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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on December 03, 2008, 12:37:08 PM
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And here's why:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/88573-tuberville-the-devil-auburn-knows (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/88573-tuberville-the-devil-auburn-knows)
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Rumor alert:
But I just heard Tubs to MS St and Leach is front runner. The MS St. Rumor is all over a big company that used to have major ties with Auburn...
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Rumor alert:
But I just heard Tubs to MS St and Leach is front runner. The MS St. Rumor is all over a big company that used to have major ties with Auburn...
Leach is going to UW.
Tuberville would most likely retire before he took a job in Starkville.
Rumors are mostly stupid.
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Rumors are mostly stupid.
Agreed.
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That's why I gave it the rumor status...it would suck if true though...
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Rumor alert:
But I just heard Tubs to MS St and Leach is front runner. The MS St. Rumor is all over a big company that used to have major ties with Auburn...
Why would Leach want to come to a school that just fired the man that tried to implement the spread??? We don't have anybody with an arm like Graham Harrell nor would we get one...
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True. BUT, Leach has made a lot of average QB's look like first round picks only to turn out to suck it up in the pros. I am not saying I want him, I am just saying that's what I heard...and Leach would be dumb to go to UW...
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Why would Leach want to come to a school that just fired the man that tried to implement the spread??? We don't have anybody with an arm like Graham Harrell nor would we get one...
The difference here would be Leach, should he be named the coach, would bring in assistants who were committed to the spread (whereas Franklin had to deal with a pack of backwards thinking jackals). The Franklin experiment was an exercise in futility from the get go, but bring in an entire staff that are singing from the same hymn book and I really think it'd take off.
Barrett Trotter could be the Graham Harrell type QB to run this system at Auburn.
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The difference here would be Leach, should he be named the coach, would bring in assistants who were committed to the spread (whereas Franklin had to deal with a pack of backwards thinking jackals). The Franklin experiment was an exercise in futility from the get go, but bring in an entire staff that are singing from the same hymn book and I really think it'd take off.
Barrett Trotter could be the Graham Harrell type QB to run this system at Auburn.
Mike Leach? No.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1116/ncf_a_mleach_300.jpg)
(http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2007/12/medium_TonyFranklin.JPG)
You can't make an SEC West team turn into an SEC East team. It will never work.
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Mike Leach? No.
(http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1116/ncf_a_mleach_300.jpg)
(http://blog.al.com/goldmine/2007/12/medium_TonyFranklin.JPG)
You can't make an SEC West team turn into an SEC East team. It will never work.
We'll have to see. I'm not sure there is ANY way to predict what will work at this time until more elements come together.
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We'll have to see. I'm not sure there is ANY way to predict what will work at this time until more elements come together.
Please go back and read what I wrote after the first game of the season. I have the gift of second sight. Sixth sense. Fourth Meal.
Leach would be a disaster that would make the 2008 debacle look like a tickle fight with Allessandra Ambrosio.
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Please go back and read what I wrote after the first game of the season. I have the gift of second sight. Sixth sense. Fourth Meal.
Leach would be a disaster that would make the 2008 debacle look like a tickle fight with Allessandra Ambrosio.
Don't know enough yet to make that judgement. I'd rather see Muschamp anyway, but I wouldn't go jump off a bridge if it was Leach...
Now Petrino or Paul Johnson....fuck that shit......
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Look for the top 5 candidates to be (in no specific order)
1. Muschamp
2. Fisher
3. Kragthorpe
4. Patterson
5. Leach
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Good God...
What in the blazing purple hell makes anyone think Muschamp is ready to run an SEC-level program? He's never even wiped his own ass. He's as ready as I am.
Mike Leach? Are you SHITTING me? The fuck has exactly one good season in his history. In the previous eight years he's averaging FOUR FUCKING LOSSES A SEASON. Why in the name of MikeDuBose would we trade one guy who averages four losses a year, a guy we know and are comfortable with, for that Quasimodo-looking four-loss-averaging fuck?
If the people doing the hiring have the sense of a common field rat, they'll find somebody who has head coaching experience and a history of winning in difficult places. There's an Urban Meyer or Jim Tressel out there. But if that fucking magoo Jay Jacobs keeps looking under the same dumbass rocks they've always looked under -- Leach, Petrino, Grobe, Kragdorke, etc -- all he's going to find are turds. And we get to eat the shit sandwich.
I won't jump off a bridge if they hire Mike Tyson, Allen Iverson, Richard Simmons or Lance Bass. I love Auburn and it goes way beyond a damn football game. I'd love Auburn if they never won or if there wasn't a football team. I just hate the way Auburn does business these days. Shitbags like Jacobs are changing Auburn from what I knew and loved into something I don't know any more.
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Look for the top 5 candidates to be (in no specific order)
1. Muschamp
2. Fisher
3. Kragthorpe
4. Patterson
5. Leach
Chris Peterson would be high on my list.
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Jim Tressel came from YOUNGSTOWN STATE, the God Damn Mutha Fuckin Penguins. If AU names a HC from DI AA, we might as well ask the NCAA to give us the Death Penalty, b/c we'd lose most of our Fickle fanbase, recruits, and then our games....Now, the DI AA HC could be the next $abban....we'd never fuckin know, b/c the majority of the fanbase would giveup our they'd fight back through the Airwaves and/or paper.
Would an Urban Meyer type HC excite anyone??? Most would say no, off the bat, "b/c this is the SEC and that stuff aint gonna work." Remeber those words?
We want a HC that makes a Big Splash...Right? So, who's that "Clear The Pool, Fatty's Gonna Swan Dive!!" type of guy? I know of one that could be a Reallly Good hire and he'll be on display this Friday when they knock down an Unbeaten.
This goes for all of the "Bitch About A Free New Car" type of people. Whoever the new HC will be......Don't Fuckin Complain About Him, MAN UP, Pull the, God Damn, Dildo outta your ass, and stand strong...united as one, behind the NEW HC, God Damn IT.....WAR, COCK SUCKIN' MUTHA FUCKIN', EAGLE!!!!!!!!
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Do I seem angry? I feel angry.
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Look for the top 5 candidates to be (in no specific order)
1. Muschamp
2. Fisher
3. Kragthorpe
4. Patterson
5. Leach
I pray this is not Jay Jacob's Christmas list.
For the record...
Louisville fans hate Kragthorpe. Or at least the one UL fan I know hates him. My poll is at 100%.
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I want either Butch Davis or Brian Kelly
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I pray this is not Jay Jacob's Christmas list.
For the record...
Louisville fans hate Kragthorpe. Or at least the one UL fan I know hates him. My poll is at 100%.
Kragthorpe took a UL team that won a BCS bowl and returned the bulk of their starters...and ran them into a losing season.
Fuck Kragthorpe.
If we're going that route, then let's get Graham/Malzahn from Tulsa.
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I agree about Kragthorpe.. I can't imagine why his name was brought up. No sense at all.
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Leach didn't win 10 games a year due to the defense. He just showed this year that if you have a defense with his offense, you can win. UF does not beat people down with their offense, it's their defense that does the heavy lifting. The teams that control the ball against UF have a chance. Their offense is gonna score, but with a defense not allowing the other team to score, it allows the spread to flourish.
If he came in and kept our defense and implemented his offense, I think we would see a team that is consistently on par with UF.
But on the other hand, I do like to see an offense that just whips ass. The spread doesn't really do that.
How many other guys on that list have an offense that is more pro based?
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UF does not beat people down with their offense
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But on the other hand, I do like to see an offense that just whips ass. The spread doesn't really do that.
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you're retarded.
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I second the Pale Gaytor. This wish list must be thrown in with the chestnuts roasting on an open fire and burned to hell.
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My actual list....
(in no specific order)
1. Muschamp
2. Davis
3. Peterson
4. Gill
5. Kelley
I think ALL of them have a debate going either way, but I could live with any of them.
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you're retarded.
Up yours. If the UF defense did not stop the other guy, the offense would not have the chance. Therefore they are not the ones that are really beating up the other guy, the defense is.
Kiss my retarded ass. The spread is an explosive offense that does not usually consume a lot of time off of the clock. If you have a shitty defense, then the spread does not get a chance to explode often. So it is the defense that wins games on a spread team more so than the offense. If you would bother look at T. Tech this year you will notice the only thing different is they have a much better defense.
Please work on your math skills so you can put 2 + 2 together a little easier.
I love it when one of you internet bad guys call others names.
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Up yours. If the UF defense did not stop the other guy, the offense would not have the chance. Therefore they are not the ones that are really beating up the other guy, the defense is.
Kiss my retarded ass. The spread is an explosive offense that does not usually consume a lot of time off of the clock. If you have a shitty defense, then the spread does not get a chance to explode often. So it is the defense that wins games on a spread team more so than the offense. If you would bother look at T. Tech this year you will notice the only thing different is they have a much better defense.
Please work on your math skills so you can put 2 + 2 together a little easier.
I love it when one of you internet bad guys call others names.
Your argument is based on UF's offense not being productive? Your argument is based on UF's defense being the primary reason behind their success?
Fail.
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Leach didn't win 10 games a year due to the defense. He just showed this year that if you have a defense with his offense, you can win. UF does not beat people down with their offense, it's their defense that does the heavy lifting. The teams that control the ball against UF have a chance. Their offense is gonna score, but with a defense not allowing the other team to score, it allows the spread to flourish.
If he came in and kept our defense and implemented his offense, I think we would see a team that is consistently on par with UF.
But on the other hand, I do like to see an offense that just whips ass. The spread doesn't really do that.
How many other guys on that list have an offense that is more pro based?
Leach didn't win TEN GAMES A YEAR. The putz won TEN GAMES THIS YEAR. Big, huge, gigantic, massive, major difference.
Over his career he's a four-plus loss per year guy. The ultimate dud. Please, I pray this isn't the route we go down.
LOOK AT TCU, LOOK AT TCU, LOOK AT TCU.
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My actual list....
(in no specific order)
1. Muschamp
2. Davis
3. Peterson
4. Gill
5. Kelley
I think ALL of them have a debate going either way, but I could live with any of them.
Sorry, but I recoil and boo loudly at your entire list.
Muschamp has never even put his own diapers on.
Davis is a retread.
Peterson is the only one I'd be mildly excited about.
Gill is a one-hit wonder. No gravitas
Kelley... *yawn*
At least you didn't put Leach on there.
Somebody, anybody PLEASE get Jacobs to look at TCU. That guy is the ticket.
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Your argument is based on UF's offense not being productive? Your argument is based on UF's defense being the primary reason behind their success?
Fail.
Not so. My argument is that UF's offense does not score every time it touches the ball. If you limit the touches, then you have a chance. But the more chances their offense gets, the higher the percentage of scores. And the more the other team's defense gets tired. This all goes back to why TT is doing well this year. They have a good defense. If UF had a weak defense, then the offense would not get as many chances.We see what happens when their defense does not play as well. Ole Miss controlled the ball and limited UF's offense. So it seems that the spread will most likely be successful if you have a strong defense. Otherwise, you have 4 losses year...just like TT in the past.
This example was show that in the SEC, the spread can be successful, but only if you have a strong defense. And that is where UF's success has come from, their defense.
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Not so. My argument is that UF's offense does not score every time it touches the ball. If you limit the touches, then you have a chance. But the more chances their offense gets, the higher the percentage of scores. And the more the other team's defense gets tired. This all goes back to why TT is doing well this year. They have a good defense. If UF had a weak defense, then the offense would not get as many chances.We see what happens when their defense does not play as well. Ole Miss controlled the ball and limited UF's offense. So it seems that the spread will most likely be successful if you have a strong defense. Otherwise, you have 4 losses year...just like TT in the past.
This example was show that in the SEC, the spread can be successful, but only if you have a strong defense. And that is where UF's success has come from, their defense.
I agree with others. Your argument fails.
Does Tebow play defense? I didn't think so.
It's like saying the only reason my car runs is because it has doors.
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Not so. My argument is that UF's offense does not score every time it touches the ball. If you limit the touches, then you have a chance. But the more chances their offense gets, the higher the percentage of scores. And the more the other team's defense gets tired. This all goes back to why TT is doing well this year. They have a good defense. If UF had a weak defense, then the offense would not get as many chances.We see what happens when their defense does not play as well. Ole Miss controlled the ball and limited UF's offense. So it seems that the spread will most likely be successful if you have a strong defense. Otherwise, you have 4 losses year...just like TT in the past.
This example was show that in the SEC, the spread can be successful, but only if you have a strong defense. And that is where UF's success has come from, their defense.
While your basic and simplistic arguement is technically correct, I think you're stretching one role to bolster another. It could be argued either way. (ie, ball control can also be controlled by the offense, therefore leaving the other teams offense off the field. Look at AU vs. SC a few years ago when the Auburn offense kept the ball the entire 3rd quarter).
However, I would assert that a majority of UF's success this year had to do with offense. Not so much a stellar defense.
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While your basic and simplistic arguement is technically correct, I think you're stretching one role to bolster another. It could be argued either way. (ie, ball control can also be controlled by the offense, therefore leaving the other teams offense off the field. Look at AU vs. SC a few years ago when the Auburn offense kept the ball the entire 3rd quarter).
However, I would assert that a majority of UF's success this year had to do with offense. Not so much a stellar defense.
So conversely, would you say that TT's success has been due to mostly offense and that their defense has jsut been so-so?
I did not say the defense had to be stellar, just good. In the past, TT's defense has not even been good. You give UF a so-so defense and they become irrelevant. No way Tebow beats 12 teams without a good defense. That was my argument when looking at TT and Leach. The same was said about Meyer before he got here. But when he got here, he knew that he would need a defense to in the SEC. Was it the spread offense that won the NC, or was it the ferocious defense that shut down OSU. The point is that the spread can work in the SEC if you maintain an SEC caliber defense. UF has a great offense, but so does TT. But UF's defense is much better than TT's. That is the reason for UF's continued success.
BTW. Technically correct is still correct. :thumbsup:
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So conversely, would you say that TT's success has been due to mostly offense and that their defense has jsut been so-so?
I did not say the defense had to be stellar, just good. In the past, TT's defense has not even been good. You give UF a so-so defense and they become irrelevant. No way Tebow beats 12 teams without a good defense. That was my argument when looking at TT and Leach. The same was said about Meyer before he got here. But when he got here, he knew that he would need a defense to in the SEC. Was it the spread offense that won the NC, or was it the ferocious defense that shut down OSU. The point is that the spread can work in the SEC if you maintain an SEC caliber defense. UF has a great offense, but so does TT. But UF's defense is much better than TT's. That is the reason for UF's continued success.
Meyer had a stellar record. He'd done amazing jobs at both Bowling Green and Utah. It was foolish of me and of others like me to think that his success was related only to his "system."
Either a guy can coach or he can't. Here's a clue for you:
MIKE LEACH CAN'T COACH
Here is his record at Texas Tech prior to this season:
7-6
7-5
9-5
8-5
8-4
9-3
8-5
9-4
Six, five, five, five, four, three, five, four. FUCK THAT. It absolutely reeks of mediocrity. Add the fact that he's a certifiable nutjob and you have a recipe for disaster that will make unicorns and baby kittens weep uncontrollably.
The guy can't coach. He's a mediocre coach at best. Do you honestly think it will be easier for him to recruit in the SEC than it was in the Big Joke 12? Do you think the level of overall competition will be higher or lower in the SEC?
That AU is even considering this pedestrian dud makes me violently ill. If Jacobs is so stupid as to hire him, I might just jump off Chopper's proverbial bridge.
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Up yours. If the UF defense did not stop the other guy, the offense would not have the chance. Therefore they are not the ones that are really beating up the other guy, the defense is.
Kiss my retarded ass. The spread is an explosive offense that does not usually consume a lot of time off of the clock. If you have a shitty defense, then the spread does not get a chance to explode often. So it is the defense that wins games on a spread team more so than the offense. If you would bother look at T. Tech this year you will notice the only thing different is they have a much better defense.
Please work on your math skills so you can put 2 + 2 together a little easier.
I love it when one of you internet bad guys call others names.
Your stupid fucking argument works for every offensive scheme known to man: if the defense doesn't stop the other team, then you don't get the ball back to try to score.
No shit.
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Well, wesfuf2 just saved me the statement.
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Meyer had a stellar record. He'd done amazing jobs at both Bowling Green and Utah. It was foolish of me and of others like me to think that his success was related only to his "system."
But you did prejudge him and you were wrong. Could it be that you would be wrong about Leach too?
I don't care either way, but I won't dismiss him because of his record at TT. Coaching at TT is like coaching at Ole Miss or Miss. State. You will always lose to the big boys except for every few years due to not getting the talent. AU WILL always get the talent.
And Utah didn't exactly play the same type of schedule that TT plays. I'm just saying that the spread can work in the SEC as long as you maintain a SEC caliber defense. Whether Leach is the guy for that remains to be seen. Like you said, we all said the same thing about Meyer.
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But you did prejudge him and you were wrong. Could it be that you would be wrong about Leach too?
Meyer had eye-popping success at every coaching stop.
Leach has had middle of the road results every year prior to this one at one coaching stop.
Apples vs. oranges.
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Your stupid fucking argument works for every offensive scheme known to man: if the defense doesn't stop the other team, then you don't get the ball back to try to score.
No shit.
Yep. The subtleties of football escape the fans once again. If you actually sat down and looked at the intrinsics of the game, you would see that it's a little more involved than that. The argument still stands. The spread will only be effective if you maintain a SEC caliber defense. Leach could be successful here, or not. But like UF, do you take a chance on that.
I would love to see any of you naysayers actually coach a game. Give it a shot. More things are happening than just what you see on the TV. But to dismiss a coach because he runs the spread shows a lack of understanding of the game.
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Yep. The subtleties of football escape the fans once again. If you actually sat down and looked at the intrinsics of the game, you would see that it's a little more involved than that. The argument still stands. The spread will only be effective if you maintain a SEC caliber defense. Leach could be successful here, or not. But like UF, do you take a chance on that.
You seem to have gotten your arguments crossed up.
I'm not opposed to the spread. I'm opposed to Mike Leach.
Your argument was that UF doesn't blow people away on offense, they win with defense. That assertion is demonstrably false and fucking stupid.
I would love to see any of you naysayers actually coach a game. Give it a shot. More things are happening than just what you see on the TV. But to dismiss a coach because he runs the spread shows a lack of understanding of the game.
How many collegiate level games have you coached?
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Meyer had eye-popping success at every coaching stop.
Leach has had middle of the road results every year prior to this one at one coaching stop.
Apples vs. oranges.
So did Gerry Faust, but when you coach in lesser leagues, it doesn't necessarily prepare you for the big time. Had Meyer fell on his face, you guys would have lined up to blow each other and claim you called it first.
Problem is that there are several good coaches out there, but we do not trust our AD to choose a good one based on the things that an AD is supposed to know. Therefore we argue amongst ourselves as to who would be good. Some of us judge on what we see. Others on record. Others on personality. Who is right? Who is wrong?
There will probably be a couple of coaches before we forget CTT. UF had to go through Zook before they got Meyer. Will we even be able to pick that one guy that will make us get over it? Who knows.
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Will we even be able to pick that one guy that will make us get over it? Who knows.
I think you will be able to.
signed,
Paul Johnson
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So did Gerry Faust, but when you coach in lesser leagues, it doesn't necessarily prepare you for the big time. Had Meyer fell on his face, you guys would have lined up to blow each other and claim you called it first.
Problem is that there are several good coaches out there, but we do not trust our AD to choose a good one based on the things that an AD is supposed to know. Therefore we argue amongst ourselves as to who would be good. Some of us judge on what we see. Others on record. Others on personality. Who is right? Who is wrong?
There will probably be a couple of coaches before we forget CTT. UF had to go through Zook before they got Meyer. Will we even be able to pick that one guy that will make us get over it? Who knows.
Gerry Faust coached HIGH SCHOOL. No comparison at all.