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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUTailgatingRules on January 14, 2009, 12:54:19 PM
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First Nall goes to work for a trucking company and now
Ensminger takes High School QB coaching job
Published: January 13, 2009
Steve Ensminger has landed on his feet.
And he didn’t have to venture too far from home to make it happen, either.
The former Auburn University assistant will take over as the quarterbacks coach at Smiths Station High School, the Opelika-Auburn News has learned.
“Obviously, we’re thrilled to have him,” Smiths Station head coach Mark Rose said. “He’s a great football coach and a great guy. We just felt like he’s coached high school and we feel like he’d be a great fit on our staff.”
Efforts to reach Ensminger on Tuesday night were unsuccessful.
Ensminger, who spent six seasons at Auburn, took over as the Tigers’ offensive play-caller midway through the 2008 season after Tony Franklin was fired. Ensminger teamed with other assistants to reconfigure Auburn’s woeful offense during the stretch, but was largely unsuccessful.
The Tigers went 1-5 and averaged 296.6 total yards of offense over the final six games.
Ensminger, along with the rest of former coach Tommy Tuberville’s staff of assistants, was told to look for a new job when Gene Chizik was hired in early December. Linebackers coach James Willis was the only Tuberville assistant to retain his job.
Rose, who has coached in Alabama for 14 years, said he is close with many of the former assistants and has worked a number of summer camps with them. A four-year letterman under Pat Dye from 1986-89, Rose just wrapped up his first season at Smiths Station.
“I’ve known (Ensminger) for a while,” Rose said. “I thought it was a great opportunity and he was excited about it.”
Rose was unsure if Ensminger pursued any options at the collegiate level. Before he landed with Tuberville in 2003, Ensminger coached at two different Louisiana high schools from 2000-02.
All told, Ensminger has 24 years of coaching experience.
“I’ve got a bunch of great coaches and I think he’ll fit in great with us,” Rose said. “It’s kind of a different set of circumstances coaching high school and college. He definitely knows the difference.“
Rose said Tuesday night he had yet to tell his team about his newest hire, but some of them have “probably heard it through the grapevine.”
Ensminger will also teach P.E. at Smiths Station, Rose said.
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Wow, he couldn't even land a high school HC job? OC?
Sad.
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And this proves?
We all knew Fuckfinger was horrible. He was a HS coordinator before he came to AU (ostensibly to get his kid to sign) and he's gone back to what he was all along. Even when he was here.
This thread is what's pathetic.
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Has Greg Knox heard back from Taco Casa yet? I hear he might be the Asst. Manager.
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Tuberville is going to be the best head cashier Lowe's ever had.
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Has Greg Knox heard back from Taco Casa yet? I hear he might be the Asst. Manager.
Yeah. They gave him a simple assignment as a test. Draw up the routes for the counter help to get from the counter to the serving window and back.
One of them cut the route off short and dropped the tray in the floor. A second one went left when she should have gone right and knocked over the drink dispenser. The third had the tray for a second, but dropped it before he could complete the play. The fourth kid went long and slammed into the back wall, knocking himself unconscious.
They might still hire him. The manager blamed it on poor recruiting and said the counter help was young.
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Tuberville is going to be the best head cashier Lowe's ever had.
Honest prediction?
Tuberville will take this year off and then will bounce up to the pros. But if he takes a college job he will come back and whip the shit out of AU.
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There are actually a few gran lovers on the other site. One guy said he was the biggest reason for AU's rb success and the backs before his arrival weren't as significant (they were alreadygood and not coached up).
I was like, "okay, why didnt tenny snatch him up after the interview?". Looks like he's not a hotcommodity as much as someone who rode running back U as long as he could.
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There are actually a few gran lovers on the other site. One guy said he was the biggest reason for AU's rb success and the backs before his arrival weren't as significant (they were alreadygood and not coached up).
I was like, "okay, why didnt tenny snatch him up after the interview?". Looks like he's not a hotcommodity as much as someone who rode running back U as long as he could.
Please don't be a douchebag.
Gran was a quality running backs coach. He proved it at Ole Miss and he more than proved his worth at Auburn. More than.
This revisionist history is absolutely fucking SICKENING. It makes me sad that I'm an Auburn fan.
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Some of the coaches were good, I admit that. At the same time, some of the coaches were shitty smelly stinky...while the rest were smelly shitty stinky.
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Please don't be a douchebag.
Gran was a quality running backs coach. He proved it at Ole Miss and he more than proved his worth at Auburn. More than.
This revisionist history is absolutely fucking SICKENING. It makes me sad that I'm an Auburn fan.
Sometimes I'm sad that you're an Auburn fan too.
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Please don't be a douchebag.
Gran was a quality running backs coach. He proved it at Ole Miss and he more than proved his worth at Auburn. More than.
This revisionist history is absolutely fucking SICKENING. It makes me sad that I'm an Auburn fan.
How about this for revisionist history: Our offensive staff was well offensive
Taken from another site
Gran - UT interview, no job (the best of the bunch) & probably unfairly being grouped with the others
Ensminger - Smith Station QB coach (what?)
Nall - Truckin n' Stuff
Knox - still unemployed
Franklin - back to hustling HS coaches
As compared to the coaches on defense:
Rhoades - HC at ISU
Willis - retained at AU
Dunn/Price - got jobs at ISU
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How about this for revisionist history: Our offensive staff was well offensive
Taken from another site
Gran - UT interview, no job (the best of the bunch) & probably unfairly being grouped with the others
Ensminger - Smith Station QB coach (what?)
Nall - Truckin n' Stuff
Knox - still unemployed
Franklin - back to hustling HS coaches
As compared to the coaches on defense:
Rhoades - HC at ISU
Willis - retained at AU
Dunn/Price - got jobs at ISU
My reply was in reference to Gran only. I've made no bones about my disdain for Franklin, Fuckfinger or the Chocolate Elf. Nall was a pissed off old man at the end.
But if you want to argue that Gran was a crappy RB coach, then we're going to be here a while. Because I won't let that one slide. Not only was he a good RB coach, but he was a quality guy. Not getting a job at Tennessee (and you don't know if they chose not to hire him or the situation wasn't right and he elected to wait) doesn't make one bit of difference.
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My reply was in reference to Gran only. I've made no bones about my disdain for Franklin, Fuckfinger or the Chocolate Elf. Nall was a pissed off old man at the end.
But if you want to argue that Gran was a crappy RB coach, then we're going to be here a while. Because I won't let that one slide. Not only was he a good RB coach, but he was a quality guy. Not getting a job at Tennessee (and you don't know if they chose not to hire him or the situation wasn't right and he elected to wait) doesn't make one bit of difference.
This argument has never been solely about Gran, it is simply that the current offensive staff that chizik has assembled is on paper a much more talented staff. The simple fact that all of the current assistants were at least sought after by more than just AU is in and of itself a big step up in perception.
I will go one step further by arguing that the quality of the product put on the field depends much more on the ability of the assitants to coach, rather than the name of the Head Coach. If the assistants are sub par, the end results will be sub par.
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Please don't be a douchebag.
Gran was a quality running backs coach. He proved it at Ole Miss and he more than proved his worth at Auburn. More than.
This revisionist history is absolutely fucking SICKENING. It makes me sad that I'm an Auburn fan.
Don't worry I wouldn't step on your toes, mr. king of the whiny assed, soul aching douchebags. I guess it's asking a bit too much of you to accurately interpret what someone is saying before you fly off the handle.
I'm not saying he wasn't a good coach. I'm just saying if he's so fucking great, why hasn't he been hired yet? The posters on the AU site were referring to him as something near the 2nd coming of rb coaches. I took exception to that and still do. That is what I was saying. The tuberville regime has survived everwhere its been by being superior recruiters. The coaching is suspect to say the least on the offensive side. Yes, gran did a good job of turning 4 and five star recruits into successful rb's. Someone should snatch him up any second now.
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This argument has never been solely about Gran, it is simply that the current offensive staff that chizik has assembled is on paper a much more talented staff. The simple fact that all of the current assistants were at least sought after by more than just AU is in and of itself a big step up in perception.
Woah, I gotta step in on this one, Time out (http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/r/referee-smile.gif) AUTail. How would you prove that even on paper? Tubs was 85-40 with the majority of that staff.
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:blink:
Holy crap - this entire board needs some Prozac, myself included...
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:blink:
Holy crap - this entire board needs some Prozac, myself included...
Does that come in Viagra flavor?
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:blink:
Holy crap - this entire board needs some Prozac, myself included...
Well pass'em out. I'll take Wes's share as well.
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Does that come in Viagra flavor?
I only take viagra because I like the taste.
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I'm not saying he wasn't a good coach. I'm just saying if he's so fucking great, why hasn't he been hired yet?
That's a ridiculous argument.
That shitty Bill Cowher. Why hasn't that sorry bastard been hired yet if he was so fucking great?
Reeeediculous.
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Woah, I gotta step in on this one, Time out (http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/r/referee-smile.gif) AUTail. How would you prove that even on paper? Tubs was 85-40 with the majority of that staff.
So are you sayng that Knox, Ensminger, Nall, and Gran are better than our current staff? I have to say that Tuberville got to 85-40 on the strength of the defensive side of the ball. Our offense on Paper and in Person has sucked since 2004. Were we not like #100 or something like that on the offensive side of the ball?
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I only take viagra because I like the tastecock.
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This argument has never been solely about Gran, it is simply that the current offensive staff that chizik has assembled is on paper a much more talented staff. The simple fact that all of the current assistants were at least sought after by more than just AU is in and of itself a big step up in perception.
I will go one step further by arguing that the quality of the product put on the field depends much more on the ability of the assitants to coach, rather than the name of the Head Coach. If the assistants are sub par, the end results will be sub par.
And again I say that my reply was specifically talking about Gran. Period. Because the post to which it responded was a specific slam towards Gran.
What you're talking about isn't what I was.
I love paper football. It bears so much resemblance to the real thing.
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And again I say that my reply was specifically talking about Gran. Period. Because the post to which it responded was a specific slam towards Gran.
What you're talking about isn't what I was.
I love paper football. It bears so much resemblance to the real thing.
I could kick a 50 yard field goal with a paper football back in Elementary School.
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So are you sayng that Knox, Ensminger, Nall, and Gran are better than our current staff?
No actually if you read what I wrote what I am saying is how can you prove otherwise. They haven't even played a game. Real or on paper?!? This staff could be the biggest joke of all time, how do we know?
I have to say that Tuberville got to 85-40 on the strength of the defensive side of the ball.
Last time I checked it took both sides to win a ball game.
Our offense on Paper and in Person has sucked since 2004. Were we not like #100 or something like that on the offensive side of the ball?
Not really sure what your point is here, if I remember correctly the only assistant that anyone ever bitched about was Greg Knox. We were still winning.
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Not really sure what your point is here, if I remember correctly the only assistant that anyone ever bitched about was Greg Knox. We were still winning.
My only point is that you have to give credit to Chiz for surprising us with what looks like a pretty good staff and quite an upgrade on the offensive side of the ball. It may not turn out that way once the season starts but there is plenty of room for excitement in the hires.
As for not bitching about anyone other than knox, I have seen multiple rants about Ensminger, Nall, Franklin, Borges (2006 & 2007), and Tuberville.
I happen to fall in the camp of being pleasantly surprised by the quality of assistant that Chiz has hired and will continue to hope that it will show on the field until proved otherwise.
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Looks promising
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My only point is that you have to give credit to Chiz for surprising us with what looks like a pretty good staff and quite an upgrade on the offensive side of the ball. It may not turn out that way once the season starts but there is plenty of room for excitement in the hires.
I happen to fall in the camp of being pleasantly surprised by the quality of assistant that Chiz has hired and will continue to hope that it will show on the field until proved otherwise.
I take no issue with that, I am anxious to see this staff work together as well. However, what you originally said, seemed a bit overboard seeing as how no game has ever been played. I certainly hope that you are right.
As for not bitching about anyone other than knox, I have seen multiple rants about Ensminger, Nall, Franklin, Borges (2006 & 2007), and Tuberville.
I meant this season, and everyone (myself included, Kaos not included) thought that Franklin was the second coming after the Peach Bowl. As we all did with Borges after 04' and so on and so on. I guess I am just taking a once bitten twice shy approach this time.
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My opinion is Gran is a solid RB coach, good recruiter and great man. No reason why he won't land a job with a top level program. Anyone saying he looked good because of great talent is off base IMO. A major part of your job as an assistant coach is recruiting. Whether or not he specifically recruited each running back doesn't matter. The position coach is definitely going to meet with a kid before he signs.
Nall...I've said many times his lines haven't blocked a damn soul the last 2-3 years. Cox enjoyed every one of those 30+ sacks in 06'.
Knox and Empstinger....PFFFFF.
Look, these guys all had more than their share of success at Auburn. My argument was that this staff, starting at the top, had grown complacent since 04'. It showed in most phases of the program, possibly with the exception of defense. The recruiting has been way down and the overall direction of the program has been a Chinese fire drill. There have been some great coaches on this staff, including Thomas Hawley Tuberville. But, when the chemistry and the drive aren't there anymore, it's time for a change.
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I'd rather have Luper than Gran.
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My opinion is Gran is a solid RB coach, good recruiter and great man. No reason why he won't land a job with a top level program. Anyone saying he looked good because of great talent is off base IMO. A major part of your job as an assistant coach is recruiting. Whether or not he specifically recruited each running back doesn't matter. The position coach is definitely going to meet with a kid before he signs.
Nall...I've said many times his lines haven't blocked a damn soul the last 2-3 years. Cox enjoyed every one of those 30+ sacks in 06'.
Knox and Empstinger....PFFFFF.
Look, these guys all had more than their share of success at Auburn. My argument was that this staff, starting at the top, had grown complacent since 04'. It showed in most phases of the program, possibly with the exception of defense. The recruiting has been way down and the overall direction of the program has been a Chinese fire drill. There have been some great coaches on this staff, including Thomas Hawley Tuberville. But, when the chemistry and the drive aren't there anymore, it's time for a change.
+1
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That's a ridiculous argument.
That shitty Bill Cowher. Why hasn't that sorry bastard been hired yet if he was so fucking great?
Reeeediculous.
Well, he's looking, unlike cowher. He interviewed with tenny. They obviously passed. Bill cowher is making at least six and more likely 7 figures being an analyst and doesnt need the money. Cowher walked away as opposed to getting the axe. Chizik could have kept gran like he did willis. Cowher has stated he isn't ready to return to coaching, but will have his pick of the litter when he is ready.
You are trying to start a different argument here than what I stated to begin with. Quite poorly I might add with the cowher comparison. If eddie gran is the absolute shiznit that some people were declaring he was, then why is he looking for work yet unemployed?
Like I said REPEATEDLY, I'm not saying he's not a decent coach. Even said the staff, including him, was great at recruiting. He just doesn't overly impress me. Name one average recruit he turned into a big overachiever. Apparently, at least lane kiffin agrees with me for now.
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Well, he's looking, unlike cowher. He interviewed with tenny. They obviously passed. Bill cowher is making at least six and more likely 7 figures being an analyst and doesnt need the money. Cowher walked away as opposed to getting the axe. Chizik could have kept gran like he did willis. Cowher has stated he isn't ready to return to coaching, but will have his pick of the litter when he is ready.
You are trying to start a different argument here than what I stated to begin with. Quite poorly I might add with the cowher comparison. If eddie gran is the absolute shiznit that some people were declaring he was, then why is he looking for work yet unemployed?
Like I said REPEATEDLY, I'm not saying he's not a decent coach. He just doesn't overly impress me. Apparently, at least lane kiffin agrees with me for now.
Your point holds no water. None whatsoever.
Gran applied for ONE job. ONE. Who says HE didn't decide it wasn't for him. That's the only place he's looked. Maybe he's happy sitting it out a year and waiting to see where Tommy ends up. Maybe he'd have an OC slot there.
You're making ridiculous assumptions and propping up a theory that won't bear the weight of a mosquito egg. It's asinine.
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Whats your theory? He is so incredibly great that he hasn't found a job?
You are trying to force an argument on me so you can declare victory and it's getting sad on your end.
ONE LAST TIME HOPEFULLY. I Have already said GRAN IS A GOOD COACH AND REALLY GOOD RECRUITER. Have stated that I don't think he is the superman of rb coaches or someone would have snatched him up by now. It is an opinion. Couldn't care less whether you agree or not.
Okay, reshape the argument again and bang your victory drum if you must.
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Your point holds no water. None whatsoever.
Gran applied for ONE job. ONE. Who says HE didn't decide it wasn't for him. That's the only place he's looked. Maybe he's happy sitting it out a year and waiting to see where Tommy ends up. Maybe he'd have an OC slot there.
You're making ridiculous assumptions and propping up a theory that won't bear the weight of a mosquito egg. It's asinine.
I would say that Gran possibly turning down the UT job to wait and see if Tubs will give him an OC job might be the most incredibly stupid assumption/reasoning ever to written on this board.
Now I know you must be off your meds
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Whats your theory? He is so incredibly great that he hasn't found a job?
You are trying to force an argument on me so you can declare victory and it's getting sad on your end.
ONE LAST TIME HOPEFULLY. I Have already said GRAN IS A GOOD COACH AND REALLY GOOD RECRUITER. Have stated that I don't think he is the superman of rb coaches or someone would have snatched him up by now. It is an opinion. Couldn't care less whether you agree or not.
Okay, reshape the argument again and bang your victory drum if you must.
My theory is that you don't know shit and are making broad unsupportable leaps of logic. That's my theory in a nutshell.
You are using the point that Eddie Gran has yet to take a coaching position elsewhere to validate your opinion that he must not be "the schiznit."
That's ridiculous. All you know is that he talked to Tennessee and didn't take a job there. That could mean any number of things, only one of which is that he was rejected.
You don't think Bill Cowher's looking for the right opportunity? That he wouldn't take a job he thought was a good fit?
Can you say for certain that Eddie isn't waiting for the right job to come along? You ever considered where his daughter is FUCKING BURIED? That he might not want to move a long way from that and for that reason ruled out a ton of possible places?
Even an opinion should have some basis to support it. Yours doesn't. Now go fist a dog.
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:popcorn: "Debates" are fun!
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I would say that Gran possibly turning down the UT job to wait and see if Tubs will give him an OC job might be the most incredibly stupid assumption/reasoning ever to written on this board.
Now I know you must be off your meds
Do you KNOW that this isn't the case? Unless you do then it's just as potentially viable as "he fuckin' sucks and isn't the schiznit because he couldnt' get a job at Tennessee".
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:popcorn: "Debates" are fun!
See bitch? It ain't just you. I got the armor on. :thumbsup:
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I got the armor on. :thumbsup:
It's deflecting pretty well. Top quality material I must say.
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Do you KNOW that this isn't the case? Unless you do then it's just as potentially viable as "he fuckin' sucks and isn't the schiznit because he couldnt' get a job at Tennessee".
BTW did you like the emails?
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BTW did you like the emails?
Haven't gotten to them yet brother.
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Haven't gotten to them yet brother.
Check your yahoo, I sent them a couple hours ago
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Check your yahoo, I sent them a couple hours ago
(http://i43.tinypic.com/116uoas.jpg)
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BTW did you like the emails?
:tongue: I did...I did.
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My theory is that you don't know shit and are making broad unsupportable leaps of logic. That's my theory in a nutshell.
Ah, yes it's a broad unsupportable leap of logic to assume that Gran doesn't have a job because he CAN'T get a fucking job rather than to make the logical assumption that after interviewing for UT he decided he was too good for the Vols. Or that his situation is anything like Bill Cowher's as if if Cowher interviewed for an assistant position at UT, they'd turn him down...
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Ah, yes it's a broad unsupportable leap of logic to assume that Gran doesn't have a job because he CAN'T get a fucking job rather than to make the logical assumption that after interviewing for UT he decided he was too good for the Vols. Or that his situation is anything like Bill Cowher's as if if Cowher interviewed for an assistant position at UT, they'd turn him down...
To assume that he CAN'T get a job because he either didn't get or didn't take the one job he interviewed for is an absurd logical leap. It's not supportable.
Twist away.
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Obviously Gran doesn't need a job because his buddy, Tommy, hooked him up with a sweet state pension. He can afford to be choosy and turn down plum jobs like Tennessee.
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To assume that he CAN'T get a job because he either didn't get or didn't take the one job he interviewed for is an absurd logical leap. It's not supportable.
Twist away.
To assume tht Gran turned down the UT Job is an absurd ILLOGICAL leap. Please inform us when someone else comes knocking down his door. He may have been a good coach for us and Ole Miss but it seems as though he is short on opportunities now. Maybe the economy is holding him back?
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To assume tht Gran turned down the UT Job is an absurd ILLOGICAL leap. Please inform us when someone else comes knocking down his door. He may have been a good coach for us and Ole Miss but it seems as though he is short on opportunities now. Maybe the economy is holding him back?
Fuck. Here we fucking go again.
MY STATEMENT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY LOGICAL OR PROVABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. IT ONLY HAS TO BE POSSIBLE.
You said that the fact that Gran does not have a job today is evidence of his shittiness as a coach. You said it. You have to prove it. I don't have to prove that it's patently false, ALL I FUCKING HAVE TO DO IS OFFER A REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE ALTERNATE EXPLANATION.
And it's remotely plausible that he decided not to take the Tennessee job because his daughter is buried in Auburn and he doesn't want to leave.
Over. The war is over and you are Japan.
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Obviously Gran doesn't need a job because his buddy, Tommy, hooked him up with a sweet state pension. He can afford to be choosy and turn down plum jobs like Tennessee.
And you know this man!
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Fuck. Here we fucking go again.
MY STATEMENT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY LOGICAL OR PROVABLE IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. IT ONLY HAS TO BE POSSIBLE.
You said that the fact that Gran does not have a job today is evidence of his shittiness as a coach. You said it. You have to prove it. I don't have to prove that it's patently false, ALL I FUCKING HAVE TO DO IS OFFER A REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE ALTERNATE EXPLANATION.
And it's remotely plausible that he decided not to take the Tennessee job because his daughter is buried in Auburn and he doesn't want to leave.
Over. The war is over and you are Japan.
I am currently NOT fucking Eva Mendez. This is logically because she begged me to and offered to do things with her tongue and throat that I couldn't even imagine, but I said that I was not interested because I instead preferred masturbation. The burden of proof is on YOU to prove otherwise.
I'm sorry, your argument is easily in the top 5 most fallacious I have seen on a message board, which is pathetic. Especially coming from you.
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Eddie Gran sucks!
As a special teams coach. I wish they would have found another guy that didn't coach the one thin AU is know for (RBs), to coach special teams. That had to be one Tubs dumbest decisions. UNLESS. the rest of the coaches were so bad they couldn't do better.
Gran was a good RB coach. Unfortunately he gets lumped in with the rest of the bunch. That makes his stock go down a bit too. It's just the nature of the business. I am glad that the house was cleaned on that side of the ball. Hate it for Gran, but we needed it.
Not sure if other schools will come calling or if he just wants to stay close. I bet Coach Rose has already talked to him.....
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:tongue: I did...I did.
Dude...tell me that Indian Chick didn't really look like Paris Hilton. With larger ta-tas, of course.
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Dude...tell me that Indian Chick didn't really look like Paris Hilton. With larger ta-tas, of course.
And a hairy taint
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And a hairy taint
Not as hairy as Demi
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Honestly, I'm still a bit shaken by that Swamp Thing between her legs.
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Honestly, I'm still a bit shaken by that Swamp Thing between her legs.
Just imagine what the person thought when she finally went to the spa and said "could you give me a brazilian wax". Imagine how much that had to hurt
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Looked like a yeti.
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Looked like a yeti.
Why am I not on this email list?
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Looked like a yeti.
So it has yellow teeth?!?! Good lord.... Wait, I'm probably thinking of another type of Yeti...
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Why am I not on this email list?
Cause you didn't raise your hand when the class was asked.
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My theory is that you don't know shit and are making broad unsupportable leaps of logic. That's my theory in a nutshell.
You are using the point that Eddie Gran has yet to take a coaching position elsewhere to validate your opinion that he must not be "the schiznit."
That's ridiculous. All you know is that he talked to Tennessee and didn't take a job there. That could mean any number of things, only one of which is that he was rejected.
You don't think Bill Cowher's looking for the right opportunity? That he wouldn't take a job he thought was a good fit?
Can you say for certain that Eddie isn't waiting for the right job to come along? You ever considered where his daughter is FUCKING BURIED? That he might not want to move a long way from that and for that reason ruled out a ton of possible places?
Even an opinion should have some basis to support it. Yours doesn't. Now go fist a dog.
Once again you are crafting an argument for me that I am not making. I don't understand how I can make what I have said any simpler for you to understand.
I've never said gran may not be waiting for the right job. He may very well be. People on another board were saying that gran was basically the god of rb coaches. I differed. Have said repeatedly he is a good coach and a very good recruiter.
What I have said is that if he were the absolute shit that some have tried to make him out to be, something would have opened up for him. He wouldn't be there long waiting for something.
Your cowher analogies are just plain stupid. The guy won a super fucking bowl as a head coach. Gran is a rb coach. Cowher has more reason to bide his time and not rush into a job.
Gran was an rb coach on a staff that went up in flames. If he's cherry picking too hard he must be well off financially from his time on the plains.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a job soon.
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Where do you find one of these "super fucking bowls" of which you speak? I just happen to have a lot of super fucking candy and things I could use this for.
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Why am I not on this email list?
I just caught you up with the last couple weeks worth
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I just caught you up with the last couple weeks worth
Well we won't be reading anything from BK for a while. :taunt:
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Once again you are crafting an argument for me that I am not making. I don't understand how I can make what I have said any simpler for you to understand.
I've never said gran may not be waiting for the right job. He may very well be. People on another board were saying that gran was basically the god of rb coaches. I differed. Have said repeatedly he is a good coach and a very good recruiter.
What I have said is that if he were the absolute shit that some have tried to make him out to be, something would have opened up for him. He wouldn't be there long waiting for something.
Your cowher analogies are just plain stupid. The guy won a super fucking bowl as a head coach. Gran is a rb coach. Cowher has more reason to bide his time and not rush into a job.
Gran was an rb coach on a staff that went up in flames. If he's cherry picking too hard he must be well off financially from his time on the plains.
I wouldn't be surprised to see him get a job soon.
Your argument is that "if Gran were all that, he would have gotten another job." Did I misstate your position?
And I reply -- again -- that using whether or not he has a job at this point (a month from the end of his association with Auburn) as the measuring stick of his quality fails. It is in no way a reflection on his performance or lack thereof. There could be a hundred different explanations for the fact that he hasn't taken (or so far as anyone can ascertain really even looked for) a job.
Therefore your statement is bogus. In fact, if you'll notice in your reply above you completely gutted your own position. Funny how that works.
The end.
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Maybe Coach Gran is waiting for an Offensive Coordinator job to open up? He's coached his RBs in 4-5 different styles of offenses....I would've liked to seen Coach Gran as the OC over Fucksinger or Nallsminger. I'm kinda surprised that he hasn't landed the job at Iowa State, but he probably realizes that ISU is a grave yard right now. Like it was stated before, I would be highly surprised if he isn't coaching somewhere next year. I just think that Coach Gran is wanting a coaching job at a program that's similar to the Tennessee job, meaning the type of prestige that Tenn. is. Where ever he lands, I'll be pulling for him.
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I just caught you up with the last couple weeks worth
You are the man!!!
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Your argument is that "if Gran were all that, he would have gotten another job." Did I misstate your position?
And I reply -- again -- that using whether or not he has a job at this point (a month from the end of his association with Auburn) as the measuring stick of his quality fails. It is in no way a reflection on his performance or lack thereof. There could be a hundred different explanations for the fact that he hasn't taken (or so far as anyone can ascertain really even looked for) a job.
Therefore your statement is bogus. In fact, if you'll notice in your reply above you completely gutted your own position. Funny how that works.
The end.
You are so funny. Obviously you can't comprehend what I am trying to communicate with you.
Anyways, there is a thread on another board that tenny actually picked gran up. So my new position is that if Gran were basically the God of rb coaches that a few think he is, it wouldn't have taken tenny so long to decide to hire him.
You are making one argument and trying to force another on me. The guy is good, no one has said he isn't. I'm just saying all along that he isn't the Jesus of rb coaches imo. AU and our rb's will be fine without him.
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You are so funny. Obviously you can't comprehend what I am trying to communicate with you.
Anyways, there is a thread on another board that tenny actually picked gran up. So my new position is that if Gran were basically the God of rb coaches that a few think he is, it wouldn't have taken tenny so long to decide to hire him.
You are making one argument and trying to force another on me. The guy is good, no one has said he isn't. I'm just saying all along that he isn't the Jesus of rb coaches imo. AU and our rb's will be fine without him.
Do you want me to back up and post your original statement again?
You are changing your argument in mid-stream yet again. But that's okay. Lane Kiffin bitch-slapped your original point anyway. Terry Price just nut-punted the remainder of your erroneous stance to Afghanistan.
Everybody knew that Stinkfinger and Knox were awful. Everybody knew that Nall was burned out. Had Tuberville stayed all three of them would have been reassigned or pushed out.
And that's where it ends.
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Had Tuberville stayed all three of them would have been reassigned or pushed out.
And that's where it ends.
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Is that what Tuberville told you before he left/was fired?
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Had Tuberville stayed all three of them would have been reassigned or pushed out.
And that's where it ends.
Is that what Tuberville told you before he left/was fired?
Lose one argument and crawl scratching and bleeding up to make another? Ha ha ha. You remind me of Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke. Lay down, Luke, just lay down.
No, Tuberville didn't tell me that. Suzanne did. Oooops! Dammit.
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I, along with many others, have recently teabagged your inside source.
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Do you want me to back up and post your original statement again?
You are changing your argument in mid-stream yet again. But that's okay. Lane Kiffin bitch-slapped your original point anyway. Terry Price just nut-punted the remainder of your erroneous stance to Afghanistan.
Everybody knew that Stinkfinger and Knox were awful. Everybody knew that Nall was burned out. Had Tuberville stayed all three of them would have been reassigned or pushed out.
And that's where it ends.
Obviously, kiffin got several no's before deciding to go with gran. Kudos to gran though. I'm glad he got a good job.
I'll admit my original post was a bit over the top. It was more in response to the deification some seem to have with gran as a rb coach. I didn't and don't see it. The guy is good and a really good recruiter. Like I said, we'll be fine without him.
I'd be surprised if he is as successful at UT afa producing big name backs, but if he is I'll take my hat off to him.
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Lose one argument and crawl scratching and bleeding up to make another? Ha ha ha. You remind me of Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke. Lay down, Luke, just lay down.
No, Tuberville didn't tell me that. Suzanne did. Oooops! Dammit.
How did I lose my argument? My argument was in regards to the offensive staff in it's entirety.
BTW is Gran planning on exhuming his daughter and moving her to Tenn. Wasn't the proximity to his dead daughter one of arguments for not taking a job yet?
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How did I lose my argument? My argument was in regards to the offensive staff in it's entirety.
BTW is Gran planning on exhuming his daughter and moving her to Tenn. Wasn't the proximity to his dead daughter one of arguments for not taking a job yet?
That's just sick. Sick, sick, sick. Don't you DARE talk about our former offensive staff like that.
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Obviously, kiffin got several no's before deciding to go with gran. Kudos to gran though. I'm glad he got a good job.
I'll admit my original post was a bit over the top. It was more in response to the deification some seem to have with gran as a rb coach. I didn't and don't see it. The guy is good and a really good recruiter. Like I said, we'll be fine without him.
I'd be surprised if he is as successful at UT afa producing big name backs, but if he is I'll take my hat off to him.
Obviously my fucking ass.
Were you in on the interviews? Can you provide me with a list of coaches who turned down Tennessee?
Christ at the logical hoops people around here jump through.
We'll be fine without him. We'd have been fine with him. Gran wasn't the problem.
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How did I lose my argument? My argument was in regards to the offensive staff in it's entirety.
BTW is Gran planning on exhuming his daughter and moving her to Tenn. Wasn't the proximity to his dead daughter one of arguments for not taking a job yet?
GAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWW DAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM it.
I was like, "okay, why didnt tenny snatch him up after the interview?". Looks like he's not a hotcommodity as much as someone who rode running back U as long as he could.
You see that quote right there?
I'm not saying he wasn't a good coach. I'm just saying if he's so fucking great, why hasn't he been hired yet?
And that one there? They come from page one. They are in reference to Eddie Gran. I've never referenced any other coaches. I don't know who in the fuck you were arguing with, but it certainly wasn't me.
I told you in about 10 different posts that my only source of contention with what was said was in reference to Gran not being worth a shit because he hadn't taken a job yet.
That's it. Beginning and end. There was nothing else. I argued no other points. You guys were the ones spinning out in space talking about Stinkfinger and who the fuck knows what else. None of it was relevant to the point you lost. I never wavered. I swear to God, this is simple. I say the same thing over and over waiting for it to sink in. Why is it so hard to grasp?
It was said that Gran not being at Tennessee where he interviewed was proof that he wasn't worth a shit. I offered a dozen different possibilities other than his general coaching shittiness, one of which was the location of his daughter's burial plot. Any of them were plausible.
I'm sorry to see that he's going to the extreme of having her exhumed, though. That makes me sad.
Not once in any of the six fucking pages of this thread has my argument been with anything else.
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Obviously my fucking ass.
Were you in on the interviews? Can you provide me with a list of coaches who turned down Tennessee?
Christ at the logical hoops people around here jump through.
We'll be fine without him. We'd have been fine with him. Gran wasn't the problem.
Who said gran was the problem? Who said we wouldn't have been fine with him? You are a master re-crafter.
I knew the obviously would get you. :clap: No, it's not obvious. I'm sure it took like a month for the urinalysis to come back or something like that.
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Had Tuberville stayed all three of them would have been reassigned or pushed out.
To turn your own argumentative strategy on you: back up your assertion.
I can provide at least one plausible (and, by your own admission, that's the standard) to blow it out of the water:
Ensminger, Knox and Nall could have all promised to coach extra hard next year to avoid the axe.
That's where it ends.
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To turn your own argumentative strategy on you: back up your assertion.
I can provide at least one plausible (and, by your own admission, that's the standard) to blow it out of the water:
Ensminger, Knox and Nall could have all promised to coach extra hard next year to avoid the axe.
That's where it ends.
Irrelevant. Arguing topics not in question.
Case closed. Five pages ago.
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Irrelevant. Arguing topics not in question.
Case closed. Five pages ago.
Kaos, Your weekend life must be as exciting as mine. What the hell are you doing on the net at 11:30 on a Saturday night?
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Just bored. Doing some work and reading some of this unbelievable stuff.
Going to do two columns tomorrow. One on carrolls two faced BCS stance. And another on the Chiz fallout and the three or four camps.
I think Prowler and GW represent the two extremes and both are just as unhinged. Prowler, in particular, has lost his mind. He's trying to convince people that Whoopi Goldberg is Eva Mendes. Most of the rest of us are between those two extremes. I will say that from everything I've heard the number of militant supporters like prowler is in the low single digits. Like less than 1%.
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Just bored. Doing some work and reading some of this unbelievable stuff.
Going to do two columns tomorrow. One on carrolls two faced BCS stance. And another on the Chiz fallout and the three or four camps.
I think Prowler and GW represent the two extremes and both are just as unhinged. Prowler, in particular, has lost his mind. He's trying to convince people that Whoopi Goldberg is Eva Mendes. Most of the rest of us are between those two extremes. I will say that from everything I've heard the number of militant supporters like prowler is in the low single digits. Like less than 1%.
The Prowler thing may be true, however if you talk to most of the AU fans ( most of them don't frequent message boards) I think you will find that the overwhelmong sentiment is both pro Auburn and Pro Chizik right now. There are enough positives to make the average AU fan optimistic. I just ask as our resident "journalist" that you take that into account.
War Eagle,
AUTR
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I'm always fair.
Prowler is the only person I've talked to anywhere in any capacity who's gung fucking chizik ho.
Most don't like the hire, have concerns but have resigned themselves to seeing how it plays out -- since there really isn't any other choice. They are encouraged that the new staff seems solid and that there is alleged movement in recruiting.
I just don't sense a huge pro chiz groundswell but the number of people standing on the bridge ready to jump has decreased.
If chiz shits the bed though? There won't be much patience. Greasy will look like a peacenik then!!!
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I'm always fair.
Prowler is the only person I've talked to anywhere in any capacity who's gung fucking chizik ho.
Most don't like the hire, have concerns but have resigned themselves to seeing how it plays out -- since there really isn't any other choice. They are encouraged that the new staff seems solid and that there is alleged movement in recruiting.
I just don't sense a huge pro chiz groundswell but the number of people standing on the bridge ready to jump has decreased.
If chiz shits the bed though? There won't be much patience. Greasy will look like a peacenik then!!!
Unfortunately the greaseys of the world make more noise than the average fan. It is unfair to crucify Chiz if we lose a game early next year that we were suppose to win ( after all that was allways the knock on Tommy) while not waiting to see the finished product by years end.
The only thing that concerns me with the attitude that you and Greasy have shown is that we may very well show many signs of improvement that the record may not show and you guys (the loud critics) may put us even many more years behind the 8 ball.
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Can't speak for GW but you misjudge me.
He gets whatever credit he earns.
Important to note at this point, though, that if Tuberville had remained, nothing less than 9 wins would have been acceptable, particularly considering the amount of returning talent.
Chiz does not get a pass. He isn't starting from ground zero and if he starts trying to peddle that load of shit I will wash my hands of him completely.
He doesn't get a couple of mulligan seasons. He better hit it running
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The reasons why I'm backing Coach Chizik is because I know he's a Great Coach (albeit his two year HC record at a Cesspool doesn't reflect that), he has hired some Really Good to Great Coaches that happen to be Really Good to Great Recruiters, and the fact that You (kaos) and greaseydick have been on here basically blasting Coach Chizik from the get go and have yet to let up. If you and your little buddy would just open your fuckin' eyes and realize that Coach Chizik is more than just (5-19) and that there's a possibility that he could do great things at Auburn. But, NO....your vendetta against JJ has gotten in the way of that kind of thinking
So when I say, "Hey, Coach Chizik is actually a Great Coach", people, like yourself, come back with, "You don't know anything about football...you wouldn't know a good coach if he came up on your doorstep"....Really? If Coach Chizik was just an average coach, then why would ISU propose a 2 year extension to his contract, after he went (5-19)? Why would Texas want him back as DC and extremely possible HCIW after the '07 year?
Also, how many people here were fuckin' Pissed when Coach Chizik left, not only that he took a lateral move, but that he was that good of a coach and Auburn let him get away? Being that I know a thing or two about football, I knew that CTT is a Great Coach, he was the one that made the hire, and I felt that he would bring in another coach that was almost as good as Coach Chizik....Funny thing, there was one coach that was on the list of possible replacments for CGC, but at the time, he was in his third year as the HC at Duke. I didn't want to see CGC go, because I knew how great of a coach that he was. I was pissed that he took a lateral move and that he stated that he felt he could get a HC job quicker at Texas than at Auburn. But what do I know about football.
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Irrelevant. Arguing topics not in question.
Case closed. Five pages ago.
I'd have a lot more respect for your argument, no matter how tangential the issue, if you played by the same rules that you insist that your oppents observe.
You made a bullshit, baseless assertion that you can't support (much like you've beat the shit out of Chopper for doing) and I think that it's only fair that you be held to the the same logic standard.
Own that or lose your logical/moral high ground.
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I'd have a lot more respect for your argument, no matter how tangential the issue, if you played by the same rules that you insist that your oppents observe.
You made a bullshit, baseless assertion that you can't support (much like you've beat the shit out of Chopper for doing) and I think that it's only fair that you be held to the the same logic standard.
Own that or lose your logical/moral high ground.
You're going to have to go back and show me the context. I don't even remember where that came from or what it was in reply to. If it was used as a possibility to counter another cockeyed theory, it only has to meet the burden of being plausible, it doesn't have to be proveable. Reasonable doubt.
I'd go back and look it up to see, but I'm still in the floor laughing at anybody calling Chiz a "great" coach.
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The reasons why I'm backing Coach Chizik is because I know he's a Great Coach (albeit his two year HC record at a Cesspool doesn't reflect that), he has hired some Really Good to Great Coaches that happen to be Really Good to Great Recruiters, and the fact that You (kaos) and greaseydick have been on here basically blasting Coach Chizik from the get go and have yet to let up. If you and your little buddy would just open your fuckin' eyes and realize that Coach Chizik is more than just (5-19) and that there's a possibility that he could do great things at Auburn. But, NO....your vendetta against JJ has gotten in the way of that kind of thinking
So when I say, "Hey, Coach Chizik is actually a Great Coach", people, like yourself, come back with, "You don't know anything about football...you wouldn't know a good coach if he came up on your doorstep"....Really? If Coach Chizik was just an average coach, then why would ISU propose a 2 year extension to his contract, after he went (5-19)? Why would Texas want him back as DC and extremely possible HCIW after the '07 year?
Also, how many people here were fuckin' Pissed when Coach Chizik left, not only that he took a lateral move, but that he was that good of a coach and Auburn let him get away? Being that I know a thing or two about football, I knew that CTT is a Great Coach, he was the one that made the hire, and I felt that he would bring in another coach that was almost as good as Coach Chizik....Funny thing, there was one coach that was on the list of possible replacments for CGC, but at the time, he was in his third year as the HC at Duke. I didn't want to see CGC go, because I knew how great of a coach that he was. I was pissed that he took a lateral move and that he stated that he felt he could get a HC job quicker at Texas than at Auburn. But what do I know about football.
Being that a lot of people know a thing or two about football, you don't have the only legitimate viewpoint.
Elite programs hire elite coaches. Second-rate programs roll the dice on experiments, take chances on rejects, give mulligans to inferior candidates.
With this hire, Jay Jacobs clearly indicated what he believes Auburn to be.
I will never, ever get over that.
Winners win. They don't have to make a thousand excuses for why they didn't. What was Bowling Green before Urban Meyer got there? Any idea?
They were 5-6, 4-7, 3-8, 5-6, 5-6 and 2-9 in the six years before he got there. They were 8-3 and 9-3 in his two seasons as head coach. When he left, they went 11-3 and 9-3 on his recruits before sliding back to 6-5, 4-8.
What was TCU before Patterson got there? What was Tulsa before Graham? What was Buffalo before Gill?
Winners win, Prowler. Winners don't have to write essays (or have other people write them) to explain all the reasons why they didn't.
Chizik did a decent job as a coordinator. I don't doubt that Texas might have welcomed him back as coordinator. You're pulling things out of your ass and making them up to support your argument, however, when you state they "may have wanted him as HCIW." They may have wanted to name him homecoming queen or fairy princess too.
I've got no problems with him as a DC. If he'd come back to AU in that capacity, I'd be right there with you arguing his case. But he didn't. World of difference.
When given the reins of a program he failed by every measurable standard. He could not handle THAT job. As you yourself confirmed, offense, defense, recruiting and wins dropped while he was there. Who knows why ISU allegedly offered an extension? They're stupid, I guess. Why did Alabama give Mike Shula an extension? Why did Notre Dame give Charlie Weiss a 50-year contract? Because they're idiots? ISU's interest or lack thereof in Chiz is of no consequence to me.
Prowler, there's nothing you can say that will convince me at this point that chiz is a great or even a good head coach. There's nothing on his resume other than some big ass talk that he hasn't backed up to support that idea.
It's absolutely ridiculous on your part to disparage people as Bammers just because they don't share your optimism. Most of us realize that we're stuck with the guy and don't have a whole lot of other choice but to see how it plays out. Some are cautiously optimistic, some are more along the lines of dreading it, but hoping it somehow turns out okay. Some folks just think its an abortion. Doesn't mean that anybody loves Auburn any less or that they "don't know football" just because they don't agree with you. Frankly, not many people do. The island you're on is just as small or smaller than the one GW is.
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According to the shortfall in donations since the hire was announced then his island is more of an islet or maybe just a shallow place.
Mine is quite populated and has free drinks and native girls dancing topless.
Oh prowler prowler prowler just because you have played football under friends and fans of the chizpanzee does not make you a football genius. But if you will call lowder or dye I'm sure your blind stupidity can get you a nice little coaching gig of some kind at Auburn right now. Just remember when they answer the phone the first words out of your mouth need to be "Fuck Tubbs".
Thats all you need to know.
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According to the shortfall in donations since the hire was announced then his island is more of an islet or maybe just a shallow place.
Mine is quite populated and has free drinks and native girls dancing topless.
Oh prowler prowler prowler just because you have played football under friends and fans of the chizpanzee does not make you a football genius. But if you will call lowder or dye I'm sure your blind stupidity can get you a nice little coaching gig of some kind at Auburn right now. Just remember when they answer the phone the first words out of your mouth need to be "Fuck Tubbs".
Thats all you need to know.
He played football and you play with yourself, I bet your the best BALLplayer.
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You're going to have to go back and show me the context. I don't even remember where that came from or what it was in reply to. If it was used as a possibility to counter another cockeyed theory, it only has to meet the burden of being plausible, it doesn't have to be proveable. Reasonable doubt.
I'd go back and look it up to see, but I'm still in the floor laughing at anybody calling Chiz a "great" coach.
It wasn't a rebuttal, it was your flat, definitive statement.
You're better than this.
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Hey, Kaos......Remind me, when did I state that Coach Chizik is a Great Head Coach? Find that for me while you waste your time typing out drivel after drivel in you retarded attempt to show people that you know football. And fyi, Texas had talked about possibly making Coach Chizik the HCIW when they wanted him back, that's the truth. Oh, I guess, that would just squash greaseydick and your crusade against Auburn...the would mean an Elite University wanted our HC, at one point, to be their HCIW....nah that can't be true, it just can't. Dumbasses
I stated about the fact that I do know a thing or two about football, because You and your little fuck buddy have questioned that. I've never stated that, this is my point of view you better go with it, now did I? I stated my opinions on Coach Chizik, because you and your band mate keep questioning my opinion, making yourself look dumber and dumber each time you do it. I really question y'alls knowledge in anything relating to football.
If you fucksticks will give him some time....Oh wait, that would make too much sense, forget that I suggested that.
And greaseyass, who the fuck said that I played under friends and/or fans of Coach Chizik? What the Fuck does that have to do with anything? See, you are completely retarded....Do you still wear your medal that you won 10 years ago?? Yeah....good luck on your island, too bad that it'll be pretty close to being deserted once the season starts.
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Gee Prowler, I don't know. Six or seven times in this thread?
Why should I give him time to fuck up?
Fuck who knows more about football. Could give a shit if you invented the game. This isn't about football and whether he teaches the swim move or the uppercut. This is about his ability to manage a program. Lots of good coordinators make shitty head coaches. Right now that's the book on chiz. You don't have to know the difference between a football and a rice krispie treat to know that.
Funny nobody but you knows anything about Texas wanting chiz back as HCIW. Are you Mack Brown? Don't yank shit out of thin air.
And finally? I don't have a crusade against Auburn. It's my opinion that the myopic "love the Chiz" crowd are the ones who are most likely to harm AU.
So you keep on tooting the Chiz's pathetic horn. I'll keep on hoping Jacobs didn't completely screw the pooch and it works out okay. Won't make this abortion of a hire any more right and won't lessen my desire to see jacobs fired.
Hey, Kaos......Remind me, when did I state that Coach Chizik is a Great Head Coach? Find that for me while you waste your time typing out drivel after drivel in you retarded attempt to show people that you know football. And fyi, Texas had talked about possibly making Coach Chizik the HCIW when they wanted him back, that's the truth. Oh, I guess, that would just squash greaseydick and your crusade against Auburn...the would mean an Elite University wanted our HC, at one point, to be their HCIW....nah that can't be true, it just can't. Dumbasses
I stated about the fact that I do know a thing or two about football, because You and :cage:your little fuck buddy have questioned that. I've never stated that, this is my point of view you better go with it, now did I? I stated my opinions on Coach Chizik, because you and your band mate keep questioning my opinion, making yourself look dumber and dumber each time you do it. I really question y'alls knowledge in anything relating to football.
If you fucksticks will give him some time....Oh wait, that would make too much sense, forget that I suggested that.
And greaseyass, who the fuck said that I played under friends and/or fans of Coach Chizik? What the Fuck does that have to do with anything? See, you are completely retarded....Do you still wear your medal that you won 10 years ago?? Yeah....good luck on your island, too bad that it'll be pretty close to being deserted once the season starts.
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Gee Prowler, I don't know. Six or seven times in this thread?
Why should I give him time to fuck up?
Fuck who knows more about football. Could give a shit if you invented the game. This isn't about football and whether he teaches the swim move or the uppercut. This is about his ability to manage a program. Lots of good coordinators make shitty head coaches. Right now that's the book on chiz. You don't have to know the difference between a football and a rice krispie treat to know that.
Funny nobody but you knows anything about Texas wanting chiz back as HCIW. Are you Mack Brown? Don't yank shit out of thin air.
And finally? I don't have a crusade against Auburn. It's my opinion that the myopic "love the Chiz" crowd are the ones who are most likely to harm AU.
So you keep on tooting the Chiz's pathetic horn. I'll keep on hoping Jacobs didn't completely screw the pooch and it works out okay. Won't make this abortion of a hire any more right and won't lessen my desire to see jacobs fired.
You take this waaaaay too serious. :poke:
I keeeed. I keeeeeed!