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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Godfather on October 06, 2008, 12:02:34 PM
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Remaining Schedule
10/11 Arkansas 5:00 PM W?
10/23 @ West Virginia 7:30 PM L
11/01 @ Mississippi TBA L
11/08 Tennessee-Martin 2:30 PM W
11/15 No. 10 Georgia TBA L
11/29 @ No. 2 Alabama TBA L
Final Record 6-6?
Seriously, if we continue down the path that we are on....and I don't see why anything would change.
I see 1 definite win in Tenn-Martin and a second win possibly this weekend vs. Arky. I just don't see us beating anyone other than that. This team is a mess right now and with most of the articles I 've read this morning it sounds like we are one more loss from a total team revolt. At least with Borges and even Nallsminger we didn't produce, but the team was unified. We all are aware of Franklin being an issue, but where is the leadership on this team????
I do not agree with the drunk daywalker about firing Tubs, but the constant flip -flopping between how we need to run the ball more vs pass is getting annoying. Also, for those of you that watched the game, after halftime the sideline slut said she talked to Tuberville and he said we needed to pass more...WTF?!? Was Tommy watching the same game I was? At least he did one thing right after the game, he didn't allow Franklin to talk to the media.
I am about out of hair here... guys....thoughts?
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5 - 7. Fucking retarded.
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If we run the ball like the first quarters of the last two games, we'll go 8-4, maybe 9-3. If we stick to the same bullshit... 6-6.
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I do not agree with the drunk daywalker about firing Tubs, but the constant flip -flopping between how we need to run the ball more vs pass is getting annoying. Also, for those of you that watched the game, after halftime the sideline slut said she talked to Tuberville and he said we needed to pass more...WTF?!? Was Tommy watching the same game I was? At least he did one thing right after the game, he didn't allow Franklin to talk to the media.
See if you agree with me after we end up 6-6 or 7-5 at best.
I'll be honest. I lost my luster for Tuberville during this past offseason. He was pimping himself and his core group of assistants out and if it wasn't for his huge buyout, he would be the coach at Arkansas right now, and we'd have hired Petrino.
I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. I know what I'm talking about here.
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I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. I know what I'm talking about here.
All you know is the bottom of a Jack Daniels bottle and 50 SPF Suntan lotion......beeyotch
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All you know is the bottom of a Jack Daniels bottle and 50 SPF Suntan lotion......beeyotch
He also knows how to rest a set of balls on his chin.
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He also knows how to rest a set of balls on his chin.
I thought it was Thrilla's chin?
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I predict that if we get beat by Alabama, I will extend for another year in Iraq.
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BTW to answer your question Brad at 6-6 I would not want to fire Tubs....Franklin yes....Tubs no. Unless of course Tommy didn't want to fire Franklin in which case I would lean towards your side.
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See if you agree with me after we end up 6-6 or 7-5 at best.
I'll be honest. I lost my luster for Tuberville during this past offseason. He was pimping himself and his core group of assistants out and if it wasn't for his huge buyout, he would be the coach at Arkansas right now, and we'd have hired Petrino.
I don't give a shit if you believe me or not. I know what I'm talking about here.
Totally agree!!!
I said that the Arkansas thing was a lot closer to reality than people think...
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I thought it was Thrilla's chin?
That's a sticky situation.
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BTW to answer your question Brad at 6-6 I would not want to fire Tubs....Franklin yes....Tubs no. Unless of course Tommy didn't want to fire Franklin in which case I would lean towards your side.
i agree, no need to fire tubbs. he is probably failry entrenched by this point in time. A firing could be messy. But who knows, crazy things can always happen.
I think the best bet would be to let franklin go at the end of this season. It'll probably be something like, "Tony Franklin resigns after a 6-6 season."
What frustrates me the most: We can somehow hire amazing Defensive Coordinators, i.e. muschamp, rhodes. We struggle to keep them, but at least know how to hire good DCs. I don't understand the problem with hiring dip shit Offensive coordinators. I think Tubbs is a compotent head coach, he has clearly demonstrated that. Just frustrating when one side of the ball we suck, and have sucked for the past few seasons. And on the defensive side, we tend to do really well.
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Okay, her's my take on Tubs and this program. We all know the positives that CTT has established at Auburn with the recruiting, the character, a very good winning percentage (Especially against top 10 opponents) etc. But, as events continue to unfold each week, it's apparent what matters most to the fans, wins and losses. All those positive attributes mean squat when the team is playing like this.
From the perspective of most Auburn fans who follow this program year round and understand the real direction it's heading, it has to be said that this isn't exactly anything new. This program has been on a slow, steady decline since the miracle year of 2004. We got a taste of what is really possible at Auburn but they haven't sniffed of Atlanta since, except maybe in the Peach Bowl. This year will be 4 straight without a conference title and if memory serves me, Auburn's SEC record has declined each year as well. It certainly will this year. Keep this in mind, though. This, along with the current problems with this staff...(Franklin) are issues AUBURN FANS understand. The national media does not and WILL NOT.
Now, I understand the sentiments that come to mind immediately...and I agree. But spare me the "Screw the media" talk. Make no mistake, if we let Tubs go, this program will be CRUCIFIED by the media, both locally and nationally. And they WILL do a lot of damage to Auburn's image and to an extent, credibility. No one outside this family gives a damn about what's going on right now. They know Tommy Tuberville as a successful, well-spoken class act who has been attacked by his own before. And does it not seem that Auburn already has a bulls-eye on it's back whenever any negative issue comes up? Fire a coach who's what...83-35 at Auburn (May be off some) and watch the landslide of negative bullshit that hits the fan. You simply cannot justify from a national standpoint, the firing of CTT. Right or wrong is not the issue there. The media would blow Auburn up.
Okay, but what if they did pull the trigger? What now? Guess who's heading up the search for the man who will lead us back to the promise land? Don't know if they'd leave that to ole' JJ or not, but do the names, Jeff Lebo and Tom Slater mean anything? Do you trust ANYONE at Auburn to find a better coach than CTT right now? I don't.
Now don't get me wrong. My tent is set up just outside of Ogre's camp (Because, I think Ginger's are hot) I really respect what CTT has done for Auburn and the type program he runs. There really is very little to argue with when looking at his overall record. But, I've been wary of the slow decline this program has been on since 04' and now, I'm like a lot of people in fearing the next few weeks are quite possibly going to be some of the darkest at Auburn in a while. Not just in wins and losses but the overall damage that will be done to recruiting, the chemistry of the team and staff, the bickering by fans and the certain in-fighting of our Trustees and people in administration, It could get REAL ugly. (Wins against Arky and West Va. would turn some of that around)
Ultimately, here's what I'd like to see. Get through this season with minimal damage and casualties. A clean house at season's end with the "Choice" being made by Tommy Tuberville to move on. Work whatever deal behind the scenes to make it happen but do NOT have Auburn painted as the bad guy. There is no positive in the forseeable future in firing Tommy Tuberville.
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What frustrates me the most: We can somehow hire amazing Defensive Coordinators, i.e. muschamp, rhodes. We struggle to keep them, but at least know how to hire good DCs. I don't understand the problem with hiring dip shit Offensive coordinators. I think Tubbs is a compotent head coach, he has clearly demonstrated that. Just frustrating when one side of the ball we suck, and have sucked for the past few seasons. And on the defensive side, we tend to do really well.
It's not that we are hiring dipshit OC's, it's that we are putting our OC's with dipshit position coaches that are stuck in their ways. I've been down on Franklin as much as anyone, but the more I think about it, the more I'm changing my tune. He didn't just forget how to coach offense all of a sudden. Many of the reports from high school coaches who watch our offense say that what we're running is not the Tony Franklin System.
Could our playcalling be better? Absolutely. However, there is a common thread between our offensive struggles, no matter who the coordinator is, and that is Greg Knox, Eddie Gran, Hugh Nall, Steve Ensminger, etc. I'd be willing to give Franklin and Tubs another year if Tubs had to ditch his offensive position coaches and let Franklin bring in his own guys. I don't see that happening though.
Of course we've been outstanding on D regardless of who the DC is. Tubs was a hell of a DC back in the day, and we even had a top 20 Defense that year that Gibbs was our DC. Our Defense will always be good. Tuberville should stick with what he knows and let the OC run the show for once - using coaches that he wants to use and not ones he is forced to use. I think we'd see a much better product on the field.
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Okay, her's my take on Tubs and this program. We all know the positives that CTT has established at Auburn with the recruiting, the character, a very good winning percentage (Especially against top 10 opponents) etc. But, as events continue to unfold each week, it's apparent what matters most to the fans, wins and losses. All those positive attributes mean squat when the team is playing like this.
This is what we criticize uat fans about. While I am not for sunshine pumping and things are bad, I still don't believe Tubs should be fired.
Now, I understand the sentiments that come to mind immediately...and I agree. But spare me the "Screw the media" talk. Make no mistake, if we let Tubs go, this program will be CRUCIFIED by the media, both locally and nationally. And they WILL do a lot of damage to Auburn's image and to an extent, credibility. No one outside this family gives a damn about what's going on right now. They know Tommy Tuberville as a successful, well-spoken class act who has been attacked by his own before. And does it not seem that Auburn already has a bulls-eye on it's back whenever any negative issue comes up? Fire a coach who's what...83-35 at Auburn (May be off some) and watch the landslide of negative bullshit that hits the fan. You simply cannot justify from a national standpoint, the firing of CTT. Right or wrong is not the issue there. The media would blow Auburn up.
This would blow Auburn up for minimally 3 years IMO.
Bottom line I don't think CTT understands anything having to do with Offense. I think he lets his coaches... coach on a long leash. IMO I think when CTT gets involved on the offense side of the ball he makes things worse. He either needs to let Franklin coach and leave him the fuck alone and let him go at the end of the year or fire him now and let the new offensive coach....coach.
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Okay, her's my take on Tubs and this program. We all know the positives that CTT has established at Auburn with the recruiting, the character, a very good winning percentage (Especially against top 10 opponents) etc. But, as events continue to unfold each week, it's apparent what matters most to the fans, wins and losses. All those positive attributes mean squat when the team is playing like this.
From the perspective of most Auburn fans who follow this program year round and understand the real direction it's heading, it has to be said that this isn't exactly anything new. This program has been on a slow, steady decline since the miracle year of 2004. We got a taste of what is really possible at Auburn but they haven't sniffed of Atlanta since, except maybe in the Peach Bowl. This year will be 4 straight without a conference title and if memory serves me, Auburn's SEC record has declined each year as well. It certainly will this year. Keep this in mind, though. This, along with the current problems with this staff...(Franklin) are issues AUBURN FANS understand. The national media does not and WILL NOT.
Now, I understand the sentiments that come to mind immediately...and I agree. But spare me the "Screw the media" talk. Make no mistake, if we let Tubs go, this program will be CRUCIFIED by the media, both locally and nationally. And they WILL do a lot of damage to Auburn's image and to an extent, credibility. No one outside this family gives a damn about what's going on right now. They know Tommy Tuberville as a successful, well-spoken class act who has been attacked by his own before. And does it not seem that Auburn already has a bulls-eye on it's back whenever any negative issue comes up? Fire a coach who's what...83-35 at Auburn (May be off some) and watch the landslide of negative bullshit that hits the fan. You simply cannot justify from a national standpoint, the firing of CTT. Right or wrong is not the issue there. The media would blow Auburn up.
Okay, but what if they did pull the trigger? What now? Guess who's heading up the search for the man who will lead us back to the promise land? Don't know if they'd leave that to ole' JJ or not, but do the names, Jeff Lebo and Tom Slater mean anything? Do you trust ANYONE at Auburn to find a better coach than CTT right now? I don't.
Now don't get me wrong. My tent is set up just outside of Ogre's camp (Because, I think Ginger's are hot) I really respect what CTT has done for Auburn and the type program he runs. There really is very little to argue with when looking at his overall record. But, I've been wary of the slow decline this program has been on since 04' and now, I'm like a lot of people in fearing the next few weeks are quite possibly going to be some of the darkest at Auburn in a while. Not just in wins and losses but the overall damage that will be done to recruiting, the chemistry of the team and staff, the bickering by fans and the certain in-fighting of our Trustees and people in administration, It could get REAL ugly. (Wins against Arky and West Va. would turn some of that around)
Ultimately, here's what I'd like to see. Get through this season with minimal damage and casualties. A clean house at season's end with the "Choice" being made by Tommy Tuberville to move on. Work whatever deal behind the scenes to make it happen but do NOT have Auburn painted as the bad guy. There is no positive in the forseeable future in firing Tommy Tuberville.
I agree with you in that I shutter to think about who JJ would pick as a replacement. I even mentioned that in my first post on the subject. However, I don't think that JJ would have 100% control over a decision as important as this one.
You said that you have noticed a decline in the program over the last four years, yet you want to do nothing to change course? I'm not sure I follow you there. Sure we'll have a black eye, but so did Alabama two years ago when they hired Saban. They fired Shula a year after a 10-win season and a contract extension. They got raped by the media. Not even two years later, and where are they sitting now? Is anyone talking about Saban leaving Miami? No. Is anyone talking about how they did Shula wrong? No.
Winning cures all ails. Sure, we'd take a hit. It seems like no matter what we do, we're going to take a hit. I'd rather take our lumps now and move forward than have to suffer through all of this bullshit again next year when we have our 6th OC in 11 years.
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Tuberville and Shula are at different ends of the spectrum. Shula had one decent season while, despite what we know to be the state of the program, CTT is thought of as one of the top coaches in America. No, not put on a pedastol like Pete Carrol or Nicky $...but still held in pretty high esteem around the country. I agree with you about change. I have no problem with that. But, this is not something that can be done now and if it is by season's end, it needs to be handled to look like Tubs' decision. That can be worked out with all parties happy. I don't think anyone can really grasp the hit Auburn takes by firing our head coach.
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But, this is not something that can be done now and if it is by season's end, it needs to be handled to look like Tubs' decision. That can be worked out with all parties happy. I don't think anyone can really grasp the hit Auburn takes by firing our head coach.
I'm not saying to fire Tubs today, and I agree 100% with you that at season's end it should be handled. The last thing I want is another Bowden debacle mid-season.
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If we run the ball like the first quarters of the last two games, we'll go 8-4, maybe 9-3. If we stick to the same bullshit... 6-6.
I agree with this 100%. For the life of me I can't figure out why in the world we stopped doing what was working. I heard Tubbs say that they started stacking 8 men in the box. Well in that case, and I am no coach here guys, but play action, catch them snoozing seems to be a good call in that situation.....only if they have stopped the run. If I can gain 3 to 4 yards every down I am running it down the other teams throats.
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I'm not saying to fire Tubs today, and I agree 100% with you that at season's end it should be handled. The last thing I want is another Bowden debacle mid-season.
we could always hire terry back...hell, maybe even big bro tommy...
the ARK game should be interesting and telling...we'll have to wait and see what these "big changes" produce
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10/11 Arkansas 5:00 PM W
10/23 @ West Virginia 7:30 PM W
11/01 @ Mississippi TBA W
11/08 Tennessee-Martin 2:30 PM W
11/15 No. 10 Georgia TBA L
11/29 @ No. 2 Alabama TBA W
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Yeah, if I'm gaining 3 to 4 yards a pop.....then, I'll continue to shove it down their throats until they choke to death on it. :tits:
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10/11 Arkansas 5:00 PM W
10/23 @ West Virginia 7:30 PM W
11/01 @ Mississippi TBA W
11/08 Tennessee-Martin 2:30 PM W
11/15 No. 10 Georgia TBA L
11/29 @ No. 2 Alabama TBA W
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If they stay with the Ace Set, I would be inclined to agree. If they go back to the spread with the current personnel...add losses to Ole Mrs., West Virginia, Georgia and bammer.
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10/11 Arkansas 5:00 PM W
10/23 @ West Virginia 7:30 PM W
11/01 @ Mississippi TBA W
11/08 Tennessee-Martin 2:30 PM W
11/15 No. 10 Georgia TBA L
11/29 @ No. 2 Alabama TBA W
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Chief, its puff...puff...pass. Brother, don't be hoggin (get it ...hoggin...we play the hogs) that good italian cannabis.
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No matter what our record might be before the Iron Bowl....if we beat 'bama for the umpteenth time in a row...then there will be forgiveness shed on the coaching staff, both from the AD and majority fanbase. I just hope somebody has the balls to step up at the end of the year and make the appropriate adjustments.