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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Mr. Sensible on November 15, 2009, 11:04:51 AM
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When did you become cocky, talk shit guy anyway?
Next time that urge hits you, don't!
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67 yards on 20 carries against ..... georgia.
You might have to do a little better than that if you're going to get quoted saying...
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Tate on his game: ``I didn’t play great. I didn’t play good at all, probably the worst game I’ve played all year. And we lose the game and I finish my career 0-4 against Georgia."
Ben Tate on the loss: `` If I had a $1 million in my bank account I would of bet $1 million that we would come down here and win this game. You couldn’t convince me we weren’t going to come out and beat these boys."
Kudos for being a man and owning up to playing like shit in a big game.
B'Ham, I have no idea what you posted, but I'm sure it was more arrogant Bammer bullshit so flush it. :shit:
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Note: he didn't come out and say that stuff on his own. This was an interview that they snagged bits and pieces of then tried to play it up.
It's one of those "out of context" things. He's not cocky, but they asked him, and he said "yeah, I think I'm the best back in the state." I can't say I disagree, I think he IS better than Ingram. His OL is not the best, but I think considering what he's had to work with, the fact that he can still put up numbers like Ingram? He's earned the right to say he thinks he's good.
Also note that they added in, much later, that he made sure in the same interview, (which was only seconds later, and on his own,) that he thinks Ingram is a GREAT back and a fantastic football player.
ESPN bullshit at it's finest.
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Mark Ingram
194 carries, 1297 yards, 10 touchdowns
Ben Tate
225 carries, 1,209 yards, 8 touchdowns
Yes Mr. Tate, you're a good back. No Mr. Tate, you're not putting up numbers that make your egotistical opinion look like anything than just that.. When saying you're better than another running back, make sure he isn't running for more yards with less carries while scoring more touchdowns.
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Your point? A lot of people agree with that statement.
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Your point? A lot of people that don't care that Ingram's ran for more yards with less carries and scored more touchdowns agree with that statement.
fixed it for you
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Hey Ingram has an ok O-line.
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fixed it for you
I know you're working on being "edgy" and "funny" here....but....
I think the point prison is making is that relative to the situations, Tate has vastly out performed Ingram with the tools he's had to work with this year. He's had to work a little harder and still managed to keep at a similar level of Ingram in the stats performance. Unless of course, you want to disagree and claim that Auburn's offensive line and situation on offense is on par with Bama. I don't think you'll find anyone here claiming this.
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I know you're working on being "edgy" and "funny" here....but....
I think the point prison is making is that relative to the situations, Tate has vastly out performed Ingram with the tools he's had to work with this year. He's had to work a little harder and still managed to keep at a similar level of Ingram in the stats performance. Unless of course, you want to disagree and claim that Auburn's offensive line and situation on offense is on par with Bama. I don't think you'll find anyone here claiming this.
I'm fine with this argument. As a matter of fact, I'm fine with any argument from Auburn fans that is entirely supported by "...but Bama is better than Auburn.
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Mark Ingram
194 carries, 1297 yards, 10 touchdowns
Ben Tate
225 carries, 1,209 yards, 8 touchdowns
Yes Mr. Tate, you're a good back. No Mr. Tate, you're not putting up numbers that make your egotistical opinion look like anything than just that.. When saying you're better than another running back, make sure he isn't running for more yards with less carries while scoring more touchdowns.
These were not the stats when he was quoted.
Easy for you to throw those in his face after his worst performance, and one of Ingram's best against Mississippi State.
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fixed it for you
Not really. When you consider the fact that UA is leaning on Ingram like a drunk man on a lamp post, and realize that Ben Tate is only PART of our offense (our QB's have scored 9 more touchdowns this year than yours) then you can edit posts.
Our offense is different. Our QB's "suck" and we're still putting up more numbers than UA is. If we were fixated on the run it would be much different. Our leading receiver has 9 touchdowns.... yours has............ 3? If we used Ben Tate to get into the endzone more like you use Ingram, the stats would be WAY tilted. But they're not, because we USE him differently.
And he STILL had stats (up until last night) that were very, very close.
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"...but Bama is better than Auburn.
Right now?....Who's going to argue with you? Sorry, guess you didn't get your expected meltdown response to your rambling and Tate pictures. You just look like a typical bammer to most of us in this case. *shrug*
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Not really. When you consider the fact that UA is leaning on Ingram like a drunk man on a lamp post, and realize that Ben Tate is only PART of our offense (our QB's have scored 9 more touchdowns this year than yours) then you can edit posts.
Are you blatantly ignoring that Alabama has given the ball to Ingram less than Auburn has given it to Tate?
How are we leaning on Ingram like a drunk man on a lamp post by giving the ball to him less than Tate gets it? I'm sure you'll come up with something, I can't wait to see what it is.
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Easy for you to throw those in his face after his worst performance
And that's the risk of verbalizing your huge ego. People bring it up when you play like shit. If you don't like people bringing it up when you play like shit don't give them anything to bring up.
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Are you blatantly ignoring that Alabama has given the ball to Ingram less than Auburn has given it to Tate?
How are we leaning on Ingram like a drunk man on a lamp post by giving the ball to him less than Tate gets it? I'm sure you'll come up with something, I can't wait to see what it is.
Here, Ben, take this ball and run it into the back of a Center that can't block. Go up the middle for 2 yards.
Here, Ingram, here's a pitch to the outside where you have a wide open lane for 12 yards. We'll give someone else the ball for the bullshit runs.
LOL
There.
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These were not the stats when he was quoted.
Easy for you to throw those in his face after his worst performance, and one of Ingram's best against Mississippi State.
Ingram carried for 149 yards, and didn't even play alot of the 4th quarter due to the cut on his head. That wasn't even one of his best games. Oh, and when Tate made that comment, here is how the stats read:
Ingram: 175 carries for 1148 yards and 8 TD (6.56 ypc)
Tate: 185 carries for 1075 and 8 TD (5.81 ypc)
While you are correct, thos are not the stats from when he was quoted, the stats still show in Ingram's favor when Tate popped off at the mouth. Thanks for the bulletin board material, Mr. Tate.
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Here, Ingram, here's a pitch to the outside where you have a wide open lane for 12 yards. We'll give someone else the ball for the bullpoop runs.
You're an idiot if you think this is what is happening week in and week out. Ingram prides himself on yards after first contact. You simply are posting having not watched or paid attention to Ingram.
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They've actually carried the ball the same % of their teams total plays (both 28%)...so Auburn has not leaned on Tate more simply because he has more carries.
The Alabama offensive line is better, simple as that.
None of this discussion changes the fact that you, Birmingham, complete with your juvenile quote changes, are a complete bama douche.
Oh yeah, and Darvin Adams is better than Julio Jones.
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They've actually carried the ball the same % of their teams total plays (both 28%)
Are you trying to make ibelonginprison look stupid for claiming otherwise? It's not hard is it?
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Are you trying to make ibelonginprison look stupid for claiming otherwise? It's not hard is it?
Keep up gump. His point was that they rely on Ingram more, meaning that don't have much else that is very effective on their offense. He has accounted for 1297 of Alabama's 4176 yards...or 31%.
Tate has accounted for 24% of Auburn's total yards because we've had other offensive players that have been effective....hence his example of our receivers having 22 TDs to Alabama's 13. We have four other players with over 450 yards of total offense. Alabama has 1.
My post was aimed at you, who implied that Tate having more carries means Auburn leans on him more, which isn't true. I wasn't trying to make anyone look stupid...you just happen to walk into that on your own.
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You people are insane if you think Tate is better than Ingram.
Good lord, it's not even close. Ingram is a bruiser who has an uncanny ability to hit the cut back lane. I like Tate, and I think he does have potential to get some playing time in the NFL, but Ingram will be a first/early second round pick next year.
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You people are insane if you think Tate is better than Ingram.
Good lord, it's not even close. Ingram is a bruiser who has an uncanny ability to hit the cut back lane. I like Tate, and I think he does have potential to get some playing time in the NFL, but Ingram will be a first/early second round pick next year.
I don't think Tate is better, that isn't my point at all. My point is that Ingram is no better than McCluster or Hardesty or Kenny Irons was, that's all.
As for "hitting the cut back lane"....I say that's part good running back and part good blocking that effectively creates those lanes. How many times did we see Tate actually put his hand in the middle of the back of a blocker last night and push him down field in front of himself, almost forcing the Auburn blocker to make a block?
Special is when you see guys like Moreno last year finding lanes that didn't exist. That Georgia o-line last year struggled all year and did nothing to help Moreno. He and his individual ability forced 1,400 yards and 16 TDs last year. Ingram is good, but he is much more a Tate than he is a Moreno. I'm 100% convinced that if you put Tate in the bama backfield, he has at least the same numbers Ingram has.
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You people are insane if you think Tate is better than Ingram.
Good lord, it's not even close. Ingram is a bruiser who has an uncanny ability to hit the cut back lane. I like Tate, and I think he does have potential to get some playing time in the NFL, but Ingram will be a first/early second round pick next year.
Like I said in another thread, I don't think anybody is trying to say that Tate is a horrible back. He has made a name for himself, and I consider him one of the top backs in the SEC. However, I agree with you. There is no way you can watch those two run and say that Tate is better than Ingram. And what kills me is, we have an Ingram clone named Trent Richardson. I would almost say that Richardson is farther along in his freshman year than Ingram was. Richardson seems to be alot better at picking up blitzes and making good blocks on passing plays than Ingram was in his freshman year.
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Like I said in another thread, I don't think anybody is trying to say that Tate is a horrible back. He has made a name for himself, and I consider him one of the top backs in the SEC. However, I agree with you. There is no way you can watch those two run and say that Tate is better than Ingram. And what kills me is, we have an Ingram clone named Trent Richardson. I would almost say that Richardson is farther along in his freshman year than Ingram was. Richardson seems to be alot better at picking up blitzes and making good blocks on passing plays than Ingram was in his freshman year.
Richardson is doing well. Ingram said he hit a wall last year around game 7 or 8 and that he hasn't seen that same thing from Richardson. He said Richardson has improved every game all year.
I expect that we also easily replace Tate's production. I see Eric Smith being able to do what Tate does. Aycock is supposed to be a stud. Fannin is actually a better straight up running back than he is a "get it to him in space" runner. (hopefully the coaches have picked up on this and quit trying to force him into that mold). Hopefully a healed McCalebb will get back to his early season form. And then Dyer will push for time too I'm sure. The future is bright in our backfield, that's for sure.
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Keep up gump. His point was that they rely on Ingram more, meaning that don't have much else that is very effective on their offense. He has accounted for 1297 of Alabama's 4176 yards...or 31%.
Tate has accounted for 24% of Auburn's total yards because we've had other offensive players that have been effective....hence his example of our receivers having 22 TDs to Alabama's 13. We have four other players with over 450 yards of total offense. Alabama has 1.
My post was aimed at you, who implied that Tate having more carries means Auburn leans on him more, which isn't true. I wasn't trying to make anyone look stupid...you just happen to walk into that on your own.
Wouldn't the fact that Auburn has 4 players with over 450 of offense make it harder to key on Tate, this making it easier for him to get his yards?
I'm not going to get into the pissing match here, but EVERYONE knows Ingram is the focal point of the Bama offense, yet he still has 1200+ yards. And with over 700 yards AFTER contact, it's not as if he's running behind a line that's getting a 10 yard push on every hand off. Ingram is 170 yards away from breaking Alabama's all time rushing record for a season. To say he's just another good back in the SEC is seriously downplaying his talent.
For the record, Bama's offensive line is no where near as good as last years. Carpenter isn't All-American caliber, Vlachos isn't All-American caliber and Barrett Jones is a freshman. Those guys aren't near as good as the players they are replacing.
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Keep up gump.
No, you need to try and keep up.
You gave stats on their productivity NOT touches. The touches determine their necessity to the team. Their productivity determine what they were able to do with those touches.
Alabama has a combined total of 569 rushing/passing attempts. 219 went to Ingram. (38%)
Auburn has a combined total of 662 rushing/passing attempts. 241 went to Tate. (36%)
Alabama has accumulated 4176 yards rushing/passing. 1522 were from Ingram. (36%)
Auburn has accumulated 4856 yards rushing/passing. 1297 were from Tate. (26%)
In comparison to one another, Ingram is 10% more productive to Alabama's offense than Tate is to Auburn's offense. Ingram achieves this 10% with only 2% more touches.
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No, you need to try and keep up.
You gave stats on their productivity NOT touches. The touches determine their necessity to the team. Their productivity determine what they were able to do with those touches.
Alabama has a combined total of 569 rushing/passing attempts. 219 went to Ingram. (38%)
Auburn has a combined total of 662 rushing/passing attempts. 241 went to Tate. (36%)
Alabama has accumulated 4176 yards rushing/passing. 1522 were from Ingram. (36%)
Auburn has accumulated 4856 yards rushing/passing. 1297 were from Tate. (26%)
In comparison to one another, Ingram is 10% more productive to Alabama's offense than Tate is to Auburn's offense. Ingram achieves this 10% with only 2% more touches.
Both sides need to quit with the stats.
Chris Johnson has better stats than Adrian Peterson this year.
Who do you choose for your team? Peterson's the obvious choice.
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These were not the stats when he was quoted.
Easy for you to throw those in his face after his worst performance, and one of Ingram's best against Mississippi State.
Oh, and speaking of MSU? AU's defense is BARELY better than MSU's........so get ready. AU is ranked 10th in the SEC, while MSU is ranked 11th. AU has given up 9 more TDs than MSU, but AU only allows 359.2 ypg where MSU allows 361.1 ypg. Whats scarier? MSU actually has a BETTER run defense than AU. AU's rush defense is ranked 91st in the country. Guess who likes to pound the ball out, and guess who doesn't have shit for depth on defense?
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Oh, and speaking of MSU? AU's defense is BARELY better than MSU's........so get ready. AU is ranked 10th in the SEC, while MSU is ranked 11th. AU has given up 9 more TDs than MSU, but AU only allows 359.2 ypg where MSU allows 361.1 ypg. Whats scarier? MSU actually has a BETTER run defense than AU. AU's rush defense is ranked 91st in the country. Guess who likes to pound the ball out, and guess who doesn't have poop for depth on defense?
Well what's the point of this "get ready" post?
what kind of response are you expecting? Do you think we haven't all been watching this #91 run defense all year? You don't think we
haven't thought of this? You're so brave with your outlandish predictions and threats :sad: