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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on February 23, 2020, 08:38:42 AM
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Seems like I've done this before.
Deontay Wilder was the least impressive "champion" I can ever recall. Then last night he gets mauled by a sloppy, nearly 300-lb lummox.
When "Tyson Fury" is the top of the heap? You've got an extremely shitty heap.
Either of these two clowns would have been cut to pieces by Foreman, Frazier, Clay, or any of the great fighters of that era. Mike Tyson in his prime would have ended either of them in two rounds or less.
In that day that big oaf Fury would be just another Chuck Wepner or Gerry Cooney. Wilder a Pinklon Thomas or Michael Spinks. Both are chumps.
It's a disgrace. Boxing is dead.
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To be truthful, it’s been dead a while. Guys can make more money in UFC, etc..
It just doesn’t hold the same allure that it used to.
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Kaos is right, the older guys would destroy the guys in the heavyweight now. But boxing is far from dead. It generates 10 fold more revenue for the fighters than UFC will ever hope to bring in. There is a reason why Conner McGregor left his glorious name in UFC to box Mayweather. He got paid more for that one boxing exhibition than he will ever make in UFC.
Remember, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean a shit ton of other people don’t love it and spend top dollar on it.
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Kaos is right, the older guys would destroy the guys in the heavyweight now. But boxing is far from dead. It generates 10 fold more revenue for the fighters than UFC will ever hope to bring in. There is a reason why Conner McGregor left his glorious name in UFC to box Mayweather. He got paid more for that one boxing exhibition than he will ever make in UFC.
Remember, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean a shit ton of other people don’t love it and spend top dollar on it.
It’s big money for the top, but the lower levels don’t get paid on a consistent basis like in UFC.
it’s a steady paycheck versus a lottery win.
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Wilder went about that fight all wrong and he and his team know it. He was too heavy (231 pounds - up 19 from his usual fighting weight). He was trying to knock out a guy who is built like a brick outhouse who also had a reach advantage. Fury, in their first fight, tried to out-box Wilder and mostly did. He got caught twice and that's why it was a tie. Those two knockdowns should have signaled to the Wilder camp that they needed to refine his technique and box a smarter fight instead of trying to bully Fury. Fury's camp trained him to go after Wilder - take the fight to the bully - and it clearly got Wilder off his game.
How would they do against HW greats of the past? Hard to totally know but I'm inclined to agree with the lot of you that the current crop wouldn't do all that well. However, they are what we have and as a lifelong fan of the sport, I still keep up with what's happening in the HW ranks.
Where does Wilder go from here? Fury clearly wants Anthony Joshua (who is a straight up poser, btw). Joshua has two other fights he's obligated to before accepting that challenge. Fury-Wilder III would draw a crowd, but Wilder is going to have to wait in line. I expect Fury will schedule a bum to drop while he waits on Joshua and Wilder will probably get in a couple tune ups before taking another shot at Fury. If Joshua somehow unifies the belts and beats Fury, that's gonna spark an immediate rematch. By then, Wilder is going to be pushing 40 and may be done.
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A big fat doughy shithouse. That lumpy bag of turds looks like a D level wrestler slumming for $29 a night in matches held at the VFW.
Built? Yeah. That Pillsbury boy is built too.
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A big fat doughy shoothouse. That lumpy bag of turds looks like a D level wrestler slumming for $29 a night in matches held at the VFW.
Built? Yeah. That Pillsbury boy is built too.
Look - Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson (in prime), Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, et. al. would shred those dudes, but none of those guys are in the fight game anymore.
It's like comparing Bo Jackson and Boobee Whitlow.
We have to work with what we have.
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Look - Evander Holyfield, Mike Tyson (in prime), Sugar Ray Robinson, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, et. al. would shred those dudes, but none of those guys are in the fight game anymore.
It's like comparing Bo Jackson and Boobee Whitlow.
We have to work with what we have.
Or not.
I'm not impressed with flobby Gerry Gooney even if he does have an Irish accent.
The guy's a clown.
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The one thing I'd disagree on Tyson, prime or not, beating Fury. You can point and laugh at his physique, but this 6'9" dude has quick, heavy hands and can box. Tyson destroyed a line of tomato cans. As soon as he started facing anyone with skills, he was way overmatched. Tyson was a one trick pony and dumb as a sack of wet mice.
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Where's the football angle here?
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Where's the football angle here?
Have you investigated your buttock cavity? It might be there.
Okay, it's a stretch but Evander Holyfield was evoked in this thread. His sons went to AU and UGA. He was a boxer.
Therefore. Game over.
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Have you investigated your buttock cavity? It might be there.
Okay, it's a stretch but Evander Holyfield was evoked in this thread. His sons went to AU and UGA. He was a boxer.
Therefore. Game over.
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Turns out Tyson Fury wasn't a badass after all. Wilder lost because of his 40 pound entrance costume.
“He didn’t hurt me at all, but the simple fact is ... that my uniform was way too heavy for me,†Wilder told Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/deontay-wilder-says-40-pound-costume-left-his-legs-dead-in-a-seventhround-tko-loss-to-tyson-fury-215534451.html). “I didn’t have no legs from the beginning of the fight. In the third round, my legs were just shot all the way through. But I’m a warrior and people know that I’m a warrior. It could easily be told that I didn’t have legs or anything. A lot of people were telling me, ‘It looked like something was wrong with you.’ Something was, but when you’re in the ring, you have to bluff a lot of things. I tried my best to do so. I knew I didn’t have the legs because of my uniform."
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And that gnat that kept flying into my eye. I woulda won if it weren't for that costume and the gnat.
Oh, and the lights kept getting in my eyes too. And those poor dogs I just saw on that ASPCA commercial.
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Wilder went about that fight all wrong and he and his team know it. He was too heavy (231 pounds - up 19 from his usual fighting weight). He was trying to knock out a guy who is built like a brick outhouse who also had a reach advantage. Fury, in their first fight, tried to out-box Wilder and mostly did. He got caught twice and that's why it was a tie. Those two knockdowns should have signaled to the Wilder camp that they needed to refine his technique and box a smarter fight instead of trying to bully Fury. Fury's camp trained him to go after Wilder - take the fight to the bully - and it clearly got Wilder off his game.
How would they do against HW greats of the past? Hard to totally know but I'm inclined to agree with the lot of you that the current crop wouldn't do all that well. However, they are what we have and as a lifelong fan of the sport, I still keep up with what's happening in the HW ranks.
Where does Wilder go from here? Fury clearly wants Anthony Joshua (who is a straight up poser, btw). Joshua has two other fights he's obligated to before accepting that challenge. Fury-Wilder III would draw a crowd, but Wilder is going to have to wait in line. I expect Fury will schedule a bum to drop while he waits on Joshua and Wilder will probably get in a couple tune ups before taking another shot at Fury. If Joshua somehow unifies the belts and beats Fury, that's gonna spark an immediate rematch. By then, Wilder is going to be pushing 40 and may be done.
Wilder had first right of refusal for a Part 3 and has exercised it. So it will happen.
Just on pure Boxing talent, this one isn't even a close contest. Wilder is a well built, physical specimen who likes to raw brawl. He's also below avg IQ in ring and out.
Fury is actually a pretty good technical boxer. He's smart. If you watch him jab, measure it out, evaluate in fight and adjust - he's pretty savvy. Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield? Maybe not but he's pretty good. Not every boxer needs to look like he's on roids and shredded. Most of the great boxers of old looked more realistic. Anybody between the age of 35-65 has gotten desensitized in re to Boxing because of Rocky, Holyfield and Tyson.Most boxers don't look like that. Never have.
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Wilder had first right of refusal for a Part 3 and has exercised it. So it will happen.
Just on pure Boxing talent, this one isn't even a close contest. Wilder is a well built, physical specimen who likes to raw brawl. He's also below avg IQ in ring and out.
Fury is actually a pretty good technical boxer. He's smart. If you watch him jab, measure it out, evaluate in fight and adjust - he's pretty savvy. Lewis, Bowe, Holyfield? Maybe not but he's pretty good. Not every boxer needs to look like he's on roids and shredded. Most of the great boxers of old looked more realistic. Anybody between the age of 35-65 has gotten desensitized in re to Boxing because of Rocky, Holyfield and Tyson.Most boxers don't look like that. Never have.
You don't know what you're talking about. The great ones have always been chiseled out of granite.
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You don't know what you're talking about. The great ones have always been chiseled out of granite.
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welcome back chopper!
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welcome back chopper!
Powerful guy. Just didn't have a lot of reach.
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Powerful guy. Just didn't have a lot of reach.
I love the internet
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I love the internet
T. rex wept
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Butterbean would like to have a word with y’all!
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Butterbean would like to have a word with y’all!
I prefer zipper peas. Got a gallon bag of those the other night and cooked them up with some inch thick, smoked pork chops.
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I prefer zipper peas. Got a gallon bag of those the other night and cooked them up with some inch thick, smoked pork chops.
That is you...on the flo!
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That is you...on the flo!
I knew if I hung around long enough, I would eventually chuckle at something that you posted. But it has been painfully difficult.
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Well, I stand corrected. As GH mentioned, Wilder did indeed exercise his rematch clause and that's happening this July in Vegas.
Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder to complete trilogy in July
https://sports.yahoo.com/tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-rematch-trilogy-mgm-grand-july-042839319.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-rematch-trilogy-mgm-grand-july-042839319.html)
The trilogy fight between Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder has a date.
The two heavyweights will meet at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas on July 18, Top Rank’s Bob Arum told the Los Angeles Times. The fight will occur just five months after Fury’s dominant win over Wilder.
From the Times:
“We received a letter from Wilder’s team on Friday night, and we agreed with the networks and the hotel that July 18 was the optimal date,†Arum told The Times. “We had a seamless promotion last time with Al Haymon, PBC [Premier Boxing Champions] and Fox. We look forward to working with them again.â€
Wilder quickly exercised the rematch clause in his contract after falling to Fury via seventh-round TKO.
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Well, I stand corrected. As GH mentioned, Wilder did indeed exercise his rematch clause and that's happening this July in Vegas.
Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder to complete trilogy in July
https://sports.yahoo.com/tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-rematch-trilogy-mgm-grand-july-042839319.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-rematch-trilogy-mgm-grand-july-042839319.html)
Could not possibly care less
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Could not possibly care less
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Just ran across a video of the three Frazier-Ali fights.
Makes me realize even more what chumps and clowns these two posers Fury and Wilder are.
Joe Frazier was grown man. He would have killed both of them at the same time. Ali? He'd slice either of them to ribbons. He fought a series of goofy ass goons like Tyson Fury over his career and made them look stupid. This would be no different.
I had forgotten, but I really wish Eddie had let Joe come out for the 15th round in the third fight between Frazier and Ali. All Joe would have to have done was walk to the center of the ring and watch Ali topple at his feet. But Futch sat him and Clay took the belt.
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I get it, Joe had taken a beating like I've never seen any man suffer outside a movie. But it just sucked that he took all that punishment through 14 brutal rounds and was denied the payoff for absorbing it. Ali was done. His legs were gone. He wouldn't have survived the 15th.
That was boxing. This pansy ass, blubber flab shit now? Pffft.
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Yep, boxers in Ali's era were bad ass.
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Joe Frazier, Joe Louis - prob my fav 2 of all time....Holmes, even Foreman. And the 80's/90's era guys - Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, Hearns, Hagler, Leonard - all very dominate and respectable boxers.
Hard to leave out Marciano, and then the rags to riches underdog types like Braddock and Wepner. Boxing, much like "rasslin" - was always about the personalities and then backing it up in a tough fashion. I miss that.
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Hard to leave out Marciano,
That's their one! That's their one!
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That's their one! That's their one!
Every time start talkin' bout boxing, white man gotta' bring up Rocky Marciano. Let me tell you somethin'....
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That's their one! That's their one!
He beat Joe Louis’ ass.