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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Townhallsavoy on October 20, 2009, 06:57:11 PM
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Fucking cheaters
Spurrier questions Alabama kick tactics
USC coach plans to contact SEC
USC coach Steve Spurrier on Tuesday questioned the legality of a piece of tape Alabama used to mark the spot on Crimson Tide kicker Leigh Tiffin’s extra points and field goals in Alabama’s 20-6 win last weekend.
During his weekly press conference, Spurrier said he planned to contact the SEC office to see if the use of a mark on kicks is legal.
According to the NCAA rule book, it is not. :bammer:
Rule 6-3(d) states that “any device or material used to mark the spot of a scrimmage place kick or elevate the ball makes the kick illegal.” Tiffin was 2-for-2 on extra points and 2-for-3 on field goals against the Gamecocks.
Spurrier said he noticed the tape while watching the game video.
“Their holder on extra points and field goals had a little piece of white tape. … And he put (the tape) down and that was their spot,” Spurrier said. “And the guy kicked it, and occasionally he’d go way over there and grab it (after the kick). I’d never seen that before. So I think we’ve gotta call the head of officials to see if that’s legal.”
SEC spokesman Charles Bloom said the conference was looking into the matter.
Spurrier said Alabama holder P.J. Fitzgerald would put the tape in his pocket after the kicks.
“I’ve never seen that before. But I’m sure they’ve probably been doing it all year,” Spurrier said. “Maybe it is legal. I didn’t know that.”
http://www.thestate.com/591/story/991533.html?storylink=omni_popular (http://www.thestate.com/591/story/991533.html?storylink=omni_popular)
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phuking cheaters
http://www.thestate.com/591/story/991533.html?storylink=omni_popular (http://www.thestate.com/591/story/991533.html?storylink=omni_popular)
This is a little ticky tack in my opinion.
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Rule 6-3(d) states that “any device or material used to mark the spot of a scrimmage place kick or elevate the ball makes the kick illegal.” Tiffin was 2-for-2 on extra points and 2-for-3 on field goals against the Gamecocks.
Not a deal breaker, but it is 8 points. *shrug*
Who knew.
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Some might think it's nothing, but with as much rain as we've had a thick piece of tape would definitely do the trick to elevate it off the soft ground.
So what have we got:
Textbook Gate
Charger Gate
Cruise Gate
Laptop Gate
and now....
Tape Gate
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Reaching a little you think?
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Unless Alabama's defense, which had 5 sacks and 11 pressures on Garcia, used tape to place over the eye's of USC's offensive line, I think Spurrier has other things to concern himself with.
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This is a little ticky tack in my opinion.
It's just a little tape...
It's just a fishing trip...
It's just a laptop...
It's just a few textbooks...
It's just a minor grade change at Hoover High School...
It's just a few upgrades to a parent's kitchen...
It's just a rinky dink Dodge Charger...
It's just a $250,000 check to the head coach of a 3 star defensive lineman....
Okay...it's ticky tack as hell.
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So, if the coaches have knowingly been using an Illegal Device (piece of tape) to spot where the ball will be and so that the ball might not slip once the ball is placed on the illegal device every game this year....would that be the same as knowingly using an Illegal player?
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So, if the coaches have knowingly been using an Illegal Device (piece of tape) to spot where the ball will be and so that the ball might not slip once the ball is placed on the illegal device every game this year....would that be the same as knowingly using an Illegal player?
No. It would be the same as lining up off sides on every kicking play and the refs not calling a penalty for it. It's an illegal procedure penalty, if called in the game. Nothing more. Nothing less.
FWIW, after watching the kicks again on the SEC network, the white piece of tape appears beside the ball. I'm guessing it's a marker so the holder can get the ball down in the right spot. Still illegal, and should have been called.
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No. It would be the same as lining up off sides on every kicking play and the refs not calling a penalty for it. It's an illegal procedure penalty, if called in the game. Nothing more. Nothing less.
FWIW, after watching the kicks again on the SEC network, the white piece of tape appears beside the ball. I'm guessing it's a marker so the holder can get the ball down in the right spot. Still illegal, and should have been called.
Who wants to bet Bama's holder gets kicked in the balls this week?
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Who wants to bet Bama's holder gets kicked in the balls this week?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I for one think this couldn't be any more serious. I know things, this is about to get real ugly real quick. I can't believe what's about to happen, how could we be so stupid. How could our coaching staff allow our players to do this? I'm physically sick to my stomach over what was just brought to my attention.
I'm dead serious!!!!!111 !!!1 !1
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I didn't see anybody bitching and crying about UF doing it in the 2008 SECCG. I guess its ok, because we lost that game, and thats what everybody here wants.
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I didn't see anybody bitching and crying about UF doing it in the 2008 SECCG. I guess its ok, because we lost that game, and thats what everybody here wants.
Pics?
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I didn't see anybody bitching and crying about UF doing it in the 2008 SECCG. I guess its ok, because we lost that game, and thats what everybody here wants.
^^^^^^This guy gets it^^^^^^^^
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Pics?
Not necessary, boartitz.
No matter what $puat is guilty of, someone else is ALWAYS doing it too.
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Pics?
Go back and watch it. I never thought anything about it, because I never thought it was illegal. And also? Football uniforms don't have pockets. Seriously though, if you guys want to jump all over us over a piece of tape, then sweet Jesus......this must be the little sister syndrome that Prowler speaks of.
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Go back and watch it. I never thought anything about it, because I never thought it was illegal. And also? Football uniforms don't have pockets. Seriously though, if you guys want to jump all over us over a piece of tape, then sweet Jesus......this must be the little sister syndrome that Prowler speaks of.
Sensitive much? No one has jumped all over anyone, most of us have said "ticky tacky" and then made fun of your program...you expect something else? Personally me thinks someone doth protest to much.
However, it really is no big deal, if he gets caught I think its like a 5 yard penalty...during the game..
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Sensitive much? No one has jumped all over anyone, most of us have said "ticky tacky" and then made fun of your program...you expect something else? Personally me thinks someone doth protest to much.
However, it really is no big deal, if he gets caught I think its like a 5 yard penalty...during the game..
THS seems to take it pretty seriously. I can't believe that CSS didn't alert the refs to this if he knew we were doing it. If we were doing it, who really gives a flying fuck? Nothing is going to happen even if the SEC looks at it and sees that it was a no-call. Its no different than any other no-call in any other game, as you seem to suggest.
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I can't believe that CSS didn't alert the refs to this if he knew we were doing it.
Spurrier said he noticed the tape while watching the game video.
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THS seems to take it pretty seriously. I can't believe that CSS didn't alert the refs to this if he knew we were doing it. If we were doing it, who really gives a flying fuck? Nothing is going to happen even if the SEC looks at it and sees that it was a no-call. Its no different than any other no-call in any other game, as you seem to suggest.
It's illegal per the rulebook that the other 119 teams play by.
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It's illegal per the rulebook that the other 119 teams play by.
So is catching the ball off a bounce.
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So is catching the ball off a bounce.
There's not a rule against that. The rule is incomplete pass if it hits the ground first.
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There's not a rule against that. The rule is incomplete pass if it hits the ground first.
Either way, it's not fucking legal to catch the pass off a bounce. You sum bitches aren't bitching about that missed call though.
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Either way, it's not fucking legal to catch the pass off a bounce. You sum bitches aren't bitching about that missed call though.
What missed call are you talking about? Surely you don't mean the fine catch that JJ Meadors made back in '95, clearly getting his hands under the ball in the end zone? Even with replay, that wouldn't have been overturned.
Cheaters never win. (except at 'bama)
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What missed call are you talking about? Surely you don't mean the fine catch that JJ Meadors made back in '95, clearly getting his hands under the ball in the end zone? Even with replay, that wouldn't have been overturned.
Cheaters never win. (except at 'bama)
Yes, I was talking about the ball that was trapped in the endzone in '95. I forgot to mention the "12 players on the field" game, I believe in '97.
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CNS' remarks from the SEC conference call:
Coach Nick Saban on the SEC Conference call was just asked about Spurrier's comment about using a piece of tape to mark where the ball should go on field goals and extra points.
"I have to be very honest about this, I was not aware of this. I have become aware of this since it was brought to my attention. We certainly don't want our players to do anything that's illegal. It's a five-yard penalty if you do anything to enhance the spot.
"We've done some research on it and over half of the teams do something, whether it's put a piece of grass there or piece of mud, or whatever it is so the kicker knows where it's going to be spotted. We even saw verification of something where even South Carolina's kicker did something. This is not something that is really unusual for people to do. It is something that shouldn't be done because it's against the rules. We're actually happy it was brought to our attention because I wasn't aware of it."
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CNS' remarks from the SEC conference call:
Little Nicky was ignorant of the rule and everybody else is doing it. It's cool.
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CNS' remarks from the SEC conference call:
I could have almost written down his response ver batim...
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CNS' remarks from the SEC conference call:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
How exactly did he "research" this? A piece of grass?
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
How exactly did he "research" this? A piece of grass?
I would imagine its just as easy as him calling a few other programs and asking them if they do anything similar. I'm sure that, according to you, everybody in college football hates Nick Saban. However, I'm sure he has some corch-like friends around the country.
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I would imagine its just as easy as him calling a few other programs and asking them if they do anything similar. I'm sure that, according to you, everybody in college football hates Nick Saban. However, I'm sure he has some corch-like friends around the country.
Opposing Team Coach: "Yeah, man. We cheat all the time. Don't you? You didn't know everyone did this? Gah, man."
Riiiight....
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Opposing Team Coach: "Yeah, man. We cheat all the time. Don't you? You didn't know everyone did this? Gah, man."
Riiiight....
I'm still looking for where I said he called an opposing team's coach. We don't play every single team in the country, you know. I'm sure he knows plenty of coaches around the country, coaches of teams we don't play as a matter of fact. Pete Carrol would be one of those coaches, just off the top of my head. Bob Stoops, Will Muschamp, etc etc. Do you really think coaches don't talk with other coaches around the country, get new ideas, share ideas, etc?
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Hey...wait a second...
"I mean, I want UF to be #1 when Auburn beats them in the SEC Championship Game" - The Prowler ..FAIL..
Technically this is not a fail...yet.
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Hey...wait a second...
Technically this is not a fail...yet.
Logically it is.
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I'm still looking for where I said he called an opposing team's coach. We don't play every single team in the country, you know. I'm sure he knows plenty of coaches around the country, coaches of teams we don't play as a matter of fact. Pete Carrol would be one of those coaches, just off the top of my head. Bob Stoops, Will Muschamp, etc etc. Do you really think coaches don't talk with other coaches around the country, get new ideas, share ideas, etc?
On how to cheat?
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On how to cheat?
Over the summer Muschamp and Saban were exchanging ideas on defenses. Muschamp even came to Tuscaloosa.
Stoops and Saban met as well to exchange defensive ideas. Stoops came to Tuscaloosa for this as well.
Saban met with Carrol while Saban was shooting his ESPN commercial.
You can say they exchange whatever information you want. It still doesn't change the fact that coaches talk, and thats how Saban "researched" what other programs are doing. I'm simply answering your question, and you're trying to turn it down a whole different road to divert attention.
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I would imagine its just as easy as him calling a few other programs and asking them if they do anything similar. I'm sure that, according to you, everybody in college football hates Nick Saban. However, I'm sure he has some corch-like friends around the country.
So "calling a few other programs" constitutes "half the teams" in the country? He probably called Jackie Sherrill, Gene Stallings and Tommy Tuberville. Jackie and Gene did it, therefore "more than half" do something.
And let me see if I understand this....he claims some teams put a piece of grass...in the grass (?) to mark the spot. Interesting. If the kicker can concentrate on that particular piece of grass, couldn't he just stare at a piece of grass that was already there?
I am impressed with his ability to use the word "something" at least once in five consecutive sentences.
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So "calling a few other programs" constitutes "half the teams" in the country? He probably called Jackie Sherrill, Gene Stallings and Tommy Tuberville. Jackie and Gene did it, therefore "more than half" do something.
And let me see if I understand this....he claims some teams put a piece of grass...in the grass (?) to mark the spot. Interesting. If the kicker can concentrate on that particular piece of grass, couldn't he just stare at a piece of grass that was already there?
I am impressed with his ability to use the word "something" at least once in five consecutive sentences.
Nick saban is killing you with his mind right now.
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So "calling a few other programs" constitutes "half the teams" in the country? He probably called Jackie Sherrill, Gene Stallings and Tommy Tuberville. Jackie and Gene did it, therefore "more than half" do something.
And let me see if I understand this....he claims some teams put a piece of grass...in the grass (?) to mark the spot. Interesting. If the kicker can concentrate on that particular piece of grass, couldn't he just stare at a piece of grass that was already there?
I am impressed with his ability to use the word "something" at least once in five consecutive sentences.
The fact that anyone buys into this shit amazes me. The fact that it's RWS, however, does not.
There's so much wrong with Saban's statement, it's hard to waste time inserting logic into it.
But here goes:
This is a ridiculous claim from the very start. He did not fucking "research" this by calling up 120 coaches, and over half of them (even if he was using a sample size of fucking 3) admit to cheating regularly.
EVEN IF his bullshit statement were true, a piece of grass, or mud is not “any device or material used to mark the spot of a scrimmage place kick or elevate the ball". A piece of tape is something that is undoubtedly deliberately used for this purpose. EVEN IF someone picks up a piece of grass or mud off of the football field and puts it back on the ground (which is a ridiculous thought in itself), that is not the same thing as taking a white piece of tape out and putting on the spot.
As stated earlier, just how the flying fuck can someone spot a piece of grass ON GRASS to help them spot the ball from however many yards away? He'd be better pressed just keeping his eye on the spot on the ground itself. This notion completely lacks a grounding in reality.
In other words, it's complete bullshit, and you'd have to be a dipshit to buy into any of it.
Don't stop believin', RWS.
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The fact that anyone buys into this shit amazes me. The fact that it's RWS, however, does not.
There's so much wrong with Saban's statement, it's hard to waste time inserting logic into it.
But here goes:
This is a ridiculous claim from the very start. He did not fucking "research" this by calling up 120 coaches, and over half of them (even if he was using a sample size of fucking 3) admit to cheating regularly.
EVEN IF his bullshit statement were true, a piece of grass, or mud is not “any device or material used to mark the spot of a scrimmage place kick or elevate the ball". A piece of tape is something that is undoubtedly deliberately used for this purpose. EVEN IF someone picks up a piece of grass or mud off of the football field and puts it back on the ground (which is a ridiculous thought in itself), that is not the same thing as taking a white piece of tape out and putting on the spot.
As stated earlier, just how the flying fuck can someone spot a piece of grass ON GRASS to help them spot the ball from however many yards away? He'd be better pressed just keeping his eye on the spot on the ground itself. This notion completely lacks a grounding in reality.
In other words, it's complete bullshit, and you'd have to be a dipshit to buy into any of it.
Don't stop believin', RWS.
So, if we were to use mud from now on, you would be OK with that? I mean, mud is technically a "material". I mean, I agree, its not the same as tape. But if its serving the same purpose, then what? I would think if somebody was using white tape, or in UF's case, blue tape, that could easily be seen by a ref. And if the refs see it but aren't calling it, thats their problem. I mean they are right there looking at it. Where he gets the "half the country" or whatever statement, I have no idea. I'm all I've addressed in the above posts I made were how you could "research" what other teams are doing, since that is the exact word you questioned.
Don't stop being a dumbass, Chizad. Why does it feel like the off season all of a sudden? Oh, because AU is playing like shit and misery loves company. Thats why.
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So, if we were to use mud from now on, you would be OK with that? I mean, mud is technically a "material". I mean, I agree, its not the same as tape. But if its serving the same purpose, then what? I would think if somebody was using white tape, or in UF's case, blue tape, that could easily be seen by a ref. And if the refs see it but aren't calling it, thats their problem. I mean they are right there looking at it. Where he gets the "half the country" or whatever statement, I have no idea. I'm all I've addressed in the above posts I made were how you could "research" what other teams are doing, since that is the exact word you questioned.
Don't stop being a dumbass, Chizad. Why does it feel like the off season all of a sudden? Oh, because AU is playing like shit and misery loves company. Thats why.
If you use mud on our field, you brought it from home.
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So, if we were to use mud from now on, you would be OK with that? I mean, mud is technically a "material". I mean, I agree, its not the same as tape. But if its serving the same purpose, then what? I would think if somebody was using white tape, or in UF's case, blue tape, that could easily be seen by a ref. And if the refs see it but aren't calling it, thats their problem. I mean they are right there looking at it. Where he gets the "half the country" or whatever statement, I have no idea. I'm all I've addressed in the above posts I made were how you could "research" what other teams are doing, since that is the exact word you questioned.
Don't stop being a dumbass, Chizad. Why does it feel like the off season all of a sudden? Oh, because AU is playing like shit and misery loves company. Thats why.
I guess you calling me a dumbass absolves all dumbassery from your arguments (or unwaivering support of Saban's argument).
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I guess you calling me a dumbass absolves all dumbassery from your arguments (or unwaivering support of Saban's argument).
I take that as you're not going to answer my question.
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I take that as you're not going to answer my question.
There was a question in that dumbassery?
Would it be ok for uat to have used mud instead? Since "over half" of every college football team has been doing this for years, I'd imagine no one would have complained about it. :sarcasm:
I highly doubt Spurrier would have seen a speck of mud on the field from the film and said "Hey, they must be using that to spot the ball for the kicks!" For that matter, I highly doubt anyone would do this, ever, as it would be completely ineffective.
And yet again, you're full of shit on Florida's blue tape.
Show me video evidence of this.
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So, you're saying I shouldn't have slept with the cleaning lady on my desk? Cause...I gotta say, I never read that in the employee handbook.
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Who reads the employee handbook?
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Who reads the employee handbook?
Who pays a guy millions not to?
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There was a question in that dumbassery?
Would it be ok for uat to have used mud instead? Since "over half" of every college football team has been doing this for years, I'd imagine no one would have complained about it. :sarcasm:
I highly doubt Spurrier would have seen a speck of mud on the field from the film and said "Hey, they must be using that to spot the ball for the kicks!" For that matter, I highly doubt anyone would do this, ever, as it would be completely ineffective.
And yet again, you're full of shit on Florida's blue tape.
Show me video evidence of this.
I would guess that nobody complains, perhaps because alot of teams do it themselves. Plus, nobody else wants to seem petty about losing. And Spurrier is being just that. I'm sorry that he can't deal with the fact that he is washed up. I'm sorry that he can't handle the fact that he needs to retire. I didn't say that we used a speck of mud. I said what if we did use a speck of mud?
Think whatever you want about UF's tape. I can't readily find any videos of kicks from the game.
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I'm going to step in and call this fight.
RWS? You made yourself look ridiculous with your desperate attempts to justify Alabama's pattern of stretching the rules and then claiming innocence.
You have an asinine and contrived explanation for everything.
You've won some before. You lost this round. Badly. It was like Roger Schultz on a double beef and cheese taco abuse.
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I'm going to step in and call this fight.
RWS? You made yourself look ridiculous with your desperate attempts to justify Alabama's pattern of stretching the rules and then claiming innocence.
You have an asinine and contrived explanation for everything.
You've won some before. You lost this round. Badly. It was like Roger Schultz on a double beef and cheese taco abuse.
Honestly, I shouldn't have even gotten into this argument. I really don't care. Obviously we're doing it, otherwise I'm sure CNS would have denied it. I never said we didn't. I'm not saying that since others do it then its ok for us to do it. I'm saying if we do it and others do it as well and we're now going to get tough on it, then lets make sure everybody stops doing it. Personally, I think its a stupid fucking argument in the first place. I mean, really? Does something this minor REALLY matter? It wouldn't change the outcome of any of the games we've played. It wouldn't matter to me if every team in the NCAA did it. Maybe I'm stupid, I just don't see how it gives you an advantage. If AU or UF did it, I would defend them because I think its just stupid to get upset over something so petty.
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Honestly, I shouldn't have even gotten into this argument. I really don't care. Obviously we're doing it, otherwise I'm sure CNS would have denied it. I never said we didn't. I'm not saying that since others do it then its ok for us to do it. I'm saying if we do it and others do it as well and we're now going to get tough on it, then lets make sure everybody stops doing it. Personally, I think its a stupid fucking argument in the first place. I mean, really? Does something this minor REALLY matter? It wouldn't change the outcome of any of the games we've played. It wouldn't matter to me if every team in the NCAA did it. Maybe I'm stupid, I just don't see how it gives you an advantage. If AU or UF did it, I would defend them because I think its just stupid to get upset over something so petty.
In other words, you're completely wrong and have no argument, but that doesn't stop you from bloviating and turning anything you can into a pissing match.
Did I say it was a huge deal? Did I insinuate it was any bigger than any other no-call? Did I say anything ridiculous like you guys should be put on probation for it?
I only laughed at how ridiculous Saban's statements on the matter were. And you, of course, defended them tooth and nail.
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In other words, you're completely wrong and have no argument, but that doesn't stop you from bloviating and turning anything you can into a pissing match.
Did I say it was a huge deal? Did I insinuate it was any bigger than any other no-call? Did I say anything ridiculous like you guys should be put on probation for it?
I only laughed at how ridiculous Saban's statements on the matter were. And you, of course, defended them tooth and nail.
Ok.
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Honestly, I shouldn't have even gotten into this argument. I really don't care. Obviously we're doing it, otherwise I'm sure CNS would have denied it. I never said we didn't. I'm not saying that since others do it then its ok for us to do it. I'm saying if we do it and others do it as well and we're now going to get tough on it, then lets make sure everybody stops doing it. Personally, I think its a stupid fucking argument in the first place. I mean, really? Does something this minor REALLY matter? It wouldn't change the outcome of any of the games we've played. It wouldn't matter to me if every team in the NCAA did it. Maybe I'm stupid, I just don't see how it gives you an advantage. If AU or UF did it, I would defend them because I think its just stupid to get upset over something so petty.
You could've just started your post with "maybe I'm stupid" and just left it at that.....
You don't see how it gives you an advantage??? Seriously? If the snap is somewhat high and the placekick holder has to reach up to get it, if he misplaces the ball, the kick will either be hooked or pushed, depending on the spotting of the ball. But if the holder can use a blade of grass to mark his spot, then I'm sure that he could just use his peripheral vision to catch the ball and place it, then he could use his Jedi mind to make sure the field goal or extra point always goes through.
This guy was a placekick holder that could concentrate on the blade of grass....
Further proof that Auburn fans are idiots... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EIaju7Akdg#)
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WOW! I missed a lot today.
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THS seems to take it pretty seriously.
:rofl:
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I didn't see anybody bitching and crying about UF doing it in the 2008 SECCG. I guess its ok, because we lost that game, and thats what everybody here wants.
Are we or aren't we going to not split hairs or generalize?
I just gotta know.