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Title: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 09:44:04 AM
In the ongoing battle henceforth known as Auburn is not Iowa State. This thread is dedicated to keeping an eye on former AU DC Paul Rhodes and current HC Chizik's team the Cyclones.

They won over N. Dakota State

...you may now continue with your regularly scheduled threads....
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AWK on September 08, 2009, 09:45:16 AM
In the ongoing battle henceforth known as Auburn is not Iowa State. This thread is dedicated to keeping an eye on former AU DC Paul Rhodes and current HC Chizik's team the Cyclones.

They won

...you may now continue with your regularly scheduled threads....
I'm pretty sure they played USC and Ohio State at the same time, and beat them by 45.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 10:10:10 AM
In the ongoing battle henceforth known as Auburn is not Iowa State. This thread is dedicated to keeping an eye on former AU DC Paul Rhodes and current HC Chizik's team the Cyclones.

They won over N. Dakota State

...you may now continue with your regularly scheduled threads....
Impossible......nobody can win at ISU. At least not more than 5 games in two years, right?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 10:15:42 AM
Impossible......nobody can win at ISU. At least not more than 5 games in two years, right?
I am interested to see how they perform this year.  Do try to remember however, that much like playing an ACC team or La Tech, it was only North Dakota State.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 08, 2009, 10:18:40 AM
An Iowa State beat writer was on Finebaum several weeks ago and said he thought they would win at least 5 games this year.   
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 08, 2009, 10:18:53 AM
I am interested to see how they perform this year.  Do try to remember however, that much like playing an ACC team or La Tech, it was only North Dakota State.

Also try to remember that 10 of their starters this year are no longer true freshmen.  How well does AU or UA do starting 10 true freshmen?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: ssgaufan on September 08, 2009, 10:22:54 AM
Impossible......nobody can win at ISU. At least not more than 5 games in two years, right?

Yeah, well he's doing it with Chizik's players.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
I am interested to see how they perform this year.  Do try to remember however, that much like playing an ACC team or La Tech, it was only North Dakota State.
When ISU is used to losing to teams such as Kent State, UNLV, Toledo, etc, over the past few years, beating North Dakota State isn't so bad, relatively speaking. We'll see how they do against Iowa on Saturday.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: ssgaufan on September 08, 2009, 10:44:00 AM
When ISU is used to losing to teams such as Kent State, UNLV, Toledo, etc, over the past few years, beating North Dakota State isn't so bad, relatively speaking. We'll see how they do against Iowa on Saturday.

Didn't Iowa almost get upset by Northern Iowa? 
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 08, 2009, 10:48:28 AM
Didn't Iowa almost get upset by Northern Iowa? 

Yea.  Maybe not the best barometer.  Then again is any team in that state a barometer for anything?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUsweetheart on September 08, 2009, 10:56:41 AM
Yeah, well he's doing it with Chizik's players.

You took the words right out of my mouth....

Or maybe that only happens at lsu? ;)
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 11:02:50 AM
Didn't Iowa almost get upset by Northern Iowa? 
Pretty sure Northern Iowa is a perennial 10-12 win team. Also, according to Chopper, the players, coaching, support, tools, etc, are better at Northern Iowa and thats why coaches can win there and not ISU. So, I would think that Northern Iowa is a halfway decent team.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 08, 2009, 11:05:07 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth....

Or maybe that only happens at lsu? ;)

And maybe Ted Roof is a juggernaut. I mean, he does have Auburn pedigree.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 11:10:02 AM
Yeah, well he's doing it with Chizik's players.
Only 4 of the 22 starters were from Chizik's signing classes. Might want to re-think this statement.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 11:13:09 AM
Also try to remember that 10 of their starters this year are no longer true freshmen.  How well does AU or UA do starting 10 true freshmen?
That was Chizik's decision to play that many freshmen. Rhodes played 1 true freshman against ND State and only 4 players from Chizik's signing classes. He is using guys from before Chizik's tenure, the same guys that Chizik had at his disposal. That tells me somebody made some horrible personnel decisions. We'll see who that was over the next few weeks I suppose.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 08, 2009, 11:17:04 AM
That was Chizik's decision to play that many freshmen. Rhodes played 1 true freshman against ND State and only 4 players from Chizik's signing classes. He is using guys from before Chizik's tenure, the same guys that Chizik had at his disposal. That tells me somebody made some horrible personnel decisions. We'll see who that was over the next few weeks I suppose.

I actually count 5, but point taken. There will be some better comparisons as the weeks progress from both them and us.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 08, 2009, 11:18:26 AM
Whatever, douche.

The point being, you and the other tard's argument was that 5-19 at Iowa State means he's going to fall on his face in Auburn. He probably wouldn't luck into a single win all year. Because Iowa State played lesser competition, blah blah blah. Because lack of success at Iowa State is directly transferable to lack of success at Auburn.

When did Iowa State ever blow anyone out, much less a team that won their bowl game last year, in their season opener.

Chizik is undefeated so far. 100% winning percentage. And an impressive win, it was.

You're well on your way to that being exposed as a ridiculous argument.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 11:19:58 AM
I actually count 5, but point taken. There will be some better comparisons as the weeks progress from both them and us.
Sorry, must have missed one.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 08, 2009, 11:21:04 AM
Sorry, must have missed one.

I could stretch it counting deep snappers and the like.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 11:27:44 AM
Whatever, douche.
Facts are a bitch, aren't they? If Rhodes wins 5 games or more this season, what is the excuse going to be for why he can win with the same players Chizik couldn't?

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The point being, you and the other tard's argument was that 5-19 at Iowa State means he's going to fall on his face in Auburn. He probably wouldn't luck into a single win all year. Because Iowa State played lesser competition, blah blah blah. Because lack of success at Iowa State is directly transferable to lack of success at Auburn.
The matter is I believe 5-19 is really indicitave of his coaching there. As I said in another thread, you put Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Pete Carrol, etc up there, I bet they can manage better than 5 wins in two seasons even if they are getting the same caliber of talent as ISU is getting today. I think those four coaches were, for the most part, pretty hot and had good records transitioning from assistants to head coaches. I never said he probably wouldn't luck into a single win all year. Thats simply you dramatizing it.

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When did Iowa State ever blow anyone out, much less a team that won their bowl game last year, in their season opener.
No idea, and don't really care for that matter.

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Chizik is undefeated so far. 100% winning percentage. And an impressive win, it was.
Ok.

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You're well on your way to that being exposed as a ridiculous argument.
One win against an overmatched Louisiana Tech and I'm well on my way to my argument that he isn't that great of a head coach being exposed? Oooooook then. He certainly didn't fall flat on his face against them, but hell, you guys were ready for a MNC appearance after the ULM last season because everything looked so damn good. I'm certainly not holding ULM against Chizik and his staff, simply illustrating that shit can happen.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 08, 2009, 11:36:10 AM
Facts are a bitch, aren't they? If Rhodes wins 5 games or more this season, what is the excuse going to be for why he can win with the same players Chizik couldn't?
The matter is I believe 5-19 is really indicitave of his coaching there. As I said in another thread, you put Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Pete Carrol, etc up there, I bet they can manage better than 5 wins in two seasons even if they are getting the same caliber of talent as ISU is getting today. I think those four coaches were, for the most part, pretty hot and had good records transitioning from assistants to head coaches. I never said he probably wouldn't luck into a single win all year. Thats simply you dramatizing it.
No idea, and don't really care for that matter.
Ok.
One win against an overmatched Louisiana Tech and I'm well on my way to my argument that he isn't that great of a head coach being exposed? Oooooook then. He certainly didn't fall flat on his face against them, but hell, you guys were ready for a MNC appearance after the ULM last season because everything looked so damn good. I'm certainly not holding ULM against Chizik and his staff, simply illustrating that shit can happen.
Everything you just posted was complete and utter bullshit.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 11:40:33 AM
Everything you just posted was complete and utter bullshit.
At no point through out your ramblings did you represent anything even remotely representing fact. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 08, 2009, 11:43:03 AM
At no point through out your ramblings did you represent anything even remotely representing fact. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

What's a penguin doing here?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: weagle251 on September 08, 2009, 11:46:48 AM
He certainly didn't fall flat on his face against them, but hell, you guys were ready for a MNC appearance after the ULM last season because everything looked so damn good. I'm certainly not holding ULM against Chizik and his staff, simply illustrating that shit can happen.
I don't remember anyone talking about an MNC appearance after the LaMo game last year.  We punted on our first six possessions in that game, fer chrissakes.  There were some shots at bammers about beating a team they lost to in '07, sure, but MNC?  I don't think Chizad's the only one dramatizing in this thread.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 11:51:40 AM
I don't remember anyone talking about an MNC appearance after the LaMo game last year.  We punted on our first six possessions in that game, fer chrissakes.  There were some shots at bammers about beating a team they lost to in '07, sure, but MNC?  I don't think Chizad's the only one dramatizing in this thread.

What he said....

In fact, most of us were making excuses about the fact that we played so shitastically with thoughts of Franklin just doesn't want to show his hand, thats not the whole playbook, we were just playing a base offense.  Most of us though there might be issues from the get go we just wanted to wait 2 or 3 games to see if it was first game jitters or what.  Unfortunatly, it wasn't first game jitters we just sucked. I'm sure I could go back and look, I know for fact this is what I felt, your welcome to dig if your inclined to try and prove me wrong, I am sure you could find some opposite cases.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 08, 2009, 11:58:16 AM
Facts are a bitch, aren't they? If Rhodes wins 5 games or more this season, what is the excuse going to be for why he can win with the same players Chizik couldn't?
The matter is I believe 5-19 is really indicitave of his coaching there. As I said in another thread, you put Urban Meyer, Steve Spurrier, Nick Saban, Pete Carrol, etc up there, I bet they can manage better than 5 wins in two seasons even if they are getting the same caliber of talent as ISU is getting today. I think those four coaches were, for the most part, pretty hot and had good records transitioning from assistants to head coaches. I never said he probably wouldn't luck into a single win all year. Thats simply you dramatizing it.
No idea, and don't really care for that matter.
Ok.
One win against an overmatched Louisiana Tech and I'm well on my way to my argument that he isn't that great of a head coach being exposed? Oooooook then. He certainly didn't fall flat on his face against them, but hell, you guys were ready for a MNC appearance after the ULM last season because everything looked so damn good. I'm certainly not holding ULM against Chizik and his staff, simply illustrating that shit can happen.

I don't care if ISU wins 10 games. At this point...it doesn't matter. Chizik is the coach at Auburn now and because the season has started, we don't have to look at what he did at previous teams and situations to see how he is going to do...want to know why? CAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT THE FIELD ON SATURDAY AND NOT FUCKING SPECULATE ANYMORE! The ISU/Auburn comparison was fine before because there was nothing for Auburn fans to ljudge Chizik on other than ISU. Now that is not the case...so judging Chizik on ISU is fucking ridculous...
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 12:02:17 PM
I don't care if ISU wins 10 games. At this point...it doesn't matter. Chizik is the coach at Auburn now and because the season has started, we don't have to look at what he did at previous teams and situations to see how he is going to do...want to know why? CAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT THE FIELD ON SATURDAY AND NOT FUCKING SPECULATE ANYMORE! The ISU/Auburn comparison was fine before because there was nothing for Auburn fans to ljudge Chizik on other than ISU. Now that is not the case...so judging Chizik on ISU is fucking ridculous...
Actually, I very much agree with this. If he turns out to be good at AU, then lesson learned. But if he turns out to be shit tastic or mediocre, then the nobody wins at ISU argument would be a fail.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 12:02:29 PM
BTW the real point of this thread is just to keep an eye on how the Cyclones do.  Even if Paul Rhodes wins 10 games or 2 games this year IMO you still can't compare the two teams. A head coach is only as good as his assistants, and Chizik had different assistants at Iowa State as does Coach Rhodes. Players react differently, competition is different, towns are different, crowds are different.  a Tiger can not be compared to an Elephant, no matter how hard the elephant tries to make itself cooler.

Case in point...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jojNzvtP6LY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jojNzvtP6LY)
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 12:03:46 PM
I don't care if ISU wins 10 games. At this point...it doesn't matter. Chizik is the coach at Auburn now and because the season has started, we don't have to look at what he did at previous teams and situations to see how he is going to do...want to know why? CAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT THE FIELD ON SATURDAY AND NOT FUCKING SPECULATE ANYMORE! The ISU/Auburn comparison was fine before because there was nothing for Auburn fans to ljudge Chizik on other than ISU. Now that is not the case...so judging Chizik on ISU is fucking ridculous...
Damn you and your mad typing skillz!
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 08, 2009, 01:03:24 PM
Damn you and your mad typing skillz!

I take that as "good post"?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 01:06:47 PM
I take that as "good post"?
You should take that as saying the same thing as me only quicker (so naturally- good post).  Although mine was better and had video evidence.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 08, 2009, 01:32:37 PM
I don't care if ISU wins 10 games. At this point...it doesn't matter. Chizik is the coach at Auburn now and because the season has started, we don't have to look at what he did at previous teams and situations to see how he is going to do...want to know why? CAUSE WE CAN LOOK AT THE FIELD ON SATURDAY AND NOT FUCKING SPECULATE ANYMORE! The ISU/Auburn comparison was fine before because there was nothing for Auburn fans to ljudge Chizik on other than ISU. Now that is not the case...so judging Chizik on ISU is fucking ridculous...
Agree. Essentially this is what I was trying to articulate but couldn't.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 08, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
But if he turns out to be shit tastic or mediocre, then the nobody wins at ISU argument would be a fail.

This is a dumbshit statement.

If Chizik fails at Auburn, then Ames isn't a blackhole?

What the fuck are you trying to say, because you can't possibly be this stupid.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 02:32:50 PM
This is a dumbshit statement.

If Chizik fails at Auburn, then Ames isn't a blackhole?

What the fuck are you trying to say, because you can't possibly be this stupid.
Sorry, I was talking about the excuse as far as the argument that was made relating directly to Chizik. Didn't really word that correctly. I understand that ISU is pretty much a black hole. But if you get a good enough coach he can coach that up to something halfway decent. Other coaches proven that they couldn't coach it up. Some did. Relative to what ISU is capable of, anyways. I would say if Chizik was having some 6 or 7 win seasons up there, that would be pretty good in terms of ISU. Anyways, my statement was relative and I wasn't very clear on that.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 08, 2009, 02:36:24 PM
Sorry, I was talking about the excuse as far as the argument that was made relating directly to Chizik. Didn't really word that correctly. I understand that ISU is pretty much a black hole. But if you get a good enough coach he can coach that up to something halfway decent. Other coaches proven that they couldn't coach it up. Some did. Relative to what ISU is capable of, anyways. I would say if Chizik was having some 6 or 7 win seasons up there, that would be pretty good in terms of ISU. Anyways, my statement was relative and I wasn't very clear on that.

Fair enough. I still contend that a two year window is rarely enough time for a coach to put his stamp on the program. There was a slide happening in Ames when Chizik got there and it takes time to reverse a trend like that.

Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 08, 2009, 02:53:39 PM
I don't get the "what's the excuse if Rhodes wins with Chizik's players" thing.  If Rhodes wins more, Chizik was a failure?  If they're the same players, they're older, more experienced, mature.  Schedule is different.  Teams play differently.  How could this possibly matter when it comes to Chizik in the present, and still be a barometer of his success???  That was a stretch.  ...anyways.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 08, 2009, 02:56:28 PM
I don't get the "what's the excuse if Rhodes wins with Chizik's players" thing.  If Rhodes wins more, Chizik was a failure?  If they're the same players, they're older, more experienced, mature.  Schedule is different.  Teams play differently.  How could this possibly matter when it comes to Chizik in the present, and still be a barometer of his success???  That was a stretch.  ...anyways.
That is, if Chizik has similar results (say less than a 5 or 6 win season) at AU. But, the season has started. So, the comparisons won't be needed one way or another after a while.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 08, 2009, 03:13:53 PM
That is, if Chizik has similar results (say less than a 5 or 6 win season) at AU. But, the season has started. So, the comparisons won't be needed one way or another after a while.

One doesn't have anything to do with the other.  It won't be a valid comparison...EVER.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: weagle251 on September 08, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
So does this mean that if Rhodes only wins 2 or 3 games, we can't point to it and say, "SEE!  ISU is a black hole of suck!"
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 08, 2009, 03:21:42 PM
So does this mean that if Rhodes only wins 2 or 3 games, we can't point to it and say, "SEE!  ISU is a black hole of suck!"

Can't we do that anyway?

We already do it to teams that ARE in the SEC.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 08, 2009, 03:36:52 PM
One doesn't have anything to do with the other.  It won't be a valid comparison...EVER.
See below
BTW the real point of this thread is just to keep an eye on how the Cyclones do.  Even if Paul Rhodes wins 10 games or 2 games this year IMO you still can't compare the two teams. A head coach is only as good as his assistants, and Chizik had different assistants at Iowa State as does Coach Rhodes. Players react differently, competition is different, towns are different, crowds are different.  a Tiger can not be compared to an Elephant, no matter how hard the elephant tries to make itself cooler.

Case in point...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jojNzvtP6LY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jojNzvtP6LY)
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 08, 2009, 03:58:07 PM
See below

Well done sir.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on September 08, 2009, 06:20:19 PM
And yes, Northern Iowa is the second best team in the State of Iowa.  And, Iowa should've gotten beat by UNI (Iowa blocked two fieldgoals).  So, if ISU gets beat by Iowa, then that would mean that ISU is still the third best team in the State.  And, that it's still a black hole, such a black hole that Terry Price followed Coach Rhoads to ISU, but left as soon as Ole Miss (where he coached before he came over with CTT) came calling.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 12, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
ISU gets their doors blown off 35-3 (with 4 mins to go).

Sucking continues unabated in Ames.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on September 12, 2009, 03:21:43 PM
ISU gets their doors blown off 35-3 (with 4 mins to go).

Sucking continues unabated in Ames.
Impossible. With Chizik gone, the Cyclones were supposed to be BCS contenders.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 12, 2009, 05:54:17 PM
Rivalry game, and the endzone sections were a ghost town for most of the games.  Pathetic.   :eyeroll:
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: DnATL on September 12, 2009, 06:38:21 PM
Maybe everybody was out bringing in the harvest?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 14, 2009, 10:41:28 AM
Iowa State got taken behind the woodshed by Iowa

Score 35-3

Iowa State 1-1
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: ssgaufan on September 14, 2009, 11:50:02 AM
So, Iowa St really is the third best team in that state.  Sucks to be them.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Kaos on September 14, 2009, 11:55:39 AM
So, Iowa St really is the third best team in that state.  Sucks to be them.

Ok.  Now I'm confused.  When LSU wins it's because Miles is playing with Saban's players.  When Alabama wins its because Saban is a super duper coach, not because he's winning with Shula's players.  Chizik has no expectations because he's inheritied a bad situation because Tuberville didn't recruit any players for the last four decades and the only talent we have on the team is at the deep snapper position. But he left the team. Except somebody was put up on the jumbotron with "deep snapper" as their position, so it must be important and we have a player in that role at least.  Still, it's going to take Chizik four or five years or maybe a decade to overcome the awful job Tuberville did bringing in players. He only recruited one stars because he wanted to watch yoxercise in the mornings.  But then Rhoads at ISU is a horrible coach because they lost a game to their in-state rival (again).  It's not because Chizik left him shitty players or a program in disarray? 

Funny how all that works.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 14, 2009, 11:58:07 AM
Ok.  Now I'm confused.  When LSU wins it's because Miles is playing with Saban's players.  When Alabama wins its because Saban is a super duper coach, not because he's winning with Shula's players.  Chizik has no expectations because he's inheritied a bad situation because Tuberville didn't recruit any players for the last four decades and the only talent we have on the team is at the deep snapper position. But he left the team. Except somebody was put up on the jumbotron with "deep snapper" as their position, so it must be important and we have a player in that role at least.  Still, it's going to take Chizik four or five years or maybe a decade to overcome the awful job Tuberville did bringing in players. He only recruited one stars because he wanted to watch yoxercise in the mornings.  But then Rhoads at ISU is a horrible coach because they lost a game to their in-state rival (again).  It's not because Chizik left him shitty players or a program in disarray? 

Funny how all that works.

Tuberville=10 years at Auburn
Chizik=2 years at ISU


Nevermind...fuck it...
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Kaos on September 14, 2009, 12:17:26 PM

Tuberville=10 years at Auburn
Chizik=2 years at ISU


Nevermind...phuk it...


Perfect.  Because I would have obviously countered with the time Saban spent at LSU, etc. 

It's just a convenient blame/justification game. 

Don't like your head coach and he's winning?  He's only successful because the previous guy left a good set up. 

If he's losing and you like him? Can't blame him, he just has crappy players.  Will take time to develop. Get off his case you pretend fans!!! You don't love your team if you don't support this man 100%!!!  Until the losing continues to the point you can't handle it any more or he gets canned and then you knew all along he was a bum, was always a bum and you're glad he's gone.

Like your head guy?  He's getting the most out of the players.

Meh.  Who cares.  Somebody is always spinning. And/or rampaging like a dinosaur with a sugar imbalance. 


Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 14, 2009, 01:25:29 PM
Perfect.  Because I would have obviously countered with the time Saban spent at LSU, etc. 



The obvious counter there is the quality of the recruits that a program can pull.  Prior to Saban, LSU was still getting great athletes, they just weren't getting coached.  ISU gets shit for recruits...before, during and after Chizik's brief stop there.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 14, 2009, 01:38:36 PM
The obvious counter there is the quality of the recruits that a program can pull.  Prior to Saban, LSU was still getting great athletes, they just weren't getting coached. 
Great recruits compared to what Saban brought in, or what? I'm not so sure who all of these great guys that LSU was pulling down pre-Saban. I'm not saying that LSU never ever ever had anybody remotely talented pre-Saban, simply saying nobody really stands out to me from the late DiNardo years. For that matter, some really talented guys are just going to be good no matter how the coaching is. Take Rolando McClain and Donta Hightower, put them in a remotely decent scheme anywhere in the country, and they're going to be world beaters. Doesn't matter who their coach is. Take Julio Jones, AJ Greene, DeAndre Brown, put them near a football field, and they are going to be bad motherfuckers. Andre Smith was going to be a badass no matter where he was and who his coach was. I think you get the point.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on September 14, 2009, 01:44:17 PM
The obvious counter there is the quality of the recruits that a program can pull.  Prior to Saban, LSU was still getting great athletes, they just weren't getting coached.  ISU gets shit for recruits...before, during and after Chizik's brief stop there.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand, Wes.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: DnATL on September 14, 2009, 01:55:09 PM
Ok.  Now I'm confused.  When LSU wins it's because Miles is playing with Saban's players.  When Alabama wins its because Saban is a super duper coach, not because he's winning with Shula's players.

Don't you know?  They are all $aban's players.  He just lets some play for others.  He is a benevolent munchkin.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: GH2001 on September 14, 2009, 02:00:44 PM
Who gives a flying nun what Iowa St is doing. I care what Auburn is doing. Here is my ISU logic:

ISU sucked before Chizik.
ISU sucked with Chizik.
ISU sucks after Chizik.


ISU just sucks really.......no, really.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 14, 2009, 02:21:04 PM
Great recruits compared to what Saban brought in, or what? I'm not so sure who all of these great guys that LSU was pulling down pre-Saban. I'm not saying that LSU never ever ever had anybody remotely talented pre-Saban, simply saying nobody really stands out to me from the late DiNardo years. For that matter, some really talented guys are just going to be good no matter how the coaching is. Take Rolando McClain and Donta Hightower, put them in a remotely decent scheme anywhere in the country, and they're going to be world beaters. Doesn't matter who their coach is. Take Julio Jones, AJ Greene, DeAndre Brown, put them near a football field, and they are going to be bad motherfuckers. Andre Smith was going to be a badass no matter where he was and who his coach was. I think you get the point.

No, Saban certainly elevated the recruiting in Baton Rouge, but Louisiana has always been a pretty talent-rich state and most of that talent fell into Archer/DiNardo/random loser LSU coach's lap.  Therefore, the place was stocked with good players, Saban improved the roster, and Miles is reaping the rewards.

Chizik inherited a poor roster from McCarney, didn't elevate the talent level in his brief tenure (or walk on water, turn water to wine, or perform some other impossible feat), and ISU continues to suck under Rhoads.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 14, 2009, 03:22:36 PM
Saban improved the roster, and Miles is was reaping the rewards.
FTFY.

I know alot of people called bullshit, but Miles really did have it good with some Saban talent. There's no way that he goes 34-6 with CNS talent, and his first year with his own talent he goes 8-5 in a weaker-than-normal SEC, and its just a coincidence. Then, factor in they came pretty close against Washington and Vanderbilt, and look to repeat that 8-5 mark this season. Miles isn't long destined for Red Stick.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 14, 2009, 03:24:53 PM
FTFY.

I know alot of people called bullshit, but Miles really did have it good with some Saban talent. There's no way that he goes 34-6 with CNS talent, and his first year with his own talent he goes 8-5 in a weaker-than-normal SEC, and its just a coincidence. Then, factor in they came pretty close against Washington and Vanderbilt, and look to repeat that 8-5 mark this season. Miles isn't long destined for Red Stick.

He has been one of the luckiest phucks I have ever seen when it came to plays just working out.  Who replaces him?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 14, 2009, 03:26:13 PM
He has been one of the luckiest phucks I have ever seen when it came to plays just working out.  Who replaces him?
Tommy Tuberville. And this should terrify any Alabama or Auburn fan. That is, IF he doesn't get snatched up at the end of this season. If LSU has mediocre years in '09 and '10, Miles will be gone at the end of '10.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 14, 2009, 03:32:03 PM
Yet another example of Kaos taking both sides of the debate.

Had ISU been winning, it would be proof that you can win there and Chizik was just a complete failure.

Since they got their asses blown out, that's somehow Chizik's fault as well because he left the cupboard bare for Rhoads?

Give me a break. Two years at a cesspool. Yeah, he didn't leave him with a lot of talent. Because ISU has NEVER had any talent to speak of.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: GH2001 on September 14, 2009, 04:43:20 PM
Yet another example of Kaos taking both sides of the debate.

Had ISU been winning, it would be proof that you can win there and Chizik was just a complete failure.

Since they got their asses blown out, that's somehow Chizik's fault as well because he left the cupboard bare for Rhoads?

Give me a break. Two years at a cesspool. Yeah, he didn't leave him with a lot of talent. Because ISU has NEVER had any talent to speak of.

Insert here the cliche "but Dan McCarney was a winner" comment.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 20, 2009, 07:43:35 PM
ISU beat Kent State 34-14 at Kent State.

2-1
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 20, 2009, 07:48:20 PM
Fire Chizik
Hire Rhodes
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on September 20, 2009, 07:49:07 PM
Fire Chizik
Hire Rhodes
This

Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 20, 2009, 09:53:28 PM
Who is Rhodes?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: DnATL on September 20, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
Who is Rhodes?
The Colossus?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: War Eagle!!! on September 20, 2009, 10:32:21 PM
Who is Rhodes?

Rhoads?
Roads?
I don't know how to spell his fucking name...

I still spell TT Tubberville...
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 20, 2009, 10:43:21 PM
Rhoads?
Roads?
I don't know how to spell his fucking name...

I still spell TT Tubberville...

 I thought it was Dusty Rhodes.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 20, 2009, 10:46:03 PM
I thought it was Dusty Rhodes.

I thought it was Randy Rhodes?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUTiger1 on September 20, 2009, 10:47:22 PM
I thought it was Dusty Rhodes.

Holy shit!  The American Dream is a corch?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Kaos on September 21, 2009, 01:16:39 AM
Yet another example of Kaos taking both sides of the debate.

Had ISU been winning, it would be proof that you can win there and Chizik was just a complete failure.

Since they got their asses blown out, that's somehow Chizik's fault as well because he left the cupboard bare for Rhoads?

Give me a break. Two years at a cesspool. Yeah, he didn't leave him with a lot of talent. Because ISU has NEVER had any talent to speak of.

Yet another example of you failing to realize that all I do is take your own arguments and shove them back up your ass sideways. 
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AWK on September 21, 2009, 12:12:34 PM
Yet another example of you failing to realize that all I do is take your own arguments and shove them back up your ass sideways. 
Seriously... so when they lose next week?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Kaos on September 21, 2009, 12:47:24 PM
Seriously... so when they lose next week?


I will show you again that you attempt to have it both ways.  Your arguments contradict each other. 
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: lifesapplepie on September 21, 2009, 01:01:26 PM
I thought it was Dusty Rhodes.

No, that is Dusty Bottoms!!
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Godfather on September 21, 2009, 01:10:05 PM
No, that is Dusty Bottoms!!
rrrrrrrrraped de horses!
And we...
Rode off on de wimmin!
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Jumbo on September 21, 2009, 03:16:53 PM
People Stampeded and Cattle Raped.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 21, 2009, 03:21:11 PM
In-famous is when you're more than famous.  This man, El Guapo, he's not just famous...he's in-famous.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on September 21, 2009, 03:42:54 PM
People Stampeded and Cattle Raped.
Stampeded?  The women too?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Jumbo on September 21, 2009, 06:12:39 PM
Stampeded?  The women too?
Naw we worked up a number 6 on em'
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on September 21, 2009, 07:02:12 PM
Naw we worked up a number 6 on em'
a number 6? What's a number 6?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: lifesapplepie on September 22, 2009, 10:00:49 AM
a number 6? What's a number 6?

...Whats i doin' here?
I think its a mail plane.
Umph, how can you tell?
didn't you notice its little balls.

 :rimshot:
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on September 22, 2009, 10:16:41 AM
a number 6? What's a number 6?

We come into town a wompin' and a stompin'.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 22, 2009, 10:17:33 AM
We come into town a wompin' and a stompin'.

I thought it was code for some sort of sexual activity.

Taylor's friends don't like to say "handjob" apparently.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 22, 2009, 10:19:21 AM
I thought it was code for some sort of sexual activity.

Taylor's friends don't like to say "handjob" apparently.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nah dude, you forgot what a number 6 is.

Handjob is way more intimate than a number 6.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AUChizad on September 22, 2009, 10:20:21 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nah dude, you forgot what a number 6 is.

Handjob is way more intimate than a number 6.
By the way, lifesapple pie's girlfriend is the one that let the cat out of the bag, about the other girl and her number 6 adventures.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: wesfau2 on September 22, 2009, 10:27:02 AM
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Nah dude, you forgot what a number 6 is.

Handjob is way more intimate than a number 6.

Yeah, I've forgotten all of the stupid numbering system.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: jadennis on September 22, 2009, 10:50:17 AM
Fire Chizik
Hire Rhodes

"Rhoads? Where we're going we don't need Rhoads"

- Doc Brown
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: AuburnChopper 3.0 on October 04, 2009, 11:32:29 AM
ISU now 3-2 after missing an extra point at the end of the game to TIE against KSU....

:doh:
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Jumbo on October 05, 2009, 05:26:08 AM
We come into town a wompin' and a stompin'.
Every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Saniflush on October 05, 2009, 07:34:03 AM
Every livin' thing that moves within an inch of its life. Except the women folks, of course.


You spare the women?
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on October 05, 2009, 06:03:48 PM
You spare the women?
Naw, we rape the shit out of them at the Number Six Dance later on.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on October 10, 2009, 03:09:43 PM
ISU is not going away against #16 Kansas, ISU 30 KS 27 entering the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 10, 2009, 03:32:27 PM
Nice try, shit ass. Kansas pulling away now 41-20.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on October 18, 2009, 11:20:14 AM
ISU beat Baylor 24-10 yesterday. In 2008, ISU lost to Baylor by 28 points. ISU is now 4-3, which is one win away from Chizik's 5 win total over two years, and one win away from Chizik's win total at AU. I pegged ISU to win at least 5-6 games this season, and it looks like it will happen.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: War Eagle!!! on October 18, 2009, 11:40:21 AM
ISU beat Baylor 24-10 yesterday. In 2008, ISU lost to Baylor by 28 points. ISU is now 4-3, which is one win away from Chizik's 5 win total over two years, and one win away from Chizik's win total at AU. I pegged ISU to win at least 5-6 games this season, and it looks like it will happen.

What do you think this means? I am honestly asking...
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on October 18, 2009, 11:51:49 AM
What do you think this means? I am honestly asking...
Actually, a few things came to mind.

1) ISU is obviously improved under Paul Rhodes. And, for that matter, he's doing it mostly with players that were at Chizik's disposal as well. Players that were there before Chizik. I think he is only using 4-5 players that were exclusively Chizik guys.

2) It is possible for a first year coach to win more than 2-3 games in a season at ISU.

3) I think AU jumped the gun getting rid of CTT. I think somebody's trigger finger was a little itchy to get him out of there. One bad season and getting mauled by Alabama, and he's out. After 6 years of owning our asses, first year he loses he is out. I still think that is damn near the dumbest move AU has made in a long time.

4) What exactly has AU gained by losing CTT? I'm sure he could have managed at least a 5-2 record. I really don't see him losing last night, but then again, I really didn't see him going 5-7 at the beginning of the '08 season either, so who knows.  

Honestly, when AU went 5-0, I was kinda on board. Even though AU had been helped along by a team or two en route to their 5-0 start, I was still fairly impressed and thought the West would be decided in the Iron Bowl. Especially with how LSU was playing. I had even spotted Prowler 2 games in my sig and admitted defeat there. Not too often you will see me concede something. I thought maybe I was wrong in my pre-season assesment of AU's offense. Maybe not so much now....
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 18, 2009, 11:53:12 AM
ISU beat Baylor 24-10 yesterday. In 2008, ISU lost to Baylor by 28 points. ISU is now 4-3, which is one win away from Chizik's 5 win total over two years, and one win away from Chizik's win total at AU. I pegged ISU to win at least 5-6 games this season, and it looks like it will happen.
You should take Herbstreit's place on gameday. You're a smart motherfucker.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on October 24, 2009, 05:23:21 PM
ISU defeated Nebraska today 9-3. Today marks the first time since 1977 that ISU beat Nebraska in Lincoln. ISU is now 5-3. First year coach Paul Rhoades has now tied Chizik's two year win total in only one year. ISU is now second in the Big 12 North.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Argo on October 24, 2009, 09:06:26 PM
ISU defeated Nebraska today 9-3. Today marks the first time since 1977 that ISU beat Nebraska in Lincoln. ISU is now 5-3. First year coach Paul Rhoades has now tied Chizik's two year win total in only one year. ISU is now second in the Big 12 North.

Yeah, but he's doing it with Chizik's bluechips. 
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 24, 2009, 09:38:49 PM
Nebraska had 8 turnovers. That will generally get a team beat.

Fucktards.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Argo on October 24, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
Nebraska had 8 turnovers. That will generally get a team beat.

Fucktards.

So you're saying that Chizik's bluechips forced 8 turnovers.  That man can recruit.   
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Kaos on October 24, 2009, 11:07:00 PM
Nebraska had 8 turnovers. That will generally get a team beat.

phuktards.

West Virginia says fuck you.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on October 25, 2009, 09:21:01 AM
Nebraska had 8 turnovers. That will generally get a team beat.

Fucktards.
Oh, but not when you fuckers beat WVU. It took all kinds of skill to force those turnovers. AU obviously forced some of those turnovers. WVU didn't hand AU the game. etc, etc, etc.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 25, 2009, 10:35:16 AM
Oh, but not when you fuckers beat WVU. It took all kinds of skill to force those turnovers. AU obviously forced some of those turnovers. WVU didn't hand AU the game. etc, etc, etc.
Show me where I said that, grocery sacker. I made a point. It's valid.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Greaseyweasel on October 25, 2009, 11:19:15 AM
I don't believe that you did say that.
But I did, counselor I would like to draw your attention to the "Runaway Train" thread presented here and dated 18 Oct, 2009. Please draw your attention to the last posting at the bottom of page 5.  http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=6945.msg90457#msg90457 (http://www.tigersx.com/forum/index.php?topic=6945.msg90457#msg90457)  I suggest gentlemen that we put this matter to rest as this was pointed out weeks ago.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Greaseyweasel on October 25, 2009, 11:20:53 AM
And the Wednesday posting only has been suspended due to the fact that I believe some of you are starting to see things in a pro-Auburn way finally.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on November 01, 2009, 01:45:48 PM
aTm 35
ISU 10
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on November 01, 2009, 02:11:36 PM
And the Wednesday posting only has been suspended due to the fact that I believe some of you are starting to see things in a pro-Auburn way finally.
LMAO
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on November 07, 2009, 07:20:28 PM
Okie State 34
ISU 8
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on November 07, 2009, 07:24:06 PM
Okie State 34
ISU 8
Still an ass whoopin, but alot better than a 42 point ass whoopin last season....
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Pell City Tiger on November 07, 2009, 08:19:29 PM
Moral victories = loss
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on November 08, 2009, 12:00:46 PM
And the Wednesday posting only has been suspended due to the fact that I believe some of you are starting to see things in a pro-Auburn way finally.
Again....LMAO
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on November 14, 2009, 05:46:46 PM
ISU beat Colorado 17-10 today, for a record of 6-5. The Cyclones haven't had a 6+ win season since 2005.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: Argo on November 14, 2009, 06:10:17 PM
I figured this thread out. 

ISU wins, RWS drags it back to the top.  ISU loses, PCT drags it to the top.
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: RWS on November 14, 2009, 06:12:43 PM
I figured this thread out. 

ISU wins, RWS drags it back to the top.  ISU loses, PCT drags it to the top.
+1
Title: Re: Cyclone Watch
Post by: The Prowler on November 14, 2009, 06:44:01 PM
I figured this thread out.  

ISU wins or doesn't get slaughtered nearly as bad as they have in previous years, RWS drags it back to the top for the moral victories that bammers like him are the King of.  ISU loses, PCT drags it back to the top
Fixed that for ya