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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on October 12, 2009, 12:58:27 PM
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This morning, our local sports talk guy read a quote from Antonio Coleman after the game Saturday. Don't know where it was from and it may have already been posted here. Coleman said he wanted a meeting with Chizik to discuss what's going on with the defense. He wasn't happy.
Last week, I said over and over that if Roof chose to continually rush 4, Arky would hang 50 on Auburn. He did, they almost did. This past Saturday, every single time we lined up on defense, I just prayed that someone would step up and make a great individual effort because strategy-wise, the game was over before it started. Could it be that Corch Bobby Petrino looked at the film of the first 5 games and said, "Hmmm...
1st and 10....4-3
3rd and 2....4-3
2nd and 15...4-3
3rd and goal from the 2....4-3
Let's see...they blitzed a safety once against MSU early in the 1st quarter and faked a blitz one time against UT. Okay....unless I'm missing something, and I don't think I am....I believe I can call a game to pretty much drive a stake through their hearts by..oohhh saayyyy..middle of the second quarter."
I've heard the depth excuse until I want to puke on my shoes. I watched UF/LSU on a wide screen in the Tallahassee Hooters Saturday night and never once did I say, "Damn, that's like the 5th nose gaurd they've played" (I did say "Wow, nice tits") Yep, it's great to be 3 deep at every position but seriously, is the 3rd string offensive guard really going to play unless it's a blowout? If we were 3 deep at corner, would Walter McFadden really say, "Thank God, I need a blow"?
I understand how truly thin Auburn is at LB. But what the hell does that have to do with stacking the box or changing up your defense to you know...maybe fit the situation...maybe...possibly give the opponent a different look....maybe...oh I don't know...give yourself a chance to stop an offense and get off the field. Is Josh Bynes going to get any more or less tired by running on a straight line towards the QB or chasing Michael Smith down the sidelines? Just curious.
Antonio Coleman and Antoine Carter and Michael Goggans and Mike Blanc and Jake Ricks and Walter McFadden and Craig Stevens...have all been a part of defensive units that were actually feared and respected in this league. They did not suddenly forget how to play football. They did not suddenly forget how to tackle. What is the damn difference? Depth? Bullshit!!!
This team is 5-1 and doing better than I and most people really expected. But I think everyone recognizes the one persistent deficiency in this team compared to even last year's debacle. Everyone also recognizes that Auburn is heading into the real meat of their schedule with LSU, Ole Miss, Georgia and Bama just ahead. How long will those teams have to study film to figure out how to attack this defense. One game's worth ought to do it, don'tcha think? The quote from Antonio Coleman didn't sound like he wanted to bend Chizzy's ear about developing some depth. Sounded more like he has a few choice words about how he and his team mates are getting the shaft.
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Depth is the overall problem. Roof calling off for the day is something totally different.
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QFT
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Dear A. C.,
Practice delivering your complaint before the meeting.
Signed,
Eltoro Freeman
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Everyone is such a big word, Harv.
Our defense will be fine. We were just playing vanilla so we didn't put players in a position to get injured. You must live in a world of shit. Your glass is half empty. No need to jump off a cliff. I knew you would say this. Predictable. You can't use one game to make determinations. It's too early to know. We will just have to wait and see. It's just common fucking sense.
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Vanilla? Hmm..novel idea. Now that I have had time to mull this whole thing over, I feel certain that Corch Roof will now turn the dawgs loose. Look out UK. You're just an appetizer.
A.C. is definitely one to speak his mind, good or bad. (Like I know the guy, whatever) I do know from a family member that was at pratice that the rumors of him getting into it with Rocker and walking off the field were 100% spot on. I hope he closes the doors and lights em' up.
Look, we're half way through the season and probably at the bottom of just about every statistical category...even at 5-1. It damn sure can't hurt anything to change things up.
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Ted Roof is the Tony Franklin of defense.
Others can make excuses all they want -- and have.
I said after the WVU game I was impressed with his effort to rein the guys in and get them to keep everything in front. In retrospect I may have read too much into it. Was not aware then it was his ONLY answer.
If Tennessee receivers can catch a ball in their hands or if Crompton isn't bouncing balls off receivers heads that game could easily have gone the way Saturday did.
I've also heard the old "hurry up makes the defense tired because it moves so fast."
Also bullshit.
Shouldn't be tired on the first series.
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I was under the impression that Chizik ran the defense. With him being a defensive guy, I figured Roof was more of an assistant than a coordinator. I remember Chizik's defense at Auburn being a very good one.
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I was under the impression that Chizik ran the defense. With him being a defensive guy, I figured Roof was more of an assistant than a coordinator. I remember Chizik's defense at Auburn being a very good one.
I'm not sure he has anything to do with the defense.
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I was under the impression that Chizik ran the defense. With him being a defensive guy, I figured Roof was more of an assistant than a coordinator. I remember Chizik's defense at Auburn being a very good one.
I wish he did. We wouldn't be seeing this clusterfuck if he were.
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This morning, our local sports talk guy read a quote from Antonio Coleman after the game Saturday. Don't know where it was from and it may have already been posted here. Coleman said he wanted a meeting with Chizik to discuss what's going on with the defense. He wasn't happy.
http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/10/auburns_antonio_coleman_frustr.html (http://blog.al.com/auburnbeat/2009/10/auburns_antonio_coleman_frustr.html)
Auburn's Antonio Coleman frustrated about defense
By Evan Woodbery
October 11, 2009, 8:29PM
Todd Van Emst, AuburnAntonio Coleman returns an interception in Week 2 against Mississippi State.We just wrapped up an interesting interview with Auburn defensive end Antonio Coleman.
The fifth-year senior hates to lose, and he doesn't back away from forceful statements.
Read on...
"I don't like it and I don't think anyone on this team likes losing," Coleman said.
Later, Coleman volunteered that he planned to seek a meeting with head coach Gene Chizik about the direction of the defense.
"I'm a fifth-year senior and I came back to have fun and help this team win," he said. "I just have to go sit down with coach Chizik about how I feel about what's going on."
Asked to elaborate, Coleman said the discussion would center on "how I feel about how this defense is playing and just a couple of things that I may see we need to work on."
Coleman is playing with an injured right wrist that requires a cast during games. A large bag of ice was placed on his forearm during interviews Sunday. Chizik has said the injury may be limiting Coleman's effectiveness. The Mobile native didn't register a single tackle Saturday at Arkansas, but he bristled when presented with that stat on Sunday.
"I don't look at the stat sheets," he said. "Coach (Tracy) Rocker, he doesn't look at the stat sheet. If you want to look at grades, go over to Haley Center (a campus academic building) and get your grades....It's about ballin'. You have to get out there and make plays and fly around and have fun. If you want to get all these grades and stuff, go to school to get your grades."
Some more thoughts from A.C....
(On the game)
Last night, obviously, was a tough loss for all of us as a team. Defensively, we didn't do what we were supposed to do to go out and help this team win the ballgame.
Right now, I think we're at a point that our eyes are open. We're not so much in shock but we see what can happen if we go out and don't prepare well and get our minds ready to play a football game.
(On his injury)
There's a lot of things going through my head. When it boils down to it, I still have to go out there and make plays whatever the predicament is.
(On his position)
It doesn't matter to me. Just tell me where to play on the football field and I'll play. I'll play a little linebacker. Like I told coach Malzahn, put me at offensive guard and I'll pull around and knock somebody out for you.
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I like this guy.
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I wish he did. We wouldn't be seeing this clusterphuk if he were.
We disagree.
Signed,
Iowa State fans and players
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We disagree.
Signed,
Iowa State fans and players
Did he handle the defense there?
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Did he handle the defense there?
He couldn't afford coordinators...
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He couldn't afford coordinators...
+1 1/3
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Did he handle the defense there?
Dunno. Looked like the same poop there we're doing here.
Wasn't "Chizik is a defensive mastermind, we won't have to worry about the defense as long as he's here. Doesn't matter if he hired Ted Roof or Bob Villa, he'll handle the defense and that will be awesome" like point #2 in the "your glass is half empty, why do you hate Gene Chizik" platform espoused from about February on by a few around here?
Oh. Now he doesn't handle the defense. I get it.
Well, which is it young feller? Is he runnin' the defense or is he ain't?
Mean to say, if he is he's a doin' a turd-tastic job bout now. And iff'n he ain't then ya can't rightly use it as a reason to endorse the guy. See what I'm-a sayin?
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Dunno. Looked like the same poop there we're doing here.
Wasn't "Chizik is a defensive mastermind, we won't have to worry about the defense as long as he's here. Doesn't matter if he hired Ted Roof or Bob Villa, he'll handle the defense and that will be awesome" like point #2 in the "your glass is half empty, why do you hate Gene Chizik" platform espoused from about February on by a few around here?
Oh. Now he doesn't handle the defense. I get it.
Well, which is it young feller? Is he runnin' the defense or is he ain't?
Mean to say, if he is he's a doin' a turd-tastic job bout now. And iff'n he ain't then ya can't rightly use it as a reason to endorse the guy. See what I'm-a sayin?
What has my position been from the beginning on Chizik's direct role on the field. I have stated time and time again, he doesn't have shit to do with it. He hires assistants, and handles the media. He decides to punt or go for it on 4th down. He calls official reviews, and chews officials out when they make dumb calls. He may even be on the field yelling "Come on, let's go" to fire guys up. But he is not calling plays.
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Dunno. Looked like the same poop there we're doing here.
Wasn't "Chizik is a defensive mastermind, we won't have to worry about the defense as long as he's here. Doesn't matter if he hired Ted Roof or Bob Villa, he'll handle the defense and that will be awesome" like point #2 in the "your glass is half empty, why do you hate Gene Chizik" platform espoused from about February on by a few around here?
Oh. Now he doesn't handle the defense. I get it.
Well, which is it young feller? Is he runnin' the defense or is he ain't?
Mean to say, if he is he's a doin' a turd-tastic job bout now. And iff'n he ain't then ya can't rightly use it as a reason to endorse the guy. See what I'm-a sayin?
Don't know great and powerful Oz. That's why I asked the question. Trying to find out the probable answer through gathering knowledge.
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Don't know great and powerful Oz. That's why I asked the question. Trying to find out the probable answer through gathering knowledge.
Just cuss everyone and claim you were right all along...
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Don't know great and powerful Oz. That's why I asked the question. Trying to find out the probable answer through gathering knowledge.
Knowledge is power..
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Just cuss everyone and claim you were right all along...
It only works when you are...
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Don't know great and powerful Oz. That's why I asked the question. Trying to find out the probable answer through gathering knowledge.
Oz is a prison I don't even want to go to.
I don't know if he is or he isn't. But if he isn't, maybe he needs to. And if he is, he needs to step the fuck off.
I just know that some folks -- not you -- were using that as justification #2. Chizik was a defensive mastermind and the Auburn D wouldn't lose a step and would probably be better.
Instead? Worst Auburn defense I've seen in 30 years so far.
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Here's my armchair, never coached defense (or offense...or special teams...but I do coach T-ball) analysis. If Chizik ain't involved in the defense, he needs to be. He's doesn't have to handle the media during practices or while the game is going on. He can make 4th down decisions (Which he's not real good at...see Ball State up 30-7) and still be involved with handling the D.
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I've seen the post Shug era of the late seventies and let me tell you it wasn't a pretty sight with all of the drinking and drugging that went on. On the other hand it took our minds off the real problem with the team which was lack of talent, coaching, tackling and whatnot. :gig:
The whatnot was the death blow.
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Worst Auburn defense I've seen in 30 years so far.
I used the B word to some folks Saturday.....
That's right. Barfield.
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I used the B word to some folks Saturday.....
That's right. Barfield.
There were some iffy Bowden defenses.
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I used the B word to some folks Saturday.....
That's right. Barfield.
I hear you, I just can't bring myself to utter the name. Look, it will take many more years of therapy if I go there so please I beg you-MAKE IT GO AWAY! :flag:
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There were some iffy Bowden defenses.
There were some iffy Bowden everything. "125lb RB you say...I'll take'em....smaller the better, I tells ya."
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Whether he's calling plays or not for the defense, his coordinator should have an understanding as to what his philosophy is and should be calling plays accordingly.
When Chizik brought Malzahn on, he made sure Gus knew he wanted to maintain a physical running style (mixed in with all the other stuff, of course). But Gus knew that down-hill running was important from an identity standpoint.
I can't imagine the same kind of info wasn't/isn't shared with Roof on defensive philosophy. Even if Roof is running the defense and calling the plays, he has to have some idea as to what his head coach desires to see from an identity standpoint.
This is where it gets confusing. Say what you will (Kaos) about Chizik's 2 Iowa State defenses while ignoring the 5 years prior to that, the fact is he has coached some very, very good defenses in his career (with talent, of course, but he coached them nonetheless).
So we know he can coach defense, he just can, it's not really a question mark. However, it seems impossible that what we're seeing from Roof is in line with what Chizik would have as a defensive philosophy (simple, plain, repetitive, predictable, etc). What defensive minded coach stresses being vanilla and predictable? No one.
This is what's so confusing. I can't come up with any logical explanation as to why we refuse to blitz, refuse to show different fronts and formations, and refuse to adjust to anything during a game. And I know Chizik may be trying to stay out of his coordinators way during a game. But hell, how long, just from a fan standpoint, can he just sit back and watch us run the same worthless scheme play after play?
You're right, this post offers no explanations, I don't know that there really is one at this point. Hopefully Antonio Coleman is asking the same questions to Chizik.
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Say what you will (Kaos) about Chizik's 2 Iowa State defenses while ignoring the 5 years prior to that, the fact is he has coached some very, very good defenses in his career (with talent, of course, but he coached them nonetheless).
Okay, how about we DON'T ignore the five years before. Hell, let's extrapolate that bitch out for an entire decade.
Here's what ISU's defense allowed dating back to 1999.
1999: 272 points in 11 games (4-7 record) 24.7 per game
2000: 322 points in 12 games (9-3 record) 26.8 per
2001: 245 points in 12 games (7-5). 20.4 per
2002: 396 points in 14 games (7-7). 28.3 per
2003: 437 in 12 games (2-10). 36.4 per
2004: 259 in 12 games (7-5). 21.6 per
2005: 230 in 12 games (7-5). 19.2 per
2006: 369 in 12 games (4-8). 30.8 per
CHIZIK
2007: 381 in 12 games (3-9). 31.8 per
2008: 430 in 12 games (2-10). 35.8 per
Is that what defensive masterminds do?
Not only did Chizik have two of the worst three seasons in a decade, but he also guided two of the three worst defensive efforts over that span.
So who was running the defense (into the ground) there?
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There was no reply from the defense Saturday. The front is too small to bring pressure inside. Mallett looked like Greg McElroy against North Texas State. What is the answer?
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I generally favor torches and pitchforks, but that's just me.
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Okay, how about we DON'T ignore the five years before. Hell, let's extrapolate that bitch out for an entire decade.
Here's what ISU's defense allowed dating back to 1999.
1999: 272 points in 11 games (4-7 record) 24.7 per game
2000: 322 points in 12 games (9-3 record) 26.8 per
2001: 245 points in 12 games (7-5). 20.4 per
2002: 396 points in 14 games (7-7). 28.3 per
2003: 437 in 12 games (2-10). 36.4 per
2004: 259 in 12 games (7-5). 21.6 per
2005: 230 in 12 games (7-5). 19.2 per
2006: 369 in 12 games (4-8). 30.8 per
CHIZIK
2007: 381 in 12 games (3-9). 31.8 per
2008: 430 in 12 games (2-10). 35.8 per
Is that what defensive masterminds do?
Not only did Chizik have two of the worst three seasons in a decade, but he also guided two of the three worst defensive efforts over that span.
So who was running the defense (into the ground) there?
I meant Chizik's five previous years, Texas and Auburn. I don't care anything about a single stat of any kind that came from two years at Iowa State, I just don't. We just lost a road game, but he did win a road game at Tennessee, something that, based on his road losses at Iowa State, you thought would never happen. That same Tennessee team just destroyed Georgia. Georgia may not be that good, but I guarantee you if that Georgia game had happened before our game, you would have predicted a "death by Chizik" road loss, probably supporting it with the 0-for-career road record he had at ISU.
I also don't see the total disarray and panic and chaos you anticipated on our sidelines (based on what you saw on the ISU sideline).
Point is, I think the further things get along, the more we'll all realize that nothing of any worth can be gathered by what we saw at ISU.
And since you listed the numbers to review....how do you explain going from 36 points per game in 2003 to 21 points per in 2004? And how do you explain going from 19 per game in 2005 up to 31 per game in 2006? The fact that there are such wild swings from one year to the next, changing more than 10 points twice in a four year period, tells me that you can't take anything from any of these numbers. There's no pattern, there's no consistency. There's nothing from which to set a baseline for comparison.
It's well known that he played tons of red-shirt and true freshman, probably the same thing that happened in 2003. By 2005 these guys may have been decent juniors and seniors. Looks like everyone graduated and/or was injured for 2006 though, as the average shot up 11 points. I mean, what are we to take from these numbers? It's not like ISU consistently stayed in the 22-25 points range and then Chizik came in and the numbers ballooned uncharacteristically.
There is a lot of football to go. Acting like "see, he is the same ISU loser we feared" because of one bad loss is overreacting just as much as those who thought he was Vince Lombardi for going 5-0.
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I generally favor torches and pitchforks, but that's just me.
Have you priced pitchforks and torches lately? They aren't cheap my friend. I can't organize this little soiree all by myself. An undertaking like this will take days. What do you think? You think this is like the movies where everyone just willy nilly goes on one of these? Oh no, think again. There is transportation, refreshments, first aid, are we allowing pets etc...
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There is a lot of football to go. Acting like "see, he is the same ISU loser we feared" because of one bad loss is overreacting just as much as those who thought he was Vince Lombardi for going 5-0.
Haven't done either.
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Haven't done either.
New Braunfels is one of the most even minded guys I have ever encountered. He's even Stephen. :poke:
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Just watching some of the Jets and Miami. Any passing down for Miami, it's like a fucking jailbreak. No matter where Henne throws it, which HAS to be a short, quick pass, there's someone there to stuff his ass. I'm not saying blitz all the time. Just please change it up. Different looks. Stack the box. Blitz a corner...do something other than sit back in the same base package and hope something good happens.
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It's also nice to see "Brown and Williams" in the backfield causing havoc.
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Rex Ryan blitzes 64% of the time on passing downs.
What is our % 0.64 maybe?
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Rex Ryan blitzes 64% of the time on passing downs.
What is our % 0.64 maybe?
What are you trying to do, get our players hurt?
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What are you trying to do, get our players hurt?
^^^This^^^
I mean come on, some of our Cheerleaders haven't gotten Yoxercised enough yet to be able to prove the much needed help.
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What are you trying to do, get our players hurt?
I love the smell of mockage in the evening.
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I love the smell of mockage in the evening.
He was trying to say it was vanilla
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He was trying to say it was vanilla
There were several times it looked to be just "vanilla flavored."
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There are a few articles on the meeting between AC and Chizik, but they differ somewhat.
AC says:
We had a great talk about the defense and all the things that need to be corrected.
Chizik says:
Chizik said the talk was not about the direction of the defense, but rather about a wrist and knee injury that has hurt Coleman's play.
From AC's comments after the game, and after his above quote, I would think he wanted to talk about the direction of the defense.
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The thing about Chizik? He keeps his trap shut. He gets a lot shit cause he's not exactly a media darling, cause says the same generic shit to reporters over and over....but what he's really saying?
Is that it's too fucking bad. You're on a need to know basis....and you don't need to know.
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The thing about Chizik? He keeps his trap shut. He gets a lot shit cause he's not exactly a media darling, cause says the same generic shit to reporters over and over....but what he's really saying?
Is that it's too fucking bad. You're on a need to know basis....and you don't need to know.
:jaw:........... Marry me.
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:jaw:........... Marry me.
As long as you promise we can go scout Africa or maybe Jamaica to find the fastest kids out there and adopt them.
Then we send them to Auburn.
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As long as you promise we can go scout Africa or maybe Jamaica to find the fastest kids out there and adopt them.
Then we send them to Auburn.
I figured that was a given... You know where my heart is already.