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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on December 14, 2009, 12:34:23 PM
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I know it was touched on in a thread or two, but I thought the subject was deserving of it's own.
Bammers by and large (notably Vagisil, but he's far from alone) mercilessly mocked Ben Tate for shedding a tear after the Iron Bowl.
They mercilessly mocked Tebow for crying after the SEC championship game. A girl I work with had a printed fark involving Tebow and a box of tissues outside her cubicle.
Mark Ingram looks like Susan Lucci up there not only during the ceremony, but in the press conference after as well.
And Vagisil has the balls to leave that up as his avatar.
Amazing.
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They mocked Tate after the Georgia game. After the Alabama-Auburn game, Tate was a ghost. Probably thinking about his NFL future where he hopefully could put the bullshit of SEC fans behind him. He is from Maryland after all. This has probably been the weirdest few years of his young life.
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They mocked Tate after the Georgia game. After the Alabama-Auburn game, Tate was a ghost. Probably thinking about his NFL future where he hopefully could put the bullshit of SEC fans behind him. He is from Maryland after all. This has probably been the weirdest few years of his young life.
Yeah, that's what I meant. I'm a tard sometimes.
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That's not called irony, Chad. It's called stupidity.
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That's not called irony, Chad. It's called stupidity.
Agree. Most of the people who were mocking Tate or Tebow have probably never played organized football beyond pee wee/pop warner level.
Unless you have played some high school or Juco football, you have no idea the emotions that a team (or individual) can go through during a single game, especially considering what Tebow and the Gators were playing for, its only right to play with emotion. When shit doesn't go your way, you are emotionally spent. Tebow seemed to just have a little breakdown.
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I cried like a little bitch when we lost the HS State Championship game...
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I cried like a little bitch when we lost the HS State Championship game...
"and then there's "Pretty In Pink" which I can't watch with this tubby ... he starts sobbin' like a little eight-year-old with a skinned knee and shit."
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I cried like a little bitch when we lost the HS State Championship game...
What teams? year? score?
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I cried like a little bitch when we lost the HS State Championship game...
My last football game (not State Championship 1st round of the playoffs) cried. That same year we lost to Marengo Academy (State Championship game in baseball)and I cried like a little girl as well. When you put everything you have into a game and you come up short you hurt and it is just a part of it.
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I cried like a little bitch when we lost the HS State Championship game...
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?... Yeah... Coach woulda put me in fourth quarter, we would've been state champions. No doubt. No doubt in my mind.
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And what makes it even more hypocritical is that all 3 did so under the same context.
wait, what?
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And what makes it even more hypocritical is that all 3 did so under the same context.
wait, what?
and?
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And what makes it even more hypocritical is that all 3 did so under the same context.
wait, what?
So crying is acceptable as long as you're happy?
OK, Corky.
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So crying is acceptable as long as you're happy?
OK, Corky.
Happy? Happy?
That bee-stung faced fuck was crying because he was afraid he'd get caught stealing the Heisman. He knew it was a sham and he had no business carrying it around up there.
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So crying is acceptable as long as you're happy?
OK, Corky.
Two scenarios. Harboring two totally different emotions. In this case the two different emotions presented the same reaction. Crying. If you're asking me if there's a difference in the two situations the answer is an obvious yes.
Here's a question for you. Say your buddy cries because you and him are watching a scary movie. He cried from fear. Now say your buddy cries because he's watching the birth of his daughter. He cried from happiness. What is your reaction to the two situations? Are they the same? Of course not, but both cried didn't they? The two different situations merited one of them a reasonable or acceptable time to cry and one of them an embarrassing time to cry.
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Two scenarios. Harboring two totally different emotions. In this case the two different emotions presented the same reaction. Crying. If you're asking me if there's a difference in the two situations the answer is an obvious yes.
Here's a question for you. Say your buddy cries because you and him are watching a scary movie. He cried from fear. Now say your buddy cries because he's watching the birth of his daughter. He cried from happiness. What is your reaction to the two situations? Are they the same? Of course not, but both cried didn't they? The two different situations merited one of them a reasonable or acceptable time to cry and one of them an embarrassing time to cry.
Real men are not afraid to cry at any point. Especially if it will get you laid.
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Real men are not afraid to cry at any point. Especially if it will get you laid.
Should that mean you and the others in this thread can't comprehend the difference why one may be a more acceptable time to cry than the other? Stick to the topic. Real men can cry and may not be afraid to do so. That doesn't mean they won't cry at an inappropriate time and they shouldn't expect for people not to talk about it if that happens. It just means they weren't afraid to do it.
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Two scenarios. Harboring two totally different emotions. In this case the two different emotions presented the same reaction. Crying. If you're asking me if there's a difference in the two situations the answer is an obvious yes.
Here's a question for you. Say your buddy cries because you and him are watching a scary movie. He cried from fear. Now say your buddy cries because he's watching the birth of his daughter. He cried from happiness. What is your reaction to the two situations? Are they the same? Of course not, but both cried didn't they? The two different situations merited one of them a reasonable or acceptable time to cry and one of them an embarrassing time to cry.
So it is you that is given the right to judge ones emotional ties to a situation?
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Two scenarios. Harboring two totally different emotions. In this case the two different emotions presented the same reaction. Crying. If you're asking me if there's a difference in the two situations the answer is an obvious yes.
Here's a question for you. Say your buddy cries because you and him are watching a scary movie. He cried from fear. Now say your buddy cries because he's watching the birth of his daughter. He cried from happiness. What is your reaction to the two situations? Are they the same? Of course not, but both cried didn't they? The two different situations merited one of them a reasonable or acceptable time to cry and one of them an embarrassing time to cry.
You're setting yourself up for looking like the douche you are.
What are you going to say if your Alabama players cry after losing to Texas? They are likely going to win, but what if they lose? If they do, what will you say if they cry? It's a 100% guarantee some of them will...it's what a lot of people do when they care.
So will you be here to call your little Saban pawns bitches?
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So it is you that is given the right to judge ones emotional ties to a situation?
Absolutely. And you too. And everyone else also. It's called our opinion and we all are allowed to have one despite a known bias or our intentions. Some are wrong and even that, once again, is up to your opinion. In this case it appears that you and I disagree but in no way does that insinuate that I have less right to my opinion than you do to yours.
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Should that mean you and the others in this thread can't comprehend the difference why one may be a more acceptable time to cry than the other? Stick to the topic. Real men can cry and may not be afraid to do so. That doesn't mean they won't cry at an inappropriate time and they shouldn't expect for people not to talk about it if that happens. It just means they weren't afraid to do it.
It means you should read the smaller print.
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Two scenarios. Harboring two totally different emotions. In this case the two different emotions presented the same reaction. Crying. If you're asking me if there's a difference in the two situations the answer is an obvious yes.
Here's a question for you. Say your buddy cries because you and him are watching a scary movie. He cried from fear. Now say your buddy cries because he's watching the birth of his daughter. He cried from happiness. What is your reaction to the two situations? Are they the same? Of course not, but both cried didn't they? The two different situations merited one of them a reasonable or acceptable time to cry and one of them an embarrassing time to cry.
Honest question. Have you played any sort of sport at the high school level or above? My guess is no.
If so, congratulations. I'll bet you were the one on the team that never got any real playing time, so you weren't "emotionally invested" in the team. You probably just played to wear the jersey on fridays and offered nothing more to the team other than to be an extra man when the real team was scheming for your next opponent. When the team lost, you showed no emotions, again because you weren't really into being on the team.
You laughed at those upset or crying. Why were they crying? Not because of embarassment, but because they knew that they put everything they had into the team, left it all out on the field so to say, and still came up short. It really is hard to comprehend the sadness and disappointment you feel at this point in your young life unless you've been there.
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I did read the small print. I was busy trying to stick to the topic, especially since the original question was asked with my name attached.
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Absolutely. And you too. And everyone else also. It's called our opinion and we all are allowed to have one despite a known bias or our attentions. Some are wrong and even that, once again, is up to your opinion. In this case it appears that you and I disagree but in no way does that insinuate that I have less right to my opinion than you do to yours.
Thats good that you think that then. Based your one statement, you can totally understand that Ingram is just as much or of a cry baby as any of the others mentioned, because that is the overwhelming consensus here.
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You're setting yourself up for looking like the douche you are.
What are you going to say if your Alabama players cry after losing to Texas? They are likely going to win, but what if they lose? If they do, what will you say if they cry? It's a 100% guarantee some of them will...it's what a lot of people do when they care.
So will you be here to call your little Saban pawns bitches?
Couldn't be more wrong. Almost nobody that is a critic of Tebow or Tate crying has a smart comment to make about them crying. They are a critic of them doing it on the field instead of in the locker room. If news came out 3 days after the game that Tebow cried after the loss with his team mates in the locker room do you think everyone would make such a deal about it? EVERYBODY CRIES, the insults come when it is at a time and place deemed appropriate by whoever is doing the deeming.
If Bama players were to cry on the field after losing they'll get the same criticism as Tebow, bank it. No way do they get away with it if it happens.
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Thats good that you think that then. Based your one statement, you can totally understand that Ingram is just as much or of a cry baby as any of the others mentioned, because that is the overwhelming consensus here.
Show me where I've had a problem with any of you thinking that? I care as much about your thinking Ingram's a pussy as you do knowing I think Tate's a pussy. Have I went off on any threads asking you guys to stop saying that about him? Trying to understand what point you're trying to prove here. You think Ingram's a pussy. Alright, got it. :thumbsup:
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No way do they get away with it....
......not even on National Television, and being the focus of attention.
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Show me where I've had a problem with any of you thinking that? I care as much about your thinking Ingram's a pussy as you do knowing I think Tate's a pussy. Have I went off on any threads asking you guys to stop saying that about him? Trying to understand what point you're trying to prove here. You think Ingram's a pussy. Alright, got it. :thumbsup:
Have I asked you to stop calling Tate a pussy? The point is that you have put yourself on the line calling out other players for crying. Now that one of yours has cried in front of the camera, you just want to defend it by saying one had more right than another. Sorry, thats just hypocritical, opinionated or not.
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......not even on National Television, and being the focus of attention.
Pretty sure you misunderstood what I said. I'm saying they won't get a free pass. Any player that cries on the field will almost instantly be featured in their very own youtube video 30 minutes after the game. If they do it in the locker room with their teammates, no big deal will be made. Do you disagree?
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Have I asked you to stop calling Tate a pussy? The point is that you have put yourself on the line calling out other players for crying. Now that one of yours has cried in front of the camera, you just want to defend it by saying one had more right than another. Sorry, thats just hypocritical, opinionated or not.
Okay. :thumbsup:
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Pretty sure you misunderstood what I said. I'm saying they won't get a free pass. Any player that cries on the field will almost instantly be featured in their very own youtube video 30 minutes after the game. If they do it in the locker room with their teammates, no big deal will be made. Do you disagree?
No, I dont disagree with that.
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Honest question. Have you played any sort of sport at the high school level or above? My guess is no.
If so, congratulations. I'll bet you were the one on the team that never got any real playing time, so you weren't "emotionally invested" in the team. You probably just played to wear the jersey on fridays and offered nothing more to the team other than to be an extra man when the real team was scheming for your next opponent. When the team lost, you showed no emotions, again because you weren't really into being on the team.
You laughed at those upset or crying. Why were they crying? Not because of embarassment, but because they knew that they put everything they had into the team, left it all out on the field so to say, and still came up short. It really is hard to comprehend the sadness and disappointment you feel at this point in your young life unless you've been there.
I'm the same as almost every other person in here. I was a bad ass Linebacker and was recruited by Bear Bryant. I blew out my knee my senior year and never saw the field again. :)
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Show me where I've had a problem with any of you thinking that? I care as much about your thinking Ingram's a pussy as you do knowing I think Tate's a pussy. Have I went off on any threads asking you guys to stop saying that about him? Trying to understand what point you're trying to prove here. You think Ingram's a pussy. Alright, got it. :thumbsup:
I saw you correct someone's spelling in another thread. Please don't do that if you're going to say things like, "have I went off".
Also, I think the best point would be this. Unless provoked most people here would not think Ingram was a "pussy" or "bitch" if he were crying on the bench as his team lost a big game. If anyone did say something along those lines, it would only be (as is the case in this thread) in response to someone like you who seems to think crying after a loss (on the sideline) makes you said pussy or bitch.
This is basically example #238 of why a lot of Alabama fans are considered douche bags and a most Auburn fans are considered to have more class. I know we've touched on this before and you aren't buying it, I'm just giving another example of why it's the stereotype of each fan base.
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Also, I think the best point would be this. Unless provoked most people here would not think Ingram was a "pussy" or "bitch" if he were crying on the bench as his team lost a big game. If anyone did say something along those lines, it would only be (as is the case in this thread) in response to someone like you who seems to think crying after a loss (on the sideline) makes you said pussy or bitch.
You're forgetting details here. You have to include the details or it would appear that what you've written above is what happened with Tate. Tate wasn't crying on the bench after a tough loss. Tate was crying on the bench after a tough loss after being reported saying he was the best running back in the state of Alabama and following that with a 67 yard rushing effort. Without him saying that (which he doesn't deny saying) then Alabama fans more than likely would have briefly talked about #4 crying after the Auburn game.
IF... Ingram came out and said that he was the best back in the state before the Ironbowl and then was shutdown (like he was) and then preceded to cry after the game... this board would be a circus and rightfully so. The same is true with Tates comments before his crying.
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You're forgetting details here. You have to include the details or it would appear that what you've written above is true. Tate wasn't crying on the bench after a tough loss. Tate was crying on the bench after a tough loss after being reported saying he was the best running back in the state of Alabama and following that with a 67 yard rushing effort. Without him saying that (which he doesn't deny saying) than Alabama fans more than likely would have briefly talked about #4 crying after the Auburn game.
IF... Ingram came out and said that he was the best back in the state before the Ironbowl and then was shutdown (like he was) and then preceded to cry after the game. This board would be a circus and rightfully so. The same is true with Tates comments before his crying.
You may have accidentally made a good point.
However, I think what you wrote above is good reason to not feel sorry for him, and good reason to mock his misery. But to keep on the "Tate is a bitch because he cried" rant doesn't really fit. But I understand why you do it.
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You may have accidentally made a good point.
However, I think what you wrote above is good reason to not feel sorry for him, and good reason to mock his misery. But to keep on the "Tate is a bitch because he cried" rant doesn't really fit. But I understand why you do it.
You're probably right but there's literally not a chance in hell I'm changing all the Ben Tate stuff in my sig and everything until I gain access to changing my name to Birmingham. It's nothing I'm overly concerned about but I'm also stubborn. Whattaya gonnado.
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I'm the same as almost every other person in here. I was a bad ass Linebacker and was recruited by Bear Bryant. I blew out my knee my senior year and never saw the field again. :)
How old are you that you were recruited by the bear?
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How old are you that you were recruited by the bear?
Doesn't matter, I've got the facts! Linebacker, Bear, blown out knee.
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Doesn't matter, I've got the facts! Linebacker, Bear, blown out knee.
Left or right?
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Left or right?
Ummm, uhhh... the middle... uhhh patella... painpills...DAMMIT!!!!
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What teams? year? score?
1995 6A State Championship game at Legion Field. Jeff Davis lost 7-6 to Central of Tuscaloosa by a missed XP. Your boy was MVP....Holla...
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Ummm, uhhh... the middle... uhhh patella... painpills...DAMMIT!!!!
I knew it! You didn't get recruited by teh Bahr.
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I knew it! You didn't get recruited by teh Bahr.
Does that mean I have to stop telling people that? I don't want to be the only person that doesn't tell that story.
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Tate may be a pussy for crying...but at least he doesn't QUIT during a football game.
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Tate may be a pussy for crying...but at least he doesn't QUIT during a football game.
:thumbsup:
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:thumbsup:
By the way I meant to ask what is your stance on crying over a rule change in a fictional pick'em game?
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By the way I meant to ask what is your stance on crying over a rule change in a fictional pick'em game?
You mean giving an opinion? Well that depends on if your opinion was asked for. If it was than I think it's okay to go ahead and give it. If you associate "disagreeing" with "crying" than I'm sure this didn't answer your question.
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By the way I meant to ask what is your stance on crying over a rule change in a fictional pick'em game?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqtH5_ZFOk# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlqtH5_ZFOk#)
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These guys didn't cry....
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Two scenarios. Harboring two totally different emotions. In this case the two different emotions presented the same reaction. Crying. If you're asking me if there's a difference in the two situations the answer is an obvious yes.
Here's a question for you. Say your buddy cries because you and him are watching a scary movie. He cried from fear. Now say your buddy cries because he's watching the birth of his daughter. He cried from happiness. What is your reaction to the two situations? Are they the same? Of course not, but both cried didn't they? The two different situations merited one of them a reasonable or acceptable time to cry and one of them an embarrassing time to cry.
Flip it up...
My buddy cries cause his baby is being born... I'm like, "shit dude, it's a damn baby. It smells funny, will leach hundreds of thousands of dollars off you before you die, and your wife is the one going through all the pain... wtf is wrong with you?"
But it's not a scary movie that makes my other friend cry... it's the fact that he's worked 12 hours days 4 years in a row towards a promotion, and doesn't get it. That's what makes tears come. Fuck no I'm not going to bash on him for letting a few tears fall when he gets the news. Being emotionally dedicated to something then have it fall to shambles? Yeah, I'll turn the other way while you drop a few salty wet ones.
OK, so I wouldn't be like that to a friend having a kid. But the fact is, I'm not making fun of Ingram because he cried... I'm making fun of the bammers that think there's a huge difference. Extreme emotion... sadness, happiness... whatever it is, the fact is that EXTREME emotion causes tears.
They're all "crybaby, crybaby, crybaby." Then when one of their guys cries on national TV.... "oh, it's different."
:rolleyes:
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Flip it up...
My buddy cries cause his baby is being born... I'm like, "poop dude, it's a damn baby. It smells funny, will leach hundreds of thousands of dollars off you before you die, and your wife is the one going through all the pain... wtf is wrong with you?"
But it's not a scary movie that makes my other friend cry... it's the fact that he's worked 12 hours days 4 years in a row towards a promotion, and doesn't get it. That's what makes tears come. phuk no I'm not going to bash on him for letting a few tears fall when he gets the news. Being emotionally dedicated to something then have it fall to shambles? Yeah, I'll turn the other way while you drop a few salty wet ones.
OK, so I wouldn't be like that to a friend having a kid. But the fact is, I'm not making fun of Ingram because he cried... I'm making fun of the bammers that think there's a huge difference. Extreme emotion... sadness, happiness... whatever it is, the fact is that EXTREME emotion causes tears.
They're all "crybaby, crybaby, crybaby." Then when one of their guys cries on national TV.... "oh, it's different."
:rolleyes:
Atleast you get it
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Atleast you get it
At least you get it??? You know he's an Auburn fan right? Maybe I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure he's an Auburn fan. That's like Bush looking at Chaney after announcing we're not leaving Iraq and saying "atleast you get it." (for the record the analogy just given is basically interchangeable with Obama looking at Biden... take your pick depending on your affiliation.)
Back to your comment. It was the greatest post of this thread.
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You know how I know you're gay?
You put a tremendous amount of time and effort discussing men crying.
All of you.
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The only reason I ever said anything about Tate boo-hooing was because of his smack talk. When you lay on that type of smack talk, get ready for whats coming to you. Had he not talked shit? I never would have said one word. I said it then, and I'm sticking to it now. Whether thats why my fellow fans are making fun of Ben Tate, I don't really know. Its sort of like some are with Vagisil. He talks an enormous amount of shit. Some real life shit happens, and more than likely, you guys aren't going to give a shit. Same deal with me. Its not that you are so much laughing at somebody's misfortune; you're just laughing at them getting theirs.
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The only reason I ever said anything about Tate boo-hooing was because of his smack talk. When you lay on that type of smack talk, get ready for whats coming to you. Had he not talked poop? I never would have said one word. I said it then, and I'm sticking to it now. Whether thats why my fellow fans are making fun of Ben Tate, I don't really know. Its sort of like some are with Vagisil. He talks an enormous amount of poop. Some real life poop happens, and more than likely, you guys aren't going to give a poop. Same deal with me. Its not that you are so much laughing at somebody's misfortune; you're just laughing at them getting theirs.
Yeah. Mountains of smack talk. Asked who he thought was the best and he said he was. Know what? He might be right. Different teams, different situations. Their numbers weren't really dissimilar.
Stupid douches. All of you bama pole-puffers.
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Yeah. Mountains of smack talk. Asked who he thought was the best and he said he was. Know what? He might be right. Different teams, different situations. Their numbers weren't really dissimilar.
Where's his hardware?
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Bear recruits from the grave. Ain't some of his ashes on the field there? Ncaa infraction for having too many coaches.
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Yeah. Mountains of smack talk. Asked who he thought was the best and he said he was. Know what? He might be right. Different teams, different situations. Their numbers weren't really dissimilar.
Stupid douches. All of you bama pole-puffers.
Every single coach in the SEC thinks Ingram is the better back. He was a unanimous first team All-SEC pick. I will trust their evaluation over yours, or Ben Tate's any day. Apparently, they don't think he is in the top 4 of SEC backs, as they picked two first teamers and two second teamers; Tate was not listed. Is Tate a good back? Certainly. But not the best back in the state. He said himself that if you asked teams in the SEC who is the best back in the state, he thinks it would be him. Looking at the All-SEC selections, which are voted on by coaches in the SEC, I would say his comment is a resounding fail.
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At least you get it??? You know he's an Auburn fan right? Maybe I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure he's an Auburn fan. That's like Bush looking at Chaney after announcing we're not leaving Iraq and saying "atleast you get it." (for the record the analogy just given is basically interchangeable with Obama looking at Biden... take your pick depending on your affiliation.)
Back to your comment. It was the greatest post of this thread.
:taunt:
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Every single coach in the SEC thinks Ingram is the better back. He was a unanimous first team All-SEC pick. I will trust their evaluation over yours, or Ben Tate's any day. Apparently, they don't think he is in the top 4 of SEC backs, as they picked two first teamers and two second teamers; Tate was not listed. Is Tate a good back? Certainly. But not the best back in the state. He said himself that if you asked teams in the SEC who is the best back in the state, he thinks it would be him. Looking at the All-SEC selections, which are voted on by coaches in the SEC, I would say his comment is a resounding fail.
You flip the two and put Tate where Ingram is and vice versa? Team results would be about the same.
Ingram is no better than Tate (or about six other backs in the SEC). The situation made him, he didn't make the situation.
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I have something to say. THE BAD MAN PUNTED BAXTER!
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Every single coach in the SEC thinks Ingram is the better back. He was a unanimous first team All-SEC pick. I will trust their evaluation over yours, or Ben Tate's any day. Apparently, they don't think he is in the top 4 of SEC backs, as they picked two first teamers and two second teamers; Tate was not listed. Is Tate a good back? Certainly. But not the best back in the state. He said himself that if you asked teams in the SEC who is the best back in the state, he thinks it would be him. Looking at the All-SEC selections, which are voted on by coaches in the SEC, I would say his comment is a resounding fail.
You continuously keep your head in the sand about the rest of the quote in which he said Mark Ingram was a phenomenal back and he was definitely pulling for him to win the Heisman.
That doesn't fit your excuse though, so I understand.
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You continuously keep your head in the sand about the rest of the quote in which he said Mark Ingram was a phenomenal back and he was definitely pulling for him to win the Heisman.
That doesn't fit your excuse though, so I understand.
And you continuously keep your head in the sand that he said he felt like he was the best back in the state. Thats like saying "I'm an ax murderer, but I would never hurt anybody." When he flat out said he thought he was the best back in the state, how are you really supposed to believe the other stuff? How do the two statements NOT contradict each other? "Yeah, I'm the best back in the state, but that kid totally deserves to win the Heisman." It doesn't make sense. But then again, its not like thats been stopping you lately. All it boils down to is he let some smack slip out, and then almost broke his neck back tracking on it. Why else would he make two totally contradicting statements like that?
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And you continuously keep your head in the sand that he said he felt like he was the best back in the state. Thats like saying "I'm an ax murderer, but I would never hurt anybody." When he flat out said he thought he was the best back in the state, how are you really supposed to believe the other stuff? How do the two statements NOT contradict each other? "Yeah, I'm the best back in the state, but that kid totally deserves to win the Heisman." It doesn't make sense. But then again, its not like thats been stopping you lately. All it boils down to is he let some smack slip out, and then almost broke his neck back tracking on it. Why else would he make two totally contradicting statements like that?
You are a fucking dumb ass...your examples are as dumb as your messed up logic. I'm an axe murdered but would never hurt anyone? That's dumb dude...
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Every single coach in the SEC thinks Ingram is the better back. He was a unanimous first team All-SEC pick. I will trust their evaluation over yours, or Ben Tate's any day. Apparently, they don't think he is in the top 4 of SEC backs, as they picked two first teamers and two second teamers; Tate was not listed. Is Tate a good back? Certainly. But not the best back in the state. He said himself that if you asked teams in the SEC who is the best back in the state, he thinks it would be him. Looking at the All-SEC selections, which are voted on by coaches in the SEC, I would say his comment is a resounding fail.
First of all, coaches don't vote for those things and you know it. And Kaos' point about swapping them and getting the same results is exactly right.
Personally I think Hardesty is probably better then both of them. His line was okay, but his passing game support was worthless most of the time. Talk about a defense knowing what's coming, and he still ended up with 1,300 yards.
Plug Hardesty or Anthony Dixon (1,391 yards) into the Alabama backfield and they both easily surpass the 1,500 yard mark.
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You are a fucking dumb ass...your examples are as dumb as your messed up logic. I'm an axe murdered but would never hurt anyone? That's dumb dude...
Just as dumb as arguing that he didn't really mean to say that he was the best back in the state because after he said it he was complimentary of Ingram.
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Just as dumb as arguing that he didn't really mean to say that he was the best back in the state because after he said it he was complimentary of Ingram.
No one is arguing that he didn't really mean to say he was the best back in the state...
You know what, fuck it...
It is not worth arguing with someone with no sense...
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Maybe a bad analogy but anyone who watches the UFC, knows that there's not a fighter in that entire sport that doesn't openly say, "I'm the better man and I plan on pounding this bitch out". They do NOT give props until they're ass is whipped. Tate said he thinks he's the best back but gave total props to Ingram. Is he confident? Yes. A little cocky? Maybe, but it doesn't look like that when he goes on to give so much credit to his counterpart. I'm just not seeing it.
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Where's his hardware?
Yeah, if you don't win the Heisman, you're no one.
Signed,
Vince Young,
Peyton Manning,
Adrian Peterson,
Larry Fitzgerald,
Ladanian Tomlinson,
Michael Vick,
Drew Brees,
Carnel Williams,
Marshall Faulk,
Rex Grossman,
Darren McFadden,
Steve Slaton,
Colt McCoy, and
Larry Johnson.
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Yeah, if you don't win the Heisman, you're no one.
Signed,
Vince Young,
Peyton Manning,
Adrian Peterson,
Larry Fitzgerald,
Ladanian Tomlinson,
Michael Vick,
Drew Brees,
Carnel Williams,
Marshall Faulk,
Rex Grossman,
Darren McFadden,
Steve Slaton,
Colt McCoy, and
Larry Johnson.
CC'ed:
Ronnie Brown,
Tom Brady,
Randy Moss,
Terrell Owens,
Ben Roethlisburger,
Eli Manning, and
Drew Brees.
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Just as dumb as arguing that he didn't really mean to say that he was the best back in the state because after he said it he was complimentary of Ingram.
Actually it's not, and you're still a dumbass for clinging to that comparison.
It has already been discussed. Ben Tate can be (and arguably is) a better back, but be surrounded by less talented players and his stats and even more so recognition factor (which this season more than ever was the determining factor), will not stand out as much. He can think he is a better back, yet realize what criteria the Heisman is actually voted on, and realize Ingram has a chance to win it while he does not, and thus pull for him to win it.
It's not that hard. Only your head is.
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I think Ben is the best back in the state, so that makes two of us.
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Actually it's not, and you're still a dumbass for clinging to that comparison.
It has already been discussed. Ben Tate can be (and arguably is) a better back, but be surrounded by less talented players and his stats and even more so recognition factor (which this season more than ever was the determining factor), will not stand out as much. He can think he is a better back, yet realize what criteria the Heisman is actually voted on, and realize Ingram has a chance to win it while he does not, and thus pull for him to win it.
It's not that hard. Only your head is.
You forgot the fact that he worked in an offense where carries were designed to be shared and the OC was determined to make the QB the focal point. At bama, the QB was a liability more often than not (as was Todd, but the bama offensive staff took the ball out of his hands when he was playing like donkey shit and AU didn't really). Put Tate in the same situation and his stats would be even more impressive than Ingram's.
Ingram is the most worthless Heisman winner in the history of the award and that's taking Andre Ware, Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne into consideration.
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Ingram is the most worthless Heisman winner in the history of the award and that's taking Andre Ware, Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne into consideration.
Hey Kaos..Oh..Oh. ..Oh.....you know what else. Guess what Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne (the 2 rbs on your list of 3) also have in common besides winning the Heisman....guess...guess.
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Here's the rushing leaders for the NCAA 2009. Also, Ingram was 31st in All-Purpose Running with 322 receiving yards.
1. Ryan Mathews, Fresno St. RB JR 11 245 1664 17 6.79 151.27
2 Toby Gerhart, Stanford RB SR 12 311 1736 26 5.58 144.67
3 Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh RB FR 12 297 1640 16 5.52 136.67
4 Donald Buckram, UTEP RB JR 12 259 1594 18 6.15 132.83
5 Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech RB FR 12 268 1538 19 5.74 128.17
6 Anthony Dixon, Mississippi St. RB SR 11 257 1391 12 5.41 126.45
7 Curtis Steele, Memphis RB SR 10 198 1239 15 6.26 123.90
8 LaMichael James, Oregon RB FR 12 215 1476 14 6.87 123.00
9 Vai Taua, Nevada RB JR 11 172 1345 10 7.82 122.27
10 Joe Webb, UAB QB SR 12 227 1427 11 6.29 118.92
11 Bernard Pierce, Temple RB FR 11 224 1308 15 5.84 118.91
12 Mark Ingram, Alabama RB SO 13 249 1542 15 6.19 118.62
13 Darius Marshall, Marshall RB JR 9 207 1054 11 5.09 117.11
14 John Clay, Wisconsin RB SO 12 265 1396 16 5.27 116.33
15 Alfred Morris, Fla. Atlantic RB SO 12 263 1392 11 5.29 116.00
16 Lance Dunbar, North Texas RB SO 12 200 1378 17 6.89 114.83
17 Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon St. RB SO 12 255 1377 20 5.40 114.75
18 Montel Harris, Boston College RB SO 12 285 1355 13 4.75 112.92
19 Montario Hardesty, Tennessee RB SR 12 264 1306 12 4.95 108.83
20 Noel Devine, West Virginia RB JR 12 225 1297 12 5.76 108.
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Hey Kaos..Oh..Oh. ..Oh.....you know what else. Guess what Rashaan Salaam and Ron Dayne (the 2 rbs on your list of 3) also have in common besides winning the Heisman....guess...guess.
They won the Doak-Walker Award for best RB in the Nation...In fact only one running back in the entire 20 year history of the award has not won both awards whilst winning the Heisman. Can you guess who that is?
Hint: His name rhymes with smark hingram.
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They won the Doak-Walker Award for best RB in the Nation...In fact only one running back in the entire 20 year history of the award has not won both awards whilst winning the Heisman. Can you guess who that is?
Hint: His name rhymes with smark hingram.
Damnit, that's a hard question. Give us another hint.
Are you sure this isn't a trick question?
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They won the Doak-Walker Award for best RB in the Nation...In fact only one running back in the entire 20 year history of the award has not won both awards whilst winning the Heisman. Can you guess who that is?
Hint: His name rhymes with smark hingram.
Wait just one minute sir. There may be circumstances that preclude him from winning it and that's unfair to judge him because of that.
* in good academic standing, and
* on schedule to graduate within one year of students in their eligibility classification.
I find it appalling that you are trying to judge smark hingram by these whacked out standards.
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Here's the rushing leaders for the NCAA 2009. Also, Ingram was 31st in All-Purpose Running with 322 receiving yards.
1. Ryan Mathews, Fresno St. RB JR 11 245 1664 17 6.79 151.27
3 Dion Lewis, Pittsburgh RB FR 12 297 1640 16 5.52 136.67
I don't know if anyone go to see these guys play this year or not, but damn. Mathews looked good in what games I got to see him in. Especially Lewis, that kid is good. Anyone want to guess what his rivals ranking was?
Side Note: The DirectTV sports package (BTN FSN...etc...etc..), which I was getting for free, had a lot of games that I would never get to see normally, either live or on replay. Like those mentioned above. The free is about to run out and start costing me $$$$. I am thinking about ordering it, anyone else got it or have any opinions on it?
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I think AUTiger1 brings up a good point. Does anyone besides myself think that Gerhart didnt win it because he no where near as much TV across the nation as Ingram did? I mean most of the people on this side of the country got a heavy dose of Ingram rather than some West coast team that plays past most peoples bed time on a team that sucked ass the last decade...or two.
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Wait just one minute sir. There may be circumstances that preclude him from winning it and that's unfair to judge him because of that.
* in good academic standing, and
* on schedule to graduate within one year of students in their eligibility classification.
I find it appalling that you are trying to judge smark hingram by these whacked out standards.
BTW Gerhart also won the Jim Brown Trophy presented to the top running back in college football by the Touchdown Club of Columbus. Which also has been given to every Heisman RB since its inception in 1991 save for one.
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I think AUTiger1 brings up a good point. Does anyone besides myself think that Gerhart didnt win it because he no where near as much TV across the nation as Ingram did? I mean most of the people on this side of the country got a heavy dose of Ingram rather than some West coast team that plays past most peoples bed time on a team that sucked ass the last decade...or two.
Oh absofuckinlutly...Gerhart puts those numbers up playing for USC, this irony thread dosen't exist.
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Oh absofuckinlutly...Gerhart puts those numbers up playing for USC, this irony thread dosen't exist.
ding ding ding
I continue to stand by my statement that the Heisman has been a joke at LEAST since Peyton Manning didn't win it. Maybe before then.
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BTW Gerhart also won the Jim Brown Trophy presented to the top running back in college football by the Touchdown Club of Columbus. Which also has been given to every Heisman RB since its inception in 1991 save for one.
Raises hand b/c he knows the answer to this question!
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Why is this thread still going on? Simply put Mark won the Heisman for three reasons. 1)He did very well in big games on national television, except allbarn. 2) He had a good game against Florida center stage and all as well as a big play right after UF's touchdown to make the game a game. 3) Alabama had never had a Heisman before and the voters felt like it was time. End of discussion.
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Why is this thread still going on? Simply put Mark won the Heisman for three reasons. 1)He did very well in big games on national television, except allbarn. 2) He had a good game against Florida center stage and all as well as a big play right after UF's touchdown to make the game a game. 3) Alabama had never had a Heisman before and the voters felt like it was time. End of discussion.
Because it is fun to point out others shortcomings?
...and the season is over for now.
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3) Alabama had never had a Heisman before and the voters felt like it was time.
Well, that's finally a good reason.
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Well, that's finally a good reason.
It is one of the "main" reasons I don't know how good it is.
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It is one of the "main" reasons I don't know how good it is.
You're better than that, Spanish.
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Back on subject:
At least one bammer gets it...
http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/3331014059/r/3501034059 (http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/3331014059/r/3501034059)
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Back on subject:
At least one bammer gets it...
http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/3331014059/r/3501034059 (http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/3331014059/r/3501034059)
Ummmm yeah, sooooo.... that wasn't a bammer.
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Ummmm yeah, sooooo.... that wasn't a bammer.
Then I stand corrected.
All bammers are tards.
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Back on subject:
At least one bammer gets it...
http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/3331014059/r/3501034059 (http://forums.tidesports.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3631098265/m/3331014059/r/3501034059)
No issue with Tebow crying. I never took part in the ridicule of him over that. The guy couldn't have given a classier interview after the game. THAT is how you compliment a team and/or player. THAT is how you answer a question asked by somebody trying to set you up. He wasn't talking shit before the game, or after. No problems. Not really a Tebow fan either, but the guy can't help how much the media slobs his knob. Tate was walking around giving back handed compliments out. What do you expect to get out of that? Had Ingram said what Tate said, I would fully expect the same thing from you guys if the shoe were on the other foot.
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No issue with Tebow crying. I never took part in the ridicule of him over that. The guy couldn't have given a classier interview after the game. THAT is how you compliment a team and/or player. THAT is how you answer a question asked by somebody trying to set you up. He wasn't talking poop before the game, or after. No problems. Not really a Tebow fan either, but the guy can't help how much the media slobs his knob. Tate was walking around giving back handed compliments out. What do you expect to get out of that? Had Ingram said what Tate said, I would fully expect the same thing from you guys if the shoe were on the other foot.
Did you happen to read the whole quote?
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No issue with Tebow crying. I never took part in the ridicule of him over that. The guy couldn't have given a classier interview after the game. THAT is how you compliment a team and/or player. THAT is how you answer a question asked by somebody trying to set you up. He wasn't talking poop before the game, or after. No problems. Not really a Tebow fan either, but the guy can't help how much the media slobs his knob. Tate was walking around giving back handed compliments out. What do you expect to get out of that? Had Ingram said what Tate said, I would fully expect the same thing from you guys if the shoe were on the other foot.
Oooohhh... He thought he was the best player in the state. What a phukup!! All players should think they suck in comparison to other backs who have similar stats especially when those similar stats were compiled against lesser competition.
I can't for the life of me think of a single reason Ben should consider himself in the same universe as Ingram. He shouldn't have committed the blasphemy of thinking he could compare to a mighty Bama player.
Fuck off, RWS. I generally don't think you're a total idiot but on this topic you've become king puss of mommy partville.
Here's a little nugget for you. Ingram just finished his sophomore year. He better leave now. Because he won't be starting if he sticks around until he's a senior. He isn't that good.
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Oooohhh... He thought he was the best player in the state. What a phukup!! All players should think they suck in comparison to other backs who have similar stats especially when those similar stats were compiled against lesser competition.
I can't for the life of me think of a single reason Ben should consider himself in the same universe as Ingram. He shouldn't have committed the blasphemy of thinking he could compare to a mighty Bama player.
Fuck off, RWS. I generally don't think you're a total idiot but on this topic you've become king puss of mommy partville.
Here's a little nugget for you. Ingram just finished his sophomore year. He better leave now. Because he won't be starting if he sticks around until he's a senior. He isn't that good.
No, I don't think he should have said that he sucks. He should have done what other players and coaches do when a reporter tries to trap them with a question and get them to say some stupid shit. Avoid the question, or at the very least, if you are going to compliment, don't give a backhanded one. Thats what it was. If the roles were reversed, even though I think Ingram is the better back, I wouldn't be happy if he went out proclaiming it in the media. You just don't go out in the media saying that shit. I realize the person asking the question was trying to trap him into it, but still. The guy is a senior, and he should know better than to fall for that.
I don't think Tate is classless or anything like that. I still think he's a pretty good back, and I'm sure he's a good guy. He simply ran his mouth a little. It doesn't make him a horrible person, but it does open him up to take a little shit on down the road.
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Backhanded compliments? You mean like this one, taken out of the same interview?
“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: he’s a very good running back,” Tate said. “He’s having a great year. Their team is undefeated. He’s a great running back. I hope he wins the Heisman. Honestly, I’m serious when I say that because he’d be the first running back to win it since Reggie Bush, and I think he’s got the opportunity to do that.
What an asshole.
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Backhanded compliments? You mean like this one, taken out of the same interview?
What an butthole.
Thank you. It seems that this was left out of the game commentators efforts of quoting.