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Title: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 26, 2017, 02:34:24 PM
dot I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!!  I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others.  I like male genatalia in and around my mouth. piece.  I know we all want him gone.  If he were the AD at say, Tennessee, and you read this, would you believe the AD needs to hit the bricks?


By Creg Stephenson,
 cstephenson@al.com
 

Another gamble hire appears to have blown up in Jay Jacobs' face.

First off, let's be clear -- Jacobs is not tied to the federal bribery and corruption charges facing assistant basketball assistant coach Chuck Person, which were announced by the FBI on Tuesday.

But Jacobs hired Bruce Pearl. And Pearl hired Person.

It's never a good day when one of your employees' names shows up in a wide-ranging federal investigation. It remains to be seen what ultimately will come of all this, but Jacobs could wind up as collateral damage.

The case against Jacobs remaining as Auburn's athletic director continues to grow. And it's about more than just Tuesday's FBI bombshell.

Pearl was under a soon-to-expire NCAA show-cause order when Jacobs hired him, stemming from Pearl's time at Tennessee. Hiring a coach still under "show cause" was virtually unprecedented, but Jacobs did it anyway.

Until now, Pearl had avoided off-court scandal. And while he's revived interest in the Auburn basketball program, his teams have been mediocre.

Pearl's not named in the initial justice department charges either, though it's difficult to see how he can avoid being tarnished by this. Ditto for the man who hired him.

Adding this on top of the recent softball scandal -- in which Jacobs has admitted he "could have been more forthcoming" regarding the real reasons for assistant coach Corey Myers' midseason resignation and head coach Clint Myers' sudden "retirement" -- and Jacobs certainly should be worried.

Jacobs also hired former baseball coach Sunny Golloway, who accomplished the difficult task of making nearly every person he met during his tenure pretty much hate his guts (which he had also apparently done in his previous stop at Oklahoma). That's another example of a gamble hire that turned out disastrously.

Football has not endured a major (or at least provable) off-field scandal in the last several years, but has not shown much growth under Gus Malzahn, another Jacobs hire. Malzahn was hired (1) to close the gap on Alabama and (2) because he was an offensive guru who would light up the scoreboard. He's done neither, at least not consistently. In fact, he's 0-6 the last three years against Alabama and Georgia, Auburn's other big rival.

Jacobs' supporters will note that Auburn athletics is making money like never before. But that can be largely explained away by the huge checks the SEC Network continues to issue to member schools. It certainly doesn't cancel out the growing list of embarrassments that have occurred under Jacobs' watch.

So is this the end for Jay Jacobs? Should it be?
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 26, 2017, 02:44:32 PM
I'm not pinning this latest fiasco on Coach P or JJ.

It's all on Persons from what I've seen so far. That's not to say that either won't catch collateral from it. I just don't think they deserve it for hiring the guy.

JJ's job should depend on how Gus finishes though.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 26, 2017, 02:52:44 PM
Auburn is raking in money DESPITE his ineptness. That's a better way to put it.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 26, 2017, 03:08:53 PM
Does having someone arrested by the FBI give us double or triple points in the fulmer cup?
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: RottenBottom on September 26, 2017, 05:59:24 PM
Why did Steven Leath release this statement? Shouldn't that be Jay Jacobs job? Or is he slowly being relieved of duties?

http://www.eagleeyeauburn.com/article/2017/09/auburn-assistant-basketball-coach-to-be-charged-in-bribery-case

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Auburn, Ala. (EETV) - Auburn Associate Head Men's Basketball Coach Chuck Person has been listed as a defendant in a federal bribery case. He has also been suspended without pay from the university.

The case is being prosecuted by the U.S. Attorney's office for the southern district of New York.

According to legal documents, the charges result from a scheme involving bribery, corruption, and fraud in intercollegiate athletics.

According to the report below, that in the fall of 2016 Chuck Person participated in a bribery scheme in which he successfully directed student-athletes to retain services of a specific financial advisor and business manager.

EETV will live stream a press conference at noon with the U.S. Attorney's office for the southern district of New York.

In response to the charges, Auburn University released the following statement:

"This morning’s news is shocking. We are saddened, angry and disappointed. We have suspended Coach Person without pay effective immediately. We are committed to playing by the rules, and that’s what we expect from our coaches. In the meantime, Auburn is working closely with law enforcement, and we will help them in their investigation in any way we can."

Auburn University President Steven Leath released the same statement in a series of tweets.


Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 27, 2017, 09:14:16 AM


So is this the end for Jay Jacobs? Should it be?

Gotta say the same thing Kaos said about the softball thing.  There are a lot of things Jacobs should be fired for, this isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: AUChizad on September 27, 2017, 09:38:24 AM
Gotta say the same thing Kaos said about the softball thing.  There are a lot of things Jacobs should be fired for, this isn't one of them.
Not to play Devil's Advocate too much, but on the surface, I definitely agree with this, just like I did with the Meyers scandal.

But as irrational and unreasonable on a practical level that it may be, I can see the "pattern" here being justification. Pearl and Meyers were his trademark grand-slam A+ hires on paper and BOTH of them are gonna end in scandal within weeks of each other, setting each program back to at least where they were before they were hired.

Hindsight is 20/20. I wanted Rifleman to be our head coach in waiting for when Pearl retired. If I were AD, this shit would be on me. I think Jay probably had just as much knowledge of this as I did. But at a certain point is the "pattern" a problem? Is he not doing something he should be doing in terms of compliance education? Not that this required any kind of educational training program to know was clearly illegal. I dunno.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2017, 10:00:36 AM
Kevin Skrubdinski hit the nail on the head for me when he asked the simple question in his piece from yesterday.  How many scandals can happen on one man's watch before it's time to relieve him of his duties?

This isn't going to stop with Person.  This is going to be long and drawn out and there's going to be nothing we can hide. Not only will the NCAA eventually get around to camping out on the Plains again, but the whole discovery process with the FBI investigation is about to start.  Obviously, the FBI has subpoena power and will have access to anything and everything they want.  If Pearl had knowledge or was involved in any way, they'll find out and he gone.  I think he gone.  No way he couldn't know.  In addition, Person and all the other people charged, are about to start singing like canaries to negotiate lesser penalties. 

IMO, Jacobs needs to be shown the door asap and someone with true AD skills, who can weather the shit storm that's about to come, should be put in place. Don't think these peeps aren't going to be looking for this to spill over into football programs around the country.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2017, 10:07:43 AM
Gotta say the same thing Kaos said about the softball thing.  There are a lot of things Jacobs should be fired for, this isn't one of them.

Twice in the last three months, I'm forced to defend someone for which I have no respect. 

Jacobs is a clown.  But not for this.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: AUJarhead on September 27, 2017, 10:21:00 AM
Twice in the last three months, I'm forced to defend someone for which I have no respect. 

Jacobs is a clown.  But not for this.

You're right.

But this + softball + ticket scandal + Sonny Galloway Hiring/Firing/Lawsuit + Tony Barbee hiring/firing + David Marsh leaving + Tommy Tuberville firing + Gene Chizik hiring/firing + John Pawlowski hiring/firing + NYT Sociology Class scandal + ...how long do we let this shit go on?...  (you'd also have a hard time convincing me that Jacobs was not involved with JetGate)

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but he's got an established pattern of buffoonery and needs to be out on his ass.

Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2017, 10:23:42 AM
You're right.

But this + softball + ticket scandal + Sonny Galloway Hiring/Firing/Lawsuit + Tony Barbee hiring/firing + David Marsh leaving + Tommy Tuberville firing + Gene Chizik hiring/firing + John Pawlowski hiring/firing + NYT Sociology Class scandal + ...how long do we let this shit go on?...  (you'd also have a hard time convincing me that Jacobs was not involved with JetGate)

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but he's got an established pattern of buffoonery and needs to be out on his ass.

You had me at hello.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: djsimp on September 27, 2017, 10:24:24 AM
Gotta say the same thing Kaos said about the softball thing.  There are a lot of things Jacobs should be fired for, this isn't one of them.

But, the way things seem to work at Auburn, this will be what Jacobs will be fired over. No real proof to back it except history.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: AUJarhead on September 27, 2017, 11:08:32 AM
You had me at hello.

Shit, I forgot about the Basketball Point Shaving Scandal...
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 27, 2017, 11:09:02 AM
You're right.

But this + softball + ticket scandal + Sonny Galloway Hiring/Firing/Lawsuit + Tony Barbee hiring/firing + David Marsh leaving + Tommy Tuberville firing + Gene Chizik hiring/firing + John Pawlowski hiring/firing + NYT Sociology Class scandal + ...how long do we let this shit go on?...  (you'd also have a hard time convincing me that Jacobs was not involved with JetGate)

I know I'm preaching to the choir, but he's got an established pattern of buffoonery and needs to be out on his ass.

Your post ^^ I want to hump it.

David marsh is the worst one on the list and no one ever mentions it.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2017, 11:20:08 AM
Your post ^^ I want to hump it.

David marsh is the worst one on the list and no one ever mentions it.

The screwing of the ticketholders is the worst to me. 

My grandparents and then my parents had season tickets from the 70s. Before there was even an upper deck.  Until Jacobs. 

Every year he asked for a bigger and bigger contribution or they'd either be moved somewhere else (upper deck) or put on a wait list.  Sometimes even a bigger contribution than they'd given the year before wouldn't be enough to keep them off the wait list.  My dad couldn't physically handle the walk to the upper deck.

Neither of my parents graduated from Auburn.  My brother and sister did and my daughter has.  But still my parents gave money. They bought bricks. They bought the 1x1 spots on the field for all of us.  Almost every time Auburn came with its hand out, they responded.  They weren't Jimmy Rane or Uncle Milt. But they answered almost every call.

That wasn't good enough for Jacobs' new Auburn. They eventually gave their tickets up. 

That's not the way that should work. 

Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 27, 2017, 11:26:24 AM
The screwing of the ticketholders is the worst to me. 

My grandparents and then my parents had season tickets from the 70s. Before there was even an upper deck.  Until Jacobs. 

Every year he asked for a bigger and bigger contribution or they'd either be moved somewhere else (upper deck) or put on a wait list.  Sometimes even a bigger contribution than they'd given the year before wouldn't be enough to keep them off the wait list.  My dad couldn't physically handle the walk to the upper deck.

Neither of my parents graduated from Auburn.  My brother and sister did and my daughter has.  But still my parents gave money. They bought bricks. They bought the 1x1 spots on the field for all of us.  Almost every time Auburn came with its hand out, they responded.  They weren't Jimmy Rane or Uncle Milt. But they answered almost every call.

That wasn't good enough for Jacobs' new Auburn. They eventually gave their tickets up. 

That's not the way that should work.

Damn straight!  Common man priced out!

Signed,
dallaswareagle
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Buzz Killington on September 27, 2017, 11:27:26 AM
And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids.  I was getting some primo seats until you finally called out the shadow.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: chinook on September 27, 2017, 12:33:23 PM
honestly, for y'all analyzing each incident and making a decision whether it's fire-able or not is fine.  justifiable conversation but for some it appears you move along still waiting for the mythical rainbow colored unicorn to jump out with a fire-able offense banner. how much latitude are you willing to give?  how much bullshit will you allow to destroy our university?  enough is enough with Jay.  he needs to go now! 

i agree with snaggle's and jarhead's post completely.   
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: bottomfeeder on September 27, 2017, 12:39:49 PM
The fact that JJ had a sex change operation doesn't mean that he doesn't like a little pussy every now and then.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: RottenBottom on September 27, 2017, 12:40:37 PM
The screwing of the ticketholders is the worst to me. 

My grandparents and then my parents had season tickets from the 70s. Before there was even an upper deck.  Until Jacobs. 

Every year he asked for a bigger and bigger contribution or they'd either be moved somewhere else (upper deck) or put on a wait list.  Sometimes even a bigger contribution than they'd given the year before wouldn't be enough to keep them off the wait list.  My dad couldn't physically handle the walk to the upper deck.

Neither of my parents graduated from Auburn.  My brother and sister did and my daughter has.  But still my parents gave money. They bought bricks. They bought the 1x1 spots on the field for all of us.  Almost every time Auburn came with its hand out, they responded.  They weren't Jimmy Rane or Uncle Milt. But they answered almost every call.

That wasn't good enough for Jacobs' new Auburn. They eventually gave their tickets up. 

That's not the way that should work.

Season ticket holders can now get a refund for their basketball tickets. Honestly the first good thing the Athletic Department has done lately...
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: chinook on September 27, 2017, 12:46:22 PM
Season ticket holders can now get a refund for their basketball tickets. Honestly the first good thing the Athletic Department has done lately...

i completely disagree with a refund.  haste decision.   
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: AUTailgatingRules on September 27, 2017, 01:07:08 PM
i completely disagree with a refund.  haste decision.   

Most likey because we won't be playing any games there this year. Or the next, or the next or the next.....
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: RottenBottom on September 27, 2017, 01:10:03 PM
i completely disagree with a refund.  haste decision.   
I'm seeing it as the compliance department predicting this is going to implicate the program more as a whole than we think. They have already hired two guys from Montgomery to come review the situation to find out who knew what and when they knew it. The refunds make me feel like we won't be keeping Bruce much longer
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 27, 2017, 01:28:57 PM
I'm seeing it as the compliance department predicting this is going to implicate the program more as a whole than we think. They have already hired two guys from Montgomery to come review the situation to find out who knew what and when they knew it. The refunds make me feel like we won't be keeping Bruce much longer
Ugh...you could be right.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 27, 2017, 01:29:20 PM
honestly, for y'all analyzing each incident and making a decision whether it's fire-able or not is fine.  justifiable conversation but for some it appears you move along still waiting for the mythical rainbow colored unicorn to jump out with a fire-able offense banner. how much latitude are you willing to give?  how much bullshit will you allow to destroy our university?  enough is enough with Jay.  he needs to go now! 

i agree with snaggle's and jarhead's post completely.

This is twue.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 27, 2017, 01:46:27 PM
Ugh...you could be right.

2nd that.

I don't think they would be that haste (as nook put it) for no reason. Not this quickly.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 27, 2017, 01:48:55 PM
The screwing of the ticketholders is the worst to me. 

My grandparents and then my parents had season tickets from the 70s. Before there was even an upper deck.  Until Jacobs. 

Every year he asked for a bigger and bigger contribution or they'd either be moved somewhere else (upper deck) or put on a wait list.  Sometimes even a bigger contribution than they'd given the year before wouldn't be enough to keep them off the wait list.  My dad couldn't physically handle the walk to the upper deck.

Neither of my parents graduated from Auburn.  My brother and sister did and my daughter has.  But still my parents gave money. They bought bricks. They bought the 1x1 spots on the field for all of us.  Almost every time Auburn came with its hand out, they responded.  They weren't Jimmy Rane or Uncle Milt. But they answered almost every call.

That wasn't good enough for Jacobs' new Auburn. They eventually gave their tickets up. 

That's not the way that should work.

Can't disagree with any of that. I finally gave mine up after the 12 season. I could pay that anymore with what I was seeing in return.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 27, 2017, 01:55:04 PM
Can't disagree with any of that. I finally gave mine up after the 12 season. I could pay that anymore with what I was seeing in return.

The problem is they charge the donation per ticket.  It used to be you could partner with someone who was already paying the donation and just have them order extra tickets.  Not no more.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 27, 2017, 01:58:20 PM
The problem is they charge the donation per ticket.  It used to be you could partner with someone who was already paying the donation and just have them order extra tickets.  Not no more.

For the seats I had it had gotten to 600 a seat and I had 4. So I was shelling out about 2500 bucks before I even had the right to buy one single ticket. Combine that with what happened in 2012 and it was an easy decision. Much like K my family had those seats for over 20 years but enough was enough.

2500 may be chump change for snags to have free reign at Teasers Gentlemens Club off highway 84 (the door guy can get him in free when he ain't on his cellphone wink wink) but it prices common men like Dallas out.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: dallaswareagle on September 27, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
Can't disagree with any of that. I finally gave mine up after the 12 season. I could pay that anymore with what I was seeing in return.

 :meme: :miltie:

Always room for one more in the common man club. 
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2017, 04:53:41 PM
honestly, for y'all analyzing each incident and making a decision whether it's fire-able or not is fine.  justifiable conversation but for some it appears you move along still waiting for the mythical rainbow colored unicorn to jump out with a fire-able offense banner. how much latitude are you willing to give?  how much bullshit will you allow to destroy our university?  enough is enough with Jay.  he needs to go now! 

i agree with snaggle's and jarhead's post completely.

Bluto's right!




Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 27, 2017, 05:10:55 PM
Gotta say the same thing Kaos said about the softball thing.  There are a lot of things Jacobs should be fired for, this isn't one of them.
^^This. Can't hang Meyers or Persons on JJ.

I don't think I would miss him but I think to fire him over either of these is wrong.

Overall, he's very mediocre imo. You could train a monkey to raise this much money at AU. He's made some damn good hires and some damn bad ones.

And #1, Gus ain't looking too spiffy right now. Could turn out ok but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Unless more bad stuff comes out about their knowing, don't hang this on Pearl or JJ.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2017, 05:19:12 PM
^^This. Can't hang Meyers or Persons on JJ.

I don't think I would miss him but I think to fire him over either of these is wrong.

Overall, he's very mediocre imo. You could train a monkey to raise this much money at AU. He's made some damn good hires and some damn bad ones.

And #1, Gus ain't looking to spiffy right now. Could turn out ok but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Unless more bad stuff comes out about their knowing, don't hang this on Pearl or JJ.

WT say wut?

Like Jar or Nook or somebody said earlier, it's become a pattern.  Hard to list all the failed hires and scandals under his watch.  Eventually you just have to cut ties. 
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: AUJarhead on September 27, 2017, 05:20:22 PM
He's made some damn good hires and some damn bad ones.

Give me a list of the good ones, please. If Butch Thompson is at the top, remind yourself that he's had one season.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 27, 2017, 05:21:23 PM
Give me a list of the good ones, please. If Butch Thompson is at the top, remind yourself that he's had one season.

Cut him some slack.  He really likes the name Butch.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: chinook on September 27, 2017, 05:29:43 PM
^^This. Can't hang Meyers or Persons on JJ.

I don't think I would miss him but I think to fire him over either of these is wrong.

Overall, he's very mediocre imo. You could train a monkey to raise this much money at AU. He's made some damn good hires and some damn bad ones.

And #1, Gus ain't looking too spiffy right now. Could turn out ok but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Unless more bad stuff comes out about their knowing, don't hang this on Pearl or JJ.

good grief.  my head is going to explode.  he's at the helm of our athletic department...many corporate heads, military leaders and other executive directors get fired by some peon in accounting. 

he needs eyes and ears around the department to prevent this shit...in these cases he didn't.  all of this could have been prevented. 

Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Kaos on September 27, 2017, 06:28:50 PM
good grief.  my head is going to explode.  he's at the helm of our athletic department...many corporate heads, military leaders and other executive directors get fired by some peon in accounting. 

he needs eyes and ears around the department to prevent this shit...in these cases he didn't.  all of this could have been prevented.

I have no doubt he means well. He’s simply not qualified for this job. He never was. Not his fault really. A man with his qualifications should never have been hired.  He probably thinks he’s doing a good job.

He’s never been away from Auburn. He has no experience. Much like gus he has no mentors. He’s never been exposed to anything from which he could learn other than his own insular crew of yes men and sting pullers.

Ignore that he was always at Auburn.  Strike the college name from his resume. Would a junior college have hired someone with his background as AD?  I don’t think so.

I don’t hate him personally.  And we are right that each individual strand won’t hold his weight in a hanging. But if you put all those strings together it’s a hell of a noose.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 27, 2017, 07:44:06 PM
good grief.  my head is going to explode.  he's at the helm of our athletic department...many corporate heads, military leaders and other executive directors get fired by some peon in accounting. 

he needs eyes and ears around the department to prevent this shit...in these cases he didn't.  all of this could have been prevented.
Actually, they don't usually get fired. It doesn't roll uphill, usually.

At least I haven't experienced it. Worked with 3 fortune 500s for 20+ and never saw Ed get fired for what Bob in accounting did.

If you start firing the boss for underlings stupid actions, it's never ending.

There is no way that I see that ANYONE could've prevented what Persons did.

I don't like JJ on a personal level. Find him to be a jerk. Very similar to many posters on here in that he's not qualified. But, this isn't one to hang on him.

The Meyers, Thompson and Pearl were all good hires. Sure, it's too soon to tell how they turn out but I approve the hire. Which matters more than most.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: AUJarhead on September 27, 2017, 07:46:43 PM
Here is a list of all Auburn Varsity Sports, along with the current head coach.  If the head coach prior to this one was a Jacobs hire, I also list them.

Auburn Tigers Baseball
  John Pawlowski    5 seasons, 167–126 (1 NCAA)
  Sunny Golloway    2 seasons, 62–50 (1 NCAA)
  Butch Thompson 2 seasons, 60–58 (1 NCAA)

Auburn Tigers Men's Basketball
  Tony Barbee, 4 Seasons, 49-75
  Bruce Pearl, 3 Seasons, 44-54

Auburn Tigers Women's Basketball
  Terri Williams-Flournoy 5 seasons,  88–76 (2 NIT, 2 NCAA)

Auburn Tigers Equestrian
Greg Williams was not a Jay Jacobs Hire

Auburn Tigers Football
Gene Chizik 4 seasons, 33–19 (1 BCS, 1 SEC, 3 bowl games)
Gus Malzhan 5 seasons, 38–19 (1 SEC, 4 Bowl Games)

Auburn Men's Golf
Nick Clinard 9th Season (6 NCAAs)

Auburn Women's Golf
Melissa Luellen 3rd Season (1 NCAA)

Auburn Gymnastics
Jeff Graba 7th Season 72-88-1 (3 time SEC coach of the year, 1 Super Six)

Auburn Women's Soccer
Karen Hoppa was not a Jay Jacobs Hire

Auburn Softball
Clint Myers, 4 seasons, 205-53-1 (4 NCAA)
Mickey Dean, 1st season, 0-0

Auburn Swimming & Diving
Richard Quick (1 NCAA Title)
Brett Hawke 8 seasons (3 SEC Titles)

Auburn Men's Tennis
Bobby Reynolds 2 seasons (1 NCAA Doubles Appearance)

Auburn Women's Tennis
Lauren Spencer 7 seasons 109-66 (AU All time Winningest Coach, 3 NCAA)

Auburn Track & Field, Cross Country
Ralph Spry was not a Jay Jacobs Hire

Auburn Volleyball
Rick Nold 7th season 93-89 (3 NCAAs)

So where would you rank the hires?
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 27, 2017, 07:58:42 PM
Here is a list of all Auburn Varsity Sports, along with the current head coach.  If the head coach prior to this one was a Jacobs hire, I also list them.

Auburn Tigers Baseball
  John Pawlowski    5 seasons, 167–126 (1 NCAA)
  Sunny Golloway    2 seasons, 62–50 (1 NCAA)
  Butch Thompson 2 seasons, 60–58 (1 NCAA)

Auburn Tigers Men's Basketball
  Tony Barbee, 4 Seasons, 49-75
  Bruce Pearl, 3 Seasons, 44-54

Auburn Tigers Women's Basketball
  Terri Williams-Flournoy 5 seasons,  88–76 (2 NIT, 2 NCAA)

Auburn Tigers Equestrian
Greg Williams was not a Jay Jacobs Hire

Auburn Tigers Football
Gene Chizik 4 seasons, 33–19 (1 BCS, 1 SEC, 3 bowl games)
Gus Malzhan 5 seasons, 38–19 (1 SEC, 4 Bowl Games)

Auburn Men's Golf
Nick Clinard 9th Season (6 NCAAs)

Auburn Women's Golf
Melissa Luellen 3rd Season (1 NCAA)

Auburn Gymnastics
Jeff Graba 7th Season 72-88-1 (3 time SEC coach of the year, 1 Super Six)

Auburn Women's Soccer
Karen Hoppa was not a Jay Jacobs Hire

Auburn Softball
Clint Myers, 4 seasons, 205-53-1 (4 NCAA)
Mickey Dean, 1st season, 0-0

Auburn Swimming & Diving
Richard Quick (1 NCAA Title)
Brett Hawke 8 seasons (3 SEC Titles)

Auburn Men's Tennis
Bobby Reynolds 2 seasons (1 NCAA Doubles Appearance)

Auburn Women's Tennis
Lauren Spencer 7 seasons 109-66 (AU All time Winningest Coach, 3 NCAA)

Auburn Track & Field, Cross Country
Ralph Spry was not a Jay Jacobs Hire

Auburn Volleyball
Rick Nold 7th season 93-89 (3 NCAAs)

So where would you rank the hires?
Look dude, I don't care where they are ranked. I'm just saying no one could control Persons doing this or the Meyers boy's actions. I've seen it up close and personal on many occasions.
I listed what I think were 3 good hires. That is all the effort that I care to put into it, unless paid. Then, I'll school you some more.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 27, 2017, 08:08:33 PM
Look dude, I don't care where they are ranked. I'm just saying no one could control Persons doing this or the Meyers boy's actions. I've seen it up close and personal on many occasions.
I listed what I think were 3 good hires. That is all the effort that I care to put into it, unless paid. Then, I'll school you some more.

3 for 20. Great batting average Jay has. Let's keep him aboard 
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: jmar on September 27, 2017, 10:37:45 PM
3 for 20. Great batting average Jay has. Let's keep him aboard
I too have wanted him gone and this might be our only opportunity to rid ourselves of him GH. The new problem with Person is likely to drag out through 2018 and now suddenly it seems the media wants to precipitate a full scale meltdown on Auburn as if corruption as at it's very core without knowing much more than we ourselves have heard in the past two days. I don't want to defend him but I don't want anyone railroaded just to satisfy their need to suddenly grandstand and sensationalize what might only be a instance of a wayward assistant.
The media won't pump the brakes.
They want a body count.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: chinook on September 27, 2017, 11:57:39 PM
Actually, they don't usually get fired. It doesn't roll uphill, usually.

At least I haven't experienced it. Worked with 3 fortune 500s for 20+ and never saw Ed get fired for what Bob in accounting did.

If you start firing the boss for underlings stupid actions, it's never ending.

There is no way that I see that ANYONE could've prevented what Persons did.

I don't like JJ on a personal level. Find him to be a jerk. Very similar to many posters on here in that he's not qualified. But, this isn't one to hang on him.

The Meyers, Thompson and Pearl were all good hires. Sure, it's too soon to tell how they turn out but I approve the hire. Which matters more than most.

 Well i'll add you to the list of folks that like to suck Jay penis.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: jmar on September 28, 2017, 01:16:05 AM
 
Well i'll add you to the list of folks that like to suck Jay penis.
I don't want him.
But given the prospect of the Feds poking holes and connecting dots while doing the work for the NCAA; who will then further penalize Auburn with it's nitpicking, it just feels like an expansion of the Cam Newton saga.

It may well be that there is more guilt to go around but our rivals are hellbent on crushing the dirty cheating Aubie bastards, especially the REC cabal of boosters as well as the rest of the SEC.

This is a two headed monster and it will drag on endlessly. Somebody is going to have to get out in front of this.
Who do we have?

It's too early to be making a sacrifice of anyone. JJ showed that he could think on his feet during the Cam media firestorm and this could be worse.

Is it not better to have Jay out front over an academic who practices invocations and doesn't have the balls to speak up or fire Jacobs  when it's warranted?

Twice this week Pearl was yanked from giving a press conference. There was a reason for that.

Jacob's can always be cut loose.
But it just might be that we need him.
And like the old man said...you can always do worse.
Just practicing caution.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 28, 2017, 07:36:11 AM
Well i'll add you to the list of folks that like to suck Jay penis.
Are you saying there is anything wrong with this?
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: RottenBottom on September 28, 2017, 08:39:51 AM
Well i'll add you to the list of folks that like to suck Jay penis.
So he does have a penis?  I thought it was just a very large clitoris.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2017, 08:55:34 AM
So he does have a penis?  I thought it was just a very large clitoris.
You win the internets for today.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: chinook on September 28, 2017, 10:19:12 AM
You win the internets for today.

My day just started though.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Snaggletiger on September 28, 2017, 10:35:38 AM
My day just started though.

Are you challenging him to a walk-off?
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2017, 10:38:02 AM
My day just started though.
It was that good
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: RottenBottom on September 28, 2017, 10:44:51 AM
Are you challenging him to a walk-off?
I would lose that one. I'm batting 1/316 for making a good post. So it'll be a quick minute before I come up with something entertaining again.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: GH2001 on September 28, 2017, 10:49:03 AM
So he does have a penis?  I thought it was just a very large clitoris.

Like Arby's roast beef porn style style?
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on September 28, 2017, 10:49:52 AM
I would lose that one. I'm batting 1/316 for making a good post. So it'll be a quick minute before I come up with something entertaining again.
That was a very good one.

But, you are right. You were long overdue.
Title: Re: Should It Be The End For JJ?
Post by: Godfather on September 28, 2017, 11:01:03 AM
Like Arby's roast beef porn style style?
WE HAVE THE MEATS!