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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: RWS on August 09, 2009, 08:25:52 PM
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http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/08/early-practice-notes-linebackers-are.html (http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/08/early-practice-notes-linebackers-are.html)
Got to see offensive line coach Jeff Grimes rip into a player for the first time. The normally mild-mannered (at least by OL coach standards) got in freshman Andre Harris' face while the team was stretching because he didn't have his helmet properly placed in front of him. "Put your helmet where the other helmets are!" Grimes barked. He then made mention of the fact that this was the second time in as many days he had to tell him that. I guess Auburn's coaches pay attention to every detail.
Apparently Chizik holds his staff to a high standard of helmet placement during practices, much like he did at ISU.
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http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/08/early-practice-notes-linebackers-are.html (http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/08/early-practice-notes-linebackers-are.html)
Apparently Chizik holds his staff to a high standard of helmet placement during practices, much like he did at ISU.
Damn son, you sure do pay a lot of attention to all things Auburn.
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http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/08/early-practice-notes-linebackers-are.html (http://wareagleextra.blogspot.com/2009/08/early-practice-notes-linebackers-are.html)
Apparently Chizik holds his staff to a high standard of helmet placement during practices, much like he did at ISU.
Oh dear lord. Vomit just spewed all over my keyboard.
Chizik is what he is. He has a blueprint and has never failed. His blueprint is infallible.
Save us all.
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Oh dear lord. Vomit just spewed all over my keyboard.
Chizik is what he is. He has a blueprint and has never failed. His blueprint is infallible.
Save us all.
Who. Fucking. Cares!?
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Damn son, you sure do pay a lot of attention to all things Auburn.
I just like fucking with some of you is all. Really, I just wanted to see Kaos' brain hemmorrhage. I knew this would do the trick quite nicely.
Things are looking up for us for many Iron Bowls to come. Thanks, Gene! :thumbsup:
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I just like fucking with some of you is all. Really, I just wanted to see Kaos' brain hemmorrhage. I knew this would do the trick quite nicely.
Things are looking up for us for many Iron Bowls to come. Thanks, Gene! :thumbsup:
:rofl: :rofl:
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Really not that upset.
I knew what Chizik was from the start.
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A structured practice=losses?
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Cowboy Gene likes to line his hats up in front of the cattle.
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A structured practice=losses?
I've already explained this. But I will try again.
Chizik is not a smart man. Well, he's smart in that he's ripping Auburn for $2M a year, but that's because Jay Jacobs is dumber than he is.
I've known people like Chizik all my working life. I've had bosses with his mentality. I've coached against people like him.
What I see in Chizik is somebody who thinks he knows what he is doing, but the simple fact is that he does not. The problem is that you can't tell him he doesn't. It's why he says the exact same things, almost verbatim, that he said at ISU. He doesn't understand that he failed at ISU and that maybe, just maybe some of that fucking blueprint he carries around might have flaws in it. No, he can't see that nor can it be explained to him. The blueprint works. If it didn't work at ISU it's not because of the blueprint, it's because the players were assholes or the administration didn't support him or he didn't have enough good assistants or the footballs were filled with pudding. It's not the blueprint.
The second part of this equation is the focusing on minutiae. Chizik is the kind of boss who will make rules regarding paper clip distribution and TPS cover sheets. He thinks that by doing so, he's instilling discipline and establishing order. But while he focuses on the tree, the forest goes completely to fucking hell. I know Chizik because I once coached against him -- or his equivalent. His softball team all had monogrammed bags. They had a bag holder and each bag had to be turned so the team logo faced the field. Each player had to wear the exact same uniform, down to the length of the pants from the knee. If one wore a wristband, all had to wear the exact same one. Bats had to be lined up in the dugout by order of length. Helmets were arranged and lined precisely. Failure to meet any of these rules resulted in punishment running. My team was less structured. We beat the bleeding fuck out of Mr. Minutiae's team every time.
I've had bosses like that (and so have most of you). Sales are off so they start raising hell about people using TWO paper towels in the restroom instead of one. And they install the automated dispensers to cut down on excess towel usage.
I'm telling you -- as I have been from the day this was announced -- Chiz is a fuck up. Hiring him was one of the worst mistakes Auburn football has ever made. It's on par with Ole Miss hiring Ed Orgeron.
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Cowboy Gene likes to line his hats up in front of the cattle.
Post of the week.
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I've already explained this. But I will try again.
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The man has been remarkably successful in every coaching position he has taken, save one. Is it more likely that he's an awful coach, as evidenced by his one failure, or is it that the outlier should be disregarded as an anomaly?
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I've already explained this. But I will try again.
Chizik is not a smart man. Well, he's smart in that he's ripping Auburn for $2M a year, but that's because Jay Jacobs is dumber than he is.
I've known people like Chizik all my working life. I've had bosses with his mentality. I've coached against people like him.
What I see in Chizik is somebody who thinks he knows what he is doing, but the simple fact is that he does not. The problem is that you can't tell him he doesn't. It's why he says the exact same things, almost verbatim, that he said at ISU. He doesn't understand that he failed at ISU and that maybe, just maybe some of that fucking blueprint he carries around might have flaws in it. No, he can't see that nor can it be explained to him. The blueprint works. If it didn't work at ISU it's not because of the blueprint, it's because the players were assholes or the administration didn't support him or he didn't have enough good assistants or the footballs were filled with pudding. It's not the blueprint.
The second part of this equation is the focusing on minutiae. Chizik is the kind of boss who will make rules regarding paper clip distribution and TPS cover sheets. He thinks that by doing so, he's instilling discipline and establishing order. But while he focuses on the tree, the forest goes completely to fucking hell. I know Chizik because I once coached against him -- or his equivalent. His softball team all had monogrammed bags. They had a bag holder and each bag had to be turned so the team logo faced the field. Each player had to wear the exact same uniform, down to the length of the pants from the knee. If one wore a wristband, all had to wear the exact same one. Bats had to be lined up in the dugout by order of length. Helmets were arranged and lined precisely. Failure to meet any of these rules resulted in punishment running. My team was less structured. We beat the bleeding fuck out of Mr. Minutiae's team every time.
I've had bosses like that (and so have most of you). Sales are off so they start raising hell about people using TWO paper towels in the restroom instead of one. And they install the automated dispensers to cut down on excess towel usage.
I'm telling you -- as I have been from the day this was announced -- Chiz is a fuck up. Hiring him was one of the worst mistakes Auburn football has ever made. It's on par with Ole Miss hiring Ed Orgeron.
A few points only, then I'll move on because frankly my bleeding soul is aching and I just don't have it in me to point out all the dumb ass things said in this complete regergitation and re-hashed barf bag material.
1. Iowa State is not Auburn. You can call the basics of this tired, but if you believe that Chizik had the same opportunity, tools, players, support or enthusiasm behind that program, or that he just simply lost his coaching mind, and THAT's what caused Iowa State to suck balls, then this argument needs to stop, because you're just fucking stupid. (Yes, I am the KING of the run-on sentence...)
If you believe that Auburn and Iowa State are the same, I've got a model of Space Shuttle Endeavor that I'll sell you for 3.1 Billion dollars. I mean, they're both space shuttles, and I will settle for nothing less than fair market value. Call your bank and get back with me.
2. Two straight National Championship LEVEL defenses (one actual title).
3. Two straight Thorpe Award Winners.
4. The players in EVERY FUCKING ARTICLE....sound happy, content, willing to learn, or do more, even excited. They all seem to have a purpose again. Watching videos of practice, you hear instrution, intense coaching, support, even some laughing and gigging from seniors watching the younger guys. Not because of them making fun, but from encouragement and wanting them to do it better. They do NOT sound like they're being micro-managed by Lumberg. I've heard the term "kindergarten rules" from the staff and players. This doesn't sound like hardcore discipline. I have heard of attention to detail, which makes kids learn to pay fucking attention. This isn't revolutionary or stupid, it's necessary.
5. Malzahn, Thigpen, Luper, Taylor, Roof. It's a better staff. Thigpen left his alma mater to come to Auburn after Mack Brown from Texas told him he needed to come to Auburn and coach with Chizik. What does THAT fucking say Kaos? Oh, but let's rely on your softball and little league football coaching days to guide us along. It's a better staff he could never dream of even paying for at Iowa State, much less recruit them to come to such a place. Oh yeah, but Iowa State and Auburn are equals in your mind..
Look, I don't know where we'll be in a few days, let alone a year or five. I do know that I see a lot more cohesiveness on a gameplan moving forward into this year between the staff, and the players, which I'm not sure was there with Tony Franklin (regardless of the excitement going in from us). Scholarships are low, something that couldn't possibly be blamed on this staff, but could be fixed with recruiting. This staff, in my opinion shows an ability or desire to fill the empty spots with better talent. With basically no past history to work with at Auburn, they seem to be turning heads anyway. Any success this year and with open spots, I see a scholly level filled with lots of great talent down the road.
However, I'm sure taking this common sense approach to shit I do know and have seen clearly makes me a sunshine pumper of epic proportions. Whatever.
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The man has been remarkably successful in every coaching position he has taken, save one. Is it more likely that he's an awful coach, as evidenced by his one failure, or is it that the outlier should be disregarded as an anomaly?
Crocodiles and alligators.
Remarkably successful as an assistant. Ass on a cracker as a head coach.
Many people are great sidekicks. Doesn't mean they have the timber to move up to leading man. Jerry Lewis. Outstanding as comic foil for Dean Martin. As a leading man? Sucked nuts, lady.
Ace Frehley. Outstanding guitarist and integral member of the greatest live band in American history: KISS. Solo? Not so much.
If Chizik was DC, I'd be okay with it sort of. I still think he's a bag of cheesy dicks for the manner in which he opted to leave Auburn and as such will never be an Auburn man in my eyes, but I could accept him as DC.
You just don't fail miserably at the only job you've ever had that equates and then be promoted to head coach at the greatest football program in the nation. That's just offensive on every level.
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A few points only, then I'll move on because frankly my bleeding soul is aching and I just don't have it in me to point out all the dumb ass things said in this complete regergitation and re-hashed barf bag material.
1. Iowa State is not Auburn. You can call the basics of this tired, but if you believe that Chizik had the same opportunity, tools, players, support or enthusiasm behind that program, or that he just simply lost his coaching mind, and THAT's what caused Iowa State to suck balls, then this argument needs to stop, because you're just fucking stupid. (Yes, I am the KING of the run-on sentence...)
If you believe that Auburn and Iowa State are the same, I've got a model of Space Shuttle Endeavor that I'll sell you for 3.1 Billion dollars. I mean, they're both space shuttles, and I will settle for nothing less than fair market value. Call your bank and get back with me.
2. Two straight National Championship LEVEL defenses (one actual title).
3. Two straight Thorpe Award Winners.
4. The players in EVERY FUCKING ARTICLE....sound happy, content, willing to learn, or do more, even excited. They all seem to have a purpose again. Watching videos of practice, you hear instrution, intense coaching, support, even some laughing and gigging from seniors watching the younger guys. Not because of them making fun, but from encouragement and wanting them to do it better. They do NOT sound like they're being micro-managed by Lumberg. I've heard the term "kindergarten rules" from the staff and players. This doesn't sound like hardcore discipline. I have heard of attention to detail, which makes kids learn to pay fucking attention. This isn't revolutionary or stupid, it's necessary.
5. Malzahn, Thigpen, Luper, Taylor, Roof. It's a better staff. Thigpen left his alma mater to come to Auburn after Mack Brown from Texas told him he needed to come to Auburn and coach with Chizik. What does THAT fucking say Kaos? Oh, but let's rely on your softball and little league football coaching days to guide us along. It's a better staff he could never dream of even paying for at Iowa State, much less recruit them to come to such a place. Oh yeah, but Iowa State and Auburn are equals in your mind..
Look, I don't know where we'll be in a few days, let alone a year or five. I do know that I see a lot more cohesiveness on a gameplan moving forward into this year between the staff, and the players, which I'm not sure was there with Tony Franklin (regardless of the excitement going in from us). Scholarships are low, something that couldn't possibly be blamed on this staff, but could be fixed with recruiting. This staff, in my opinion shows an ability or desire to fill the empty spots with better talent. With basically no past history to work with at Auburn, they seem to be turning heads anyway. Any success this year and with open spots, I see a scholly level filled with lots of great talent down the road.
However, I'm sure taking this common sense approach to shit I do know and have seen clearly makes me a sunshine pumper of epic proportions. Whatever.
1. One of the big complaints from ISU fans, etc, was how Chizik handled gameday and gameday preparation. He was Shula-esqe in how he managed things. I don't believe ISU and AU are the same, but we also heard the same bullshit about Tony Franklin. We heard all about how he was going to bring AU to the promised land again with his offense......and he did very well at Troy for that matter. Just because you are getting better players than you had does not automatically equal success. You can scream that the two schools aren't the same all day long, and you will be right. But, it doesn't mean shit. Now, we're hearing the same thing about Malzahn from alot of AU fans. Same shit, different day. Just because he did well at Tulsa and now has better players, doesn't necessarily mean he is going to rip SEC defenses to shreds. Tulsa lost some games, you know.
2. As a DC (AU), and a Co-DC (TX). How many does he have as a head coach? 0. You cannot translate success as a coordinator to success as a head coach automatically, especially when there is already two seasons of proof as to what he can do as a head coach. Mike Shula is a pretty good QB coach of an NFL team. You want him as your head coach? Didn't think so. Not only did Chizik do poorly in his first year, he did worse his second year. Were you not one of the ones laughing your ass off saying that we should have kept Shula since CNS didn't really improve on his record his first season? But, I bet the same thing doesn't apply to Chizik. He gets a pass. You can give me the whole "its hard to win at ISU" speech all you want. How much do you want to bet Paul Rhodes gets ISU at least 5 wins this season? How much do you want to bet if they hired Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Pete Carrol, Tommy Tuberville, Mack Brown, Les Miles, or Nick Saban when Chizik left that they would have at least 5 wins this season? I would bet on that in a heartbeat had it actually happened.
Iowa State's strength of schedule for 2008 was rated 51st in the country, thats counting Div IA and IAA. Why is it Wake Forest has a much tougher schedule, and they can go 8-5? Why is it Michigan State has a tougher schedule, and they can go 9-4? Duke's schedule was rated 6th in the country, and they managed 4 wins in 2008. Purdue had a tougher schedule, and managed 4 wins. Syracuse had a tougher schedule, and they managed 3 wins. Washington had the toughest schedule in the country and won 0 games. Are you really going to try and tell me Duke has better players, opportunity, tools, and support for their football team than ISU? Really? And that was Cutcliffe's first year there.
Its funny, when CNS came to Alabama all you guys could talk about was how his success as a head coach at other schools was not automatically going to translate to anything at Alabama. He wasn't going to be able to recruit at Alabama like he did at LSU. Things were going to be different. All of that shit applied to us, even though he had completely rebuilt LSU and had proven he could turn around a college football program. But all of a sudden, the same logic doesn't apply to Chizik? We hired a coach who had won a MNC and proven himself as a winner in the college ranks, but that wasn't going to translate to success at Alabama. Auburn hires a guy who failed miserably at Iowa State, and he's automatically going to be a world beater? Whats up with that?
3. As a DC.
4. Find me one player who is going to openly talk negative to the media about their current coach. Go back and watch interviews of players last season, and they're not saying the shit some of them are saying now about what went wrong last season.
5. You don't know shit whether it is a better staff or not. Tim Tebow on ice skates, they haven't even coached the first down of a football game at AU yet. Oh, wait, I guess because they "have several top recruits looking at Auburn", that automatically makes them better. Ok, gotcha. There isn't shit to prove they are an upgrade yet. If you want to claim that in your own opinion, then whatever cranks your tractor. You're entitled to that. But, to go ahead and crown them now is a bit premature, imo. Also, you can have the best coaches in the world, but you better pray the kids they are coaching are up to muster. There is only so much lipstick you can slap on a pig.
If you keep this sort of shit up, this thread is going to turn epic. :yoda:
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You could have condensed all of that into one simple word and accomplished the same thing:
"Dumbass"
In the future? Please don't quote that crap. Ignore function spares me the thick-skulled babble.
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1. One of the big complaints from ISU fans, etc, was how Chizik handled gameday and gameday preparation. He was Shula-esqe in how he managed things. I don't believe ISU and AU are the same, but we also heard the same bullshit about Tony Franklin. We heard all about how he was going to bring AU to the promised land again with his offense......and he did very well at Troy for that matter. Just because you are getting better players than you had does not automatically equal success. You can scream that the two schools aren't the same all day long, and you will be right. But, it doesn't mean shit. Now, we're hearing the same thing about Malzahn from alot of AU fans. Same shit, different day. Just because he did well at Tulsa and now has better players, doesn't necessarily mean he is going to rip SEC defenses to shreds. Tulsa lost some games, you know.
All I can really say here, is that it's amazing that you dismiss the school's comparisons, and bring up Tony Franklin as somehow anchoring your argument. Call your bank Scissors, and I only take cash. That's 3.1 BILLION...with a "B".
Iowa State and Auburn are NOTHING alike.
2. As a DC (AU), and a Co-DC (TX). How many does he have as a head coach? 0. You cannot translate success as a coordinator to success as a head coach automatically, especially when there is already two seasons of proof as to what he can do as a head coach. Mike Shula is a pretty good QB coach of an NFL team. You want him as your head coach? Didn't think so. Not only did Chizik do poorly in his first year, he did worse his second year. Were you not one of the ones laughing your ass off saying that we should have kept Shula since CNS didn't really improve on his record his first season? But, I bet the same thing doesn't apply to Chizik. He gets a pass. You can give me the whole "its hard to win at ISU" speech all you want. How much do you want to bet Paul Rhodes gets ISU at least 5 wins this season? How much do you want to bet if they hired Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, Pete Carrol, Tommy Tuberville, Mack Brown, Les Miles, or Nick Saban when Chizik left that they would have at least 5 wins this season? I would bet on that in a heartbeat had it actually happened.
You're so passionate about shit you have to make up. First, how in the hell do you base what Chizik has done against any of the big name coaches you listed AFTER their successes? Were all of them fireballers out of the gate? No. I still wouldn't put Shula in the same class as Chizik based on what they've done career wise at the times of their hiring either. Just my opinion, but Chizik had great success as a DC, where as Shula was a relative unknown assistant in the NFL. I don't see a valid comparison there, no matter how much string and duct tape you use to try and create one. My point was simple. Chizik did NOT have the same tools, or cohesive staff, nor athletes to be as successful as he COULD be at Auburn. Have I said he's a shoe in for success? Fuck no. However, you and the poon clown are trying to tee off with no ball to play with anyway.
Iowa State's strength of schedule for 2008 was rated 51st in the country, thats counting Div IA and IAA. Why is it Wake Forest has a much tougher schedule, and they can go 8-5? Why is it Michigan State has a tougher schedule, and they can go 9-4? Duke's schedule was rated 6th in the country, and they managed 4 wins in 2008. Purdue had a tougher schedule, and managed 4 wins. Syracuse had a tougher schedule, and they managed 3 wins. Washington had the toughest schedule in the country and won 0 games. Are you really going to try and tell me Duke has better players, opportunity, tools, and support for their football team than ISU? Really? And that was Cutcliffe's first year there.
Being that you don't know shit about Iowa State, I know you can't comprehend this, but the answer is yes. Iowa State is the third tier program in their own state. I lived there. I've been to games. I've seen the atmosphere there on gameday. It's garbage. It's also a state not target rich for football athletes, nor attractive to the better athletes geographically speaking. Division II powerhouse Northern Iowa reaches more kids and at least has a dome stadium to their credit. It's nice. I actually played a game there once. I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about here, and pulling stats out of your ass to try to make it seem that way is ridiculous.
Its funny, when CNS came to Alabama all you guys could talk about was how his success as a head coach at other schools was not automatically going to translate to anything at Alabama. He wasn't going to be able to recruit at Alabama like he did at LSU. Things were going to be different. All of that shit applied to us, even though he had completely rebuilt LSU and had proven he could turn around a college football program. But all of a sudden, the same logic doesn't apply to Chizik? We hired a coach who had won a MNC and proven himself as a winner in the college ranks, but that wasn't going to translate to success at Alabama. Auburn hires a guy who failed miserably at Iowa State, and he's automatically going to be a world beater? Whats up with that?
Rival board. It's what we do. Also, Saban had quite a few more years (and a lot of bad to mediocre years) to base opinions on. Chizik had two miserable years at Iowa State. Now you know and Kaos know it all. It's amazing, and I love you two for it.
3. As a DC.
So it's irrelevant to you. I'd expect nothing less.
4. Find me one player who is going to openly talk negative to the media about their current coach. Go back and watch interviews of players last season, and they're not saying the shit some of them are saying now about what went wrong last season.
Weak sauce bud. Simply saying you can hear the excitement and upbeat attitudes. It's not just positive spin that graces the newspapers every year. It's an opinion, but you trying to act like I'm wrong, just to have an opposing view, again, is making you look typical, and stupid.
5. You don't know shit whether it is a better staff or not. Tim Tebow on ice skates, they haven't even coached the first down of a football game at AU yet. Oh, wait, I guess because they "have several top recruits looking at Auburn", that automatically makes them better. Ok, gotcha. There isn't shit to prove they are an upgrade yet. If you want to claim that in your own opinion, then whatever cranks your tractor. You're entitled to that. But, to go ahead and crown them now is a bit premature, imo. Also, you can have the best coaches in the world, but you better pray the kids they are coaching are up to muster. There is only so much lipstick you can slap on a pig.
With the exception of Gran and Dunn (maybe), I'd take Thigpen, Malzhan, Roof, Taylor over anyone on the last staff. That's my opinion based on all their past success in Division I football, and valid. Again, you're arguing as if we don't know enough to make an opinion, yet all you've done is do the same fucking thing with Kaos, just opposite. You two don't konw shit, but take a steamer on EVERY post.
You're a fucking hypocrit and a shitty one at that.
If you keep this sort of shit up, this thread is going to turn epic. :yoda:
Your asshattery is already epic, and as far as your little light saber is concerned, it's only going to make you bleed when pulled from your arse.
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All I can really say here, is that it's amazing that you dismiss the school's comparisons, and bring up Tony Franklin as somehow anchoring your argument. Call your bank Scissors, and I only take cash. That's 3.1 BILLION...with a "B".
Iowa State and Auburn is NOTHING alike.
Yeah, I already agreed that ISU and AU are nothing alike. And? I was mixing Malzahn into the argument, because the whole "better players" argument seems to come up anytime somebody says his system isn't going to work well in SEC play, much like it comes up when somebody mentions Chizik's failure at ISU. One isn't directly linked to another, but it is relative to the whole "better players" argument.
You're so passionate about shit you have to make up. First, how in the hell do you base what Chizik has done against any of the big name coaches you listed AFTER their successes? Were all of them fireballers out of the gate? No. I still wouldn't put Shula in the same class as Chizik based on what they've done career wise at the times of their hiring either. Just my opinion, but Chizik had great success as a DC, where as Shula was a relative unknown assistant in the NFL. I don't see a valid comparison there, no matter how much string and duct tape you use to try and create one. My point was simple. Chizik did NOT have the same tools, or cohesive staff, nor athletes to be as successful as he COULD be at Auburn. Have I said he's a shoe in for success? Fuck no. However, you and the poon clown are trying to tee off with no ball to play with anyway.
Urban Meyer was 8-3 his first year as a head coach....at Bowling Green. His second year, he went 9-3. His first year at Utah he went 10-2. His second year at Utah they went 12-0 (their first perfect season since 1930) and beat Pitt in the Fiesta Bowl. At UF, he is 44-9 with two MNC and two SECC.
Bob Stoops took OK to 7 wins and their first bowl game in 7 years in his first year. His second year, OK won a MNC. He is 109-24 overall as a head coach with 1 MNC (with two more appearances in the MNC game), and 6 Big 12 titles over 10 years.
Mack Brown wasn't that great at Appalachian State (1 year; 1983), or Tulane (3 years; 1985, 1986, 1987). His start at NC wasn't good at all, and he finally got them turned around after a few years. His first two seasons were 1-10, but after that, he went 67-26 They were ranked in the AP Top 25 every week from 1992-1995. He went 69-46 overall at NC. His first season at TX he went 9-3. He has only lost more than 3 games in a season once, and that was his second year there. He is 115-26 at TX with 1 MNC and 3 Big 12 titles.
Do I need to explain Tommy Tuberville? You guys should know it, after all the times you went on for pages how CTT was the best thing since sliced bread and better than anybody. Oh, wait....he isn't AU's corch anymore. He sucks, I forgot.
Pete Carroll......Jesus Christ, I shouldn't even have to explain this. 6-6 his first season, has won a MNC (2) and/or conferen title (7) and has never lost more than 2 games in a season (excluding his first season). I would say going from 6-6 to 11-2 with a conference title and a BCS bowl game in your second year is improvement.
Fuck, I'm tired of looking up stats. I can without a doubt say that Urban Meyer, Bob Stoops, and Pete Carroll came onto the college scene pretty damn hot. The others, think whatever you want. I would still bet they could do something more with ISU than what Chizik did.
Being that you don't know shit about Iowa State, I know you can't comprehend this, but the answer is yes. Iowa State is the third tier program in their own state. I lived there. I've been to games. I've seen the atmosphere there on gameday. It's garbage. It's also a state not target rich for football athletes, nor attractive to the better athletes geographically speaking. Division II powerhouse Northern Iowa reaches more kids and at least has a dome stadium to their credit. It's nice. I actually played a game there once. I'm sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about here, and pulling stats out of your ass to try to make it seem that way is ridiculous.
Ok, so Duke and Northern Iowa have better athletes, and support for their football program than ISU. Gotcha.
Rival board. It's what we do. Also, Saban had quite a few more years (and a lot of bad to mediocre years) to base opinions on. Chizik had two miserable years at Iowa State. Now you know and Kaos know it all. It's amazing, and I love you two for it.
So, you admit it was bullshit? Awesome. Nice to see you can admit to making bullshit arguments. Not that we needed an admission or anything. Saban may have some mediocre years, but by the time he leaves the team is usually in better shape than he found it. His only year at Toledo he was 9-2, last year at Michigan State he was 9-2, and his last year at LSU he was 9-3. You can't tell me he inherited a gold mine at any of those schools, either. That tells me he can probably rebuild a program. He has never lost more than 6 games in a season.
So it's irrelevant to you. I'd expect nothing less.
COORDINATOR DOES NOT EQUAL HEAD COACH. No matter how much you try and make that argument.
Weak sauce bud. Simply saying you can hear the excitement and upbeat attitudes. It's not just positive spin that graces the newspapers every year. It's an opinion, but you trying to act like I'm wrong, just to have an opposing view, again, is making you look typical, and stupid.
How is it weak sauce? Even when things were rough in '08, you didn't hear the shit about the coaches that you have now heard in interviews with players when asked what the fuck happened. Again, you are not going to find an athlete on a football team talk shit about a current coach to the media. Not. Going. To. Happen.
With the exception of Gran and Dunn (maybe), I'd take Thigpen, Malzhan, Roof, Taylor over anyone on the last staff. That's my opinion based on all their past success in Division I football, and valid. Again, you're arguing as if we don't know enough to make an opinion, yet all you've done is do the same fucking thing with Kaos, just opposite. You two don't konw shit, but take a steamer on EVERY post.
Like I said, thats your opinion. But to state it as fact as you did, you have nothing to prove it.
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Good Lord people. There's only so many hours in a day. Could you shorten the posts up a smidge?
Mmmkthx
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Good Lord people. There's only so many hours in a day. Could you shorten the posts up a smidge?
Mmmkthx
Can you just make Chopper smarter? That way, I wouldn't need to use so many words.
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Can you just make Chopper smarter? That way, I wouldn't need to use so many words.
I love all this back and forth shit, but frankly, look over your "answers" or responses to what I wrote, and as tired as you got looking up stats, you did it all for nothing. You either manufactured, or altered a response to make a debate where there was none, or did the classic BG and Kaos misdirection. I didn't go to all those other places, you did. I kept it simple. The fact you can't and tried to blow it up is just funny.
Nowhere did I claim Chizik is a slam dunk. Nowhere did I say that he had anything more than a better opportunity at Auburn, and my reasons for that opinion. Your dinkle nuts ass went and looked up stats to support an argument to support your own freaking opinion, and not one I needed explained again and again.
The fact remains, that Chizik proved nothing while at Iowa State, one way or the other. I'm impressed thus far with the staff and efforts at Auburn. Because of my knowledge of his situation at Iowa State, I believe he can do much better here with the support and tools available to him.
The other thing I was pointing out was that while you and Poon Clown mock us for supporting Chizik, or offering opinions on our situation, you're doing the EXACT same thing. You know nothing, but you manufacture bullshit and throw everything back in our faces as if you do. It's laughable only in the fact that you're either too arrogant, or stupid to realize it.
Look up some more stats all you want, my point was made, and I don't think I really have to go further.
You were completely weak today scissors.
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Garbage.
Please, please stop quoting that shit. I'm just fine not having to see it and I don't want to be tempted to respond to its blundering banality. It's like reading the collected works of Barney Rubble. I don't have time for that. Wouldn't be so bad, but Captain Caveman has no idea how to debate a point without immediately jumping into personal shit and then -- worst of all -- trying to pop off a few clever bon mots. That's where the epic fail comes into place. No, actually the epic fail comes when the jealous little fuck tries to equate me with BG (because we all know BG slapped him around like a pimp slaps a hooker who only earned $5 on a Friday night on the other board). No, there's an even greater epic fail. It comes when Uncle Oblivious declares himself the winner when it's readily apprarent to anyone with a fifth-grade education that he's been served his ass on a platter by whoever is unfortunate enough to be the target of one of his patented doobie-doobie penguin diatribes. That's the true epic fail.
As I've noted before it's like the snot nosed little fuck on the playground who gets his skull beaten to a pulp and then goes "oh yeah, yo momma!!" at the retreating form of whoever just turned his ass into a hat. Then he high fives whoever is standing around feeling sorry for him, thinking that the disgust and boredom on the face of his foe somehow translates into a "win" with his clever jibe. Doesn't realize that at some point people just get tired of beating the holy fuck out of him and walk away. (Perhaps the least self aware person on the planet).
Some people are word artisans, crafting linguistic sculputures with nuance and flavor like fine painters bring life to canvas with their brushes. Most are adequate wordsmiths, able to convey complex ideas with skill and flair.
And then there are those who have all the verbal skill of a silverback gorilla on PCP.
I block those. It's like somebody filled their mouth with ExLax and they feel compelled to fling all the collected poop at the screen and call it debate.
The block feature is perfect for them. It's like somebody put a manhole cover over the sewer and now I don't have to jump over piles of raw steaming shit when I go for a stroll through the threads.
Stop taking the manhole cover off, please.
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And then there are those who have all the verbal skill of a silverback gorilla on PCP.
I block those.
But it says I have "0" people blocking me???
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But it says I have "0" people blocking me???
HA...
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I love all this back and forth shit, but frankly, look over your "answers" or responses to what I wrote, and as tired as you got looking up stats, you did it all for nothing. You either manufactured, or altered a response to make a debate where there was none, or did the classic BG and Kaos misdirection. I didn't go to all those other places, you did. I kept it simple. The fact you can't and tried to blow it up is just funny.
Nowhere did I claim Chizik is a slam dunk. Nowhere did I say that he had anything more than a better opportunity at Auburn, and my reasons for that opinion. Your dinkle nuts ass went and looked up stats to support an argument to support your own freaking opinion, and not one I needed explained again and again.
The stats were in direct response to you saying that none of the coaches I named came into the college coaching arena as fireballers. There was no other point or argument to those stats.
The fact remains, that Chizik proved nothing while at Iowa State, one way or the other. I'm impressed thus far with the staff and efforts at Auburn. Because of my knowledge of his situation at Iowa State, I believe he can do much better here with the support and tools available to him.
So, in those terms, I wonder why Shula didn't win a MNC? I mean, he had all the support and tools afforded to him at Alabama. He had halfass decent players. You and I both know the answer to this. You can have all the tools, resources, support, fanbase, etc that you want. It does not make you a better coach just by default. You have to have some idea what the fuck to do as a head coach to begin with. So, keep up with the "ISU is not Auburn" rhetoric all you want. Give him all the support and tools a coach could have. Its not going to mean he will be successful. Shula is a great example of that.
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The stats were in direct response to you saying that none of the coaches I named came into the college coaching arena as fireballers. There was no other point or argument to those stats.
No. I didn't ask that. I asked "Were all of them fireballers out of the gate?"
The answer was no, even using your info.
So, in those terms, I wonder why Shula didn't win a MNC? I mean, he had all the support and tools afforded to him at Alabama. He had halfass decent players. You and I both know the answer to this. You can have all the tools, resources, support, fanbase, etc that you want. It does not make you a better coach just by default. You have to have some idea what the fuck to do as a head coach to begin with. So, keep up with the "ISU is not Auburn" rhetoric all you want. Give him all the support and tools a coach could have. Its not going to mean he will be successful. Shula is a great example of that.
For this to be a logical retort, you'd have to recognize Chizik and Shula as being equal. I don't. So, this means nothing to what I've said. In fact, I had already said that I believed that Chizik "at the time of their hiring" was a better fit.
Again, I only kept it simple and didn't add to, or try to change the direction of the opinions I was offering. That was you.
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No. I didn't ask that. I asked "Were all of them fireballers out of the gate?"
The answer was no, even using your info.
For this to be a logical retort, you'd have to recognize Chizik and Shula as being equal. I don't. So, this means nothing to what I've said. In fact, I had already said that I believed that Chizik "at the time of their hiring" was a better fit.
Again, I only kept it simple and didn't add to, or try to change the direction of the opinions I was offering. That was you.
*Quote*....LOL
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I've already explained this. But I will try again.
Chizik is not a smart man. Well, he's smart in that he's ripping Auburn for $2M a year, but that's because Jay Jacobs is dumber than he is.
I've known people like Chizik all my working life. I've had bosses with his mentality. I've coached against people like him.
What I see in Chizik is somebody who thinks he knows what he is doing, but the simple fact is that he does not. The problem is that you can't tell him he doesn't. It's why he says the exact same things, almost verbatim, that he said at ISU. He doesn't understand that he failed at ISU and that maybe, just maybe some of that fucking blueprint he carries around might have flaws in it. No, he can't see that nor can it be explained to him. The blueprint works. If it didn't work at ISU it's not because of the blueprint, it's because the players were assholes or the administration didn't support him or he didn't have enough good assistants or the footballs were filled with pudding. It's not the blueprint.
The second part of this equation is the focusing on minutiae. Chizik is the kind of boss who will make rules regarding paper clip distribution and TPS cover sheets. He thinks that by doing so, he's instilling discipline and establishing order. But while he focuses on the tree, the forest goes completely to fucking hell. I know Chizik because I once coached against him -- or his equivalent. His softball team all had monogrammed bags. They had a bag holder and each bag had to be turned so the team logo faced the field. Each player had to wear the exact same uniform, down to the length of the pants from the knee. If one wore a wristband, all had to wear the exact same one. Bats had to be lined up in the dugout by order of length. Helmets were arranged and lined precisely. Failure to meet any of these rules resulted in punishment running. My team was less structured. We beat the bleeding fuck out of Mr. Minutiae's team every time.
I've had bosses like that (and so have most of you). Sales are off so they start raising hell about people using TWO paper towels in the restroom instead of one. And they install the automated dispensers to cut down on excess towel usage.
I'm telling you -- as I have been from the day this was announced -- Chiz is a fuck up. Hiring him was one of the worst mistakes Auburn football has ever made. It's on par with Ole Miss hiring Ed Orgeron.
I think you're 95% right, but it's that 5% that I'm hanging onto. And honestly, that 5% when it comes to Auburn is enough for me to be 100% gung ho about this football team.
Chizik does have some quirks...but doesn't every football coach? Doesn't EVERY "great" football coach have some bullshit that people don't like? Saban is a fuck up in the media, and regardless of what analysts said about him when he left Miami, he's doing exactly what he wants to do at Alabama. Urban Meyer is a egomaniac and has criticized Spurrier's old players - does it look like Florida fans and/or players care? Hell, going back to Saban, he's practically kicking players off the team because he god damn feels like it. Some say that blueprint is a recipe for disaster, but has recruiting slowed down for Alabama yet?
Bear Bryant ran a concentration camp, but he's revered by every player that played for him. Tommy Tuberville was nothing more than a face on the practice field, and he might as well been discussing his garden with the old folks while the hitting was going on. Would Tuberville's apathetic attitude hinder him from going 14-0?
Chizik likes to be nitpicky with helmets and dress code. It sucks, and it makes him look like a moron. However, the man has a tremendous amount of support, and he somehow lured hot coaching prospects away from their already successful jobs just so they could coach at Auburn. Something about that tells me high quality coaches have faith in Chiznick.
We'll see how Chizik handles being Auburn's coach in about four weeks. Until then, I'm going to give him every bit of support I can muster; I would really hate to eat crow served by my own fanbase because I predicted my own team to suck.
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No chizik does not have a tremendous amount of support. He has a little support in high places and several people that despite it all support Auburn University.
The bottom line on what his coaching abilities are is quite simple if you broke down and ranked the conference subdivisions as individual conferences and made that whole shooting match a power listing of conferences the SEC West would rank 1,2,or 3 as the strongest conference in the land. The Big 12 north would be somewhere about the CUSA level.
If you can't out coach CUSA level competition with CUSA level players how in the holy hell are you going to out coach SEC West coaches with SEC West level players?
How would Mississippi State with Croom at the helm have fared had it played chizik's Big 12 north schedule and out of conference opponents?
The bottom line is he has managed to hang onto to some powerful coattails but when the time came for him to walk the sidelines and coach up a winner he was too busy lining up the helmets to be able to do his job.
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I would really hate to eat crow served by my own fanbase because I predicted my own team to suck.
This doesn't matter to me at all. I haven't "predicted the team to suck" and I haven't denigrated any of the players. Only that I do not have a good feeling about Chizik at all. He's our Mike Shula/Mike DuBose, our Ed Orgeron, our Gerry Faust, our Gerry DiNardo, our Wayne Fontes. Get the picture? The real key to Chizik is who we hire AFTER him and how long it takes the idiot administration to realize we have to make a change.
Chizik hired a good staff -- on paper. We don't know how they'll mesh and, frankly, they aren't any better than what we had before. So that's really a wash. Still, I'd be relatively positive if we'd hired ABC (anybody but Chizik) as head coach.
If Tuberville had stayed and hired Roof there would have been plenty of head scratching and not a lot of confidence. But because Chizik hired him you've got people here claiming he's some kind of defensive mastermind. Whatever. Don't begrudge people wanting to be optimistic but that doesn't mean I'm going to abandon common sense and join them.
I do agree with GW on one count, though. Chizik does not have "a tremendous amount of support." In a few narrow enclaves like this, you'll find a group of people who are supportive, but out in the open world support is lukewarm at best. It won't take much for the mob to turn unruly and light the torches.
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I've got the matches!! :thumbsup: