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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on September 17, 2019, 09:52:51 AM
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Yes, this is a few days old, but I haven't seen it discussed. As far as my feelings about the subject go, I'm ambivalous.....err, ambiguitous....umm ambidextrious....I'm on the fence. On one hand, it seems reasonable and I've always had a bit of a problem with the handcuffs the NCAA puts on athletes as far as allowing them to earn money on their own. On the other, I get the sense that Pandora's Box may have just cracked open ever so slightly and this could start us down the road to the end of college athletics as we know it. Because if this comes to pass, it absolutely will not stop here. si dot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!! I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others. I like male genatalia in and around my mouth.
SACRAMENTO, Calif. — The California Assembly has passed legislation to let college athletes make money, setting up a confrontation with the NCAA that could jeopardize the athletic futures of programs at USC, UCLA and Stanford.
The bill would let college athletes hire agents and be paid for the use of their name, image or likeness. And it would stop universities and the NCAA from banning athletes who take the money.
The Assembly passed the bill 66-0 on Monday, a few days after the bill got an endorsement from NBA superstar LeBron James, who did not go to college.
Universities oppose the bill, and the NCAA has warned the bill could mean California universities would be ineligible for national championships.
The California Senate must take a final vote on the bill by Friday.
What say you?
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It will essentially remove the term "amateur athlete" from college football.
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Mike Leach weighs in.
"The state of California has trouble keeping their streets clean right now, so my thought is that they probably ought to focus on that,â€
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Mike Leach weighs in.
"The state of California has trouble keeping their streets clean right now, so my thought is that they probably ought to focus on that,â€
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Tuscaloosa has a tried and true formula.
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I think it's a very bad idea. Because where does it stop, what about basketball players, what about baseball players, what about women's sports.
The way I look at it is this these kids get a full ride, room, board, and meals to go to college. Many have student debt loans they can't pay off. I would argue that is their payment. It's also pretty simple no one forces these kids to play anything, you don't like the way the system "pays you" meaning a free ride in college. Fine don't play the sport.
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Is this supposed to eventually mimic the Olympic model?
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I think it's a very bad idea. Because where does it stop, what about basketball players, what about baseball players, what about women's sports.
The way I look at it is this these kids get a full ride, room, board, and meals to go to college. Many have student debt loans they can't pay off. I would argue that is their payment. It's also pretty simple no one forces these kids to play anything, you don't like the way the system "pays you" meaning a free ride in college. Fine don't play the sport.
I want to "like" your post but I will just have to hump it instead.
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I think it's a very bad idea. Because where does it stop, what about basketball players, what about baseball players, what about women's sports.
The way I look at it is this these kids get a full ride, room, board, and meals to go to college. Many have student debt loans they can't pay off. I would argue that is their payment. It's also pretty simple no one forces these kids to play anything, you don't like the way the system "pays you" meaning a free ride in college. Fine don't play the sport.
When Pandora's Box is fully opened, here's what I envision. Obviously, the next step is revenue sharing. The kids want a piece of that pie that the Universities and NCAA are raking in from ticket sales, apparel/gear sales and TV revenue. These agents that the kids are signing with will push them to unionize. And to your point, Title IX says you can't limit it to certain sports. If you're a student athlete in any sport, you are just as entitled as the star quarterback. Now, here's where you destroy college sports.
Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Clemson, FSU, the Ohio State etc. can probably afford to do it. Troy and Central Michigan and Toledo and Kent State are all just keeping their collective heads above water. So you effectively all but kill most of the non Power 5 programs. Not just football....all programs. But here's where it gets dicey. When you start requiring the Universities to participate in revenue sharing with the student athletes, the athlete's tax exempt status is going to end. Uncle Sam is not going to allow a few hundred thousand college athletes to get 4 year scholarships worth between $100K - $200K, and then share in possibly billions of revenue, and not take his piece of the pie.
A few years ago, a group of athletes from Northwestern, attempted to change the designation of student athlete to employee, so they could share in the revenue. Guess what the law requires employers to do for employees? Provide Worker's Compensation benefits. So any injury suffered by the athlete while "on the job", entitles them to a life time medical benefit along with compensation for any permanent injury, among other things. Do they owe the athletes health insurance?
What we're going to wind up with, sooner than later, is a handful of Power 5 schools forming a conference of their own. The rest can go the way of Division 3 schools and do away with athletic scholarships and the students can participate in athletics for the sheer joy of competition.
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Bernie Sanders has a plan that will definitely work.
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Bernie Sanders has a plan that will definitely work.
Bankrupt the country and end all forms of joy we currently know?
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Bankrupt the country and end all forms of joy we currently know?
Yes.
My dear comrade,
You deserve a portion of the massive wealth of this country and as we are all learning, joy is overrated.
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I think it's a very bad idea. Because where does it stop, what about basketball players, what about baseball players, what about women's sports.
The way I look at it is this these kids get a full ride, room, board, and meals to go to college. Many have student debt loans they can't pay off. I would argue that is their payment. It's also pretty simple no one forces these kids to play anything, you don't like the way the system "pays you" meaning a free ride in college. Fine don't play the sport.
Agree
It’s a big Pandora’s box to open. That won’t be able to be closed once open.
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Bankrupt the country and end all forms of joy we currently know?
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Danny Kanell and Douche McElroy were discussing it this morning with McElroy saying its going to be inevitable that players are going to get paid. He was for it but doing it in the "right" way whatever that means he didn't really have an answer.
Kanell never really gave an opinion just played devils advocate to both sides of the story.
One thing that McElroy said that I just don't understand is this. He said he had parents with money so money was never an issue with him that if he was getting paid he would have rather seen it go to a pool for his less unfortunate teammates. Ok nice sentiment, but then follows it up with there were guys family's that were just scrapping by whose parents didn't have jobs. Ok I get it, sucks and this is going to sound callous, but why is it the player's responsibility to be paid so that he can take care of his parents. Look he's in college by that shear definition he's getting an education (hopefully) that whether he makes it or not in the pros will allow him to break the cycle of his parent's current situation.
Actually Kanell kind of did give an opinion now that I think about it. He said he would like to see the situation stay the same, meaning players don't get paid, but they have the ability to leave college at anytime to move to the pro's. I suppose I could be ok with that although I think it would dilute the sport, I don't think HS players even one year removed have the strength nor ability to jump straight to the pros, this isn't like Basketball or Baseball (non-contact sports), I don't think a 19 year old is PHYSICALLY able to handle the NFL plus there really aren't developmental leagues like there are in Baseball and Basketball.
I just don't see how the easiest thing to do is just give the kids a little bigger stipend.
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Danny Kanell and Douche McElroy were discussing it this morning with McElroy saying its going to be inevitable that players are going to get paid. He was for it but doing it in the "right" way whatever that means he didn't really have an answer.
Kanell never really gave an opinion just played devils advocate to both sides of the story.
One thing that McElroy said that I just don't understand is this. He said he had parents with money so money was never an issue with him that if he was getting paid he would have rather seen it go to a pool for his less unfortunate teammates. Ok nice sentiment, but then follows it up with there were guys family's that were just scrapping by whose parents didn't have jobs. Ok I get it, sucks and this is going to sound callous, but why is it the player's responsibility to be paid so that he can take care of his parents. Look he's in college by that shear definition he's getting an education (hopefully) that whether he makes it or not in the pros will allow him to break the cycle of his parent's current situation.
Actually Kanell kind of did give an opinion now that I think about it. He said he would like to see the situation stay the same, meaning players don't get paid, but they have the ability to leave college at anytime to move to the pro's. I suppose I could be ok with that although I think it would dilute the sport, I don't think HS players even one year removed have the strength nor ability to jump straight to the pros, this isn't like Basketball or Baseball (non-contact sports), I don't think a 19 year old is PHYSICALLY able to handle the NFL plus there really aren't developmental leagues like there are in Baseball and Basketball.
I just don't see how the easiest thing to do is just give the kids a little bigger stipend.
Not saying I agree with paying players but the argument is that the Universities and everyone else seemingly making bank on these kids that surpasses the amount said Universities give in scholarship. Not my argument, just stating.
I have a non-researched idea. Say the Universities do increase stipends based on your class, which would increase each year from Frosh to Senior. Also, based on said teams success and revenue generated, there is certain % set aside for stipend increase. This gives the Universities control but awards each player based on the teams success.
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Not saying I agree with paying players but the argument is that the Universities and everyone else seemingly making bank on these kids that surpasses the amount said Universities give in scholarship. Not my argument, just stating.
And while I understand that, that money also goes to pay for other scholarships and sports that don't generate income streams. It's not like Auburn has a CEO getting wealthy off the backs of poor players. The only ones making the big money is the coaches, which I agree is totally outrageous.
My understanding honestly isn't the above its the player's inability to get paid on their likeness. Clemson sells a shit ton of #16 jerseys that Jersey doesn't mean shit due for the fact of the kid playing in it, and he doesn't get a piece.
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And while I understand that, that money also goes to pay for other scholarships and sports that don't generate income streams. It's not like Auburn has a CEO getting wealthy off the backs of poor players. The only ones making the big money is the coaches, which I agree is totally outrageous.
My understanding honestly isn't the above its the player's inability to get paid on their likeness. Clemson sells a shoot ton of #16 jerseys that Jersey doesn't mean shoot due for the fact of the kid playing in it, and he doesn't get a piece.
What if - and believe me this is a hypothetical - but what if they were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you?
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And while I understand that, that money also goes to pay for other scholarships and sports that don't generate income streams. It's not like Auburn has a CEO getting wealthy off the backs of poor players. The only ones making the big money is the coaches, which I agree is totally outrageous.
My understanding honestly isn't the above its the player's inability to get paid on their likeness. Clemson sells a shit ton of #16 jerseys that Jersey doesn't mean shit due for the fact of the kid playing in it, and he doesn't get a piece.
Agreed 100%.
Just saying instead of states passing laws that make no sense, if in fact it sticks, the NCAA should consider looking at this in a way giving the Universities control of the matter. The idea would put more motivation on team success and staying in school.
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What if - and believe me this is a hypothetical - but what if they were offered some kind of a stock option equity sharing program. Would that do anything for you?
I don't know I guess, listen I'm gonna go. It's been really great talking with you guys.
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I think just about anything that happens is going to change the face of college athletics, and probably in a pretty drastic manner. It's easy to discuss and arrive at some options for schools like Auburn, who is generating just under $150 mil a year. They netted $7.8 mil last season and $14.6 in 2017. I haven't checked but I imagine we're most likely somewhere in the middle of the SEC pack.
Conversely, Troy generated a record in gross revenues last year, pulling in $32.6 mil. Don't know what the net was but probably a much smaller margin. Just pulling a name out of the hat, the Googles show Bowling Green operating on an $8.9 mil budget, plus some good subsidies. I believe a quick check of teams around the country would reveal that if you take the budgets many of them are operating on, and then force them into revenue sharing for ALL athletes in every program, you'd find that many of them would just have to shut it all down. Remember, the #3 seed on the Ladies Golf team is just as entitled as the stud QB throwing the field goals on the TV's.
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Look, here's an answer.
Each student athlete is required for 20 hours of practice a week. (I know, they do more but that's the standard.) That's also the basic standard max students can work on campus. So, you pay them on a graduating scale for 20 hours a week like it's a job. Start and min. wage as freshmen, get a bump as a sophomore, junior, etc. Where's that money come from? The revenue pot the athletics department generates. What does that eliminate? Stuff like zero gravity juice bars and indoor water slides. Also, let some of that money come from advertisers, boosters, sponsors, wherever. But it's regulated through a payroll. Taxes and all.
Problem solved. But ain't nobody gonna do that because it's simple and makes sense.
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Look, here's an answer.
Each student athlete is required for 20 hours of practice a week. (I know, they do more but that's the standard.) That's also the basic standard max students can work on campus. So, you pay them on a graduating scale for 20 hours a week like it's a job. Start and min. wage as freshmen, get a bump as a sophomore, junior, etc. Where's that money come from? The revenue pot the athletics department generates. What does that eliminate? Stuff like zero gravity juice bars and indoor water slides. Also, let some of that money come from advertisers, boosters, sponsors, wherever. But it's regulated through a payroll. Taxes and all.
Problem solved. But ain't nobody gonna do that because it's simple and makes sense.
Sounds like a great idea......
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Well, that didn't take long.
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Anyone else think this NCAA thing is smoke and mirrors? The way I read it is the schools can establish committees to explore the options which they've already done and decided no-go from. What am I missing?
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Anyone else think this NCAA thing is smoke and mirrors? The way I read it is the schools can establish committees to explore the options which they've already done and decided no-go from. What am I missing?
Yup.
May turn into something...around the time my nephew is having grandchildren (like 10-12 years or so down here on the 'Riviera.)
Mostly PR spin to look like they're in line with the current public opinion.