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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on January 26, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/333029-auburn-football-recruiting-is-it-for-real-or-is-it-just-hype (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/333029-auburn-football-recruiting-is-it-for-real-or-is-it-just-hype)
Auburn Football Recruiting: Is It For Real or Is It Just Hype?
by
Jack Phillips
The recruiting wars are in full force. The Auburn fans are already buying food and drinks for Signing Day. Somehow, Auburn has found its way into the top five.
I know this will not hold up, and once again high expectations in the Plains are going to turn to weird looks and attacks on opposing SEC schools message boards.
This year, Chizik and staff have gone out and received verbal commitments from athletes in 11 states. California, Missouri, Texas, and Kansas are all sending their boys to south Alabama.
There has to be 200 four-star players within three hours of Auburn. Couldn't they have signed them? No, because you have to get guys who don't know the history in the Plains. The history of an Auburn program shooting itself in the foot. Bowden gate, Tuberville being ousted by the banker etc. It's funny stuff.
One thing I learned from Urban Meyer is to recruit the best athletes you can from as close to the school as possible. There are a couple of reasons. The players like to have family and friends come watch them play.
The biggest reason is a lot of players get home sick if they are too far from home. It's a big deal to be playing on TV, but if your family and friends aren't there to enjoy it with you there is a void. Look at the number of transfers closer to home in 2009.
Once the smoke clears, some of the Auburn verbals are going to go elsewhere. Auburn lost five of their last six SEC games last year. The Malzahn offense worked initially, but it was too predictable after mid-season.
Auburn finished fifth in the SEC West. Not really that impressive. Same Auburn result. Lots of hype, high expectations then attack other SEC message boards.
In 2010, Auburn faithful are praying to sign this class. It's their only shot of staying competitive in the near future.
Alabama is dominating the state and the SEC West, and will continue as long as Saban is there. And Georgia continues to dominate the South's Oldest Rivalry. Georgia will be the SEC East champs in 2010.
In 2010, Auburn will finish the season 5-7. The tigers will lose to Clemson, South Carolina, Arkansas again, Kentucky again, LSU again, Georgia again, and Alabama again. I'm giving you Ole Miss and Miss State, but that's not a gimme either. They could go 3-9.
Here are some predictions to watch for. First, three of the current verbals will go somewhere else, most likely the SEC. This is already in the works.
Marcus Lattimore has a big press conference and commits to South Carolina, making Chizik and company look like losers. Seastrunk and Howard go elsewhere, and that dream dies too.
Gus Malzahn leaves (like at Arkansas). Eric Mack doesn't qualify or drops out of school and never plays a down as a Tiger. Ted Roof gets fired because they are giving up too many big plays. Seen it before. It's very predictable.
Everything at Auburn is based on hype, and that balloon is getting ready to pop. If you are an Auburn fan, you are at the top of the mountain right now, and the only direction to go is down.
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Did Greasey write this?
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The Bleacher Report is full of hacks, nobody's and has beens. It's fodder for a good laugh though.
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This is an actual article on a website?
It's an average message board post at best. Not even worth breaking down.
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Chizad, I will tell you the same thing I tell Prowler. Just because you want it to be really really bad, doesn't mean it is so.
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Chizad, I will tell you the same thing I tell Prowler. Just because you want it to be really really bad, doesn't mean it is so.
Same could be said about the author of that article, Confucius.
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Why even post that barely-literate garbage here?
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Why even post that barely-literate garbage here?
Cause it made me laugh my ass off.
In the interest of disclosure, that was a UGAy fan, not a bammer that wrote that.
Possibly this one.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_b82K1cBLDgQ/SHPpn0aeKEI/AAAAAAAAAFQ/yPd_jFhYYnI/s320/EarlyCuylerSM.jpg)
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Did Greasey write this?
Nope. He capitalized "chizik". Thats proof that he thinks more of him than I do. Antime you have dye in good graces with the team there will be plenty of talent $igned.
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I read enough to actually laugh a little.
Idiots like that amaze me in the fact that they can read and write.
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Idiots like that amaze me in the fact that they can read and write.
Barely.
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Nope. He capitalized "chizik". Thats proof that he thinks more of him than I do. Antime you have dye in good graces with the team there will be plenty of talent $igned.
Nice to know you think so highly of Auburn, jackass.
Tuberville can recruit to Auburn. Richt can recruit to Georgia. Saban/Miles can recruit to LSU. Fulmer/Kiffin can recruit to Tennessee. But if Chizik and his coaches (that are known to be good recruiters) can recruit to Auburn....we must be cheating?
:fu:
Now write me a nice long response that includes how much you do think highly of Auburn, but that you don't think highly of Chizik or Dye, so if recruiting is going well, we must be cheating (even though his staff does most of the recruiting....as do most staffs). :sad:
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Nice to know you think so highly of Auburn, jackass.
Tuberville can recruit to Auburn. Richt can recruit to Georgia. Saban/Miles can recruit to LSU. Fulmer/Kiffin can recruit to Tennessee. But if Chizik and his coaches (that are known to be good recruiters) can recruit to Auburn....we must be cheating?
:fu:
Now write me a nice long response that includes how much you do think highly of Auburn, but that you don't think highly of Chizik or Dye, so if recruiting is going well, we must be cheating (even though his staff does most of the recruiting....as do most staffs). :sad:
Hes about the only person I have ever seen from the AU side who hates Dye. This guy lives in another world. Dye put us back on the map nationally and got the IB in Auburn. The political maneuvering he did for the sake of Auburn was priceless. GreasyPenis needs to up his medication. He is delusional - as he always is.
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Hes about the only person I have ever seen from the AU side who hates Dye. This guy lives in another world. Dye put us back on the map nationally and got the IB in Auburn. The political maneuvering he did for the sake of Auburn was priceless. GreasyPenis needs to up his medication. He is delusional - as he always is.
No, what you don't understand is you're not a real Auburn fan. No one is. But him. He's the only true Auburn fan in existence.
Didn't you get the memo?
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No, what you don't understand is you're not a real Auburn fan. No one is. But him. He's the only true Auburn fan in existence.
Didn't you get the memo?
Ok, so let me make sure I got it right:
Tubs is the greatest thing of all time and should be bowed down to - check.
Dye is scum and did nothing for Auburn - check
Auburn has to cheat to do anything good - check
To be a real Auburn man you have to root against Chizik - check
Make future predictions involving Oct 31st, 2009 and asinine statements that never seem to add up - EVER - check
Come up with a nickname on message boards that is lickened to that of something a pornstar would call his phallus - check
I will see what I can do.
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Hes about the only person I have ever seen from the AU side who hates Dye. This guy lives in another world. Dye put us back on the map nationally and got the IB in Auburn. The political maneuvering he did for the sake of Auburn was priceless. GreasyPenis needs to up his medication. He is delusional - as he always is.
Love Dye. Eternal debt of gratitude for what he did for Auburn.
But he did come up in a different time when things were done a different way. Just like the good ol' boy politics that dominated Alabama under the esteemed George Corley Wallace and continued down through the Folsom clan and such has been replaced by a different kind of corruption, so too has the good ol' boy way of handling things given way to a different breed of coach.
How many kids do you think Dye snatched up by the facemask? Slapped upside the head? It was more than a few. Let's ask Jim Leavitt or Mark Mangino if that shit's gonna fly.
And he did business the Bryant, Switzer, Majors way. Same thing every single coach who spent any time working under the cheating bastard Bryant learned it -- and was subsequently busted. Name one single former Bryant assistant who DIDN'T go on probation at some point. Don't think there is one.
Dye's way of doing things was right for Auburn in 1981. Not sure that still holds true in 2010. And I think that's what greasy - in his belligerent way -- is trying to say.
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Geez K, you are better and smarter than that. Don't agree with this guy. He hates Dye in any capacity. Of course its not good to do it that way now. Nobody says we are going to. I agree though - doing it that way in 1981 was almost a MUST to get equal footing with Bama and national recognition - and it worked. What is our record since 1983 overall and against Bama? GreasyPenis would have us go back to the Barfield years since they were "clean". We owe a debt of gratitude to Dye. He stood toe to toe with Bear and basically told him that Auburn wasn't going to be scared of Bama anymore. Now - tell me it didnt work. No one else had EVER done that. EVER. Not Shug, Not Majors, Not Dooley - no one.
As for the list of Bear proteges that stick out to me with serious NCAA troubles:
Dye
Sherrill
Dubose
Ford - in 2 places!
I guess Croom is one who stayed clean. I actually like Sly. Maybe not the BEST coach in the world, but nice guy nonetheless and he didnt put up with crap at MSU like Sherrill did.
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And he did business the Bryant, Switzer, Majors way. Same thing every single coach who spent any time working under the cheating bastard Bryant learned it -- and was subsequently busted. Name one single former Bryant assistant who DIDN'T go on probation at some point. Don't think there is one.
Howard Schnellenberger & Mike Riley are the only two I can think of that have not been run out of the game by the NCAA.
And Riley played for bryant but never coached under him.
David Cutcliff is another one.....but his connection is a bit of a stretch
WAR EAGLE
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Love Dye. Eternal debt of gratitude for what he did for Auburn.
But he did come up in a different time when things were done a different way. Just like the good ol' boy politics that dominated Alabama under the esteemed George Corley Wallace and continued down through the Folsom clan and such has been replaced by a different kind of corruption, so too has the good ol' boy way of handling things given way to a different breed of coach.
How many kids do you think Dye snatched up by the facemask? Slapped upside the head? It was more than a few. Let's ask Jim Leavitt or Mark Mangino if that shit's gonna fly.
And he did business the Bryant, Switzer, Majors way. Same thing every single coach who spent any time working under the cheating bastard Bryant learned it -- and was subsequently busted. Name one single former Bryant assistant who DIDN'T go on probation at some point. Don't think there is one.
Dye's way of doing things was right for Auburn in 1981. Not sure that still holds true in 2010. And I think that's what greasy - in his belligerent way -- is trying to say.
= Sancho.
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He stood toe to toe with Bear and basically told him that Auburn wasn't going to be scared of Bama anymore. Now - tell me it didnt work. No one else had EVER done that. EVER. Not Shug, Not Majors, Not Dooley - no one.
dont necessarily disagree with your statement but technically it is not true. Shug had no fear of bryant and bryant was said to have feared (as much as a coach can fear any opposing player) one player in his coaching career.........
Pat Sullivan.
WAR EAGLE
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ps: forgot about Croom (but he was somewhat untouchable) and don't forget to add Stallings to your cheaters list.......he and Hootie were knee deep in that poop....and of course, do not leave out my hero Charlie Pell :)
pps: as for using Dooley in your analogy.....it doesn't quite hold. The way the SEC was back then, Dooley did not have to really concern himself with bryant. Dooley won 6 SEC titles and a MNC during bryant's time at uat. Dooley was the only coach to win so many SEC titles and the only SEC coach to win a MNC during bryant's tenure at uat. (iirc)
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Geez K, you are better and smarter than that. Don't agree with this guy. He hates Dye in any capacity. Of course its not good to do it that way now. Nobody says we are going to. I agree though - doing it that way in 1981 was almost a MUST to get equal footing with Bama and national recognition - and it worked. What is our record since 1983 overall and against Bama? GreasyPenis would have us go back to the Barfield years since they were "clean". We owe a debt of gratitude to Dye. He stood toe to toe with Bear and basically told him that Auburn wasn't going to be scared of Bama anymore. Now - tell me it didnt work. No one else had EVER done that. EVER. Not Shug, Not Majors, Not Dooley - no one.
As for the list of Bear proteges that stick out to me with serious NCAA troubles:
Dye
Sherrill
Dubose
Ford - in 2 places!
I guess Croom is one who stayed clean. I actually like Sly. Maybe not the BEST coach in the world, but nice guy nonetheless and he didnt put up with crap at MSU like Sherrill did.
I'm not saying I agree with him, just that I can see where somebody could form that opinion.
I love Coach Dye. He's one of my all time favorite people. But I have to admit that the thought of him prowling the athletic complex doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. Don't know that he is, but that's the vision GW has, anyway.
If it were up to me, Dye would be retiring this season or next with 30 years in, the 1993 national championship and probably a couple of others and the most wins -- by far -- in Auburn history and probably among the top win totals in NCAA history. Might even have pushed Bear off his pedestal.
But you know what? The bama people were scared of just that possibility. They could see the momentum he built and the continued success. So they pulled their shit. Donald Watkins was paid by their boosters to spin all that Eric Ramsey shit -- which really didn't amount to a damn thing when compared to what Bama has done and doing and what USC is doing, etc. It was the tickiest of tack bullshit, but they got to us. They set out to ruin Dye, kill Auburn and bury us forever.
And that's what they want again. They were scared of what Tuberville could do. The 2004 season frightened them to no end, because if we won a NC, there goes everything they have to justify their existence and their self-delusion of superiority. But we didn't wait for them to kill us, we just jumped out there on the sword ourselves.
I certainly don't hate Dye. Not by any stretch. Pat Dye gave me hope when I had none and for that, I can forgive and forget a lot.
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dont necessarily disagree with your statement but technically it is not true. Shug had no fear of bryant and bryant was said to have feared (as much as a coach can fear any opposing player) one player in his coaching career.........
Pat Sullivan.
WAR EAGLE
ps: forgot about Croom (but he was somewhat untouchable) and don't forget to add Stallings to your cheaters list.......he and Hootie were knee deep in that poop.
pps: as for using Dooley in your analogy.....it doesn't quite hold. The way the SEC was back then, Dooley did not have to really concern himself with bryant. Dooley won 6 SEC titles and a MNC during bryant's time at uat. Dooley was the only coach to win so many SEC titles and the only SEC coach to win a MNC during bryant's tenure at uat. (iirc)
I guess I am looking at it from a figurative perspective. I even heard Dye say that in an interview once. It was the impression that Bryant ruled the SEC (and he did) much like Oz. There was an unheard "fear" of him. No one actually looked him in the eye like that without flinching. Shug - bless him, what a great human being - didn't have that killer instinct, which is probably the main reason folks liked him. He wasn't cut throat and win at all costs. Like I said - I actually admire him because of this. To him, I think life was very important and FB was just a part of it - as it SHOULD be. To Bear, FB was life. Dye comes along and has the edge and tenacity to look the old man in the eye and let him know he was NOT gonna take his bullpoop anymore.
That was what no one else had done. Sorry for not clarifying.
And for the record - I would not trade Shug for Bryant in a million years. Shug was as good of a man as you would find. But I know you know this EA with your unmatched "historical Auburn" IQ ;) Have a good un buddy. We need to get those crappie frying soon lol
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= Sancho.
You need to go read that book. You don't understand the concept of Sancho at all.
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You need to go read that book. You don't understand the concept of Sancho at all.
Green Eggs and Ham? It was a good un!
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You need to go read that book. You don't understand the concept of Sancho at all.
Your comparison, not mine.
You're blind to the fact that everything you accuse me of doing for Prowler, you do the same with the indefensible babbling rehtard (accent on the tard).
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Nice to know you think so highly of Auburn, jackass.
Tuberville can recruit to Auburn. Richt can recruit to Georgia. Saban/Miles can recruit to LSU. Fulmer/Kiffin can recruit to Tennessee. But if Chizik and his coaches (that are known to be good recruiters) can recruit to Auburn....we must be cheating?
:fu:
Now write me a nice long response that includes how much you do think highly of Auburn, but that you don't think highly of Chizik or Dye, so if recruiting is going well, we must be cheating (even though his staff does most of the recruiting....as do most staffs). :sad:
I, for one, don't find it odd that Greasybammer is running the same smack as the bammers on Finebaum. "Auburn's good recruiting is a product of __________________________." (Fill in the blank with: "cheating", "Malzahn who will soon be gone", "selling playing time", "dubious commitments that won't actually sign", "players taking the first big time offer because others won't offer due to knowing they won't qualify"). Standard issue bammer babble...Auburn CAN'T possibly recruit on the up and up, AND sign the player, AND have them stay! Auburn Sucks! Nobody would want to come to Auburn unless they got paid! Blah, blah, blah. SSDD, fuck off greasycocksucker!
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The greatest difference maker between Alabama and Auburn is the fact that Paul Bryant signed a 10 year contract to became both the Athletic Director and Head Coach at Alabama after leaving Texas A&M with the same jobs.
We know of Junction, Texas in 1954. Two years later Bryant's team went 9-0-1 winning the SWC Championship but could not go to a bowl due to a two year ban because of players receiving money from a year earlier. Bryant went 8-3 in 1957 before accepting at Alabama in 1958.
Yes the climate was different because news of certain notoriety didn't follow a coach nor scare off a school intent on winning. Shug Jordan was at once disadvantaged by not holding the title of Athletic Director at Auburn. Doug Barfield did his damn best to keep Auburn on equal footing and Pat Dye knew exactly what he was up against.
It might make one wince to see Dye still about town, but Bryant had intentions of continuing on as AD in Tuscaloosa after retiring as Head Coach. And the negatives and positives of a Pat Dye might not balance well for some at Auburn, but I do not wish to imagine the landscape of football in this state without him.