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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: The Prowler on December 12, 2009, 08:55:29 PM
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RB Mark Ingram
The closest Heisman race in History....28 points separated Ingram and Gerhart
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What a crock of shit. The most undeserving "awardee" since Gino Torretta.
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After watching his acceptance speech, I gained an ounce of respect for the guy.
Then I remembered he plays for Alabama.
Fuck him in da mouf.
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Not that any of you would be hoping Alabama would lose the NCG but the Heisman Trophy winner's team normally does not fair well in the NCG.
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Yeah, it would be a bitch for Bama to take home the Heisman but lose the NC game. Especially after the 50 year argument of Bama winning National Championships instead of individual awards.
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I still don't think he's the best player in the Country, regardless of him winning the Heisman. Hell, he's not even the best RB in the Country. Ndamukong (House of Spears) Suh deserves the Heisman, he's the best player in the country...IMO and in a lot of voters opinions, Suh had the most first place votes it was just that his other votes were third to fifth place or worse.
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I still don't think he's the best player in the Country, regardless of him winning the Heisman. Hell, he's not even the best RB in the Country. Ndamukong (House of Spears) Suh deserves the Heisman, he's the best player in the country...IMO and in a lot of voters opinions, Suh had the most first place votes it was just that his other votes were third to fifth place or worse.
Actually, if you watched the presentation, they had Ingram with the most first place votes.
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Ugh. What a load of shit.
Didn't he have like fewer first place votes than two other players? That's asinine.
I don't give a fuck what anybody says. I've seen Heisman Trophy winners play and if that pussy fuck is the best player in college football? Then I'm the bastard son of George Clooney and Johnny Depp.
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Ingram -- 227
Gerhart -- 222
McCoy -- 203
Suh -- 161
Tebow -- 43
Those are the first place votes.
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Yeah, you're correct. I thought that earlier in the week that Suh had the most first place votes among the official top five, but that it was his other votes that were going to keep him out of the #1 spot.
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I don't care if he had 2,222,222,222,222,222,222,222,227 first place votes.
The most worthless Heisman winner in the history of the award. What a fucking joke.
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Yeah, it would be a bitch for Bama to take home the Heisman but lose the NC game. Especially after the 50 year argument of Bama winning National Championships instead of individual awards.
Which was always bullshit anyway.
Of all the good players who've come through Alabama, to have this twatbag who is barely average win it? What a disgrace to those guys.
Johnny Musso would backhand this puss and send him sprawling.
I can think of two dozen players off the top of my head in the SEC over the last five years who make this guy look run of the mill.
Joke of the fucking century.
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I don't care if he had 2,222,222,222,222,222,222,222,227 first place votes.
The most worthless Heisman winner in the history of the award. What a phuking joke.
Either way, I only posted the first place votes because it was being implied that Ingram only won because of 2nd or 3rd place votes, which was a bullshit argument.
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Which was always bullshit anyway.
Of all the good players who've come through Alabama, to have this twatbag who is barely average win it? What a disgrace to those guys.
Johnny Musso would backhand this puss and send him sprawling.
I can think of two dozen players off the top of my head in the SEC over the last five years who make this guy look run of the mill.
Joke of the fucking century.
^^^This^^^
And not just because he plays at SPuat.
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Robert Smith (ESPN) said it best: "If Toby Gerhart played for USC, he would have won the Heisman."
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Which was always bullpoop anyway.
Of all the good players who've come through Alabama, to have this twatbag who is barely average win it? What a disgrace to those guys.
Johnny Musso would backhand this puss and send him sprawling.
I can think of two dozen players off the top of my head in the SEC over the last five years who make this guy look run of the mill.
Joke of the phuking century.
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I thought Ingram was crying because his "Hip Pointer" was flaring up again.
So, a running back, not named the Top RB in the Country wins the Top player in the Country Award over the running back that was named the Top RB in the Country?
Also, how sad has the Heisman Trophy become. When a player should've won it, but because his team isn't in the top 5 or top 10 in the country, then he's not going to win it. That's just fuckin' stupid.
"If Toby Gerhart played for USC, he would have won the Heisman."
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I thought Ingram was crying because his "Hip Pointer" was flaring up again.
So, a running back, not named the Top RB in the Country wins the Top player in the Country Award over the running back that was named the Top RB in the Country?
Also, how sad has the Heisman Trophy become. When a player should've won it, but because his team isn't in the top 5 or top 10 in the country, then he's not going to win it. That's just phukin' stupid.
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Also, how sad has the Heisman Trophy become. When a player should've won it, but because his team isn't in the top 5 or top 10 in the country, then he's not going to win it. That's just phukin' stupid.
Not sure where you've been, but it has been this way for the last 15 years.
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No one is crying Vagisil. Instead, I'm just point out the fact that Mark Ingram wasn't even voted the best RB in the Country, Toby Gerhart was. He also didn't win the Player of the Year Award (Walter Camp) or the Outstanding Player award (Maxwell Award). But yet, Ingram gets to go onto stage, blabs and cries all of the podium, for the Heisman? Psssshhhh!! Whatever. I'm guessing that he'll get to go on another Deep Sea Fishing trip and another Cruise....LMAO
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The only one crying tonight was Ingram.
Soooooooo... does that mean we can unleash unholy amounts of demotivational posters with Ingram crying on the Bama world?
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The only one crying tonight was Ingram.
Soooooooo... does that mean we can unleash unholy amounts of demotivational posters with Ingram crying on the Bama world?
Yup
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In fact... where's the Kanye chops? LOL
The Heisman presentation would have been way funnier if Kanye West was there..... "hold on... I'm really happy for you, and Im'a let you finish... but Toby Gerhart is a WAY better running back than you." hahaha
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I've got no objection to an Alabama player winning the award.
There have been years where I thought a player from Bama should have won. Nobody in college football was more important to his team than Steadman Shealy when he was there. Why that guy was never considered, I'll never know.
There have been some truly great Bama players in the past.
This guy? He's a fat ass Kenny Irons with less flair and a worse vocabulary. He's a poor man's Ben Tate on a stronger team. He couldn't carry Carnell William's water bottle.
Ingram isn't the best, the second best, the third best, the fourth best or even the fifth best player on his own fucking team.
That his boated face would be up there boo-hooing over the Heisman is a travesty. Fucking clown show.
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"Mr. Ingram, even though you didn't deserve any of the other awards, we've decided to give you the "atta boy" trophy (formerly known as the Heisman)....So, congratulations Mr. Ingram."
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Once again, the Heisman proves that it's a sham, but I'm not surprised.
Mark Ingram did what every voter wanted. They all want a last minute reason to vote for a candidate.
It's indicative of what college football has become. "What have you done for me now?"
Play a great game after your coaches developed a great plan for the passing game against Florida in the SECCG? Give him the Heisman despite being benched to watch a true freshman win the game against Auburn.
Play a poor game due to a Heisman candidate being in your face all night in the Big 12 championship game? Give him 3rd place despite being the key player on an undefeated team and having numerous performances that screamed Heisman.
But Ingram deserved it. I honestly believe that. I only wish the Heisman Trophy would be labeled what it really is. It's a popularity contest. Ingram is the most popular player right now. Therefore, he deserves to join the likes of Bo Jackson, Herschel Walker, Reggie Bush, OJ Simpson, Ricky Williams, Barry Sanders, Marcus Allen, and Archie Griffith.
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Name Team Carries Yards AVG TD
1 Toby Gerhart, RB STAN 311 1736 5.6 26
2 Ryan Mathews, RB FRES 245 1664 6.8 17
3 Dion Lewis, RB PITT 297 1640 5.5 16
4 Donald Buckram, RB UTEP 259 1594 6.2 18
5 *Mark Ingram, RB ALA 249 1542 6.2 15
*Heisman Trophy winner.
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It will piss off the Aubs so Im all for it in that regard. Otherwise this award has been pretty crappy since the 90s
Pretty much how I feel.
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After watching his acceptance speech, I gained an ounce of respect for the guy.
This.
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Name Team Carries Yards AVG TD
1 Toby Gerhart, RB STAN 311 1736 5.6 26
2 Ryan Mathews, RB FRES 245 1664 6.8 17
3 Dion Lewis, RB PITT 297 1640 5.5 16
4 Donald Buckram, RB UTEP 259 1594 6.2 18
5 *Mark Ingram, RB ALA 249 1542 6.2 15
*Heisman Trophy winner.
Interesting stats. Tell you what, since this is a greatest college football player award and not a greatest college running back award how about throwing in all of the receptions, reception yards and receiving touchdowns as well. I'll bet the results are interesting.
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This guy? He's a fat ass Kenny Irons with less flair and a worse vocabulary. He's a poor man's Ben Tate on a stronger team. He couldn't carry Carnell William's water bottle.
That his boated face would be up there boo-hooing over the Heisman is a travesty. phuking clown show.
You truly sound like a whining bitch right now. By the way, referring to Heisman winning running back Mark Ingram as a "poor man's Ben Tate" is probably the stupidest thing you've said in the 2+ years you've been here. I'm starting to think that you actually are Ben Tate. He's the only one I know that would say that.
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Scruh the Heisman
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Interesting stats. Tell you what, since this is a greatest college football player award and not a greatest college running back award how about throwing in all of the receptions, reception yards and receiving touchdowns as well. I'll bet the results are interesting.
1 Danario Alexander, WR MIZZ 107 1644 15.4 84 13
2 Greg Salas, WR HAW 106 1590 15.0 66 8
3 Freddie Barnes, WR BGSU 138 1551 11.2 59 16
4 Golden Tate, WR ND 93 1496 16.1 78 15
5 Jordan Shipley, WR TEX 106 1363 12.9 88 11
That's odd. I don't see Ingram's name there at all.
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1 Danario Alexander, WR MIZZ 107 1644 15.4 84 13
2 Greg Salas, WR HAW 106 1590 15.0 66 8
3 Freddie Barnes, WR BGSU 138 1551 11.2 59 16
4 Golden Tate, WR ND 93 1496 16.1 78 15
5 Jordan Shipley, WR TEX 106 1363 12.9 88 11
That's odd. I don't see Ingram's name there at all.
That's odd, I thought you were gonna add the receiving stats to the 5 running backs that you had listed. I wonder why you didn't do that.
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That's odd, I thought you were gonna add the receiving stats to the 5 running backs that you had listed. I wonder why you didn't do that.
I would have you do it... but you're not good with numbers....
Or finding Bryant Denny.
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I would have you do it... but you're not good with numbers....
Or finding Bryant Denny.
Or finding Bryant Denny? I'm sure that probably means something in your mind so I'll just say okay.
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That's odd, I thought you were gonna add the receiving stats to the 5 running backs that you had listed. I wonder why you didn't do that.
Would it make that much of a difference?
Ingram had 300 and something yards with a few touchdowns. The other guys had about 150. Does 150 extra yards make Ingram the best player in college football?
It's a crock of shit, and you know it. I'm happy for the kid, and I know you'll celebrate. But to defend Ingram as if he's worthy of being named the MVP in all of college is ludicrous.
All arguments for Ingram from bammers and media analysts have displayed room temperature IQs. Don't fall into that category, Vagisil.
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Would it make that much of a difference?
Ingram had 300 and something yards with a few touchdowns. The other guys had about 150. Does 150 extra yards make Ingram the best player in college football?
Does 194 extra rushing yards on 62 extra carries make Gerhart the clear cut best player in college football? It seems as though you believe this, since you were the one posting stats on page 2. For that matter, Gerhart is a senior and Ingram is only a sophomore. You act as if Ingram clearly doesn't even belong in the same discussion as Gerhart. THAT is ludicrous.
I'm not even saying that he was clearly the obvious choice to win it. You could have damn near flipped a coin on a winner this year and made a case for each one. Shit, alot of you here were saying before the Iron Bowl that if AU could just shut Ingram down, AU could probably win. Thats been the case nearly every game we played this season. When the kid is identified to everybody as "musy shut down" to have a shot at winning, how does he not belong in the discussion? How is he not pretty important? Especially when on his back, Alabama is playing for the NC.
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Does 194 extra rushing yards on 62 extra carries make Gerhart the clear cut best player in college football? It seems as though you believe this, since you were the one posting stats on page 2. For that matter, Gerhart is a senior and Ingram is only a sophomore. You act as if Ingram clearly doesn't even belong in the same discussion as Ingram. THAT is ludicrous.
I'm not even saying that he was clearly the obvious choice to win it. You could have damn near flipped a coin on a winner this year and made a case for each one. Shit, alot of you here were saying before the Iron Bowl that if AU could just shut Ingram down, AU could probably win. Thats been the case nearly every game we played this season. When the kid is identified to everybody as "musy shut down" to have a shot at winning, how does he not belong in the discussion? How is he not pretty important? Especially when on his back, Alabama is playing for the NC.
Huh?
You're logic is so fucked up that you even confuse yourself.
Makes me wish Gerhart had a conference championship to rack up some more stats with. The dude's team lost 4 games, and he still had 10 or so more touchdowns than Ingram did before the SEC CG. lmao
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Not to mention he was never left in a game to pad his stats. We played against 2-3 powder puffs that he played very minimal time in. Look, I'm just being reasonable. As RWS said you can make a case for each. You can also make a case why each shouldn't get it. At the end of the day I don't have to defend bullpoop nor try and convince you of anything. Mark Ingram is the Heisman Trophy winner and I think he deserved it. So did the voters. If you want to give a People's Heisman Trophy go ahead, I'll let Tate know to be on standby.
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Huh?
You're logic is so fucked up that you even confuse yourself.
Makes me wish Gerhart had a conference championship to rack up some more stats with. The dude's team lost 4 games, and he still had 10 or so more touchdowns than Ingram did before the SEC CG. lmao
Fixed the error. My point was, THS posted some stats of some of the top rushers, with Gerhart being on top. Vagisil told him he should also include receiving yards and TDs, to which THS replied asking if 150 yards really makes a difference. Apparently it made a difference when he posted all of the stats. The difference between them statistically is paper thin. Gerhart does have 62 more carries, and his backup only has 55 carries for 298 yards and 2 TDs. Ingram's backup has 126 carries with 642 yards and 6 TDs. Ingram was even taken out at halftime of at least two games. Like I said before, you could damn near flip a coin this year on who should get it.
If an AU player won the Heisman under similar circumstances, would you guys be denouncing it such as you are now? Hell no. You would take it.
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1 Danario Alexander, WR MIZZ 107 1644 15.4 84 13
2 Greg Salas, WR HAW 106 1590 15.0 66 8
3 Freddie Barnes, WR BGSU 138 1551 11.2 59 16
4 Golden Tate, WR ND 93 1496 16.1 78 15
5 Jordan Shipley, WR TEX 106 1363 12.9 88 11
That's odd. I don't see Ingram's name there at all.
That's a bunch of crap TH and you know it. Why don't you go look up the Tackles, Tackles for Loss, Sacks and Int. I'll bet the results are interesting.
And......
I'm starting to think that you actually are Ben Tate. He's the only one I know that would say that.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
All I'm hearing is this....
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Does 194 extra rushing yards on 62 extra carries make Gerhart the clear cut best player in college football? It seems as though you believe this, since you were the one posting stats on page 2. For that matter, Gerhart is a senior and Ingram is only a sophomore. You act as if Ingram clearly doesn't even belong in the same discussion as Gerhart. THAT is ludicrous.
I'm not even saying that he was clearly the obvious choice to win it. You could have damn near flipped a coin on a winner this year and made a case for each one. Shit, alot of you here were saying before the Iron Bowl that if AU could just shut Ingram down, AU could probably win. Thats been the case nearly every game we played this season. When the kid is identified to everybody as "musy shut down" to have a shot at winning, how does he not belong in the discussion? How is he not pretty important? Especially when on his back, Alabama is playing for the NC.
On his back? :rofl: If it weren't for Greg McElroy and the defense, Alabama loses to Arkansas. That whopping 50 yards rushing he had was TREMENDOUS in that win. If it weren't for Greg McElroy and Trent Richardson (a true freshman running back since their age matters to you), Alabama loses to Auburn. His incredible 30 yards rushing he was most important in that win.
Yes, Ingram is good, and he is very important to Alabama. However, it's been proven that if you take Ingram out of the game, Alabama still wins. If you take Gerhart away from Stanford, Stanford doesn't make a bowl game. If you take Colt McCoy away from Texas, Texas doesn't go undefeated.
Ndominate Suh's stats nearly equaled the stats of Alabama's entire defensive line. He's a defensive tackle. You know, the one that is just supposed to be fat and clog the middle of the line. The DT lets the other guys make plays. Suh made the plays. Terrence Cody? Perfect example of what kind of tub of lard plays in the middle. Suh redefined what a defensive tackle is capable of. He damn near won the Big 12 championship by himself.
Ingram needed McElroy to start out hot, and he needed the Florida defense to be on their toes against the Alabama passing game. It's why Nick Saban took the ball to open the 1st half. It's why Jim McElwain had the offense start out in the spread formation. Ingram needed some help from his surrounding players.
And as for Gerhart's stats, yes, it is indicative of who was a better candidate. We're comparing the two in terms of who was more important and who would be more valuable at the running back position. Gerhart won the stat category. Ingram won the "my surrounding talent and teammates was better" category.
Same shit every year.
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On his back? :rofl: If it weren't for Greg McElroy and the defense, Alabama loses to Arkansas. That whopping 50 yards rushing he had was TREMENDOUS in that win. If it weren't for Greg McElroy and Trent Richardson (a true freshman running back since their age matters to you), Alabama loses to Auburn. His incredible 30 yards rushing he was most important in that win.
Yes, Ingram is good, and he is very important to Alabama. However, it's been proven that if you take Ingram out of the game, Alabama still wins. If you take Gerhart away from Stanford, Stanford doesn't make a bowl game. If you take Colt McCoy away from Texas, Texas doesn't go undefeated.
Ndominate Suh's stats nearly equaled the stats of Alabama's entire defensive line. He's a defensive tackle. You know, the one that is just supposed to be fat and clog the middle of the line. The DT lets the other guys make plays. Suh made the plays. Terrence Cody? Perfect example of what kind of tub of lard plays in the middle. Suh redefined what a defensive tackle is capable of. He damn near won the Big 12 championship by himself.
Ingram needed McElroy to start out hot, and he needed the Florida defense to be on their toes against the Alabama passing game. It's why Nick Saban took the ball to open the 1st half. It's why Jim McElwain had the offense start out in the spread formation. Ingram needed some help from his surrounding players.
And as for Gerhart's stats, yes, it is indicative of who was a better candidate. We're comparing the two in terms of who was more important and who would be more valuable at the running back position. Gerhart won the stat category. Ingram won the "my surrounding talent and teammates was better" category.
Same shit every year.
So basically, if Alabama didn't have an offense or defense, we would have lost the Arkansas game (that Alabama won 35-7), and 20 rushing yards makes the difference in winning or losing against AU, when Julio was the guy making clutch catch after catch on that final drive in the 4th. Yeah, that makes total sense.
I could conversely say that Ingram is the only reason we won against South Carolina. Alabama had 356 total yards on offense, with Ingram bringing in 246 yards. The offense struggled against Ole Miss as well and couldn't move the ball, settling for field goals all game. Ingram brought in the only touchdown. He accounted for over half of the offensive production in that game as well. McElroy went on some weird skid for 4-5 games where he was mindfucked, and we had to rely on Ingram to do something. While Ingram has had a few lackluster games as you have pointed out, there have been some games where he saved our ass as well.
Again, if the exact same scenario played out for an AU player and he won the Heisman, you wouldn't be saying what you are saying now. None of you would. This was the closest Heisman race ever. That tells me, like I've said, that you nearly could have flipped a coin for a winner. Like I said before, I could see it if somebody else won it. Had they won it, I wouldn't have bitched one peep about it. The problem for most of you is that the kid plays for Alabama, so its total horseshit by default that he won. Anything after that is extra.
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Ndominate Suh's stats nearly equaled the stats of Alabama's entire defensive line. He's a defensive tackle. You know, the one that is just supposed to be fat and clog the middle of the line. The DT lets the other guys make plays. Suh made the plays. Terrence Cody? Perfect example of what kind of tub of lard plays in the middle. Suh redefined what a defensive tackle is capable of. He damn near won the Big 12 championship by himself.
And that's why Suh should've been standing at the podium, not Mr. Snot Bubbles. Again, that's not saying that he doesn't deserve to be mentioned as a really good player this year. But, just because he's on the #1 team, doesn't mean that he is that much better. Question, would he have won it if SPuat was 8-4 or 9-4?
Here is why Suh should've won it:
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1: 98 Tkl, 23.5 TFL, 9.5 Sk, 20 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk
2: 112 Tkl, 33 TFL, 14 Sk, 48 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 0 Blk
3: 116 Tkl, 25.5 TFL, 15.5 Sk, 10 QBH, 7 PBU, 0 Int, 2 FF, 0 Blk
4: 82 Tkl, 23 TFL, 12 Sk, 24 QBH, 10 PBU, 1 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk
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#1 = Alabama's DL, #2 = Florida's DL, #3 = Texas' DL, #4 = Ndamukong Suh.......by himself.
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And that's why Suh should've been standing at the podium, not Mr. Snot Bubbles. Again, that's not saying that he doesn't deserve to be mentioned as a really good player this year. But, just because he's on the #1 team, doesn't mean that he is that much better. Question, would he have won it if SPuat was 8-4 or 9-4?
Here is why Suh should've won it:
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1: 98 Tkl, 23.5 TFL, 9.5 Sk, 20 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk
2: 112 Tkl, 33 TFL, 14 Sk, 48 QBH, 5 PBU, 0 Int, 1 FF, 0 Blk
3: 116 Tkl, 25.5 TFL, 15.5 Sk, 10 QBH, 7 PBU, 0 Int, 2 FF, 0 Blk
4: 82 Tkl, 23 TFL, 12 Sk, 24 QBH, 10 PBU, 1 Int, 1 FF, 3 Blk
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#1 = Alabama's DL, #2 = Florida's DL, #3 = Texas' DL, #4 = Ndamukong Suh.......by himself.
damn that kid is good.
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damn that kid is good.
When Suh didn't even get into the Top 3 for the Heisman Race....Unless things change, there will NEVER EVER be a DL or LB nominated as the best player in the Country. Which is absolutely wrong.
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If you want to give a People's Heisman Trophy go ahead, I'll let Tate know to be on standby.
I didn't make this, but....
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When Suh didn't even get into the Top 3 for the Heisman Race....Unless things change, there will NEVER EVER be a DL or LB nominated as the best player in the Country. Which is absolutely wrong.
Suh was outstanding this season. The best player in my opinion, but if Derrick Thomas only finished 10th in '88 after recording 27 sacks in a single season, Suh didn't deserve 4th place.
The Heisman has been a joke for quite a while. Which is why I'm a little surprised that you guys are making such a big deal about it this year.
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When Suh didn't even get into the Top 3 for the Heisman Race....Unless things change, there will NEVER EVER be a DL or LB nominated as the best player in the Country. Which is absolutely wrong.
I said basically that same thing this morning. I'm now completely convinced that a purely defensive player will never win the Heisman Trophy.
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Suh was outstanding this season. The best player in my opinion, but if Derrick Thomas only finished 10th in '88 after recording 27 sacks in a single season, Suh didn't deserve 4th place.
The Heisman has been a joke for quite a while. Which is why I'm a little surprised that you guys are making such a big deal about it this year.
You want to know why?
Because last night at Macaroni Grill, I heard someone say, "Now the Aubs don't have anything over us."
Not to mention, there was a nice little discussion on Rivals about how Ingram was just as good if not better than Bo Jackson.
That's why it's a big deal. There are some good Alabama fans out there. I've got a few friends who I would never talk shit to. But it seems like a majority of the message board posters and radio callers and the Alabama fans I don't know but I see in public - it seems like they are all poor sports and use anything positive for Alabama to belittle and degrade Auburn.
When they start yabbering on about Ingram being better than Bo, about Auburn having no tradition, about Auburn not being any kind of a real football program, about how Auburn didn't really have a legitimate streak, about how Alabama has ALWAYS been the dominate program of this state, about how they have 12 NCs but Auburn only has .5, about how Auburn is the real dirty program and Bama has always been ganged up on by the NCAA, that's when everything becomes a big deal.
Alabama fans could gain a lot of respect if they would display an ounce of humility. Never going to happen, though.
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You want to know why?
Because last night at Macaroni Grill, I heard someone say, "Now the Aubs don't have anything over us."
Not to mention, there was a nice little discussion on Rivals about how Ingram was just as good if not better than Bo Jackson.
That's why it's a big deal. There are some good Alabama fans out there. I've got a few friends who I would never talk poop to. But it seems like a majority of the message board posters and radio callers and the Alabama fans I don't know but I see in public - it seems like they are all poor sports and use anything positive for Alabama to belittle and degrade Auburn.
When they start yabbering on about Ingram being better than Bo, about Auburn having no tradition, about Auburn not being any kind of a real football program, about how Auburn didn't really have a legitimate streak, about how Alabama has ALWAYS been the dominate program of this state, about how they have 12 NCs but Auburn only has .5, about how Auburn is the real dirty program and Bama has always been ganged up on by the NCAA, that's when everything becomes a big deal.
Alabama fans could gain a lot of respect if they would display an ounce of humility. Never going to happen, though.
I'm being serious right now, I really enjoyed your little story.
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Not to mention, there was a nice little discussion on Rivals about how Ingram was just as good if not better than Bo Jackson. There is literally one person in that thread that said anything negative about Bo, and everybody else is beating him down.
You mean the thread that was started as a joke to fuck with AU lurkers who were only reading thread titles and not content, and has Alabama fans in it defending Bo?
I know your joking with the Barners, but Bo was the most genetically gifted athletes of my generation.
Mark has been awesome, but Bo was one of the best athelete's in our time. Hip injury kept him from becoming the best. Just another opinion.
I love Ingram, but he is NO Bo Jackson. Ingram = twice Bo, can only be said if you never say Bo play and have a huge set of crimson glasses on. Without the hip injury, its quite possible that Bo gets to the Hall of Fame in 2 professional sports. Just sick!
Bo Jackson was by any measure one of the greatest athletes of all time. The tragedy of his career was that injury ended it far too early.
Bo was the probably the best RB in the NFL the few years that he played. He was limited in terms of carries and games but was recognized as a great amongst his peers....
We don't have to like the Barn or their athletes.....but this critique of Bo Jackson....probably the greatest athlete to walk the earth is quite comical.
Those damn bammers.....I'm also sorry about your horrible ordeal at Macaroni Grill. Are you going to be OK?
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You want to know why?
Because last night at Macaroni Grill, I heard someone say, "Now the Aubs don't have anything over us."
Not to mention, there was a nice little discussion on Rivals about how Ingram was just as good if not better than Bo Jackson.
That's why it's a big deal. There are some good Alabama fans out there. I've got a few friends who I would never talk poop to. But it seems like a majority of the message board posters and radio callers and the Alabama fans I don't know but I see in public - it seems like they are all poor sports and use anything positive for Alabama to belittle and degrade Auburn.
When they start yabbering on about Ingram being better than Bo, about Auburn having no tradition, about Auburn not being any kind of a real football program, about how Auburn didn't really have a legitimate streak, about how Alabama has ALWAYS been the dominate program of this state, about how they have 12 NCs but Auburn only has .5, about how Auburn is the real dirty program and Bama has always been ganged up on by the NCAA, that's when everything becomes a big deal.
Alabama fans could gain a lot of respect if they would display an ounce of humility. Never going to happen, though.
As RWS has already stated, that thread is a joke.
I'm sure they'll be glad to know they succeeded in pissing an Auburn fan off.
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You mean the thread that was started as a joke to fuck with AU lurkers who were only reading thread titles and not content, and has Alabama fans in it defending Bo?
I know your joking with the Barners, but Bo was the most genetically gifted athletes of my generation.
Mark has been awesome, but Bo was one of the best athelete's in our time. Hip injury kept him from becoming the best. Just another opinion.
I love Ingram, but he is NO Bo Jackson. Ingram = twice Bo, can only be said if you never say Bo play and have a huge set of crimson glasses on. Without the hip injury, its quite possible that Bo gets to the Hall of Fame in 2 professional sports. Just sick!
Bo Jackson was by any measure one of the greatest athletes of all time. The tragedy of his career was that injury ended it far too early.
Bo was the probably the best RB in the NFL the few years that he played. He was limited in terms of carries and games but was recognized as a great amongst his peers....
We don't have to like the Barn or their athletes.....but this critique of Bo Jackson....probably the greatest athlete to walk the earth is quite comical.
Those damn bammers.....I'm also sorry about your horrible ordeal at Macaroni Grill. Are you going to be OK?
I'm pretty sure that the moderators over at BSol would love to know that you're posting their premium information on other websites, their premium information includes the message boards that can't be posted on unless you're a paying member.
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(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa292/Deepsouthsportscustoms/College/markingram6.jpg)
In bad need of photo shop tears and snot.
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(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa292/Deepsouthsportscustoms/College/markingram6.jpg)
In bad need of photo shop tears and snot.
No..that's in bad need of a lot of things. That Mcfarlane looks fuckin' Horrible. Is that glue on the helmet?
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I'm pretty sure that the moderators over at BSol would love to know that you're posting their premium information on other websites, their premium information includes the message boards that can't be posted on unless you're a paying member.
Yes, I'm sure they will be HUGELY interested in the "premium information" that I am stealing from their board and pasting here. When they do a War Room, Recruiting Nuggets, etc they put a disclaimer to not copy/paste to other places. No such rule applies to their regular message board posts, though. You have a Rivals account, go read the BOL board rules. Is it too much to ask for you to not be a dumbass about every single little thing?
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To RWS - It wasn't BOL. It was the Mainboard. And there were zero Alabama fans disagreeing with the claim that Ingram was as good or better than Bo.
To the other bammer-shits - I know you look for any opportunity to pounce on an Auburn fan for being upset with Alabama fans. But that wasn't the point. I didn't have a ruined meal last night because of Alabama fans. You're completely missing it.
Your dumbass fanbase has a superiority complex. I don't know why. Maybe you live vicariously through your football team, and you're terrified of any one else ever be on par or better.
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Last night, I'm at teh Mall here in Dothan getting a few Chrsitmas gifts. Forgot completely that the Heisman thing was going on. They have TV's in the food court and turns out we sat down when they were making the presentation. When they announced, people started cheering and someone hollered, "Fuck Auburn". The lady next to us jumped on the cell phone and was literally....literally...crying like a baby as she watched Ingram walk to the podium.
I tossed my Chick-Filet Nuggets in the trash.
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Last night, I'm at teh Mall here in Dothan getting a few Chrsitmas gifts. Forgot completely that the Heisman thing was going on. They have TV's in the food court and turns out we sat down when they were making the presentation. When they announced, people started cheering and someone hollered, "Fuck Auburn". The lady next to us jumped on the cell phone and was literally....literally...crying like a baby as she watched Ingram walk to the podium.
I tossed my Chick-Filet Nuggets in the trash.
I have one better. I was at the local minor league hockey game in Columbus, GA. The Heisman announcement was broadcast live on the fucking scoreboard during the 2nd intermission. After he won, the PA announcer yelled "Roe Tahd" and then played Sweet Home Alabama. I got up and left.
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I was studying....and I completely forgot it was going on...then my phone went nuts...the first text said "Fucking FUCK."
I didn't bother to read the rest.
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You want to know why?
Because last night at Macaroni Grill, I heard someone say, "Now the Aubs don't have anything over us."
Not to mention, there was a nice little discussion on Rivals about how Ingram was just as good if not better than Bo Jackson.
That's why it's a big deal. There are some good Alabama fans out there. I've got a few friends who I would never talk shit to. But it seems like a majority of the message board posters and radio callers and the Alabama fans I don't know but I see in public - it seems like they are all poor sports and use anything positive for Alabama to belittle and degrade Auburn.
When they start yabbering on about Ingram being better than Bo, about Auburn having no tradition, about Auburn not being any kind of a real football program, about how Auburn didn't really have a legitimate streak, about how Alabama has ALWAYS been the dominate program of this state, about how they have 12 NCs but Auburn only has .5, about how Auburn is the real dirty program and Bama has always been ganged up on by the NCAA, that's when everything becomes a big deal.
Alabama fans could gain a lot of respect if they would display an ounce of humility. Never going to happen, though.
Humility isn't all they need.... the real problem with them? They are, not all, but almost to a man, completely illogical.
They have to twist whatever set of facts into something that will support their sense of superiority and entitlement.
That recruit decommitted from alabama? They didn't want him... he knew he wouldn't be good enough to play there....didn't fit into Saban's grand vision
Auburn beat them only cause they were down...and that was only because that damn Auburn helped to get them in trouble....now things are back to where they should be.
They can not support anything else. Can not do it.
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Man you guys are making this thread fun to read. Please, please, please don't stop telling stories about where you were last night when Ingram ruined your night.
By the way, Birdman, Chick-Fil-A charges like $70.00 for a sandwich. I'd be damned before I through away $30.00 worth of a 6 piece nugget meal.
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By the way, Birdman, Chick-Fil-A charges like $70.00 for a sandwich. I'd be damned before I through away $30.00 worth of a 6 piece nugget meal.
Anyone with a college degree and a decent job can afford Chic-Fil-A.
Shit, did I say that out loud? Sorry.
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Man you guys are making this thread fun to read. Please, please, please don't stop telling stories about where you were last night when Ingram ruined your night.
By the way, Birdman, Chick-Fil-A charges like $70.00 for a sandwich. I'd be damned before I through away $30.00 worth of a 6 piece nugget meal.
I speak for only myself. PLEASE GO FUCK YOURSELF VAGISIL!
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We pointed and laughed at the woman who openly shed tears of joy for a teenager she'd never met and has most likely never set foot near the hallowed grounds upon which Mark Ingram destroyed his hapless opponents.
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If Auburn were 13-0, about to play for the National Championship and Ben Tate had just won the Heisman with his numbers, you would be celebrating just like most Bama fans. Are some fans taking it too far? Of course. That's what they do.
It's the same bullshit award that is awarded EVERY YEAR to the "best player" on the "best team". The only thing different this year is that a Bama player won it.
Do those fans with the "Ingram is better than Bo" superiority complex need to settle the fuck down? Yes. BUT, that whole "fear the thumb" concept was a bitch and some people are still bitter about it. Add all the stories about how Saban wouldn't recruit like he did at LSU. Saban wouldn't win the way he did at LSU. Saban wouldn't stay 3 years. It's gonna take Saban 4+ years to get his players in, because he isn't a good X's and O's coach. Saban this. Saban that.
The forecast was wrong. Bad wrong. So now they are going to give people shit, right or wrong.
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If Auburn were 13-0, about to play for the National Championship and Ben Tate had just won the Heisman with his numbers, you would be celebrating just like most Bama fans. Are some fans taking it too far? Of course. That's what they do.
It's the same bullshit award that is awarded EVERY YEAR to the "best player" on the "best team". The only thing different this year is that a Bama player won it.
Do those fans with the "Ingram is better than Bo" superiority complex need to settle the fuck down? Yes. BUT, that whole "fear the thumb" concept was a bitch and some people are still bitter about it. Add all the stories about how Saban wouldn't recruit like he did at LSU. Saban wouldn't win the way he did at LSU. Saban wouldn't stay 3 years. It's gonna take Saban 4+ years to get his players in, because he isn't a good X's and O's coach. Saban this. Saban that.
The forecast was wrong. Bad wrong. So now they are going to give people shit, right or wrong.
This.
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Anyone with a college degree and a decent job can afford Chic-Fil-A.
poop, did I say that out loud? Sorry.
You misspelled the name of their restaurant. You were given two examples of how to correctly spell it before you made your attempt. Try harder next time.
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Last night, I'm at teh Mall here in Dothan getting a few Chrsitmas gifts. Forgot completely that the Heisman thing was going on. They have TV's in the food court and turns out we sat down when they were making the presentation. When they announced, people started cheering and someone hollered, "phuk Auburn". The lady next to us jumped on the cell phone and was literally....literally...crying like a baby as she watched Ingram walk to the podium.
I tossed my Chick-Filet Nuggets in the trash.
:bugs: Why did the nuggets have to get it?
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:bugs: Why did the nuggets have to get it?
I felt bad about it afterward. They didn't do anything wrong.
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It's the same bullpoop award that is awarded EVERY YEAR to the "best player" on the "best team". The only thing different this year is that a Bama player won it.
I speak for myself here, but it's not the fact the fact that a bammer won it..........It's the fact that he isn't the best player on the team.
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I speak for myself here, but it's not the fact the fact that a bammer won it..........It's the fact that he isn't the best player on the team.
He is the best player whose father is in prison on one of the two best teams though...and that makes for a great storyline.
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He is the best player whose father is in prison on one of the two best teams though...and that makes for a great storyline.
Well since you put it that way........
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I speak for myself here, but it's not the fact the fact that a bammer won it..........It's the fact that he isn't the best player on the team.
This.
I know what you're saying, bammers. It's been a team award and a popularity contest for a while now. But I honestly believe, bias aside, that this is the year the Heisman jumped the shark.
If it's a team award, fine. Even then, you could make a case that Ingram's not the best player on his team this year.
But to say he's the best player in college football right now is completely ludicrous.
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I felt bad about it afterward. They didn't do anything wrong.
They were probably cooked by a bammer fan...
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I felt bad about it afterward. They didn't do anything wrong.
That is what I was thinking BIRDman.
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This.
I know what you're saying, bammers. It's been a team award and a popularity contest for a while now. But I honestly believe, bias aside, that this is the year the Heisman jumped the shark.
If it's a team award, fine. Even then, you could make a case that Ingram's not the best player on his team this year.
But to say he's the best player in college football right now is completely ludicrous.
I think Trent Richardson is better. Trent may be the leading rusher next year.
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They were probably cooked by a bammer fan...
No I am sir I called in sick. :bc:
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I speak for myself here, but it's not the fact the fact that a bammer won it..........It's the fact that he isn't the best player on the team.
That's your single opinion. As for the opinion of the 800+ voters (which is large enough a number to shake any variance or individual bias) they think Ingram is not only the best on his team but the best in the country. They think you're wrong. You think they're wrong. That's all.
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That's your single opinion. As for the opinion of the 800+ voters (which is large enough a number to shake any variance or individual bias) they think Ingram is not only the best on his team but the best in the country. They think you're wrong. You think they're wrong. That's all.
He may be the best player in the country, to bad he isn't the best RB in the country.
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The bottom line is, Ingram was the one that had enough hype to get on the ballet and win. Frankly if Suh had had half the hype he had the last week of the voting after his Texas performance, this would have turned out different in my opinion.
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He may be the best player in the country, to bad he isn't the best RB in the country.
Not valid. You think it is but it's not. The two awards are voted on by completely different people. It's the same as a country singer winning a Grammy for Singer of the Year but not winning the CMA for best Country Singer of the Year. Two different groups voting.
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Not valid. You think it is but it's not. The two awards are voted on by completely different people. It's the same as a country singer winning a Grammy for Singer of the Year but not winning the CMA for best Country Singer of the Year. Two different groups voting.
That may be true, but it still doesn't make my statement any less true.
Last time I checked voting was subjective. What makes the Heisman voters better than the Doak voters?
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That may be true, but it still doesn't make my statement any less true.
Last time I checked voting was subjective. What makes the Heisman voters better than the Doak voters?
Bingo. I could just as much say that they got it wrong by voting for Gerhart. Fact is, it's only as prestigious as you give it credit for. The Heisman happens to be what most people have heard of. Most people in America wouldn't know what position the Doak award is awarded to.
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If Auburn were 13-0, about to play for the National Championship and Ben Tate had just won the Heisman with his numbers, you would be celebrating just like most Bama fans. Are some fans taking it too far? Of course. That's what they do.
It's the same bullshit award that is awarded EVERY YEAR to the "best player" on the "best team". The only thing different this year is that a Bama player won it.
Do those fans with the "Ingram is better than Bo" superiority complex need to settle the fuck down? Yes. BUT, that whole "fear the thumb" concept was a bitch and some people are still bitter about it. Add all the stories about how Saban wouldn't recruit like he did at LSU. Saban wouldn't win the way he did at LSU. Saban wouldn't stay 3 years. It's gonna take Saban 4+ years to get his players in, because he isn't a good X's and O's coach. Saban this. Saban that.
The forecast was wrong. Bad wrong. So now they are going to give people shit, right or wrong.
Nice post. But one issue. Alabama fans aren't acting like Chimpanzees because Auburn fans were dead wrong about Saban. This has gone on forever. It's the proverbial notion that Alabama will ALWAYS be on top (next year) and Auburn will always be heading back to where we belong.
I've got no issue with another weak candidate winning the most overrated award in all of sports. My beef is that Alabama fans are the first to display extreme arrogance and poor sportsmanship and then they expect Auburn fans to still be congratulatory.
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Bingo. I could just as much say that they got it wrong by voting for Gerhart. Fact is, it's only as prestigious as you give it credit for. The Heisman happens to be what most people have heard of. Most people in America wouldn't know what position the Doak award is awarded to.
You could say that...it wouldn't make it correct or change the award. I could say that Ingram being voted the Heisman just shows how diminished that award has become. He still won it and Gerhart won the award for best running back in the nation. Fact is most people may or may not know what the Doak Walker award is (I haven't taken a poll and don't really care) but you know what it is.
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You could say that...it wouldn't make it correct or change the award. I could say that Ingram being voted the Heisman just shows how diminished that award has become. He still won it and Gerhart won the award for best running back in the nation. Fact is most people may or may not know what the Doak Walker award is (I haven't taken a poll and don't really care) but you know what it is.
They are two different awards from two different organization. Completely different organizations. All I'm saying is the argument of "How can he be the Heisman if he didn't even win the Doak award?" is a completely illogical thought. The city of Chattanooga recently granted an award to a co-worker of mine for her work with mentally disabled children yet the Employee of the Month went to 12 people other than her this past year. How can that happen? Because the two people awarding two different awards don't communicate with each other and have no desire or need to.
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They are two different awards from two different organization. Completely different organizations. All I'm saying is the argument of "How can he be the Heisman if he didn't even win the Doak award?" is a completely illogical thought. The city of Chattanooga recently granted an award to a co-worker of mine for her work with mentally disabled children yet the Employee of the Month went to 12 people other than her this past year. How can that happen? Because the two people awarding two different awards don't communicate with each other and have no desire or need to.
Did I say that?!? I must have missed something, let me go check:
He may be the best player in the country, to bad he isn't the best RB in the country.
Maybe, I can't read my own writing. Let me clarify a second time...he may be the best player in the country, to bad he isn't the best RB in the country.
Nope, I think I said it right the first time.
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I've got no issue with another weak candidate winning the most overrated award in all of sports. My beef is that Alabama fans are the first to display extreme arrogance and poor sportsmanship and then they expect Auburn fans to still be congratulatory.
Door slammed.
When we got the shaft in 2004, we got no outrage or support from anybody associated with Bama -- even those who have no affiliation with the school other than their racist granddaddy told them "they'us sposta love it dammit!"
No, we got the typical taunting.
And now those same smarmy fucks want me to support Bama in the championship game? FUCK them. Fuck them, their mothers, their dogs, the fleas on their dogs, their cats, their cousins, their uncles, their aunts, their brothers, their sisters and their grandparents. They can all go to hell. Burning, flaming, hell. Fuck them.
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Did I say that?!? I must have missed something, let me go check:Maybe, I can't read my own writing. Let me clarify a second time...he may be the best player in the country, to bad he isn't the best RB in the country.
Nope, I think I said it right the first time.
I assumed you were "playing the words" since the Heisman is to the best College player in the country and the Doak is to the best Running Back in the country. Didn't mean to get out of line, you okay?
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I assumed you were "playing the words" since the Heisman is to the best College player in the country and the Doak is to the best Running Back in the country. Didn't mean to get out of line, you okay?
You didn't get out of line, I just find it humorous that the supposed best player in the nation, didn't even win his own category. ...See now I said it.
I'm fine, want a drink and a cigar, but other than that everything is just dandy! Yourself?
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You didn't get out of line, I just find it humorous that the supposed best player in the nation, didn't even win his own category. ...See now I said it.
I'm fine, want a drink and a cigar, but other than that everything is just dandy! Yourself?
Just smoked a Padron 4000. Don't have money for the anny's anymore but the X000 series is so damn good it doesn't matter.