to Tupac to Boozoo Chavis to Eminem to Sinatra to Charlie Daniels to Gordon Lightfoot.  KISS is still the best live show I've been to. 
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 02, 2010, 08:59:58 AM
You like Medeski Martin and Wood? Those guys are pretty good, fusion of jam funk jam...I like to listen to them at work since it's upbeat and instrumental. You may like it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T5991AXPJQ&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5T5991AXPJQ&feature=related#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHkN3ApllCs&feature=PlayList&p=77C95417EE8870D6&index=1# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHkN3ApllCs&feature=PlayList&p=77C95417EE8870D6&index=1#)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj68KYYpmHE&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj68KYYpmHE&feature=related#)



Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 02, 2010, 09:15:21 AM
I would have never figured you for a Boozoo fan.  I had a beautiful clerk at a NOLA record shop talk me into buying one of his CDs several years ago, and have been a huge fan since...of Boozoo too.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 02, 2010, 09:23:53 AM
I would have never figured you for a Boozoo fan.  I had a beautiful clerk at a NOLA record shop talk me into buying one of his CDs several years ago, and have been a huge fan since...of Boozoo too.

Love Cajun music.  Piss my family off every Christmas by playing cajun Christmas music.  They've relegated me to playing it in their presence only one day during the season. 

Also like Buckwheat Zydeco, Clifton Cheneir, Beau Jocque and John Delafose among others.  I like it better when the lyrics are in french and I don't understand. 

There is one song I've been searching for that my daughter used to like years ago.  It's about a dog that's gonna bite.  I've looked all over.  I think Delafose is the artist. 
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 02, 2010, 09:31:23 AM
Love Cajun music.  Piss my family off every Christmas by playing cajun Christmas music.  They've relegated me to playing it in their presence only one day during the season. 

Also like Buckwheat Zydeco, Clifton Cheneir, Beau Jocque and John Delafose among others.  I like it better when the lyrics are in french and I don't understand. 

There is one song I've been searching for that my daughter used to like years ago.  It's about a dog that's gonna bite.  I've looked all over.  I think Delafose is the artist. 

Geno Delafose?  The guy that sings Chickens on the Run?  Don't know why exactly, but I love that song.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 02, 2010, 09:35:56 AM
Geno Delafose?  The guy that sings Chickens on the Run?  Don't know why exactly, but I love that song.

No.  John. 

Weird how shit works.   Looked for months and in five minutes I found it today. 

http://www.last.fm/music/John+Delafose+and+The+Eunice+Playboys/Zydeco+Barnyard/Watch+That+Dog (http://www.last.fm/music/John+Delafose+and+The+Eunice+Playboys/Zydeco+Barnyard/Watch+That+Dog)

The song really isn't that good, but my daughter used to laugh at it.  That makes it worthwhile even fifteen years later.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: lifesapplepie on February 02, 2010, 02:11:20 PM

BTW, I like KISS partially because I know they sort of suck. 

The devil just got very cold!!
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 02, 2010, 03:26:56 PM
The devil just got very cold!!

Never said they were the alpha and omega of music.  I just like them because they know what they are, they put on a good show and they don't try to be something they're not.  They don't tell me who I should vote for like some douchebags (Springsteen, Matthews, Dixies, half the country artists, and U2, for instance).  They don't look down their noses at me or think I'm inferior because I don't subscribe to their particular political or economic views (Matthews again).

They just get on stage, play basic rock and roll and offer entertainment without strings.  Except for the strings to your wallet as you purchase their licensed crap.

Ace is an excellent guitarist and inspired a number of guys like Slash and Eddie Van Halen.  Something to be said for that. 

Paul, who has limited vocal range, is a solid front man and helped change the way bands interact with their audiences. 

Gene is the consummate narcissistic promoter, always thinking of bigger and better ways to build the show (and at the same time deplete your pockets by marketing the image).   Gene completely altered the performance landscape.  Along with bands/people like Alice Cooper, KISS was a driving force behind the elaborate shows that have elevated lesser bands and musicians.  Garth Brooks, for instance, made a career out of his reputation as a live performer and did so by essentially copying the KISS shows he'd watched growing up. 

Peter?  Well, Pete's just a drummer.  But he looks like a cat. 
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: bottomfeeder on February 02, 2010, 04:49:51 PM
It' always better with DMB when David is limited on the vocals. Warren Haynes >>>>>>>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCiLCo-LoUg# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCiLCo-LoUg#)
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 02, 2010, 04:56:58 PM
You forced me...

Black Diamond from 1977


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScrE1Ti_hs0# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScrE1Ti_hs0#)


Same song from 1996

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W75uz0xidJ0&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W75uz0xidJ0&feature=related#)

That's how it's done. 
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Vandy Vol on February 02, 2010, 05:10:34 PM
This is how you really bring the fucking house down:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY#)
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: War Eagle!!! on February 03, 2010, 09:08:55 AM

That's how it's done. 

In 20 years...the shit sounds the exact same. Down to the distortion of the guitars, hand movements and the way they play to the crowd, its all the same. What's the point of listening to the same shit over and over again? If you go to one concert, you have been to them all...

1995
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHQ56stBH1I# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHQ56stBH1I#)

1999
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnmMLrE7uek&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnmMLrE7uek&feature=related#)

Look above for the 2009 version...

Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 03, 2010, 04:56:03 PM
In 20 years...the shit sounds the exact same. Down to the distortion of the guitars, hand movements and the way they play to the crowd, its all the same. What's the point of listening to the same shit over and over again? If you go to one concert, you have been to them all...




 :puke:

Fuck that.  I know Ace's solos by heart.  Miss one bent note and I'm going to notice.  It's the consistency and familiarity that I like.   If he played it different every time I'd fucking HATE it. 
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Thrilla on February 03, 2010, 05:02:34 PM
Holy Shiznit, WE!!! thanks for posting that from 1995.  Friggin' awesome flashback...he's definitely got fat and happy and fine tuned his sound (but most of that is probably due to advancement in music equipment technology)
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 03, 2010, 11:34:56 PM
Tell you what.  The day that Dave has a band of midget impersonaters?  We can talk.  Until then, Dave is back burner. 

(http://media.kissonline.com/non_secure/images/20100203/news/fastcompany/large.jpg)
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Thrilla on February 04, 2010, 10:03:24 AM
Tell you what.  The day that Dave has a band of midget impersonaters?  We can talk.  Until then, Dave is back burner. 

(http://media.kissonline.com/non_secure/images/20100203/news/fastcompany/large.jpg)

As much as I like Dave and just think that KISS is OK...you make a very strong point here. 

Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Buzz Killington on February 04, 2010, 10:59:53 AM
As much as I like Dave and just think that KISS is OK...you make a very strong point here. 



With a KISSSSSSSSS of cherry.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: jadennis on February 04, 2010, 01:59:15 PM
Tell you what.  The day that Dave has a band of midget impersonaters?  We can talk.  Until then, Dave is back burner. 

(http://media.kissonline.com/non_secure/images/20100203/news/fastcompany/large.jpg)

 :rofl: :rofl:

Not sure how the discussion got to this....but you win....no question.

K, one reason I referenced DMB's old stuff was that I know you do have a well rounded musical library.  I thought for sure you would like some of his older stuff.  Maybe you should listen through a few times, try different stuff, etc.  It's hard for me to imagine that you like the stuff you like, but wouldn't find quality in a lot of the DMB stuff. 

Get at least 5 1/2 minutes into this before stopping it.  Boyd Tinsley (the violinist) plays his violin like a guitar....they're creative, I think you'll appreciate it.  Check from 7:15 to 8:15 too to catch drummer Carter Beauford having fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yyixfHhno# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i1yyixfHhno#)

This song is one of my favorites of his.  Great music, well written words I think too...give it 5 1/2 minutes too (preferably 8 1/2 plus).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJO0honXs0&NR=1# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekJO0honXs0&NR=1#)

Here is a good cover of an old Johnny Cash song, Long Black Veil. (no video, the sound is taken from the live DVD Listener Supported).  Great, great song.  Again, give it 5 minutes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36b6zt-P7eQ&feature=related# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36b6zt-P7eQ&feature=related#)

Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 04, 2010, 02:07:16 PM
It's just not my thing.  People sitting around riffing and skippledy-bee-boo never impressed me at all.  

When I hear a band I like I want to hear the music they perform in the way that I enjoy it.  

I know how the guitar solos sound in Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, Sweet Child of Mine and November Rain. As much as I respect Slash's ability, I don't want to hear him boodely-boo-beeping up and down the frets and changing that up.  

Same with Van Halen.  Same with Pink Floyd. Same with Boston. Same with Styx, Journey, Prince, etc.  When I go see Snoop, I know the words and the beat. That's what I want to hear, not a bunch of self-indulgent riffing.

Same with The Eagles.  When they do Hotel California, I have every piece of the end memorized.  Why fuck with it?  

What Dave Matthews does is, to me, the absolute height of arrogance.  It's HIM having fun doodling around.  Fuck him.  

It just doesn't reach me.  
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: wesfau2 on February 04, 2010, 02:21:19 PM
Dave served his purpose in the mid-90's:  He got college girls to drop their panties.  I attended a few shows for just that purpose.

Somewhere along the line, he started putting out the same...fucking...album over and over.

The first one or two albums were listenable, but his lazy songwriting and douchebag audience torpedoed any lasting appeal.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: jadennis on February 04, 2010, 02:36:16 PM
It's just not my thing.  People sitting around riffing and skippledy-bee-boo never impressed me at all.  

When I hear a band I like I want to hear the music they perform in the way that I enjoy it.  

I know how the guitar solos sound in Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, Sweet Child of Mine and November Rain. As much as I respect Slash's ability, I don't want to hear him boodely-boo-beeping up and down the frets and changing that up.  

Same with Van Halen.  Same with Pink Floyd. Same with Boston. Same with Styx, Journey, Prince, etc.  When I go see Snoop, I know the words and the beat. That's what I want to hear, not a bunch of self-indulgent riffing.

Same with The Eagles.  When they do Hotel California, I have every piece of the end memorized.  Why phuk with it?  

What Dave Matthews does is, to me, the absolute height of arrogance.  It's HIM having fun doodling around.  phuk him.  

It just doesn't reach me.  

I can get all that.  But one interesting thing....once you know the music down to the tiniest note, like you mention, you never feel lost in a live Dave Matthews song....even if it's a 10 minute version of a 6 minute song.   You just never feel like "what the hell is this?"...it somehow seems like just more of the same and your brain just anticipates and goes with it as if you've heard it before.

So, maybe his actual album work would make more sense to you.

To change it completely up, I came across this on YouTube.  It's an instrumental (shown here in a tribute to their sax player that died recently).  I used to fall asleep to this 15 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfqDkDIohA8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfqDkDIohA8#)
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Vandy Vol on February 04, 2010, 02:55:30 PM
It's just not my thing.  People sitting around riffing and skippledy-bee-boo never impressed me at all. 

When I hear a band I like I want to hear the music they perform in the way that I enjoy it. 

I know how the guitar solos sound in Welcome to the Jungle, Paradise City, Sweet Child of Mine and November Rain. As much as I respect Slash's ability, I don't want to hear him boodely-boo-beeping up and down the frets and changing that up. 

Same with Van Halen.  Same with Pink Floyd. Same with Boston. Same with Styx, Journey, Prince, etc.  When I go see Snoop, I know the words and the beat. That's what I want to hear, not a bunch of self-indulgent riffing.

Same with The Eagles.  When they do Hotel California, I have every piece of the end memorized.  Why fuck with it? 

What Dave Matthews does is, to me, the absolute height of arrogance.  It's HIM having fun doodling around.  Fuck him.   

It just doesn't reach me. 

I agree to some degree.  Bands like Phish and Widespread Panic annoy the shit out of me with their endless jamming.  They play for so long that it completely changes the song.  I'm not a huge fan of instrumentals either, so when you just fucking jam for that long, the song loses its original identity and becomes some impromptu instrumental that is played in the same key as the original song.

That doesn't mean that I don't like jamming or riffing at all.  Most guitar solos developed from the guitarist "boodely-boo-beeping" on the guitar, and it just became the version they used on the album when they recorded.  And, by their very nature, guitar solos deviate from the chorus and verses of the song so as to provide a different sound, often during a bridge.  However, it doesn't do so to such a degree that the song loses its identity and is unrecognizable or unenjoyable.

I'm not a huge fan of Dave Matthews, but I also don't view him like I do Phish and Widespread Panic.  As jadennis stated, I'm never left wondering what the fuck song Dave Matthews is playing.  The "boodely-boo-beeping" is similar enough (and short enough) that I know it's the same song and can still appreciate the sound of that song.

I view it this way:  You like the solo in Welcome to the Jungle and know what to expect from it.  You like it because you've heard it before, and thus know it and know that you like it.  If you go to a live concert and they decide to change it up, you won't know whether you like it or not until you've heard it.  Their live solo could be completely different and twice as long, but you can't state that you don't like it until you've heard it.

That's how I view live music at concerts.  The band gets bored with playing the same thing over and over for years, and they want to change it up.  Sure, I came to the show because I liked the band and what I know about them.  But just as with every new band or new song that comes out, I won't know whether I like it until I've heard it.  Hearing something new due to a band changing things up doesn't bother me; it's when they completely fucking lose me in non-stop instrumental shit for 10 minutes that I get bored.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 04, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
I agree to some degree.  Bands like Phish and Widespread Panic annoy the shit out of me with their endless jamming.  They play for so long that it completely changes the song.  I'm not a huge fan of instrumentals either, so when you just fucking jam for that long, the song loses its original identity and becomes some impromptu instrumental that is played in the same key as the original song.

That doesn't mean that I don't like jamming or riffing at all.  Most guitar solos developed from the guitarist "boodely-boo-beeping" on the guitar, and it just became the version they used on the album when they recorded.  And, by their very nature, guitar solos deviate from the chorus and verses of the song so as to provide a different sound, often during a bridge.  However, it doesn't do so to such a degree that the song loses its identity and is unrecognizable or unenjoyable.

I'm not a huge fan of Dave Matthews, but I also don't view him like I do Phish and Widespread Panic.  As jadennis stated, I'm never left wondering what the fuck song Dave Matthews is playing.  The "boodely-boo-beeping" is similar enough (and short enough) that I know it's the same song and can still appreciate the sound of that song.

I view it this way:  You like the solo in Welcome to the Jungle and know what to expect from it.  You like it because you've heard it before, and thus know it and know that you like it.  If you go to a live concert and they decide to change it up, you won't know whether you like it or not until you've heard it.  Their live solo could be completely different and twice as long, but you can't state that you don't like it until you've heard it.

That's how I view live music at concerts.  The band gets bored with playing the same thing over and over for years, and they want to change it up.  Sure, I came to the show because I liked the band and what I know about them.  But just as with every new band or new song that comes out, I won't know whether I like it until I've heard it.  Hearing something new due to a band changing things up doesn't bother me; it's when they completely fucking lose me in non-stop instrumental shit for 10 minutes that I get bored.

I'm good with all of this.  I'd prefer not to hear a different version of Welcome to the Jungle, because I liked WttJ enough to come see the band. Them indulging in their own desires by changing it up is unlikely to be met with gratitude. I won't boo them off the stage for it, though. 

I will say that KISS fans are likely to riot if Tommy Thayer misses a single warped chord of an Ace solo.  Not only that, but he has to pretty much nail the movements, too.  It has to be an exact duplicate or he's getting shit from the hardcore fans.  Bruce Kulick didn't get that kind of scrutiny and brought a different sound to some of the songs, but he wasn't painted like Ace.  That changes the dynamic.

Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: jadennis on February 04, 2010, 03:22:14 PM
I'm good with all of this.  I'd prefer not to hear a different version of Welcome to the Jungle, because I liked WttJ enough to come see the band. Them indulging in their own desires by changing it up is unlikely to be met with gratitude. I won't boo them off the stage for it, though. 

I will say that KISS fans are likely to riot if Tommy Thayer misses a single warped chord of an Ace solo.  Not only that, but he has to pretty much nail the movements, too.  It has to be an exact duplicate or he's getting poop from the hardcore fans.  Bruce Kulick didn't get that kind of scrutiny and brought a different sound to some of the songs, but he wasn't painted like Ace.  That changes the dynamic.



Good points VV....Kaos, to me, if a band is going to play exactly the same thing, note for note, every song they play....why even go?  Just listen to the CD.  Now I know, that's like saying why bother to go to a game when you can watch it on TV.  So I don't mean that literally.  But that's kind of why I like that some bands mix it up a least some on some songs.  Lenny Kravitz was good at this.  Some songs...by the book.  Some songs, mixed it up some.  Pearl Jam was this way too (except in the early 90s when they were so drugged up that every song was an adventure, whether they meant for it to be that way or not).

Also...they are the one's that wrote the song and the music...they aren't exactly being disrespectful to it or arrogant if they like to play if differently.  I wouldn't expect a cover band to get creative, it wasn't their creativity that produced the song to begin with.  But if someone wants to expand on their own music, who are we to call them out on it?

For the record, I saw Dave Matthews 11 times, but all from 1993 to 1996 or 97.  Somewhere shortly after that they did lose something.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 04, 2010, 03:55:49 PM
Good points VV....Kaos, to me, if a band is going to play exactly the same thing, note for note, every song they play....why even go?  Just listen to the CD.  Now I know, that's like saying why bother to go to a game when you can watch it on TV.  So I don't mean that literally.  But that's kind of why I like that some bands mix it up a least some on some songs.  Lenny Kravitz was good at this.  Some songs...by the book.  Some songs, mixed it up some.  Pearl Jam was this way too (except in the early 90s when they were so drugged up that every song was an adventure, whether they meant for it to be that way or not).

Also...they are the one's that wrote the song and the music...they aren't exactly being disrespectful to it or arrogant if they like to play if differently.  I wouldn't expect a cover band to get creative, it wasn't their creativity that produced the song to begin with.  But if someone wants to expand on their own music, who are we to call them out on it?

For the record, I saw Dave Matthews 11 times, but all from 1993 to 1996 or 97.  Somewhere shortly after that they did lose something.

Does shit blow up when you listen to the CD?  Can you see somebody fly to the rafters and vomit blood on you from a CD?  Can you listen to the CD and feel the heat of the flames as they roar along to the music?  Can you scream as loud as you want while rockets shoot out of a burning guitar?  Can a CD throw you guitar picks?  Rain confetti on your head?  Will a CD pour smoke out of it?  Shoot lasers? 

It's visual.  I go to hear the music, yeah, but I go to SEE the music, too.  Earth Wind & Fire with their 800 horns used to put on a fantastic visual show.  Loved it.  The white sparkly space suits... awesome.

KISS does mix it up.  Some solos are longer live than on the CD.  There are drum solos added live that aren't on the CD.  (But if you've listened to live CDs you know what's coming when usually). 

I go to be entertained.  En-ter-tain-ed.  Some doofus skibbledy-scoo-booing isn't my idea of entertainment. 
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Vandy Vol on February 04, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
Does shit blow up when you listen to the CD?  Can you see somebody fly to the rafters and vomit blood on you from a CD?  Can you listen to the CD and feel the heat of the flames as they roar along to the music?  Can you scream as loud as you want while rockets shoot out of a burning guitar?  Can a CD throw you guitar picks?  Rain confetti on your head?  Will a CD pour smoke out of it?  Shoot lasers?

I might have an erection...
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: AUTiger1 on February 04, 2010, 04:04:30 PM
You do realize that no matter how much you talk him up or show youtube clips, that Kaos will never like DMB?  Just not his style. 

Oh, and Kaos is right.  You ain't shit and haven't hit the big time until you have bunch of midgets impersonating you.  For me that was the end of discussion.
Title: Re: Dave Matthews... I tried, but.....
Post by: Kaos on February 04, 2010, 04:22:06 PM
You do realize that no matter how much you talk him up or show youtube clips, that Kaos will never like DMB?  Just not his style. 


I won't even watch the clips.  I heard the guy when he first came out, tried it again a couple of years later and it just doesn't work for me. 

I simply don't like it. 

Don't like tomatoes or lettuce on my sandwich either.  Ask that fat black bitch at the Hardees drive through in Demopolis.  I asked her three times if she understood no lettuce or tomatoes because she seemed distracted.  When I found the fucking things on my sandwich, I turned around in the road, went back to the drive through, punched open the window and flung the entire thing at her.   I ate the fries.