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Title: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Kaos on October 01, 2017, 09:36:37 AM
Every week it seems I know less and less about this game we call football. 

LSU struggles with Syracuse and loses to Troy?  What. the. hell?  I cannot believe the Bayous can possibly be that bad.  When I watch them play I see players who look like they really don't want to be there.  Arden Key is a prime example of that.  The only time I saw LSU play with any urgency or intensity was over the last 4:00 of the game.  It was nearly enough.  The other side of that is Troy made enough mistakes to lose three games.  If they don't fumble inside the Bayou 15 late in the game, it's a 31-7 hole and a much greater humiliation. Honestly, it was much more like a 38-7 beating than it was a 24-21 loss.  Orgeron may have nailed his own coffin closed with his post-game statements.  "I didn't know we were going to do that.." and then throwing both players and assistants in front of the bus. 

Ole Miss and MSU.  I don't think State is as bad as we (and UGA) made them look.  I don't think Ole Miss is as bad as Bama (and Cal) made them look.  Mullen is back to whining the "really young, lot of young players" excuse when all I heard in the offseason was how they had everybody back.  I saw where Mullen has the worst record in the history of college football against ranked teams.  He sucks. He's not a good coach.  All of you suggesting him as a replacement for anybody -- Sumlin, Orgeron, Bitch Jones, Beluga or Gus -- should be ashamed. I know that at least.

Tennessee. Butch is done. The Champions of Life aren't even champions of that. They should have lost to Ga. Tech. Should have lost to UMass. This is a team that, in reality, should be 1-4. Jon Gruden! Gary Patterson! Chip Kelley! Bear Bryant! Knute Rockne! Vince Lombardi! The list of next head coaches is long.  The Vols actually believe they have one of the top two or three coaching jobs in the nation.  I'm not convinced they have one of the top two or three coaching jobs in the state of Tennessee.  Which brings me to...

Georgia.  Are the Dogs that good or is it just a case of MSU and Tennessee being that bad.  I don't know anything so whatever I say is now worthless, but I think its a combination of both.  Georgia is good but those two teams are flopping. 

Alabama.  I hate this team. 

Florida, Vandy, Kentucky, Arkansas, South Carolina.... all a big pile of meh.  That big Beluga bitch was giddy over a win over New Mexico State Technical College.

I'm looking at the SEC overall and I don't know how many of these teams will (or should) even be bowl eligible.  Will Tennessee or LSU win a conference game?  Will Missouri? That this would even be a question at this point of the season is baffling. 

And what about us?  People are scurrying to get back on the Gus Bus.  I'm not going to be that fickle.  I got off it and I'll stay off until I'm convinced. I feel better about where we are than I did two weeks ago, but a lot of that is because everybody else in the SEC except Bama (I hate them) looks pretty fragile. We're still not a complete team. There are things that don't make sense.  We don't spread the ball out enough in the backfied. Pettway is either injured or a head case (he looks terrible).  There's something off about the run game that needs to get fixed somehow.  Early in the game I saw Stidham make the same goofy ass flailing pants shitter that I've seen whenever he's under pressure.  That's got to change because there are teams left on the schedule that are going to pressure him.  I don't know anything. Don't know if we're good or not.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: The Six on October 01, 2017, 10:37:29 AM
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And what about us?  People are scurrying to get back on the Gus Bus.  I'm not going to be that fickle.  I got off it and I'll stay off until I'm convinced. I feel better about where we are than I did two weeks ago, but a lot of that is because everybody else in the SEC except Bama (I hate them) looks pretty fragile. We're still not a complete team.

^ All of that.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: The Six on October 01, 2017, 10:37:45 AM
So, hot seat tracking if mostly stupid, but nonetheless fun.

SEC Hot Seat Rankings in real estate terms (because, why not?)

WEST
Maintains own bank (and rules, unfortunately)
Saban/Alabama

Safe but the bank still holds the loan
Malzahn/Auburn
Mullen/Miss. State (they know what they are)

Trying to build curb appeal in a crowded neighborhood
Orgeron/LSU
Sumlin/TAMU

Foreclose eminent
Bielema/Arkansas

Already foreclosed and vote by city looming to turn it into a parking lot
Interim Luke/Ole Miss

EAST
Safe but the bank still holds the loan
McElwain/Florida
Smart/Georgia
Muschamp/South Carolina

Trying to build curb appeal in a bad neighborhood
Mason/Vandy
Stoops/Kentucky

Foerclosure eminent
Jones/Tennessee
Odom/Missouri

Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: jmar on October 01, 2017, 10:51:36 AM
^ All of that.
Yeah that much too.

Conference is weak overall, as weak as I've seen it. We are still vulnerable to any on the schedule because of Malzahn.

Gus looked tortured last night like he was meddling with Chip while the guy was trying to call sequences of plays.
Has to want to kill him.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 01, 2017, 11:33:28 AM
So, hot seat tracking if mostly stupid, but nonetheless fun.

SEC Hot Seat Rankings in real estate terms (because, why not?)

Trying to build curb appeal in a crowded neighborhood
Orgeron/LSU

Already foreclosed and vote by city looming to turn it into a parking lot
Interim Luke/Ole Miss
I think Yaw joins Luke. Once the city finds the funds to move forward with the parking lot project, he is gone.

Joe Aleva makes Jay Jacobs look like Albert Einstein.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: jmar on October 01, 2017, 11:58:36 AM
What is scary is Suitcase Bobby ending up at TAMU or LSU.

Tennessee not so much being in the SEC East.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Kaos on October 01, 2017, 12:17:48 PM
What is scary is Suitcase Bobby ending up at TAMU or LSU.

Tennessee not so much being in the SEC East.

Chip Gruden and Jon Kelley are taking every available coaching opening.  Fact.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: jmar on October 01, 2017, 12:51:53 PM
Chip Gruden and Jon Kelley are taking every available coaching opening.  Fact.
Too many trashy NFL teams available that could pay more. Next!
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 01, 2017, 01:15:38 PM
I am on the running boards of the Gus bus. Yes, I had jumped off. But it was on fire.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: jmar on October 01, 2017, 02:29:21 PM
I am on the running boards of the Gus bus. Yes, I had jumped off. But it was on fire.
Nothing has changed other than the conference as a whole sucks...as does Malzahn. We are just cursed with a mediocre, meddling, coachspeak machine.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: CCTAU on October 01, 2017, 04:04:09 PM
Nothing has changed other than the conference as a whole sucks...as does Malzahn. We are just cursed with a mediocre, meddling, coachspeak machine.


But we are #12!
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: jmar on October 01, 2017, 04:13:59 PM

But we are #12!
No argument because we have recruited so well. But watch his decisions against like talented teams though, ass cheeks drawn... against our biggest rivals Georgia and Alabama. It's him, not the team!
Tell me I'm wrong and why.

Hell Penn State has Franklin and he's as bad as Malzahn.
They just funnel talent.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: GH2001 on October 01, 2017, 04:39:19 PM
Uga is a good team. Not great but very solid. And their d looks like ours - very tough and physical.

They actually made quite a few mistakes against Tennessee and still won by 40 at their house. It could have been worse.

Oh and fuck dan mullins. Never seen such a sore loser in my life. You'd have thought that cocksucker just lost a heart breaker by 3 points. Excuses excuses. Fuck him.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 01, 2017, 04:46:39 PM
Nothing has changed other than the conference as a whole sucks...as does Malzahn. We are just cursed with a mediocre, meddling, coachspeak machine.
Some of you bitches need to get back in line and know your place. Jay Jacobs is still the AD at Auburn.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: jmar on October 01, 2017, 05:08:04 PM
Uga is a good team. Not great but very solid. And their d looks like ours - very tough and physical.

They actually made quite a few mistakes against Tennessee and still won by 40 at their house. It could have been worse.

Oh and fuck dan mullins. Never seen such a sore loser in my life. You'd have thought that cocksucker just lost a heart breaker by 3 points. Excuses excuses. Fuck him.
Don't care about Mullen but I think we can  score more if Malzahn just oversees, works the refs and just manages on the field stuff.
We have the makings for another run if we can keep our backfield healthy.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: chinook on October 01, 2017, 06:13:38 PM
I am on the running boards of the Gus bus. Yes, I had jumped off. But it was on fire.

Yes...and as that bus steams forward your holding your hand out to a running Jay. 

Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 01, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
Nothing has changed other than the conference as a whole sucks...as does Malzahn. We are just cursed with a mediocre, meddling, coachspeak machine.
I'm not willing to give a free pass yet. 2nd half of Clemson broke my unyielding support of Gus. But there has been substantial improvements and this is a first year OC with a QB who has been on the shelf for a year.

Bound to be a learning curve.

If we continue to improve, I may retain him. We shall see.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 01, 2017, 11:05:18 PM
I'm not willing to give a free pass yet. 2nd half of Clemson broke my unyielding support of Gus. But there has been substantial improvements and this is a first year OC with a QB who has been on the shelf for a year.

Bound to be a learning curve.

If we continue to improve, I may retain him. We shall see.

Said it a dozen times before.  Done with Gus after Clemson last year.  Only way he survives is turning it all over to someone else. He didn't against Clemson again this year.  If he had, we'd be 5-0 and top 5.  But Gus screwed the pooch again. I'll ride it out as if I/we have any choice.  Hope we win them all. Have zero faith that Gus won't step in and fuck it all up. 

It's coming.  Do you hear it coming?
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 01, 2017, 11:15:02 PM
Said it a dozen times before.  Done with Gus after Clemson last year.  Only way he survives is turning it all over to someone else. He didn't against Clemson again this year.  If he had, we'd be 5-0 and top 5.  But Gus screwed the pooch again. I'll ride it out as if I/we have any choice.  Hope we win them all. Have zero faith that Gus won't step in and fuck it all up. 

It's coming.  Do you hear it coming?
I'm sure that it's frustrating for those of you that have little to no say so in the direction of our program.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 01, 2017, 11:33:44 PM
I'm sure that it's frustrating for those of you that have little to no say so in the direction of our program.

Likewise for those who follow along blindly and have zero say in the direction of said program. 
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 01, 2017, 11:44:17 PM
Likewise for those who follow along blindly and have zero say in the direction of said program.
Them too. I'm sure it sux to be you.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 01, 2017, 11:59:29 PM
Them too. I'm sure it sux to be you.

Happy as a clam.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 04:19:13 AM
Said it a dozen times before.  Done with Gus after Clemson last year.  Only way he survives is turning it all over to someone else. He didn't against Clemson again this year.  If he had, we'd be 5-0 and top 5.  But Gus screwed the pooch again. I'll ride it out as if I/we have any choice.  Hope we win them all. Have zero faith that Gus won't step in and fuck it all up. 

It's coming.  Do you hear it coming?

Yes.  I hear it.

I'm in the same place you are.  Nothing has really changed for me. 

However.....

What gives me pause is the smoking craters in Knoxville and Baton Rouge.  How the flavors of the week in Nashville and Starkville both turned rancid and bitter. 

Outside Tuscaloosa and Clemson is there a "great" coach out there? What are the chances we will actually find that diamond in a bucket full of broken glass? Don't hand me Chip Kelley, his schtick was up at Oregon before he fled.  Don't give me Jon Gruden. Or Bob Stoops.  All three of them are headed to Tennessee anyway.

Am I happy with Malzahn? No.  Hell no.  The limp dick bumbling efforts he comes up with at the worst possible times are infuriating.  But when I think of the parade of awfulness that's trudged through Knoxville over the last decade?  I don't know how I feel. 
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: wesfau2 on October 02, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
Said it a dozen times before.  Done with Gus after Clemson last year.  Only way he survives is turning it all over to someone else. He didn't against Clemson again this year.  If he had, we'd be 5-0 and top 5.  But Gus screwed the pooch again. I'll ride it out as if I/we have any choice.  Hope we win them all. Have zero faith that Gus won't step in and fuck it all up. 

It's coming.  Do you hear it coming?

The only consolation is that no one will fault us for that loss to Clemson.  The pundits will forget what an offensive clusterfuck it was and remember only the final score.  We're still very much alive and, with the rest of the conference largely sucking rancid ass, I'm feeling much better about our prospects.


What gives me pause is the smoking craters in Knoxville and Baton Rouge.  How the flavors of the week in Nashville and Starkville both turned rancid and bitter. 

Outside Tuscaloosa and Clemson is there a "great" coach out there? What are the chances we will actually find that diamond in a bucket full of broken glass? Don't hand me Chip Kelley, his schtick was up at Oregon before he fled.  Don't give me Jon Gruden. Or Bob Stoops.  All three of them are headed to Tennessee anyway.

Am I happy with Malzahn? No.  Hell no.  The limp dick bumbling efforts he comes up with at the worst possible times are infuriating.  But when I think of the parade of awfulness that's trudged through Knoxville over the last decade?  I don't know how I feel. 


I mostly agree with this.  Like I said, we need to weather the Saban/Jacobs storms before we reach for the stars. 
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 02, 2017, 08:49:34 AM
The only consolation is that no one will fault us for that loss to Clemson.  The pundits will forget what an offensive clusterfuck it was and remember only the final score.  We're still very much alive and, with the rest of the conference largely sucking rancid ass, I'm feeling much better about our prospects.

I mostly agree with this.  Like I said, we need to weather the Saban/Jacobs storms before we reach for the stars.
Keep your feet on the ground and keep reaching for the stars.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Kaos on October 02, 2017, 08:50:40 AM
Like I said, we need to weather the Saban/Jacobs storms before we reach for the stars.

This can't be overstated. 

As much as Malzahn pisses me off, I did live through the 70s and the Barfield era.  That's as close a comparison as there can be to the current time in which we find ourselves. 

To Malzahn's credit, this isn't as bad even though those cheating fucks across the state might be better than they were in the 70s. 

When Bryant was at his peak we simply were not competitive.  We weren't competitive in recruiting, we weren't competitive on the field, we weren't competitive in marketing, we weren't competitive in any real way.  They dominated us on the field and in the living rooms. 

Barfield was nice guy who was in over his head.  Shug, God love him, didn't leave Doug much to work with.

We are more competitive with them now than we were then.  We haven't completely folded up the recruiting tents, we haven't been shoved into a virtual corner or marginalized.  I don't envy any coach having to deal with the Saban effect day after day after day.  What upsets me the most is that we are just as well positioned as, say, Clemson to compete at that level and provide a perpetual challenge but we've coached and outcoached ourselves far too often. 

When Bryant's power began to wane -- as Saban's inevitably will -- we were prepared to step into the void that was left.  Our administration had the wisdom to hire Pat Dye. 

I don't trust those currently in power to make that sort of hire.  If we stick with Gus, he HAS to learn how to do this job.  He can't keep bumbling around.  There is going to be a power vacuum in the fairly near future.  We have everything needed to fill it.  Except I don't trust Gus to be that guy. 
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 02, 2017, 09:53:01 AM
Likewise for those who follow along blindly and have zero say in the direction of said program.
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Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: bgreene on October 02, 2017, 11:06:06 AM
The Gus Bus is still on fire.  Someone already said it, we are where we are in the polls because the rest of the SECW looks like the SECE.  Gus will choke against UGA and the gumps. We will end the season with 3 or 4 losses, depending on bowl game and we will have this limp ass bus to ride again next year.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: chinook on October 02, 2017, 11:07:43 AM
The Gus Bus is still on fire.  Someone already said it, we are where we are in the polls because the rest of the SECW looks like the SECE.  Gus will choke against UGA and the gumps. We will end the season with 3 or 4 losses, depending on bowl game and we will have this limp ass bus to ride again next year.

I can't wait to play Wisconsin in the Outback Blooming Onion Bowl.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 02, 2017, 11:54:37 AM
I can't wait to play Wisconsin in the Outback Blooming Onion Bowl.

Good times.  Yeah, good times.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 02, 2017, 12:09:17 PM
I can't wait to play Wisconsin in the Outback Blooming Onion Bowl.
Or the Check into Cash Citrus Bowl brought to you by Dollar General.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: bgreene on October 02, 2017, 12:14:49 PM
If we're lucky we will land in the Dollar General Bowl
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 02, 2017, 12:43:34 PM
If we're lucky we will land in the Dollar General Bowl
Hopefully. Certainly hope we don't have to drive out of state.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 02, 2017, 01:00:19 PM


 But when I think of the parade of awfulness that's trudged through Knoxville over the last decade?  I don't know how I feel.

Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: GH2001 on October 02, 2017, 01:17:51 PM
This can't be overstated. 

As much as Malzahn pisses me off, I did live through the 70s and the Barfield era.  That's as close a comparison as there can be to the current time in which we find ourselves. 

To Malzahn's credit, this isn't as bad even though those cheating fucks across the state might be better than they were in the 70s. 

When Bryant was at his peak we simply were not competitive.  We weren't competitive in recruiting, we weren't competitive on the field, we weren't competitive in marketing, we weren't competitive in any real way.  They dominated us on the field and in the living rooms. 

Barfield was nice guy who was in over his head.  Shug, God love him, didn't leave Doug much to work with.

We are more competitive with them now than we were then.  We haven't completely folded up the recruiting tents, we haven't been shoved into a virtual corner or marginalized.  I don't envy any coach having to deal with the Saban effect day after day after day.  What upsets me the most is that we are just as well positioned as, say, Clemson to compete at that level and provide a perpetual challenge but we've coached and outcoached ourselves far too often. 

When Bryant's power began to wane -- as Saban's inevitably will -- we were prepared to step into the void that was left.  Our administration had the wisdom to hire Pat Dye. 

I don't trust those currently in power to make that sort of hire.  If we stick with Gus, he HAS to learn how to do this job.  He can't keep bumbling around.  There is going to be a power vacuum in the fairly near future.  We have everything needed to fill it.  Except I don't trust Gus to be that guy.


Ehhhh this is kind of where I too. I have to put into perspective the Saban effect. Other than Dabo, Gus is probably holding his own as good as anyone. Although not ideal we have to put it into context.
Title: Re: I know nothing, Jon Snow
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 02, 2017, 01:49:44 PM
Or the Check into Cash Citrus Bowl brought to you by Dollar General.

Fingers crossed for another 20 minute ride to the Birmingham Bowl