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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Birmingham on August 30, 2009, 09:14:12 AM
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http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/nick_saban_agrees_to_threeyear.html (http://blog.al.com/bamabeat/2009/08/nick_saban_agrees_to_threeyear.html)
Alabama coach Nick Saban has signed a three-year extension, taking his original contract through the 2017 season, the school announced today.
Talks began earlier this summer and were expected to be finalized in time for the 2009 season opener.
"Terry and I are pleased and happy that the University of Alabama has offered us an extension to our original contract," Saban said in a statement. "Our acceptance of the extension expresses our commitment to the University of Alabama for the rest of our coaching career. Dr. Witt and the University community have been tremendous in terms of their cooperation in rebuilding the football program. The outstanding support from Mal (Moore) and the athletic department have set the table for us to be successful. We greatly appreciate the time, effort and dedication of everyone involved with our football program, as well as all of the positive energy our fans have demonstrated since we've been in Tuscaloosa."
Contract details still have to be rubber-stamped by UA System Board of Trustees before going into effect. No reference to salary increase figures beyond the existing contract structure was made in UA's announcement, though that shouldn't be taken as a sign that no raise was involved.
Per terms of the original deal, Saban's salary is set to increase each year during the next four years. He made $3,750,000 during the 2008 season, with incentives pushing the total past $4 million. He is scheduled to earn $3.9 million this season, $4.1 million in 2010, $4.15 million the following year and $4.2 million in 2012, 2013 and 2014.
"Coach Saban has impressively led the Alabama football program back to national prominence in a short period of time," UA athletics director Mal Moore said. "That success has been evident in all facets - on-field results, his embrace of Alabama's athletics and academic culture, recruiting, and community service. In every way, Coach Saban has positioned our program among college football's elite."
"This contract extension is a clear statement of our mutual commitment to building on the foundation he has established."
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Houston Nutt was signed on with us till 2012. Just saying.
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I know. An extention isn't in anyway binding. With that said, it sounds like Nick and Terry are happy in Tuscaloosa and it looks like at worst he will be here longer than any of our rivals expected (3-4 years).
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Definitely. Statements like that are carved in stone.
Signed,
Bobby Petrino
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Does he still not have a buy out?
If that hasn't changed then all this does is spread uat's cheeks further apart than they already were.
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From what I've been hearing lately, this probably means Saban is a dead man walking. Lame duck. History.
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From what I've been hearing lately, this probably means Saban is a dead man walking. Lame duck. History.
Care to explain or am I to assume that everything Kaos says about your intelligence is true?
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Care to explain or am I to assume that everything Kaos says about your intelligence is true?
Forgot the sarcasm stamp. Chizik was offered a two year extension as he left ISU...even though his "blueprint" sucked balls and he was running the program into the ground.
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Forgot the sarcasm stamp. Chizik was offered a two year extension as he left ISU...even though his "blueprint" sucked balls and he was running the program into the ground.
You don't know whatcha talkin' 'bout.
Signed,
Coach Sheila
Coach Dumbose
Coach Tuberville
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You don't know whatcha talkin' 'bout.
Signed,
Coach Sheila
Coach Dumbose
Coach Tuberville
Difference with Coach Saban and those on your list is Saban doesn't suck. We actually want him here.
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Does he still not have a buy out?
If that hasn't changed then all this does is spread uat's cheeks further apart than they already were.
How do you figure that? He leaves for another job, he gets nothing else from his contract. He retires before the contract is up, he gets nothing else from the contract. If we fired him for an NCAA infraction, he gets nothing. The only way he gets something out of his contract is if we fire him without cause. I really don't see that happening anytime soon. How exactly do you figure thats spreading our cheeks further apart? Or are you just going off of the typical uneducated statement that "he gets his whole contract no matter what"? That is certainly not the case. Please explain how we're fucking ourselves. I would love to hear it. He doesn't have a buyout, but if he left for another job he doesn't get shit anyway. What does it matter?
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Does he still not have a buy out?
If that hasn't changed then all this does is spread uat's cheeks further apart than they already were.
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Does he still not have a buy out?
If that hasn't changed then all this does is spread uat's cheeks further apart than they already were.
Answered in the last sentence of my post. Again, he doesn't have a buyout, and he doesn't get shit if he leaves for another job. I don't see how thats spreading our cheeks. We're paying good money for a good coach. As long as we don't fire him for no reason, he's not going to get something for nothing should he leave. Please explain to me how we're fucking ourselves on this.
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Wow, I did not know that.....
And b'ham, y'all wanted Coach Sheila there....remember, "bammer's back".
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Forgot the sarcasm stamp. Chizik was offered a two year extension as he left ISU...even though his "blueprint" sucked balls and he was running the program into the ground.
Spin, spin, spin, spin...
:taunt:
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How do you figure that? He leaves for another job, he gets nothing else from his contract. He retires before the contract is up, he gets nothing else from the contract. If we fired him for an NCAA infraction, he gets nothing. The only way he gets something out of his contract is if we fire him without cause. I really don't see that happening anytime soon. How exactly do you figure thats spreading our cheeks further apart? Or are you just going off of the typical uneducated statement that "he gets his whole contract no matter what"? That is certainly not the case. Please explain how we're phuking ourselves. I would love to hear it. He doesn't have a buyout, but if he left for another job he doesn't get poop anyway. What does it matter?
Is his contract not guaranteed?
Please show me the language where it says if he leaves for another job he gets diddly. That wasn't the way I heard it.
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Is his contract not guaranteed?
Please show me the language where it says if he leaves for another job he gets diddly. That wasn't the way I heard it.
Let me try and dig up the PDF of the contract, but that is seriously how it reads. His contract is guaranteed if he is fired for no reason in the contract, such as subpar season, etc. If he breaks an NCAA rule, then that is cause and he gets nothing.
http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/resources/saban-contract.pdf (http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/resources/saban-contract.pdf)
Check the end of page 27, onto the beginning of 28. It pretty much explains how if he terminates without cause, he doesn't get anything. If you want to see all the different things that define "cause" for both parties, you can read the pages above page 24. Page 25 explains how Saban would be paid an amount equal to his base salary and talent fees for the remainder of the contract, if he is terminated with no cause. That should clear things up for everybody.
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Spin, spin, spin, spin...
:taunt:
Nice.
What is spin? Him being offered a two year extension? Or, the part where his blueprint sucked balls? ...or is it spin only because in your opinion only, the only reason he was getting that extension was because he was on his way out the door and it was done for appearance of stability where there was none? Which was where my sarcasm came in on the Saban extension...
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Nice.
What is spin? Him being offered a two year extension? Or, the part where his blueprint sucked balls? ...or is it spin only because in your opinion only, the only reason he was getting that extension was because he was on his way out the door and it was done for appearance of stability where there was none? Which was where my sarcasm came in on the Saban extension...
It's your childish little way of trying to call somebody out so that when you get blasted, you can throw yourself on the cross and claim to be a martyr.
Done with you, Chop. You can play your games with somebody else. I'm tired of toying with you.
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Are you really that obtuse? :blink:
It's not that if he leaves, he gets diddly. It's that if he leaves you for another school, he pays no penalty and neither does the school hiring him. The intent of a buyout is to make it less attractive for a coach to consider a job at another school. If Meechigan State has to pay bammer $5M to "steal" Saban, they may consider someone else instead. It is a punitive measure, bonehead. If he leaves, it will be because someone else ponied up more money than bammer and he could give a shit about whatever he might be leaving on the table in Tuscaloser. It is all about the benjamins, not about whose logo is stamped on the check.
So in other words, when he gets tired of putting up with y'all's inbred shit, he can leave without so much as a kiss and a wave good bye, the next school in line can throw all of its money at his salary without worrying about a buyout payment, and you guys are left holding the bag again...
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It's your childish little way of trying to call somebody out so that when you get blasted, you can throw yourself on the cross and claim to be a martyr.
Done with you, Chop. You can play your games with somebody else. I'm tired of toying with you.
So in other words. You've got nothing. All I did was ask a question. You were the one with the snide little "spin spin spin" bs, and followed it up with the "taunt" emoticon. So, I'm sorry I offended you. Where did you "blast" me on this? Where am I claiming victory? Do I, or did I get a title belt?
Done with ME??? You're the one that brings me up in thread after thread after thread lately Kaos. Chopper this. Chopper that. Chopper and Prowler. Chopper/ Prowler and Chizad. Chop Chop Chop....
Get over yourself dude. Martyr my happy ass.
Are you really that obtuse? :blink:
It's not that if he leaves, he gets diddly. It's that if he leaves you for another school, he pays no penalty and neither does the school hiring him. The intent of a buyout is to make it less attractive for a coach to consider a job at another school. If Meechigan State has to pay bammer $5M to "steal" Saban, they may consider someone else instead. It is a punitive measure, bonehead. If he leaves, it will be because someone else ponied up more money than bammer and he could give a shit about whatever he might be leaving on the table in Tuscaloser. It is all about the benjamins, not about whose logo is stamped on the check.
So in other words, when he gets tired of putting up with y'all's inbred shit, he can leave without so much as a kiss and a wave good bye, the next school in line can throw all of its money at his salary without worrying about a buyout payment, and you guys are left holding the bag again...
DING DING DING!!!!
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Are you really that obtuse? :blink:
It's not that if he leaves, he gets diddly. It's that if he leaves you for another school, he pays no penalty and neither does the school hiring him. The intent of a buyout is to make it less attractive for a coach to consider a job at another school. If Meechigan State has to pay bammer $5M to "steal" Saban, they may consider someone else instead. It is a punitive measure, bonehead. If he leaves, it will be because someone else ponied up more money than bammer and he could give a poop about whatever he might be leaving on the table in Tuscaloser. It is all about the benjamins, not about whose logo is stamped on the check.
So in other words, when he gets tired of putting up with y'all's inbred poop, he can leave without so much as a kiss and a wave good bye, the next school in line can throw all of its money at his salary without worrying about a buyout payment, and you guys are left holding the bag again...
Thank you for saying what I was unable to adequately articulate.
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Are you really that obtuse? :blink:
It's not that if he leaves, he gets diddly. It's that if he leaves you for another school, he pays no penalty and neither does the school hiring him. The intent of a buyout is to make it less attractive for a coach to consider a job at another school. If Meechigan State has to pay bammer $5M to "steal" Saban, they may consider someone else instead. It is a punitive measure, bonehead. If he leaves, it will be because someone else ponied up more money than bammer and he could give a shit about whatever he might be leaving on the table in Tuscaloser. It is all about the benjamins, not about whose logo is stamped on the check.
So in other words, when he gets tired of putting up with y'all's inbred shit, he can leave without so much as a kiss and a wave good bye, the next school in line can throw all of its money at his salary without worrying about a buyout payment, and you guys are left holding the bag again...
Soooo, if he leaves for another school, we will have to get a new coach. Thats all we're out. Again, we're not really "spreading our ass cheeks" here as Chizad would suggest. We're not going to owe him anything if he leaves on his own. I'm not so much worried about a buyout, because I really do believe that this is his last stop. But if he does choose to coach somewhere else before his contract is up, then holy fuck, we will hire a new coach. Not that big of an issue. I would guess the program would be in way better shape than it was when it was handed over to him. I would guess the table would be set for a few years as well. Its not like he was going to coach at Alabama forever or something. I can promise you, the football program will not be cancelled should Nick Saban leave Alabama.
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Thank you for saying what I was unable to adequately articulate.
That's a first...
I mean...as far as an admission...
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Soooo, if he leaves for another school, we will have to get a new coach. Thats all we're out. Again, we're not really "spreading our ass cheeks" here as Chizad would suggest. We're not going to owe him anything if he leaves on his own. I'm not so much worried about a buyout, because I really do believe that this is his last stop. But if he does choose to coach somewhere else before his contract is up, then holy fuck, we will hire a new coach. Not that big of an issue. I would guess the program would be in way better shape than it was when it was handed over to him. I would guess the table would be set for a few years as well. Its not like he was going to coach at Alabama forever or something. I can promise you, the football program will not be cancelled should Nick Saban leave Alabama.
First, just wanted to point out that your post in which someone (you) finally answered my question came through after I started the post where I asked it again.
Secondly, uat's contract with Saban is the most sad and pathetic one-sided contract in the history of college football. Look it up.
As Wench said, he could give a fuck less if he gets more money out of uat when he leaves them for greener pastures. That $5 mil that Notre Dame or Michigan or who the fuck ever would usually have to pay their current employer for a buyout payment, will instead be able to include that as a more enticing first year salary. Or a signing bonus, for that matter.
Even more pathetic is that if he starts going losing to LaMonroes and 5 other teams every year (as he's proven he's quite capable of), you have to pay him out the ass to get rid of him. That's money that could be lining your next savior's pocket.
If you don't think you're getting fucked there, then we need to be making some financial arrangements between the two of us. In the market to buy some land? I got a quarter of my backyard I'm practically giving away for $20 million.
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First, just wanted to point out that your post in which someone (you) finally answered my question came through after I started the post where I asked it again.
Secondly, uat's contract with Saban is the most sad and pathetic one-sided contract in the history of college football. Look it up.
As Wench said, he could give a fuck less if he gets more money out of uat when he leaves them for greener pastures. That $5 mil that Notre Dame or Michigan or who the fuck ever would usually have to pay their current employer for a buyout payment, will instead be able to include that as a more enticing first year salary. Or a signing bonus, for that matter.
Even more pathetic is that if he starts going losing to LaMonroes and 5 other teams every year (as he's proven he's quite capable of), you have to pay him out the ass to get rid of him. That's money that could be lining your next savior's pocket.
If you don't think you're getting fucked there, then we need to be making some financial arrangements between the two of us. In the market to buy some land? I got a quarter of my backyard I'm practically giving away for $20 million.
Thanks for being SO damned concerned about the University of Alabama. Glad to know that as an AU fan, you are still concerned for the university's fiscal well being. I answered your question in my original reply. I'm sorry you didn't read through the whole post. And also, I posted the link to Saban's contract. Pretty sure I've read it once or twice. Again, if he leaves for another school, SO FUCKING WHAT. By the way you put it, we should be glad to be rid of him, according to your predictions. In one sentence, you talk about him losing to ULM and five other teams a year, but the next you talk about how we could lose him so easily. Which one is it? Is he so shitty that we will be glad to get rid of him, or is he so good, we're going to regret letting him go to another school so easily?
We're paying good money for a good coach. If he chooses to no longer be our coach, which he will one day, who gives a shit? Its just a matter of time. Whether its in 2 years or 10, one day, he will not be Alabama's coach anymore. Most AU fans were saying he would be gone in 3-4 years anyway. I expected 6 years, at the very most. Alabama football will not cease to exist when Nick Saban leaves. But hey, thanks for looking out for our well being.
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RWS,
If Saban is doing very well, and another large school wants him, don't you think by Alabama NOT putting a buyout makes Saban a lot more attractive and attainable? Bama should have at least put themselves in a position to get SOMETHING if they get screwed from behind by some other school. As it sits now, Bama gets nothing but a new coachings search, and he could do it at ANY time.
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RWS,
If Saban is doing very well, and another large school wants him, don't you think by Alabama NOT putting a buyout makes Saban a lot more attractive and attainable? Bama should have at least put themselves in a position to get SOMETHING if they get screwed from behind by some other school. As it sits now, Bama gets nothing but a new coachings search, and he could do it at ANY time.
Yes, it does make it a lot more attractive and makes him more attainable. I don't see it as getting screwed from behind by another school, really. Its business. If another school wants him, and he wants to go, then so be it. I don't see why, as Alabama fans, that should bother us. I expect a coach to go where he thinks is best for him and his family. If he thinks whatever school is better for him and his family, whether it is because of money or whatever, then let him go. I really do think this is his last stop, though. If not? Well, best wishes when he leaves.
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Yes, it does make it a lot more attractive and makes him more attainable. I don't see it as getting screwed from behind by another school, really. Its business.
Yes. It's a business, and as a huge attribute to Bama's business you'd think they'd put a mechanism in place to make it more difficult to be swept out from under them. Bama has done themselves ZERO favors here, and offering him an extension while still not solving this, leaves them exposed.
If another school wants him, and he wants to go, then so be it. I don't see why, as Alabama fans, that should bother us. I expect a coach to go where he thinks is best for him and his family. If he thinks whatever school is better for him and his family, whether it is because of money or whatever, then let him go. I really do think this is his last stop, though. If not? Well, best wishes when he leaves.
This sounds really nice, but if you're being 100% sincere here (which you may be), you constitute an extremely small fraction of your fan base.
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I answered your question in my original reply. I'm sorry you didn't read through the whole post.
Tard.
Less than one minute apart. That was your original reply. I was responding from my phone. You answered simultaneous of when I asked again.
And also, I posted the link to Saban's contract. Pretty sure I've read it once or twice. Again, if he leaves for another school, SO FUCKING WHAT. By the way you put it, we should be glad to be rid of him, according to your predictions. In one sentence, you talk about him losing to ULM and five other teams a year, but the next you talk about how we could lose him so easily. Which one is it? Is he so shitty that we will be glad to get rid of him, or is he so good, we're going to regret letting him go to another school so easily?
You're fucked either way. Saban comes out smelling like a rose either way. My prediction? He'll perennially get 7-8 wins a season, which will cause some bricks to fly in two years or less.
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Tard.
Less than one minute apart. That was your original reply. I was responding from my phone. You answered simultaneous of when I asked again.
You're fucked either way. Saban comes out smelling like a rose either way. My prediction? He'll perennially get 7-8 wins a season, which will cause some bricks to fly in two years or less.
The very first post I made in this thread, if you read the last sentence, reads:
He doesn't have a buyout, but if he left for another job he doesn't get shit anyway. What does it matter?
Then your next post, you quoted yourself, presumably re-asking the question. There was nothing else in that post, so this is what I assume. Then I told you that I had already answered that question. Go back to page 1 to see. I don't know if your phone fucked up or what, but I answered your question twice.
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Yes. It's a business, and as a huge attribute to Bama's business you'd think they'd put a mechanism in place to make it more difficult to be swept out from under them. Bama has done themselves ZERO favors here, and offering him an extension while still not solving this, leaves them exposed.
This sounds really nice, but if you're being 100% sincere here (which you may be), you constitute an extremely small fraction of your fan base.
I've told you people a million times, and feel free to hold me to it when it happens. I'm not going to go suicidal when Nick Saban leaves Alabama. If we're doing well, is it going to suck? Hell yes. Is it the end of the world? No. He was going to leave eventually, so why get all fucking crazy when....*gasp*....it actually happens? Coaches come and go. That is the nature of their business. Coaches aren't "Auburn Man", "Florida Man", "Alabama Man", etc anymore. College football is business, and more fans need to realize that, imo.
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The very first post I made in this thread, if you read the last sentence, reads:
Then your next post, you quoted yourself, presumably re-asking the question. There was nothing else in that post, so this is what I assume. Then I told you that I had already answered that question. Go back to page 1 to see. I don't know if your phone fucked up or what, but I answered your question twice.
Yes. You answered it 57 seconds earlier than I re-asked it. Just like I've said from the beginning. In that 57 seconds I was in the process of posting the question again. It has nothing to do with me deliberately ignoring your post. I read it. AFTER I finished posting the question again.
Why is this hard to understand?
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Soooo, if he leaves for another school, we will have to get a new coach. Thats all we're out. Again, we're not really "spreading our ass cheeks" here as Chizad would suggest. We're not going to owe him anything if he leaves on his own. I'm not so much worried about a buyout, because I really do believe that this is his last stop. But if he does choose to coach somewhere else before his contract is up, then holy phuk, we will hire a new coach. Not that big of an issue. I would guess the program would be in way better shape than it was when it was handed over to him. I would guess the table would be set for a few years as well. Its not like he was going to coach at Alabama forever or something. I can promise you, the football program will not be cancelled should Nick Saban leave Alabama.
:rofl:
Please. Look up the term "mercenary." You'll learn a lot.
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Coaches aren't "Auburn Man", "Florida Man", "Alabama Man", etc anymore.
Gene Chizik says you are full of it buster. He's "home." He's an Auburn man to the core..
Wait... what? Nevermind.
Uhhh, does anybody know the number to the suicide hotline?
Two people who DO say you're full of turds? Pat Dye and Gene Stallings. And Bobby Bowden.
Wait....what again?
Forget it.
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Two people who DO say you're full of turds? Pat Dye and Gene Stallings. And Bobby Bowden.
Wait....what again?
Forget it.
Read: anymore. I don't think coaches are like that anymore. It has become so much about business nowadays, instead of loyalty, etc, that you're not really going to find coaches like Dye or Stallings anymore.
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Read: anymore. I don't think coaches are like that anymore. It has become so much about business nowadays, instead of loyalty, etc, that you're not really going to find coaches like Dye or Stallings anymore.
I guess you missed my point with the "forget it" line. That's what I was attempting to say in a humorous way.
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I guess you missed my point with the "forget it" line. That's what I was attempting to say in a humorous way.
If you have to explain it...
1. Its not funny.
2. The other guy is a tard.
Personally I like to go with number 2
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I guess you missed my point with the "forget it" line. That's what I was attempting to say in a humorous way.
Sometimes its difficult to know whether you are being sarcastic, or serious. I figure I have a 50/50 shot.
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There will come a time when Coach Saban will leave and Alabama is going to form a coaching search. If that happens because of retirement GREAT but if he wants to go somewhere else so be it. Why want a coach that does not want you what ever the case may be. Auburn is in the situation they are in now talent wise because they were forced to keep a coach because of a buy out that did not want to be there.