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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Token on February 25, 2018, 10:25:22 AM
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This story continues to blow my mind. A whole lot of people missed a whole lot of red flags but that's for a separate discussion. I would like to say I'm shocked that a school resource officer didn't go into a school with an active shooter and engage the shooter, but I'm not. Now it looks as though multiple deputies from the same agency also failed to enter the school to engage the threat.
I'd say Broward County has a serious problem within their office but on a more national scale, I think law enforcement has a problem. I can promise you if you talk to anyone at any agency they can point out the people they know that will dodge a call or doesn't have what it takes to run into that situation. This entire situation is sad on so many levels.
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https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784 (https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/966854507744374784)
Read that. Not sure how legit or accurate...but it's fucked up.
But too many people are worried about OHHHHHH MMYYYYYYY GOOOOOOODDDDDDDD AAAAA RRRRRRRR FIIIIIIFFFFFTEEEEEEEEENNNNNNN to pay attention to what the fuck is really happening...
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I call it child endangerment. The nine member board and it's superintendent need to be punished as well as the Sheriff and the attending deputies who failed to act.
What kind of agreement between a school board and a law enforcement agency allows crime to go unpunished?
And if you are a parent how can you knowingly put your child in danger and if you did so unknowingly, how could you continue?
Plenty of blame to go around without pointing it at Trump, the NRA or guns in general.
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We were talking about this yesterday. It's like a football player that doesn't like contact. It's like a fireman that's afraid of fire. It's like a garbage man who doesn't want to get dirty. I don't like to play Monday morning quarterback, but he had one job. To the general public, maybe it's a tough ask, but to me, that's what you signed up for. If that agency has a policy that they are to wait, then those policies are outdated. However, I'm assuming that he just locked up.
This guy is 54 years old and has been on the job 30 years. Token, you and I both know exactly what the mentality was. Retired on duty and complacency are phrases that comes to mind.
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We were talking about this yesterday. It's like a football player that doesn't like contact. It's like a fireman that's afraid of fire. It's like a garbage man who doesn't want to get dirty. I don't like to play Monday morning quarterback, but he had one job. To the general public, maybe it's a tough ask, but to me, that's what you signed up for. If that agency has a policy that they are to wait, then those policies are outdated. However, I'm assuming that he just locked up.
This guy is 54 years old and has been on the job 30 years. Token, you and I both know exactly what the mentality was. Retired on duty and complacency are phrases that comes to mind.
You are a jailer too?
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This guy is 54 years old and has been on the job 30 years. Token, you and I both know exactly what the mentality was. Retired on duty and complacency are phrases that comes to mind.
RIP - Retired in Place
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I can promise you if you talk to anyone at any agency they can point out the people they know that will dodge a call or doesn't have what it takes to run into that situation. This entire situation is sad on so many levels.
So in your opinion, what allows these people to stay on the police force, or be hired in the first place?
I've got my theories: Lowering hiring standards and how the last 8+ years, society has emasculated the Alpha Male.
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I’ve often wondered if Token carries one of those big round key rings like they have on Andy Griffith.
And if he just hangs it outside the cell or has a key hanger on his belt.
Could someone ask, please? There is a problem with my PMs.
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I’ve often wondered if Token carries one of those big round key rings like they have on Andy Griffith.
And if he just hangs it outside the cell or has a key hanger on his belt.
Could someone ask, please? There is a problem with my PMs.
i know there isn't a problem with you being an asshole.
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i know there isn't a problem with you being an asshole.
I think you've got him wrong. Being an "asshole" requires some malice and/or (in the context of the X) wit.
WT is just an annoying shotgun poster with zero funny skills.
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I am so hurt that I cannot respond right now.
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I think you've got him wrong. Being an "asshole" requires some malice and/or (in the context of the X) wit.
WT is just an annoying shotgun poster with zero funny skills.
Just so I can understand, do I actually have a zero on the funny scale?
Humor IQ of zero? And what are you and Nookie?
I honestly thought my comedy is golden.
Cut me some slack. I’m a disabled.
Not everyone has the ability to make us roll in the aisles like you and Nookie.
You bitch.
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So in your opinion, what allows these people to stay on the police force, or be hired in the first place?
I've got my theories: Lowering hiring standards and how the last 8+ years, society has emasculated the Alpha Male.
It's a combination of problems that people get tired of hearing about. I've long said the people who would be the best peace officers have too much sense to do the job for the salary. In my opinion nobody should be hired into law enforcement until they've been out of high school for at least 10 years. Had a few jobs, made it through the early 20s without any criminal history and ready for a career rather than a paycheck. Entry level $35k isn't going to attract many people at that age unless they really just want to do that job. That's for the rookies though. This SRO was an older guy.
The problem with the school resource officer job is it's boring as hell. There isn't any real action and basically your job is spent dealing with juvenile problems at the school or just hanging out with kids. SRO isn't a job you promote from, it's a job you go to when you're tired of the street. If you try to correct the problem by making SRO and entry level job then you risk putting 20-22 year old males in a high school with girls who are 16-18. We all know how that story ends.
The best answer to the question is money. Nobody should be in law enforcement before 26 years of age and nobody should work in law enforcement for more than 20 years. Raise the level of pay and attract an older more qualified candidate. Then pay enough where they can comfortably retire at 50 (if not in an administrative position) and finish out their life working part time doing what ever they want. With every problem, if you don't pay the money on the front end you're going to be constantly spending more on the back end to fix problems.
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I’ve often wondered if Token carries one of those big round key rings like they have on Andy Griffith.
And if he just hangs it outside the cell or has a key hanger on his belt.
Could someone ask, please? There is a problem with my PMs.
Have you tried creating a 12th account and sending a PM from it before I'm able to block/ignore it? I'm sure you've ran out of email possibilities for new accounts so I'll help you out. Try pleasegivemeattention@iwishiwerefunny.pleaselikeme.
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It's a combination of problems that people get tired of hearing about. I've long said the people who would be the best peace officers have too much sense to do the job for the salary. In my opinion nobody should be hired into law enforcement until they've been out of high school for at least 10 years. Had a few jobs, made it through the early 20s without any criminal history and ready for a career rather than a paycheck. Entry level $35k isn't going to attract many people at that age unless they really just want to do that job. That's for the rookies though. This SRO was an older guy.
The problem with the school resource officer job is it's boring as hell. There isn't any real action and basically your job is spent dealing with juvenile problems at the school or just hanging out with kids**. SRO isn't a job you promote from, it's a job you go to when you're tired of the street. If you try to correct the problem by making SRO and entry level job then you risk putting 20-22 year old males in a high school with girls who are 16-18. We all know how that story ends***.
The best answer to the question is money. Nobody should be in law enforcement before 26 years of age and nobody should work in law enforcement for more than 20 years. Raise the level of pay and attract an older more qualified candidate. Then pay enough where they can comfortably retire at 50 (if not in an administrative position) and finish out their life working part time doing what ever they want. With every problem, if you don't pay the money on the front end you're going to be constantly spending more on the back end to fix problems.
**And you said there were no perks.
*** I don't know how that story ends. I've tried to watch that movie several times but I never make it past about 30 minutes. How does it end?
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Have you tried creating a 12th account and sending a PM from it before I'm able to block/ignore it? I'm sure you've ran out of email possibilities for new accounts so I'll help you out. Try pleasegivemeattention@iwishiwerefunny.pleaselikeme.
Just so you know, you’ll never be as funny as Wes.
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Welp, that didn't take long. Dalton HS, GA. on lockdown due to shots fired from a teacher.
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Welp, that didn't take long. Dalton HS, GA. on lockdown due to shots fired from a teacher.
Weird isn't it? A only a couple of days after Trump said it may be good to have some qualified teachers CC.
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Give the guy a break, it was his first desk pop.
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Give the guy a break, it was his first desk pop.
It’s a real thing, right?
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Weird isn't it? A only a couple of days after Trump said it may be good to have some qualified teachers CC.
Not sure what you're implying here.
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Not sure what you're implying here.
Russian collusion.
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Give the guy a break, it was his first desk pop.
LOL
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Not sure what you're implying here.
I just find it odd. I'm not implying anything.
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I just find it odd. I'm not implying anything.
Sure you’re not.
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Teachers getting ready for school like...
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Teachers getting ready for school like...
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Ha! He forgot his double cafe mocha.
Won't make it through 1st period.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/georgia-teacher-who-fired-gun-in-classroom-previously-told-police-hired-hitmen-report-says.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/georgia-teacher-who-fired-gun-in-classroom-previously-told-police-hired-hitmen-report-says.html)
(http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/georgia-teacher-who-fired-gun-in-classroom-previously-told-police-hired-hitmen-report-says.html)
So apparently, dude has mental issues. Imagine that, right?
But, we should probably take away guns from everyone just in case.
(http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/georgia-teacher-who-fired-gun-in-classroom-previously-told-police-hired-hitmen-report-says.html)
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“Can you believe these kids?†It’s been a recurring theme of the coverage of the Parkland school shooting: the remarkable effectiveness of the high school students who created a gun control organization in the wake of the massacre. In seemingly no time, the magical kids had organized events ranging from a national march to a mass school walkout, and they’d brought in a million dollars in donations from Oprah Winfrey and George Clooney.
The Miami Herald credited their success (http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/education/article201678544.html) to the school’s stellar debate program. The Wall Street Journal said it was because they were born online, and organizing was instinctive.
On February 28, BuzzFeed came out with the actual story: Rep. Debbie Wassermann Schultz aiding in the lobbying in Tallahassee, a teacher’s union organizing the buses that got the kids there, Michael Bloomberg’s groups and the Women’s March working on the upcoming March For Our Lives, MoveOn.org doing social media promotion and (potentially) march logistics, and training for student activists provided by federally funded Planned Parenthood.
The president of the American Federation of Teachers told BuzzFeed (https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/parkland-teens-organization?utm_term=.mqvB1QWj3q#.qsED9nodM5) they’re also behind the national school walkout, which journalists had previously assured the public was the sole work of a teenager. (I’d thought teachers were supposed to get kids into school, but maybe that’s just me.)
In other words, the response was professionalized. That’s not surprising, because this is what organization that gets results actually looks like. It’s not a bunch of magical kids in somebody’s living room. Nor is it surprising that the professionalization happened right off the bat. Broward County’s teacher’s union is militant, and Rep. Ted Lieu stated on Twitter that his family knows Parkland student activist David Hogg’s family, so there were plenty of opportunities for grown-ups with resources and skills to connect the kids.
That’s before you get to whether any of them had been involved in the Women’s March. According to BuzzFeed, Wassermann Schultz was running on day two.
What’s striking about all this isn’t the organization. If you start reading books about organizing, it’s clear how it all works. But no journalist covering the story wrote about this stuff for two weeks. Instead, every story was about the Parkland kids being magically effective.
On Twitter, I lost track of the number of bluechecks rhapsodizing over how effective the kids’ organizational instincts were. But organizing isn’t instinctive. It’s skilled work; you have to learn how to do it, and it takes really a lot of people. You don’t just get a few magical kids who’re amazing and naturally good at it.
The real tip-off should have been the $500,000 donations from Winfrey and Clooney. Big celebrities don’t give huge money to strangers on a whim. Somebody who knows Winfrey and Clooney called them and asked. But the press’s response was to be ever more impressed with the kids.
For two weeks, journalists abjectly failed in their jobs, which is to tell the public what’s going on. And any of them who had any familiarity with organizing campaigns absolutely knew. Matt Pearce, of the Los Angeles Times, would have been ideally placed to write an excellent article: not only is he an organizer for the Times’s union, he moderated a panel on leftist activism for the LA Times Book Festival and has the appropriate connections in organizing. Instead, he wrote about a school walkout (https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-student-protests-20180220-story.html), not what was behind it. (In another article (https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-delta-nra-20180226-story.html), Pearce defined Delta caving to a pressure campaign’s demands as “finding middle ground.â€)
But it’s not just a mainstream media problem. None of the righty outlets writing about Parkland picked up on the clear evidence that professional organizers were backing the Parkland kids, either. Instead, they objected to the front-and-centering of minor kids as unseemly, which does no good: Lefties aren’t going to listen, and it doesn’t educate the Right to counter.
The closest anyone got was Elizabeth Harrington at the Washington Free Beacon, who noted that (http://freebeacon.com/issues/george-clooneys-publicist-set-media-interviews-parkland-shooting-kids/) Clooney’s publicist was booking the kids’ media interviews pro bono, and said that a friend (not Clooney) had asked him to do it. The result of all this is that the average righty does not understand what’s going on in activism, because all they see is what the press covers. The stuff that’s visible. It’s like expecting people in the Stone Age to grok the Roman army by looking at it. Conspiracy theorists happily fill this ignorance vacuum.
On one hand, sure, the issue with people who believe in crisis actors and various other kinds of conspiracy theories is that they’re susceptible. If they didn’t believe in crisis actors, they’d believe in something else (and they probably do). But on the other hand, I think one reason there’s an opportunity for righty conspiracy types to get all hopped up on goofballs with respect to protests and such is the abject failure of the Righty establishment to explain to its people how protests actually work.
This results in occasional hilarity when the Right tries to organize its own protests. For example, then-Internet celebrity Baked Alaska tried to create pro-Trump flashmobs in Los Angeles during the election. His efforts consisted of posting times and locations online. And that’s it. You see this attitude often among Righties: “We have the Internet! We’ll post a notice and people will show up!†Well, no; they won’t.
It’s not that Baked Alaska needed a magical kid, because there are no magical kids. There’s just hard work, and our press and politicos do everyone a disservice when they pretend otherwise. Here’s an example of how to turn out people, cribbed from “Organizing for Social Change (https://www.amazon.com/Organizing-Social-Change-Bobo-Kendall/dp/0984275215/),†the activist manual published by the Midwest Academy (http://www.midwestacademy.com/), which has been around since 1973 and has trained over 30,000 activists, some of whom went on to found their own training schools.
Say you run an organization that wants to impress a city councilman, and you’ve landed a meeting. You want your group to look bigger than it is. You’ve got 15 dedicated people you know will go, but you want to show the councilman 60 people.
The first thing you do is get 10 people from other groups (you do know other ideologically aligned groups in the area, right?). That leaves 35 people. To get them, you don’t post an ad on Craigslist. You look in your database of people who’ve signed your petitions or whatever. Call and ask them to come.
If they say yes, call them again a day or two in advance to confirm. Of the people who say yes twice, only half will actually show up. So you need 70 people to say yes twice. Expect to make seven times that number of phone calls to get them. That’s 490 five-minute phone calls, which breaks down to five people a night making phone calls for five straight nights.
That’s a little more work than posting an announcement on Facebook. And that’s organizing. It’s not magical kids, and it’s not George Soros sprinkling money around. It’s hard work by people who’ve trained to do it.
Now that the organizations are more open about their involvement, at some point the Parkland kids will go into the background a bit in media exposure, the same way Deray and Linda Sarsour did. That’s part of how organizing fame works these days: Two Minutes’ Heroes, in frequent rotation. But the problem remains: until the press covers organizing campaigns accurately, organizers will be able to punch above their weight politically even if they don’t win every election.
In his excellent book “Hegemony How-To (https://www.amazon.com/Hegemony-How-Radicals-Jonathan-Smucker/dp/1849352542/),†leftist organizer Jonathan Smucker wrote, “Power tends to appear magical to those who have less of it, and mechanical to those who are accustomed to wielding it instrumentally.†Or, for that matter, to even seeing it instrumentally.
For two weeks, journalists treated power as if it were magical. It’s not. It’s mechanical. The people organizing the response to Parkland, and a host of other causes, know that. So should you.
http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/01/take-two-weeks-truth-emerge-parkland-students-astroturfing/#.Wpg8YnNEjP0.twitter (http://thefederalist.com/2018/03/01/take-two-weeks-truth-emerge-parkland-students-astroturfing/#.Wpg8YnNEjP0.twitter)
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Trump is a fucking democrat.
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Trump is a fucking democrat.
Trump leans more liberal. But dude isn't a democrat or a republican. He is an outsider which is why all of Washington hates him.
Honestly, I don't know that the democrat party is anything other than socialist who want big government to decide everything for the people at this point. The average "liberal" leaning left is a thing of the past. You can look at the few "democrats" on this board and tell that.
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Trump leans more liberal. But dude isn't a democrat or a republican. He is an outsider which is why all of Washington hates him.
Honestly, I don't know that the democrat party is anything other than socialist who want big government to decide everything for the people at this point. The average "liberal" leaning left is a thing of the past. You can look at the few "democrats" on this board and tell that.
I don't know. It's still pretty easy to spot one. They love abortion and hate guns/freedom!
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Honestly, I don't know that the democrat party is anything other than socialist who want big government to decide everything for the people at this point.
Not a Dem exclusive position.
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Not a Dem exclusive position.
True. Socialists and communists want the same thing too!
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Not a Dem exclusive position.
Probably true.
Chicken or egg scenario. Does the right get more right because the left is infringing and/or vice versa?
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They make a new cushion that black women can sit on an egg and not break it.
https://youtu.be/dqp1mPWiSLE (https://youtu.be/dqp1mPWiSLE)