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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Birmingham on June 11, 2009, 02:43:47 PM
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HOLY SHIT THIS THING WAS RAMPANT!!!! EXTREMELY widespread.
I'm shocked that we only had to vacate wins. Unreal.
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It is absofuckinglutely unreal that all you had to do was vacate wins.
16 of 19 sports. 16!! 201 total student athletes and guess who got the most money? Fucking football players. One player made $3900 off of textbooks.
7 football players were also named intentional wrongdoers. That means the NCAA investigated and found out the players knew that what they were doing was against the rules.
16 sports and 201 one kids is not a few college kids cheating a system. That's administrators (albeit librarians) knowingly helping athletes earn extra money.
Not to mention, this was inside the university. So, a university helping student athletes earn money is less severe than a rogue booster? Doesn't make sense to me.
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I can't listen to it...but I had no idea. Wow!!!!
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That's administrators (albeit librarians) knowingly helping athletes earn extra money.
Not to mention, this was inside the university. So, a university helping student athletes earn money is less severe than a rogue booster?
That's pure speculation. I'm amazed at the numbers but your comment is speculation.
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Cash did not change hands. I believe they are talking about value of the books only not money somebody made from them.
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Cash did not change hands. I believe they are talking about value of the books only not money somebody made from them.
I'm just going on what Ian and Lance said.
Their exact words - "The national perception will be 'this is how Bama was continuing to pay its players.'"
They're either saying the nation is comprised of morons or players at Alabama were making money off of the textbooks.
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I'm just going on what Ian and Lance said.
Their exact words - "The national perception will be 'this is how Bama was continuing to pay its players.'"
You conveniently left out that the next thing they said which was "They would be wrong for perceiving it that way but that's the way this will be perceived."
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You conveniently left out that the next thing they said which was "They would be wrong for perceiving it that way but that's the way this will be perceived."
I thought they meant that people would be wrong to think Bama was paying players through this, and that the correct interpretation should be the students were cheating a system.
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wrong. They said it twice and made it clear that they were referring to peoples "wrong" perception that this is how the University is paying it's athletes.
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Here's my perception - the NCAA is a bunch of spineless pussies.
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Question for the bama fans. What do you see as Mal Moore's legacy? Didn't he come in at the end of the Mike Dubose era and fire him? I don't think the Means stuff happened under him but the investigation and handling of it did. Is the hiring of Nick Saban the one real positive in his tenure?
Just axin' what ya'll think because that question was posed by our local sports talk guy this morning.
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Here's my perception - the NCAA is a bunch of spineless pussies.
They certainly could have been tougher.
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Is the hiring of Nick Saban the one real positive in his tenure?
Nick Saban is why Mal Moore is employed by the University of Alabama.
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Nick Saban is why Mal Moore is employed by the University of Alabama.
Which begs the question (Not starting shit here or saying he will) if CNS were to bolt for another job, would Moore be out the door with him?
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Which begs the question (Not starting shit here or saying he will) if CNS were to bolt for another job, would Moore be out the door with him?
Why not just sit back and wait until the Fall of 2010 and find out for yourself?
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They certainly could should have been tougher.
FTFY
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Here's my perception - the NCAA is a bunch of spineless pussies.
This begs the question:
Is yours spined?
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This begs the question:
Is yours spined?
Depends on the night...
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Depends on the night...
porcupussy? :)
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Did they announce the penalties on all of the other sports, or will that come out later?
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Here's the ESPN article on it:
Sixteen athletics teams at Alabama have been penalized for their involvement in improperly obtaining free textbooks for other students, with the football team ordered to vacate an unspecified number of victories between the 2005 and 2007 seasons, the NCAA Committee on Infractions announced Thursday.
Alabama could be forced to vacate as many as 21 football wins that came under the watch of former coach Mike Shula and current coach Nick Saban, sources at the university told ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach. Citing a source, the Birmingham News reported the number of victories to be at least 10.
Low: Three years gone
Alabama will have to vacate as many as 21 victories from the 2005-07 seasons. The NCAA has asked Alabama officials to identify any games in which seven ineligible football players participated in during the three-year period.
The football program, which will not lose future scholarships, and the other 15 teams have been put on three years' probation -- the third probation penalty for university athletics in the last decade. Alabama also was ordered to pay a $43,900 fine.
It wasn't immediately clear if Alabama would appeal the probation, which would last until June 2012.
"First of all, I think the University of Alabama, Dr. [Robert] Witt [president], and Mal Moore [athletic director] did a great job of demonstrating institutional integrity in the way they handled this internally," Saban told the News on Thursday before the NCAA's announcement. "I'm really happy for the players we have in the program that this won't affect their future, nor will it affect the players we're recruiting. We're always happy to be moving on, and we're looking forward to the future."
Former Miami athletics director Paul Dee, chairman of the committee on infractions, said 201 student-athletes improperly obtained textbooks from the school's bookstore. Dee said four football players were the worst offenders, obtaining books worth betwen $2,700 and $3,950. Dee said the athletes improperly obtained textbooks worth approximately $40,000.
The NCAA identified seven Alabama football players who intentionally obtained textbooks improperly, Dee said. The NCAA has asked Alabama officials to identify the games in which the ineligible players competed in during the 2005-07 seasons for the purpose of vacating those victories.
In addition to football, the programs receiving penalties are men's and women's basketball, softball, baseball, women's gymnastics, men's and women's golf, men's and women's swimming, men's and women's tennis, men's and women's track and field, women's soccer and women's volleyball.
"Although the committee commends the institution for self-discovering, investigating and reporting the textbook violations, it remains troubled, nonetheless, by the scope of the violations in this instance and by the institution's recent history of infractions cases," the NCAA said.
In men's tennis and men's and women's track, the individual records of 15 athletes identified as "intentional wrongdoers" will be vacated and team point totals from regular season, postseason and NCAA championship contests will be reconfigured, the NCAA said.
The NCAA said some 125 student athletes received benefits totaling less than $100 each.
The NCAA said the violations involving football players began at the start of the 2005 season; the university reported the violations after uncovering them during the '07 football season, when starting linemen Antoine Caldwell and Marlon Davis, running back Glen Coffee, and defensive backs Chris Rogers and Marquis Johnson were suspended for four games.
Under NCAA rules, the players would be ruled ineligible from when they first received the "extra benefits" and would have been ineligible until they were suspended and reinstated.
Alabama appeared before the Committee on Infractions on Feb. 20 to answer allegations of potentially major violations involving the improper disbursement of textbooks and "failure to adequately monitor" the textbook distribution process for student-athletes.
The violations occurred during the 2005-06 school year and into the fall of 2007. That left the university subject to potentially stiffer penalties as a repeat violator because the football program was placed on probation on Feb. 1, 2002.
The new case also reopens the five-year repeat violator window.
Saban replaced Shula as coach after the 2006 football season and suspended Caldwell, Coffee, Johnson, Rogers and Davis when the university uncovered the violations. The Tide were 5-2 at that point in the 2007 season, and their only wins in the next six games came against Tennessee, and in the Independence Bowl against Colorado.
The sanctions come at a time when Alabama fans were celebrating the program's return to national prominence. Saban led the Tide to a 12-0 regular-season record and a No. 1 ranking last season, before the team lost to Florida in the Southeastern Conference championship game and to Utah in the Sugar Bowl.
The university uncovered the violations after an Alabama Supply Store employee realized that an athlete had more than $1,600 in charges for the fall semester of 2007 and alerted university officials. Athletes get free textbooks with their scholarships, but some were accused of getting additional textbooks for other students.
Alabama has changed some of its procedures, including requiring compliance officials to be present when student-athletes pick up their books.
The university has said none of the textbooks or materials was used for profit or to get items not related to academics, and that the athletes involved who still have eligibility remaining have had to pay restitution.
Information from ESPN.com's Mark Schlabach and The Associated Press was used in this report.
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Depends on the night...
:popcorn:
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