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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Kaos on December 02, 2024, 09:07:53 AM
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I won’t pardon Hunter, Jack.
No one is above the law!
Oh. Yeah. About that? I’m gonna pardon him for everything for the last ten years. You know, all the things that could implicate me. So suck it.
And Wes supported this. C’mon, son. There’s room for you on the Trump train. Get aboard and enjoy all the winning that’s coming.
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What the left has done at the border is nothing short of a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY.
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Being sincere here and not flaming you Weskie. What are your thoughts on this?
Ive seen varying opinions from the Democrat side. Some of them I agree with and some I don't. Not interested in "2 wrongs making a right" or whataboutisms. Legit thoughts.
I'll hangup and lissen
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Generally speaking, I don't think POTUS should have pardon power.
I think pardoning Hunter is a bit hypocritical, but since the incoming administration is swearing revenge and the R's have had a hardon for HB for a while now, I don't really fault him for trying to protect his son. I also can't find an ounce of giveadamn about his gun charge.
Was weirdly silent around here when Trump went on a pardon spree at the end of his term, though.
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Generally speaking, I don't think POTUS should have pardon power.
I think pardoning Hunter is a bit hypocritical, but since the incoming administration is swearing revenge and the R's have had a hardon for HB for a while now, I don't really fault him for trying to protect his son. I also can't find an ounce of giveadamn about his gun charge.
Was weirdly silent around here when Trump went on a pardon spree at the end of his term, though.
So just politics as usual as far as saying he wasn't (pre election) and then doing a 180 (post election)....simple as that? I think the 180 is what rubs many wrong and then it also being his son.
I am curious if Trump pardons Bannon and Rudy.
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So just politics as usual as far as saying he wasn't (pre election) and then doing a 180 (post election)....simple as that?
Yes. That's why I said it was hypocritical.
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I'd protect my chirrens, too. Just wouldn't have stated anything to the contrary when questioned on it.
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I promise not to be silent if DJT goes on a pardoning spree.
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I'd protect my chirrens, too. Just wouldn't have stated anything to the contrary when questioned on it.
Great, you're not gonna be a politician.
I promise not to be silent if DJT goes on a pardoning spree.
DJT: 237 pardons
Joe Biden: 27 pardons
Please maintain your silence.
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George W. Bush: 200 pardons
Donald Trump: 237 pardons
Joe Biden: 27 pardons
Barack Obama: 1,927 pardons
Biden only has 27 so far, because he was napping through 90% of his time in office.
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Biden only has 27 so far, because he was napping through 90% of his time in office.
There's plenty of criticism that's valid. C'mon.
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There's plenty of criticism that's valid. C'mon.
74.3?
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A few of us have slightly more than a passing interest in politics. It's noteworthy to point out that California Congressman Adam Schiff was at the root of every anti-Trump falsehood driven into the minds of everyday Americans with the aid of the fake legacy media.
Shifty easily won the Senate seat vacated by the retired Diane Feinstein and will begin as a freshman Senator as of tomorrow December 8, 2024.
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I'd protect my chirrens, too. Just wouldn't have stated anything to the contrary when questioned on it.
I said that to my wife when it happened. I would have done it, but I would have never said I wouldn't to begin with.
It’s the continual lying that rubs folks the wrong way.
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Great, you're not gonna be a politician.
DJT: 237 pardons
Joe Biden: 27 pardons
Please maintain your silence.
Technically it was 144 pardons.
And didn’t he help out a couple of black rappers? Why do you hate black peoples?
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Generally speaking, I don't think POTUS should have pardon power.
I think pardoning Hunter is a bit hypocritical, but since the incoming administration is swearing revenge and the R's have had a hardon for HB for a while now, I don't really fault him for trying to protect his son. I also can't find an ounce of giveadamn about his gun charge.
Was weirdly silent around here when Trump went on a pardon spree at the end of his term, though.
The bolded parts are outright lies, Mr. Maddow. No one has sworn anything or promised revenge. Hunter Biden (and his entire family), the Clintons, and Obama are among the most corrupt and dangerous people in human history. And yet no one has “sworn” to go after them or is planning revenge. Does their corruption need to be stopped? You’re flipping skippy it does.
As for the “pardon spree” you’re just WRONG.
Trump granted 237 acts of clemency during his four years in the White House, including 143 pardons and 94 commutations. Only two other presidents since 1900 – George W. and George H.W. Bush – granted fewer acts of clemency than Trump.
His predecessor, Barack Obama, granted clemency 1,927 times over the course of eight years in office, the highest total of any president going back to Harry Truman.
Maybe you remember BG03? You’ve adopted his only tactic. Question Bama’s corruption and his answer was always “well, what about when Auburn…”
It’s tired. It’s stale. It’s weak. Just like democrats.
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The bolded parts are outright lies, Mr. Maddow. No one has sworn anything or promised revenge. Hunter Biden (and his entire family), the Clintons, and Obama are among the most corrupt and dangerous people in human history. And yet no one has “sworn” to go after them or is planning revenge. Does their corruption need to be stopped? You’re flipping skippy it does.
As for the “pardon spree” you’re just WRONG.
Trump granted 237 acts of clemency during his four years in the White House, including 143 pardons and 94 commutations. Only two other presidents since 1900 – George W. and George H.W. Bush – granted fewer acts of clemency than Trump.
His predecessor, Barack Obama, granted clemency 1,927 times over the course of eight years in office, the highest total of any president going back to Harry Truman.
Maybe you remember BG03? You’ve adopted his only tactic. Question Bama’s corruption and his answer was always “well, what about when Auburn…”
It’s tired. It’s stale. It’s weak. Just like democrats.
Yeah was wondering where this narrative started on retribution. Sounds like a straw man. And I mean in the last few months. Where has Trump said he is coming for revenge on any of these pardonees? His camp has said they are not emphatically.
As far as holding people accountable that did stuff way out of line trying to prosecute him in the DOJ and on down the line, I have no issue with that. Legally, they need to be held accountable. Personal grievances with people he has said are in the past. I don't know what else his camp has to say to get that across.
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lara-trump-responds-to-biden-mass-pardon-rumors-and-vows-trump-will-not-seek-revenge-he-has-no-intention-on-retribution/
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I said that to my wife when it happened. I would have done it, but I would have never said I wouldn't to begin with.
It’s the continual lying that rubs folks the wrong way.
That was kind of my point above which Wes actually agreed with - "hypocritical". Biden was running for re-election so yeah of course he isn't gonna come right out and say it. He honestly should have given "no comment". By saying he wasn't, he put himself in a no win situation. His two choices at that point are to either: leave his son hung out to dry OR be a hypocrite/liar. And he isn't going to feed his kid to the wolves.
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Great, you're not gonna be a politician.
DJT: 237 pardons
Joe Biden: 27 pardons
Please maintain your silence.
update.
TIFWIW ...from FOX
Apparently Joe woke up or the handlers felt compelled to bail some friends...
"President Biden has commuted jail sentences for nearly 1,500 people and granted 39 pardons, marking the largest single-day act of clemency in modern history, the White House announced Thursday morning."
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1,500 people and granted 39 pardons, marking the largest single-day act of clemency in modern history
Whoa
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On another front, John Fetterman made his first post on Truth Social.
"My first truth. The Trump hush money and Hunter Biden cases were both bulls---, and pardons are appropriate. Weaponizing the judiciary for blatant, partisan gain diminishes the collective faith in our institutions and sows further division."
I swear, I thought this guy was a total flake. But, he speaks his truth regardless of party line. Somewhat refreshing.
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update.
TIFWIW ...from FOX
Apparently Joe woke up or the handlers felt compelled to bail some friends...
"President Biden has commuted jail sentences for nearly 1,500 people and granted 39 pardons, marking the largest single-day act of clemency in modern history, the White House announced Thursday morning."
Hey WES...
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Your "whataboutism" has failed. Failed spectacularly, I might add.
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Hey WES...
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Your "whataboutism" has failed. Failed spectacularly, I might add.
A ridiculous claim without knowledge of each case. But keep swinging in the dark.
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A ridiculous claim without knowledge of each case. But keep swinging in the dark.
Funny. Every time I swing, you develop a new bruise.
You really should go back and review your claims in this thread. Then seek help. You've got a bad case of TDS.
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I'm waiting for the pardons for the so called Jan. 6 "insurrectionists.
Pelosi, Chaney, Schiff and company were so sure they had finally got DJT and the result was a staggering number of innocent and unarmed citizens being locked up while others are still awaiting trial.
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I'm waiting for the pardons for the so called Jan. 6 "insurrectionists.
Pelosi, Chaney, Schiff and company were so sure they had finally got DJT and the result was a staggering number of innocent and unarmed citizens being locked up while others are still awaiting trial.
Alternate fucking universe.
It's mind-boggling.
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Alternate fucking universe.
It's mind-boggling.
His statement is true.
What is boggling the swiss cheese shards that remain in your skull?
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Alternate fucking universe.
It's mind-boggling.
Still heart you weskie.
Let's talk more about Shoney's, Alvins and Moes BBQ.
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A ridiculous claim without knowledge of each case. But keep swinging in the dark.
believe we're comparing numbers not quality. but keeping moving the goal posts. the fact is Biden just set a record.
and there's ~ FOURTY days to go.
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believe we're comparing numbers not quality. but keeping moving the goal posts. the fact is Biden just set a record.
and there's ~ FOURTY days to go.
I don't think clemency is inherently bad, so the numbers are meaningless.
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So the DOJ reveals there were 26 federal informants who all incidentally just happened to all think, independently, they wanted to be a part of the J6 insurrection.
What a fucking shitshow and a GD joke. I don't know how a single person can believe anything they read or hear from the government.
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So the DOJ reveals there were 26 federal informants who all incidentally just happened to all think, independently, they wanted to be a part of the J6 insurrection.
What a fucking shitshow and a GD joke. I don't know how a single person can believe anything they read or hear from the government.
The FBI just hasn't been interested in anything other than keeping Trump out of office.
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A ridiculous claim without knowledge of each case. But keep swinging in the dark.
BTW… this argument fails too.
Pedophiles. Child traffickers. Criminal child abusers. That’s who he let out.
Biden flocking with the birds of his feather.
Get in the Trump Train. C’mon, get happy.
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Pedophiles. Child traffickers. Criminal child abusers. That’s who he let out.
I'm sure you have supporting data for this.
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Pardoning the judge who was getting his pockets greased heavily for sending yoots to yoot detention facilities is pretty fucking awful.
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I'm sure you have supporting data for this.
Yes.
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I'm sure you have supporting data for this.
and that's just Hunter.
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and that's just Hunter.
That Miami booster Nevin Shapiro was one of them. At an ncaa level, that dude did some of the most egregious shit I’ve ever seen.
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Watch Jordan Peterson's two part YouTube video with RFKJr.
The interview runs the gamut of topics from free speech, the military industrial complex/foreign wars, his former place in the Democrat Party as well as his various views on the health of our nation. Give it a listen and offer an opinion.
RFKJr will be skewered this week by lawmakers and the media mob to portray him as something less than what he truly is, which is a true American patriot that loves his country.
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Watch Jordan Peterson's two part YouTube video with RFKJr.
The interview runs the gamut of topics from free speech, the military industrial complex/foreign wars, his former place in the Democrat Party as well as his various views on the health of our nation. Give it a listen and offer an opinion.
RFKJr will be skewered this week by lawmakers and the media mob to portray him as something less than what he truly is, which is a true American patriot that loves his country.
He's a fucking whack job with no business anywhere near the public health apparatus.
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He's a fucking whack job with no business anywhere near the public health apparatus.
You've got to be trolling at this point.
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You've got to be trolling at this point.
he has repeatedly made his opposition to vaccines clear. He said on a podcast “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” and has urged people to resist CDC guidelines on when kids should get vaccinated.
He wants to eliminate liability protections for drug companies.
Kennedy said he would recommend water agencies stop adding fluoride to drinking water
https://apnews.com/article/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-things-to-know-explained-who-is-hhs-5288a4a7277d1a0b4a7ede8f57a971ce
For years, Kennedy Jr. has promoted the theory that the preservative thimerosal, which has largely been phased out of modern vaccine formulas, appears to be responsible for a rise in autism diagnoses, and that the government knew but “knowingly allowed the pharmaceutical industry to poison an entire generation of American children,” he wrote in Rolling Stone and Salon in 2006. This has been thoroughly debunked, with a consensus among a number of certified health organizations, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization and more, found no credible link between vaccines and autism.
Kennedy Jr. was caught on camera in July of 2023 telling fellow diners that “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people” and “the people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,”
Kennedy Jr. has promoted the disproven conspiracy that 5G cellular networks—an advanced wireless technology standard for mobile phones—allow governments to collect user data and “control” their behavior, CBS reported in 2023. He also told Joe Rogan in a June podcast interview that WiFi “radiation” causes cancer, “cellphone tumors” and “opens your blood brain barrier” to toxins (There is no scientific proof connecting WiFi or 5G to any illnesses, according to the American Cancer Society).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/
The guy is a chemtrail chasing loon.
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he has repeatedly made his opposition to vaccines clear. He said on a podcast “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” and has urged people to resist CDC guidelines on when kids should get vaccinated.
I agree. This chart explains why.
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He wants to eliminate liability protections for drug companies.
What's the problem here? I kill you out of negligence or by purposely ignoring risk, I'm going to jail. Why protect companies that have a proven track history of ignoring, burying, obfuscating risk?
Kennedy said he would recommend water agencies stop adding fluoride to drinking water
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https://apnews.com/article/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-things-to-know-explained-who-is-hhs-5288a4a7277d1a0b4a7ede8f57a971ce
And?
For years, Kennedy Jr. has promoted the theory that the preservative thimerosal, which has largely been phased out of modern vaccine formulas, appears to be responsible for a rise in autism diagnoses, and that the government knew but “knowingly allowed the pharmaceutical industry to poison an entire generation of American children,” he wrote in Rolling Stone and Salon in 2006. This has been thoroughly debunked, with a consensus among a number of certified health organizations, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization and more, found no credible link between vaccines and autism.
You used almost all the magic words!
"Debunked"
"Rolling Stone"
"Salon"
"Consensus"
"Certified organizations"
"WHO"
"CDC"
If the last five years have shown us anything - there is no limit to the lies. Every single one of those buzz-words is a synonym for "lying to the public." If you'd just tacked on "Fauci" you'd have won the bingo.
Allow me to rebut:
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Kennedy Jr. was caught on camera in July of 2023 telling fellow diners that “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people” and “the people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,”
A lot of people said a lot of things about Covid. Current administration lied about every bit of it. Cause, release, symptoms, prevention, cure... to protect pharmaceutical companies they purposely and maliciously attacked anyone who didn't follow their talking points. THEY killed thousands by pretending things that worked didn't work and requiring doctors/hospitals to follow protocols they knew were fatal. Remdesivir and ventilators? Prescribed death sentences. And they KNEW.
Whatever theories he's exploring, no matter how nutty you might think they are? We don't know what we don't know until we find out. This administration doesn't want us to know. Gates, Soros, Klaus? Nothing would surprise me in terms of what they'd do, the level of genetic engineering they'd attempt to design in their STATED FREAKING PLANS to depopulate the world.
Kennedy Jr. has promoted the disproven conspiracy that 5G cellular networks—an advanced wireless technology standard for mobile phones—allow governments to collect user data and “control” their behavior, CBS reported in 2023. He also told Joe Rogan in a June podcast interview that WiFi “radiation” causes cancer, “cellphone tumors” and “opens your blood brain barrier” to toxins (There is no scientific proof connecting WiFi or 5G to any illnesses, according to the American Cancer Society).
"Disproven..." Ok.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/
The guy is a chemtrail chasing loon.
And again, whatever you may think he thinks -- whatever Rachel Madcow whispered in your ear -- please allow me to rebut...
He's better than THIS...
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he has repeatedly made his opposition to vaccines clear. He said on a podcast “there’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” and has urged people to resist CDC guidelines on when kids should get vaccinated.
He wants to eliminate liability protections for drug companies.
Kennedy said he would recommend water agencies stop adding fluoride to drinking water
https://apnews.com/article/robert-f-kennedy-jr-rfk-things-to-know-explained-who-is-hhs-5288a4a7277d1a0b4a7ede8f57a971ce
For years, Kennedy Jr. has promoted the theory that the preservative thimerosal, which has largely been phased out of modern vaccine formulas, appears to be responsible for a rise in autism diagnoses, and that the government knew but “knowingly allowed the pharmaceutical industry to poison an entire generation of American children,” he wrote in Rolling Stone and Salon in 2006. This has been thoroughly debunked, with a consensus among a number of certified health organizations, including the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the World Health Organization and more, found no credible link between vaccines and autism.
Kennedy Jr. was caught on camera in July of 2023 telling fellow diners that “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and Black people” and “the people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese,”
Kennedy Jr. has promoted the disproven conspiracy that 5G cellular networks—an advanced wireless technology standard for mobile phones—allow governments to collect user data and “control” their behavior, CBS reported in 2023. He also told Joe Rogan in a June podcast interview that WiFi “radiation” causes cancer, “cellphone tumors” and “opens your blood brain barrier” to toxins (There is no scientific proof connecting WiFi or 5G to any illnesses, according to the American Cancer Society).
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/11/15/rfk-jrs-conspiracy-theories-heres-what-trumps-pick-for-health-secretary-has-promoted/
The guy is a chemtrail chasing loon.
Just FYI - you know most of the rest of the developed world doesn't do Flouride in drinking water right? It's not an insane view to not want it added. It's not necessary at all. Flouride supplementation can be had (IF DESIRED) via toothpaste or fluoride treatments.
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Credulous rube and a bigot? That's the trumper we know and love.
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Also, I saw an interview with RFKjr where he said he just wanted vaccines to be a choice. Didn't want to take anyone's away that still wanted them. Thats a big difference in outlawing them. I get hes personally opposed them, but it doesn't sound like he wants to take away your 16 rounds of COVID Vaccines if you truly want them.
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Credulous rube and a bigot? That's the trumpers we know and love.
Enjoy the next four years plus, commie.
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Credulous rube and a bigot? That's the trumpers we know and love.
you tell em gramps
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Also, I saw an interview with RFKjr where he said he just wanted vaccines to be a choice. Didn't want to take anyone's away that still wanted them. Thats a big difference in outlawing them. I get hes personally opposed them, but it doesn't sound like he wants to take away your 16 rounds of COVID Vaccines if you truly want them.
His dumbshit lawyer is actively working to have the FUCKING POLIO VACCINE'S APPROVAL REVOKED.
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His dumbshit lawyer is actively working to have the FUCKING POLIO VACCINE'S APPROVAL REVOKED.
So you're digging into one case over one vaccine where he wants to examine it's approval at the FDA level? Again, what about the other 2 dozen...no wait.....71? And that's not an access thing. Let's give some context here. FDA Approval vs the general public having access to already approved drugs are two different things. Every drug should be going through FDA Approval. If the FDA thinks he's full of crap, they will deny this. If they think there is merit to his case, they won't. He by no means wants to deny people access to approved drugs whether he personally likes them or not.
I think youre missing the overall point here of having openness and transparency with a lot of the chemicals and drugs people have been exposed to, either not knowing it at all or at minimum not knowing possible dangers of them.
all of his petitions were filed on behalf of clients. Katie Miller, a spokeswoman for Mr. Kennedy, said Mr. Siri has been advising Mr. Kennedy but has not discussed his petitions with any of the health nominees. She added, “Mr. Kennedy has long said that he wants transparency in vaccines and to give people choice.”
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So you're digging into one case over one vaccine where he wants to examine it's approval at the FDA level? Again, what about the other 2 dozen...no wait.....71? And that's not an access thing. Let's give some context here. FDA Approval vs the general public having access to already approved drugs are two different things. Every drug should be going through FDA Approval. If the FDA thinks he's full of crap, they will deny this. If they think there is merit to his case, they won't. He by no means wants to deny people access to approved drugs whether he personally likes them or not.
I think youre missing the overall point here of having openness and transparency with a lot of the chemicals and drugs people have been exposed to, either not knowing it at all or at minimum not knowing possible dangers of them.
No, RFK's stance on vaccines is well-documented despite his constant attempts to explain himself.
I'm pushing back on the "hey, we just want choice" crap. Revoking FDA approval for a demonstrably and wildly effective 60+ year old vaccine is symptomatic of much bigger stupidity on the way.
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The irony of the name calling and “stupidity” on such an emotional hot take.
Rich Wes. Rich.
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The irony of the name calling and “stupidity” on such an emotional hot take.
Rich Wes. Rich.
The shit RFK espouses is stupidity. You could called it: complete horseshit, lunatic ravings and living in an alternate reality, but it all adds up to the same thing.
And someone following this clown may not be stupid, but they are hanging out with the mouth-breathers.
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The shit RFK espouses is stupidity. You could called it: complete horseshit, lunatic ravings and living in an alternate reality, but it all adds up to the same thing.
And someone following this clown may not be stupid, but they are hanging out with the mouth-breathers.
Nobody is taking your booster away. We just want common sense booster control. That’s all…
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Nobody is taking your booster away. We just want common sense booster control. That’s all…
Leave the booster seats out of this!
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The shit RFK espouses is stupidity. You could called it: complete horseshit, lunatic ravings and living in an alternate reality, but it all adds up to the same thing.
And someone following this clown may not be stupid, but they are hanging out with the mouth-breathers.
You’re infected with something. The only vaccine I’d support is the one that would fix your brain.
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Leave the booster seats out of this!
well weskie is in the thread.
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Wait. What’s this I see:
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Wait. What’s this I see:
Funny that the 4 presidents closest to "socialism" in their ideology were off the charts in this category.
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Generally speaking, I don't think POTUS should have pardon power.
Was weirdly silent around here when Trump went on a pardon spree at the end of his term, though.
Are these two points still valid? Asking for a friend.
Because a clemency spree just happened. A lot of them bad bad people.
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Are these two points still valid? Asking for a friend.
Because a clemency spree just happened. A lot of them bad bad people.
When I saw the huge number all at once, I wondered what kind of vetting process was done, because it does appear that there were some really bad apples that got their get out of jail free cards.
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Are these two points still valid? Asking for a friend.
Because a clemency spree just happened. A lot of them bad bad people.
clemency =/= pardon
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clemency =/= pardon
it serves the same purpose. your boy Joe has done more than anyone regardless how you want to define it, shape it or mold it to fit.
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clemency =/= pardon
You know exactly what I am driving at here. Quit being obtuse. Clemency was used purposely here since it's all encompassing. Whether general clemency or specifically a full pardon, the jist of your post was a philosophical "spirit of the rule" disagreement with the entire concept at the POTUS level. The more it's done, the worse - right?
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You know exactly what I am driving at here. Quit being obtuse. Clemency was used purposely here since it's all encompassing. Whether general clemency or specifically a full pardon, the jist of your post was a philosophical "spirit of the rule" disagreement with the entire concept at the POTUS level. The more it's done, the worse - right?
Clemency is usually granted at the request/recommendation of a 3rd party.
I don't have a problem with that, generally.
Preemptive pardoning by the POTUS is not my bag and I disagree with it, regardless of who uses it.
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Errbody in this thread...it's the end of the year. Go play with some titties (or dicks, no judgement here), grab a goblet or glass, toast something, smoke some meat (not like Snags, like Joe at the tailgate), and touch some grass.
Both parties suck. Washington sucks. Montgomery sucks. Or wherever your state capital is.
Life's too gotdamn short and Bama is too poor for all this himing and hawing.
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Errbody in this thread...it's the end of the year. Go play with some titties (or dicks, no judgement here), grab a goblet or glass, toast something, smoke some meat (not like Snags, like Joe at the tailgate), and touch some grass.
Both parties suck. Washington sucks. Montgomery sucks. Or wherever your state capital is.
Life's too gotdamn short and Bama is too poor for all this himing and hawing.
Yes...Make Christmas Great Again!
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Errbody in this thread...it's the end of the year. Go play with some titties (or dicks, no judgement here), grab a goblet or glass, toast something, smoke some meat (not like Snags, like Joe at the tailgate), and touch some grass.
Both parties suck. Washington sucks. Montgomery sucks. Or wherever your state capital is.
Life's too gotdamn short and Bama is too poor for all this himing and hawing.
You know who doesn't suck?
Donald J. Trump.
The greatest president of any of our lifetimes.
Suck on that.
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Of the 40 inmates on federal death row, according to DeathPenaltyInfo.org, Biden is commuting 37 men sentenced to death, reclassifying their sentences to life without the possibility of parole.
Biden's forgiveness wand continues.
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Biden's forgiveness wand continues.
Yeah but but but he only commuted their sentences. It wasn’t a full pardon. Nothing to see here.
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Biden's forgiveness wand continues.
Good. The death penalty is a barbaric relic that serves no good purpose.
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The tenor of my excitement with this
X Men filled Trump team will drop precipitously if the January 6 prisoner's aren't released. It must happen and very soon after DJT's inauguration. These were Soviet style show trials, rights were trampled and lives laid to waste.
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Good. The death penalty is a barbaric relic that serves no good purpose.
Unsurprisingly, I disagree vehemently.
The only problem with it today is the length of time between sentence and execution. It should happen within 90 days.
The purpose would then be better served.
I do have another solution, though. Anyone who should be sentenced to death can come stay with you. YOU are responsible for their feeding, care, medical bills, clothing, etc. I don't want to pay for it. You do it.
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Bring back public hangings.
And add public canings.
Watch crime go down and liberal heads explode.
The plantation lawyers will be apoplectic!
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Good. The death penalty is a barbaric relic that serves no good purpose.
The about face you’ve done here is staggering. I’ll give you credit - your side sticks with the team no matter what.
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Bring back public hangings.
And add public canings.
Watch crime go down and liberal heads explode.
The plantation lawyers will be apoplectic!
Yeah pre Musk Twitter booted me permanently for saying traitors should be executed. Never once mentioned a single person by name or any method. I don't have a following so I'm left to the judgement of bots.
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The about face you’ve done here is staggering. I’ll give you credit - your side sticks with the team no matter what.
I don't think you'll find that I've changed my stance on capital punishment at all.
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I don't think you'll find that I've changed my stance on capital punishment at all.
Changing stance =/= shoving the goalpost all over the field, up into the stands, out in the parking lot, and halfway across town.
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So, on his way out of office, Biden pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, and everyone on the January 6th Committee.
How do you pardon somebody not even accused of a crime?
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So, on his way out of office, Biden pardons Anthony Fauci, Mark Milley, and everyone on the January 6th Committee.
How do you pardon somebody not even accused of a crime?
I'm sure wes will be along directly to explain how this is a good thing and Trump has done something worse.
It is within the president's constitutional (Article II, Section 2, Clause 1) power to pardon "either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment."
My understanding is that accepting the pardon is treated essentially as an admission of guilt. They just can't be punished. They know and accept they are criminals.
There are limits, however. Presidential pardons extend only to federal crimes. They have no standing on state crimes or civil litigation.
That means it's likely up to the states or us, as citizens, to bury these murderers (Fauci) and traitors (Cheney, Schiff, Milley in particular) as deeply as we can. Destroy them. Ruin what's left of their lives.
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This pile of criminal garbage Biden - during the inauguration of the greatest president of our lifetimes - issued a pardon for his entire corrupt family.
CRIMINALS all.
Come on, wes, defend this. I double dog dare you.
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That means it's likely up to the states or us, as citizens, to bury these murderers (Fauci) and traitors (Cheney, Schiff, Milley in particular) as deeply as we can. Destroy them. Ruin what's left of their lives.
THIS ^^ is what needs to happen. These are disgusting people. Remember when the Democratic Party (when it still had a bit of sense) loathed the Cheney clan and their ilk? My oh my.
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President Tenure Pardons or Clemency Notes
George Washington 1789–1797 16
John Adams 1797–1801 20
Thomas Jefferson 1801–1809 119
James Madison 1809–1817 196
James Monroe 1817–1825 419
John Quincy Adams 1825–1829 183
Andrew Jackson 1829–1837 386
Martin Van Buren 1837–1841 168
William Henry Harrison 1841 0
John Tyler 1841–1845 209
James K. Polk 1845–1849 268
Zachary Taylor 1849–1850 38
Millard Fillmore 1850–1853 170
Franklin Pierce 1853–1857 142
James Buchanan 1857–1861 150
Abraham Lincoln 1861–1865 343
Andrew Johnson 1865–1869 7654 Includes thousands of pardons for ex-Confederates
Ulysses S. Grant 1869–1877 1332
Rutherford B. Hayes 1877–1881 893
James A. Garfield 1881. 0
Chester A. Arthur 1881–1885 337
Grover Cleveland 1885–1889,
1893–1897 1107 Estimate
Benjamin Harrison 1889–1893 613
William McKinley 1897–1901 918 Estimate
Theodore Roosevelt 1901–1909 981 Estimate
William Howard Taft 1909–1913 758
Woodrow Wilson 1913–1921 2480
Warren G. Harding 1921–1923 800
Calvin Coolidge 1923–1929 1545
Herbert Hoover 1929–1933 1385
Franklin D. Roosevelt 1933–1945 3687
Harry S. Truman 1945–1953 2044
Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953–1961 1157
John F. Kennedy 1961–1963 575
Lyndon B. Johnson 1963–1969 1187
Richard Nixon 1969–1974 926
Gerald Ford 1974–1977 409 Pardoned Richard Nixon in September 1974
Jimmy Carter 1977–1981 566 Excludes over 200,000 pardoned for Vietnam draft evasion
Ronald Reagan 1981–1989 406
George H. W. Bush 1989–1993 77
Bill Clinton 1993–2001 459
George W. Bush 2001–2009 200
Barack Obama 2009–2017 1927
Donald Trump 2017–2021,
2025–present 1700 Includes approximately 1500 pardoned for January 6 attacks
Joe Biden 2021–2025 8,064 Includes 6500 possibly pardoned for marijuana possession