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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on December 03, 2019, 04:09:50 PM
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A quick rundown of CGM's record at Auburn. I apparently have too much time on my hands, but pardon me if I missed a game or two.
Overall Record at Auburn: 62-30
Bowl Record: 2-4
Non-Power 5 Opponents: 22-1 (UCF)
Power 5 OOC Opponents: 5-5
LSU: 2-5
FUGA: 2-6
Bama: 3-4
Obviously, a combined 7-15 against those 3. Conversely, he's made hay against:
Arkansas: 6-1
Ole Miss: 6-1
Texas A&M: 6-1
He has 1 SEC Title in 2013 and played for the MNC that year as well.
He has 1 SEC West Title in 2017.
ACC: 0-3
PAC 12: 3-0
Big 10: 1-1
Big 12: 0-1
The elephant in the room (pun/no pun intended) is our record vs. LSU, FUGA & Bama. Too many of those games that just plain got away from us. The losses against Bama were pretty much legit because lets face it, they were just better than us by a long shot. Way too many of those against LSU and FUGA that should have been W's.
The only one that kind of surprises me is how we've handled Texas A&M. The one loss to them is also one that got away. Could very easily be 7-0.
Opine if thou wishest.
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My opinion: he's overpaid, but a solid coach (in most respects).
He's frustratingly stubborn and a bit too loyal/paranoid with his staff.
I have no appetite for a coaching search. Lots of programs shopping this year.
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My opinion: he's overpaid, but a solid coach (in most respects).
He's frustratingly stubborn and a bit too loyal/paranoid with his staff.
I have no appetite for a coaching search. Lots of programs shopping this year.
^^What he said
Honestly the biggest beefs I have had against Gustav are:
1. The way he loses to LSU most years (build a lead and run into the 0 gap the rest of the game)
2. The way the team has looked against FUGA (save the 2017 regular season tilt)
c. The bowl record...or more accurately the way the team plays in "meaningful" bowls (see FUGA)
Otherwise, he is pretty solid overall. If he would pull an Orgeron and hire a passing game coordinator that knows a little bit about the forward pass, he could go from the 7-9 win coarch to the 10-11 win coarch we are pining to see.
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My opinion: he's overpaid, but a solid coach (in most respects).
He's frustratingly stubborn and a bit too loyal/paranoid with his staff.
I have no appetite for a coaching search. Lots of programs shopping this year.
Speaking of....I believe we should be hearing who FSU is hiring here in the next 24-48. At least that's the word on teh skreets. That's a weird one to me. Why fire somebody mid-season if you don't have a deal in place for the next guy? If they don't have someone right now, they're just back in the boat with a bunch of other Power 5's looking for a corch.
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Gus is 5-2 vs aTm, with losses in 2014 and 2016.
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Speaking of....I believe we should be hearing who FSU is hiring here in the next 24-48. At least that's the word on teh skreets. That's a weird one to me. Why fire somebody mid-season if you don't have a deal in place for the next guy? If they don't have someone right now, they're just back in the boat with a bunch of other Power 5's looking for a corch.
Lane Kiffin
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My opinion: he's overpaid, but a solid coach (in most respects).
He's frustratingly stubborn and a bit too loyal/paranoid with his staff.
I have no appetite for a coaching search. Lots of programs shopping this year.
This...
But I'll change too: "I have no appetite for a coaching search." We have no leadership at the top that makes me think they would choose someone better.
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c. The bowl record...or more accurately the way the team plays in "meaningful" bowls (see FUGA)
I gotta say I could give two shits about our bowl record. They mean zilch unless you are playing in the final 4. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to win, but who the fuck cares anymore.
Honestly, I hope Big Bad Brown and Mac Daddy Davidson choose not to play in the game.
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Bad snap against A@M-shit happens.
Totally unprepared against UCF- I can even get over that as we just lost our will after losing to UGA...AGAIN due to being totally unprepared AGAIN!
Place the debacle against Tennessee here. They need bracketing.
The losses to Arky and Ole Miss?
Okay they were likely at their highest point in decades.
No excuse to lose to Mullen. Outcoached!
I'm going to stop here.
We dominate everyone in the SEC West with the exception of Alabama and LSU.
LSU owns us, even moreso now that Ed is in charge.
Our no answer high school offense murders our chances to advance beyond third place in the SEC West.
We have great talent. Every fucking talking head, former and current coaches all agree.
It's our paranoid, narcissistic head coach. He has to micro-manage every detail so he can prove his self worth over a plate of hash browns.
That offensive line play is attrocious.
Not Auburn football. Weak but fixable with someone that has a demeanor similar to Rodney Garner.
Wide receiver group is the most talented we've ever had overall as a group...and a pathetic waste. No more direction here than a 2A high school veer offense that throws the ball a half dozen times a game.
He will not change.
It has to be mostly, but not all about GUS.
And how Kevin Steele can sit idly by without privately confronting Gus and calling it what it is is beyond me.
Money and our good thing be damned.
MAGA!
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I gotta say I could give two shoots about our bowl record. They mean zilch unless you are playing in the final 4. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to win, but who the fudge cares anymore.
Honestly, I hope Big Bad Brown and Mac Daddy Davidson choose not to play in the game.
That's why it was a little c...but that either helps or hurts his team's perception and psyche going into the next season imho.
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Gus is 5-2 vs aTm, with losses in 2014 and 2016.
Derp! Missed that.
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I gotta say I could give two shits about our bowl record. They mean zilch unless you are playing in the final 4. Don't get me wrong, I'd like to win, but who the fuck cares anymore.
Honestly, I hope Big Bad Brown and Mac Daddy Davidson choose not to play in the game.
You are correct, sir. Yes, I want to win every time we step foot on the field, but the Bowl games are nothing but meaningless exhibitions. Just entertainment. And higher profile players are doing the smart thing more and more by choosing not to risk their future.
My only request is that if you choose to play, give it your best effort. Remember how Jeff Holland used to fly off the edge every play and give the QB something to at least think about? In the UCF game, I'm not sure he ever rushed the passer. He was like, "Yeah, I'm gonna' take a few steps over here and maybe set the edge. Now, don't hit me so hard."
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Derp! Missed that.
Oh this changes everything.
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Lane Kiffin
Sarkisian has to want to leave Saban.
Washington might not want him from that drunken USC booster incident but the guy can coach.
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My opinion: he's overpaid, but a solid coach (in most respects).
He's frustratingly stubborn and a bit too loyal/paranoid with his staff.
I have no appetite for a coaching search. Lots of programs shopping this year.
can't disagree with any of it but the last...it seems to be the excuse each year. i'm guilty too.
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can't disagree with any of it but the last...it seems to be the excuse each year. i'm guilty too.
It's a fact. Last year was a decent year for coach shopping, but 17 and 19 were/are a seller's/Sexton market.
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So, if I am distilling this all, we should accept our place in the pecking order of things and be thankful for what we have in CGM because he keeps us out of trouble, the players love him, and he really sticks it in the Saban/Bama craw more often than others? He owns the twin Mississippi embarrassments and Arkansas, and aTm. Are we to just accept we are in line behind Bama, fUGA, LSU, and UF?
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So, if I am distilling this all, we should accept our place in the pecking order of things and be thankful for what we have in CGM because he keeps us out of trouble, the players love him, and he really sticks it in the Saban/Bama craw more often than others? He owns the twin Mississippi embarrassments and Arkansas, and aTm. Are we to just accept we are in line behind Bama, fUGA, LSU, and UF?
Not my point...my point is based on the current state of affairs at Auburn in the leadership roles of President, BoT and AD. YES
and we aren't behind bama we are in front of them.
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Not my point...my point is based on the current state of affairs at Auburn in the leadership roles of President, BoT and AD. YES
and we aren't behind bama we are in front of them.
I agree on the leadership end of things. Not sure that will ever change. Last I heard, Gogue may be up for a second term.
We are in front of Bama this year. We weren't last year. Overall, are we in front of them, really? Got to be honest about that.
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I agree on the leadership end of things. Not sure that will ever change. Last I heard, Gogue may be up for a second term.
We are in front of Bama this year. We weren't last year. Overall, are we in front of them, really? Got to be honest about that.
Not many are in front of them...we have been more than most.
Again I am taking multiple things into account. Unless Bob Stoops is coming (hint: he isn't) give me another name that makes you say hell yeah (that would actually make the lateral move). There are guys out there that "I think" would be better. Guys like PJ Fleck, Mike Norvell but we don't really know. So we fire a guy that went 9-3 to take a flier on someone else for a shit ton of money?
I think our expectations as fans have gotten out of whack (and yes I am also referring to myself) Call it the Saban factor call it the four team playoff. (Which I think has ruined college football).
I don't think Gus is the long term answer at Auburn, but for right now, at least another year, I agree with keeping him. We as fans though have got to get off the guys ass if he loses one game (myself included). and No beating bammer doesn't make my season, but beating our biggest rival and being 9-3 is certainly more palatable than being 8-4.
tl;dr we will have Gus next year and after the first loss I will be on here screaming to fire him.
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Thinking about this a bit more, I can't help but agree with you guys. Here is my thing and I am going to try to leave this alone. My biggest problem with Gus are those inexplicable Gus moments that makes absolutely no sense. You know, the play calls that a Rec league coach can defend out with ease. Also, its the Gus pride. You know, the pride that doesn't allow him to surround himself with good coaching especially on offense. Hey Gus, this isn't Nazi Germany and no one here is trying to steal your secrets. Gus's biggest problem is himself which in turn makes him look like a fool at times and makes us look like fools for following/supporting him. Momma didn't raise no fool. I don't want Auburn to be in search for another HC. It would be nice to for Auburn to build on the rock thats already there and just become better and stronger. In the area of football though, thats gonna take Gus making some changes from within the program and himself.
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Not many are in front of them...we have been more than most.
Again I am taking multiple things into account. Unless Bob Stoops is coming (hint: he isn't) give me another name that makes you say hell yeah (that would actually make the lateral move). There are guys out there that "I think" would be better. Guys like PJ Fleck, Mike Norvell but we don't really know. So we fire a guy that went 9-3 to take a flier on someone else for a shoot ton of money?
I think our expectations as fans have gotten out of whack (and yes I am also referring to myself) Call it the Saban factor call it the four team playoff. (Which I think has ruined college football).
I don't think Gus is the long term answer at Auburn, but for right now, at least another year, I agree with keeping him. We as fans though have got to get off the guys ass if he loses one game (myself included). and No beating bammer doesn't make my season, but beating our biggest rival and being 9-3 is certainly more palatable than being 8-4.
tl;dr we will have Gus next year and after the first loss I will be on here screaming to fire him.
Agree and Like
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Not many are in front of them...we have been more than most.
Again I am taking multiple things into account. Unless Bob Stoops is coming (hint: he isn't) give me another name that makes you say hell yeah (that would actually make the lateral move). There are guys out there that "I think" would be better. Guys like PJ Fleck, Mike Norvell but we don't really know. So we fire a guy that went 9-3 to take a flier on someone else for a shit ton of money?
I think our expectations as fans have gotten out of whack (and yes I am also referring to myself) Call it the Saban factor call it the four team playoff. (Which I think has ruined college football).
I don't think Gus is the long term answer at Auburn, but for right now, at least another year, I agree with keeping him. We as fans though have got to get off the guys ass if he loses one game (myself included). and No beating bammer doesn't make my season, but beating our biggest rival and being 9-3 is certainly more palatable than being 8-4.
tl;dr we will have Gus next year and after the first loss I will be on here screaming to fire him.
I just rubbed my wiener all over your post and it got hard....the post and the wiener.
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Not many are in front of them...we have been more than most.
Again I am taking multiple things into account. Unless Bob Stoops is coming (hint: he isn't) give me another name that makes you say hell yeah (that would actually make the lateral move). There are guys out there that "I think" would be better. Guys like PJ Fleck, Mike Norvell but we don't really know. So we fire a guy that went 9-3 to take a flier on someone else for a shit ton of money?
I think our expectations as fans have gotten out of whack (and yes I am also referring to myself) Call it the Saban factor call it the four team playoff. (Which I think has ruined college football).
I don't think Gus is the long term answer at Auburn, but for right now, at least another year, I agree with keeping him. We as fans though have got to get off the guys ass if he loses one game (myself included). and No beating bammer doesn't make my season, but beating our biggest rival and being 9-3 is certainly more palatable than being 8-4.
tl;dr we will have Gus next year and after the first loss I will be on here screaming to fire him.
I am here. I don't trust any of the fuckers in leadership to make a good decision. I thought that would all go away when we got rid of JJ, but it has just continued. We owe him a shit ton of money. No one out there really catches my eye. Do I think Norvell, Fleck or the guy from ISU can come to Auburn and be successful? Yes I do, but are any of those guys worth dropping a shit ton on money for Gus and staffs buyouts, the new coaches buyout and then have to pay him and his staff a hefty salary. I just don't see it happening. All I know is I am tired of fussing and bitching about Gus and his inability to get out of his own way.
I had a neighbor that coached HS ball in Arkansas and Mississippi and he said that he has met Gus on several occasions. He told me that when we hired him that his pride would be his downfall. That he was hellbent on showing the world that his offense could be successful in the toughest league in the nation. I have no reason to doubt him because we can see it happening.
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Let me say something about fan/administration support. This applies to Gus or any corch at pretty much any Power 5 school. There will ALWAYS be a faction of fans at every school that think someone else would be better. Gus has lost 3-5 games every year for 6 straight now and there are fans, like me, who want a change. But guess what, I've heard more calls than I can count the past few days to local and national shows that think Father Time has caught up with Nick Saban. Heard one caller yesterday say he was embarrassed of this team and this defense is "an abortion". Saban had better fire everybody.
But unless Gus, Saban or any other coach are listening to these talk shows or perusing the twatters and message boards all day, they don't hear shit from the fans. Sure, I'd love to see someone else at the helm here at AU. But 90% of my griping is done right here on the good ole X. And Ear-regardless of what I think of any Auburn coach, my fat ass is still going to be planted firmly in Section 8, Row 44, Seat 9 every game day. Except for Samford. It was raining.
As for the administration, do you guys actually think Gus Malzahn needs any more "support" than a 7 year, $49,000,000 deal with a buyout the size of Cleveland? I have a sneaky suspicion that Corch Malzahn feels nothing but love from the Auburn fambly. But support or not, he's still going to do things his way, right or wrong.
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I had a neighbor that coached HS ball in Arkansas and Mississippi and he said that he has met Gus on several occasions. He told me that when we hired him that his pride would be his downfall. That he was hellbent on showing the world that his offense could be successful in the toughest league in the nation. I have no reason to doubt him because we can see it happening.
I think his time at Arkansas solidified in his mind his correct-ness on all football related topics. He was the hotness brought in with a core group of hotshot recruits. His shit was rocking and rolling until Nutt decided he hated Gus getting all the pub...and castrated him.
I think to Gus Nutt=Haterrrrrzzzz. He proved them wrong once and now he is stuck with that mindset.
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I think to Gus Nutt=Haterrrrrzzzz. He proved them wrong once and now he is stuck with that mindset.
That mindset usually does not end well. I am hoping that ole Gus is smarter than that and sees that its ok to trust a coaching staff to make his job easier. Perhaps he sees himself much like Nutt and wouldn't like sharing the spotlight, as far as offense goes anyways.
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That mindset usually does not end well. I am hoping that ole Gus is smarter than that and sees that its ok to trust a coaching staff to make his job easier. Perhaps he sees himself much like Nutt and wouldn't like sharing the spotlight, as far as offense goes anyways.
I think his formative experience in big boy football is the bedrock of his coaching personality. People, generally speaking, don't change.
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Let me say something about fan/administration support. This applies to Gus or any corch at pretty much any Power 5 school. There will ALWAYS be a faction of fans at every school that think someone else would be better. Gus has lost 3-5 games every year for 6 straight now and there are fans, like me, who want a change. But guess what, I've heard more calls than I can count the past few days to local and national shows that think Father Time has caught up with Nick Saban. Heard one caller yesterday say he was embarrassed of this team and this defense is "an abortion". Saban had better fire everybody.
But unless Gus, Saban or any other coach are listening to these talk shows or perusing the twatters and message boards all day, they don't hear shit from the fans. Sure, I'd love to see someone else at the helm here at AU. But 90% of my griping is done right here on the good ole X. And Ear-regardless of what I think of any Auburn coach, my fat ass is still going to be planted firmly in Section 8, Row 44, Seat 9 every game day. Except for Samford. It was raining.
As for the administration, do you guys actually think Gus Malzahn needs any more "support" than a 7 year, $49,000,000 deal with a buyout the size of Cleveland? I have a sneaky suspicion that Corch Malzahn feels nothing but love from the Auburn fambly. But support or not, he's still going to do things his way, right or wrong.
Your ass isn’t fat. It’s....nice.
I say this with all sincerity but I think Gus could benefit from a sports psychologist. This is his main issue. Pride. Paranoia. Outthinking. I generally like the guy. But he has some hiccups upstairs.
Get a solid smart gamer qb who can..run RPO. Run hunh. Run it til the other side passes out. Like we did in 2010, 2013. Stick to it. With all the window dressing and kitchen sink. He doesn’t stick to it. We are best when we run it. Just like the best team in the nfl is running right now.
The garbage I saw against Uf? Not even close to it.
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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-time-has-come-for-auburn-to-embrace-the-flaws-and-successes-of-gus-malzahn/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/the-time-has-come-for-auburn-to-embrace-the-flaws-and-successes-of-gus-malzahn/)
The time has come for Auburn to embrace the flaws and successes of Gus Malzahn
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Just superficial damage. Should still be fine.
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Find another Nick Marshall to pair with our draw it up in the dirt passing tree and thank the Nix family for their patronage. That's the quick fix with our current receiver talent and having to replace 4/5ths of the offensive line.
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I have to admit that Malzahn made some adjustments in the passing game as the season went on. I assume he saw that the slants were available since he went to them more and more. Although, Bama pretty much took those away for the most part. The first play of the game to Schwartz is also something that could be a weapon and used way more often. Running that drag pattern with a burner like Schwartz is the titz. I remember Terry Bowden used to call that a lot. Run the receivers off and drag Sanders behind them. Unstoppable.
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Find another Nick Marshall to pair with our draw it up in the dirt passing tree and thank the Nix family for their patronage. That's the quick fix with our current receiver talent and having to replace 4/5ths of the offensive line.
I was told there would be no math, but I thought it was 5/5ths we have to replace?
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I was told there would be no math, but I thought it was 5/5ths we have to replace?
Not the center
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I was told there would be no math, but I thought it was 5/5ths we have to replace?
That's about 93%, right?
Actually, Nick Brahms took over at center for Cream Puff Kim.
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Not the center
Curses. Beat me by 11 seconds.
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I was told there would be no math, but I thought it was 5/5ths we have to replace?
Math in the state of Alabama is like Chinese or something, right? :blink:
Kim was the starter from game one but was replaced by Brahms against LSU.
Neverminds...Snags solved the problem.
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I have to admit that Malzahn made some adjustments in the passing game as the season went on. I assume he saw that the slants were available since he went to them more and more. Although, Bama pretty much took those away for the most part. The first play of the game to Schwartz is also something that could be a weapon and used way more often. Running that drag pattern with a burner like Schwartz is the titz. I remember Terry Bowden used to call that a lot. Run the receivers off and drag Sanders behind them. Unstoppable.
Did Schwartz catch a ball this season?
I remember Canella and Hastings catching one each against Alabama.
Pretty tricky that Gus.
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That's about 93%, right?
Actually, Nick Brahms took over at center for Cream Puff Kim.
So that's why we got some push in the middle late season...
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Did Schwartz catch a ball this season?
I remember Canella and Hastings catching one each against Alabama.
Pretty tricky that Gus.
I know sarcasm, but had to check anyway.
35 catches for 391 yds and 1 TD.
The first couple of games can be forgiven with the club hand. Only had the opening play catch against Bama then out with an injury. So many ways they could use this guy's speed.
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I know sarcasm, but had to check anyway.
35 catches for 391 yds and 1 TD.
The first couple of games can be forgiven with the club hand. Only had the opening play catch against Bama then out with an injury. So many ways they could use this guy's speed.
Honestly I think the sheer neglect of not getting this guy the ball downfield (as with Waddle) makes me crazier than anything else because it opens the sidelines and middle portions of the field which we should attack with both backs and receivers constantly. Then Boobee is running in open lanes for 10 to 20 yards instead of squatting. Even Nix becomes a bigger threat and he only has to do it a couple of times.
We have great talent, better than 9/10ths of all of college football but we have no Patrino, Sark or Leach to make it click like a well oiled machine.
No.
We got a Kodi with the ever important obligatory "we love him."
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The look on his face when the interview with Andy Burcham begins tells me a lot.
He looks like every Auburn fan I know looked Saturday and Sunday. He's happy, exhausted, excited, proud. Like a little kid on Christmas morning. I want that in our coach. I want him to enjoy it. So much better than that morose, miserable garbage we get from the other side win or lose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGGXoG7R3o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGGXoG7R3o)
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The look on his face when the interview with Andy Burcham begins tells me a lot.
He looks like every Auburn fan I know looked Saturday and Sunday. He's happy, exhausted, excited, proud. Like a little kid on Christmas morning. I want that in our coach. I want him to enjoy it. So much better than that morose, miserable garbage we get from the other side win or lose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGGXoG7R3o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbGGXoG7R3o)
Yeah I'm with you brother. If you're going to be neurotic at least drive home an energetic message.