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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on July 23, 2017, 11:25:42 AM
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Or not so much.
I don't know very many Ole Miss fans, but the few I do are unrepentant and almost nonchalant in the face of the complete implosion of their athletic program.
The prevailing sentiment is that whatever the damage "it was well worth it." They're willing to accept Sanctimonious Freezyfraud, impending NCAA annihilation, the public spectacle and what's likely to be a long wander through the desert for....
Nothing close to a national title
No SEC titles
One ten-win season (likely to be vacated)
One top ten finish (#10 AP)
Two wins over Alabama in five years
Two wins over Auburn in five years
Two wins over LSU in five years
Two wins over Arkansas in five years
Three wins over Mississippi State and A&M in five years
7-6 (3-5, fifth)
8-5 (3-5, fifth)
9-4 (5-3, third)
10-3 (6-2, second)
5-7 (2-6, LAST)
and a big recruiting splash.
They also got Beau Wallace, Swag Kelley, Smoke Tunsil, Robert Fly Kimdeeche (you spell that), Fourth and 25, a 42-3 loss to TCU (the worst bowl loss in program history), a complete implosion against FSU (losing after leading by three TDS), a complete implosion against UA (losing after leading by three TDs), and losses to Vanderbilt (twice), Missouri and Memphis.
This is "greatness?" This is "worth it?"
This is the kind of mediocrity that would have us ready to make a change. That is is considered one of the greatest eras in Ole Miss history and worth all the disgrace and destruction that's being and will be unleashed? That they are head-held-high proud of it? I'm boggled.
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But....the grove.
And guys with cool parted haircuts. Wearing izods. Named Brooks and Chet.
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They deserve it all for thinking that they were going to upgrade from Cutcliffe.
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Think Les Miles or Chip Kelly is interested?
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Think Les Miles or Chip Kelly is interested?
Maybe and No.
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My friend's now ex-boyfriend is an obnoxious Ole Miss fan, and he stayed with us in New Orleans when they were in the Sugar Bowl two years ago.
Repeatedly said it was a lifelong dream of his to watch Ole Miss play in the Sugar Bowl. They lost, of course.
Incidentally, I had a distant cousin and his friends who were all Oklahoma State students staying with me too. Every time the Ole Miss guy would say some shit like that, they'd make fun of him with comments like "Dream big, dude" and all smirk at eachother knowingly. Ole Miss guy never seemed to catch on.
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Yaw yaw yaw yaw, yaw yaw, yaw yaw, Mike Shula.
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Yaw yaw yaw yaw, yaw yaw, yaw yaw, Mike Shula.
He'll get em' through the tough times until they can get back to....wait....Back to what?
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Yaw yaw yaw yaw, yaw yaw, yaw yaw, Mike Shula.
YASSSSSSSS.
Fucks OM and gets that mouth-breather out of Charlotte.
Winwinwinwinwinwin
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My friend's now ex-boyfriend is an obnoxious Ole Miss fan, and he stayed with us in New Orleans when they were in the Sugar Bowl two years ago.
Where did he sleep?
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I kinda feel for them. They tried to cheat like bammer and got caught.
Today, many fans around the nation are wondering why bammer still hasn't been investigated like ole mrs.
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Where did he sleep?
between Chad's inner thighs.
I'll take where's Snag's balls are for 1000?
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Miles to Black Bear U.
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The wound is festering...
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/ole-miss-football/report-two-ole-miss-players-arrested-shoplifting/
http://m.oxfordeagle.com/2017/08/02/ole-miss-tight-end-octavious-cooley-suspended-indefinitely/
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I don't pay much attention to Ole Miss and the whole scandal over there except to point and laugh at those assholes occasionally.
I do have to wonder, though, as all the players in their little drama (Barney Farrarrarer, Rebel Rags, Houston Nutt, Bjork, etc.) keep throwing mud at each other, where is the collateral damage?
Many of the players Ole Miss is accused of paying were previously tied to Bama or UGA. I know Shea Patterson was once on our radar then abruptly off it. Did we see, hear or know something?
You'd think that as they unraveled the mess that is Ole Miss and prepared to smite them in a biblical smiting, there would be some tunnels that lead to other places. If Freeze knew something wouldn't he sing to escape a show cause or is coaching like the mafia's omerta. Never rat out the family?
Of course if any tunnels did lead to Bama, the NCAA would fill those with concrete.
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Of course if any tunnels did lead to Bama, the NCAA would fill those with concrete.
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I'm quite sure this has already been posted so spare me the tongue lashing. Wait...tongue lashing? Lash away, lash away. Also, this is from a couple of months ago on SBNation. But, I was curious because I really haven't looked closely at what the Black Bears are facing. You know I'm one that believes it goes on everywhere, but these guys have been out of control. Then their corch is popped for hookers and blow. A couple are meh and the author points that out. But dayum!!!
Ole Miss’ football team is facing 21 NCAA allegations, including 15 of the most serious classification, Level I. The Rebels were already staring down 13, and that number grew on Wednesday and came with a self-imposed postseason ban for 2017.
Current head coach Hugh Freeze’s staff is responsible for the entire round of new charges, making Freeze look pretty lousy for his defensive tone when people started to raise eyebrows about Ole Miss years ago. Here’s how the situation looks going forward.
Ole Miss had 90 days to issue a formal response to the NCAA’s newest Notice of Allegations, which they did. Here’s a ranking of the NCAA’s current allegations against the Rebels, sorted by the only criterion that matters: zestiness.
1. Boosters paid at least $13,000 to a recruit who later spurned them.
That’s what the NCAA says a couple of Ole Miss boosters did. In its new batch, the NCAA alleges a former Rebel staffer set up a couple of boosters with a recruit, and those boosters furnished the player with between $13,000 and $15,600 in cash between April 2014 and February 2015. And then the recruit didn’t even go there.
What a waste of 13-grand this would’ve been. Ole Miss doesn’t deny that the boosters had contact with a recruit, but it’s not saying yet whether it agrees with the existence of payments.
2. Two former Ole Miss assistants helped fix recruits' ACT scores.
Before the Rebels’ alleged failed Bag Man attempt, this was the top of the ticket, as part of the NCAA’s initial 13 allegations last year.
The NCAA says previous assistants Chris Vaughn and David Saunders instructed recruits to take the ACT college entry exam at a specific high school in Wayne County, Miss., in 2010.
Vaughn and Saunders instructed the recruits to leave blank any answer spaces they weren't confident about, the NCAA says. This would allow correct answers to be filled in later, presumably so they'd qualify at Ole Miss.
As a result, the NCAA says three Ole Miss players competed while they weren't eligible in 2011, and one continued to play while ineligible for three more seasons.
Ole Miss agreed testing fraud happened, though the school was light on details.
3. Ole Miss demonstrated a lack of institutional control.
This is a big one. The NCAA says “institutional†control describes “the efforts institutions make to comply with NCAA legislation and to detect and investigate violations that do occur.†To say you’ve “lacked†it is to say you haven’t cared about rules, and it can be a pretext for a hammering.
The LOIC is an evolved form, according to Ole Miss, of a “failure to monitor†charge the NCAA had previously announced. Ole Miss is contesting it.
4. A former staffer knowingly broke rules and lied to everyone about it.
The staffer the NCAA believes set up the big payment to the recruit is charged with trampling over NCAA regulations. Ole Miss says that staffer lied to the school, too. It’s juicy in the same way perjury is juicy in actual courts.
5. An Ole Miss booster gave a player’s family member $800 in cash in August 2014.
The juice depends mostly on the means of transfer. Was the alleged payment delivered in a duffel bag? A wad of cash? A wire transfer? Venmo? It’s down on the list because it’s a lower dollar amount than the $13,000-plus, but it has mysteriousness.
Ole Miss has responded affirmatively, that a booster met the family member in Oxford's airport and handed him $800. This family member is referred to throughout the NCAA's allegations and Ole Miss' response to them as "Family Member 1."
Based on everything we've known for months, this appears to be former offensive tackle Laremy Tunsil's stepfather, and Tunsil appears to be listed as "Student-Athlete 1." He personally told the NCAA about much of this.
Tunsil’s comments at least year’s NFL draft helped lead to this second round of allegations, but Tunsil isn’t apparently involved in them.
6. A trio of Ole Miss assistants cheated in recruiting six players in 2010.
This focuses mostly on Vaughn and Saunders, the alleged ACT fixers, but also on current assistant Derrick Nix. (Ole Miss agrees Vaughn and Saunders were involved but says the NCAA has overstated Nix's involvement.) In total, the NCAA says $1,750 in impermissible benefits reached six recruits.
The aim of the help, according to the NCAA, was to help the recruits with transportation to a summer class that would aid their eligibility status. Ole Miss is in trouble for helping recruits get to class.
7. Players got a lot of help with car loans.
All under one allegation, the NCAA outlines four automobile-related charges occurring between 2014 and 2015. They're all boring, relating to plumb loan deals players got on cars.
Three of the four are against Student-Athlete 1, Tunsil. There's one other car allegation against a non-Tunsil player.
The NCAA estimates the car arrangements resulted in $7,495 of impermissible benefits altogether. Ole Miss agrees this happened.
8. A booster with a store gave stuff away.
9. A booster with a restaurant gave stuff away.
The NCAA’s new allegations include these. Both are Level I allegations, though the store owner’s “merchandise†was reportedly worth $2,800 and the restaurant owner only gave away a few hundred bucks’ worth of food, drinks, and cash, the NCAA believes. If you’re going to be a booster, I guess you might as well spread the love?
10. Ole Miss made personalized hype videos for recruits.
The NCAA claims Freeze, in 2013, directed a video staffer to take pictures of recruits in the Rebels' indoor practice facility, wearing official team apparel, and then had the pictures incorporated into "commercial-style" videos to be played for recruits and their families while they were on visits. This seems like a silly way to get tripped up.
11. A current assistant helped link recruits with a booster who gave impermissible benefits.
Ole Miss accepts that a booster who also volunteered at a local high school gave several recruits what amounted to $2,250 worth of "recruiting inducements," including lodging, transportation, and meals.
Maurice Harris, still an Ole Miss assistant, facilitated $485 of that and knew of the booster's relationship with prospects, the NCAA estimates.
12. Ole Miss put up a player's family members in hotels and rental properties.
Ole Miss admits to $2,253 of extra benefits having gone out to a player's family (and an associated boyfriend) in the form of free lodging around Oxford. I can’t muster the energy to care about this.
13. Former assistant Chris Kiffin let some player sleep on his couch without demanding $33 in payment.
We've got a real bombshell here.
It is alleged that in the summer of 2013, the former assistant coach provided an unnamed player with two nights' lodging at his residence.
There are a lot of questions. Did the player sleep in a bed? On a couch? On an air mattress? Was there a TV in the room? If so, how many inches was it? It's fascinating that the NCAA devoted hours to figuring out the per-night value of a stay in a coach's home.
Ole Miss agrees this happened.
14. A former staffer set up lodging and transportation for recruits.
This is the same staffer from item No. 1. The benefits were worth more than $2,000, and they make up one of the many Level I allegations. It’s against the rules, but it’s hard to get outraged about it.
15. Kiffin talked to two high school players in an office when he wasn't allowed.
Ole Miss agrees Kiffin spent 10 minutes speaking privately with two players about their recruitment at a high school in the spring of 2014.
Neither committed to Ole Miss, and Kiffin was banned from doing off-campus recruiting for 30 days, which sounds like a reward.
16. A current staffer had impermissible off-campus contact with a recruit.
Yawning.
17. Kiffin had Ole Miss give benefits to a man who wasn't a player's "real" father, but a "father figure."
NCAA rules permit schools to pay for things when recruits take one of their five "official" visits to a campus, and those benefits extend to legal guardians.
One recruit came to Ole Miss with a man whom Kiffin viewed as the player's father, but was not his biological father. Kiffin "failed to make the distinction clear," Ole Miss says, and so the man and his wife received meals and lodging.
The NCAA calls this a Level II violation, but Ole Miss wants it to be a lesser Level III and cites precedent to that effect.
18 and 19. The NCAA says Vaughn and Saunders, once they were already gone from Ole Miss, lied to investigators and weren't fully cooperative.
Two allegations are lumped into one.
Both Vaughn and Saunders deny they were involved in the fixing of ACT scores, and the NCAA claims it has evidence that illustrates they're not telling the truth. The NCAA also says Vaughn had inappropriate contact with enforcement investigators in 2013.
Ole Miss isn't taking any position, because both men were out of the program by the time the actions may or may not have occurred. This feels like an offshoot of the more serious allegations.
20. Freeze didn’t live up to his responsibilities as head coach.
You don’t say, NCAA?
21. A player went hunting on a booster’s private land while a recruit, then a few more times after he signed at Ole Miss.
Nature is to be enjoyed by all. Let everyone enjoy the Mississippi wilderness in peace.
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And how many of those 21 have also been "rumored" to have happened in Turdistan? And by rumored, I mean someone has pictures and/or copies of cancelled checks proving them...
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And how many of those 21 have also been "rumored" to have happened in Turdistan? And by rumored, I mean someone has pictures and/or copies of cancelled checks proving them...
Yahoo Sports 2013. The NCAA's response? :crickets:
Five Southeastern Conference football stars violated NCAA rules by receiving extra benefits prior to completing their collegiate careers, a Yahoo Sports investigation has found. The benefits – which in some cases came from multiple individuals – were conveyed to University of Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker, University of Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray, Tennessee defensive end Maurice Couch, Mississippi State University defensive tackle Fletcher Cox and Mississippi State wideout Chad Bumphis.
Fluker, Bray and Cox are all currently on NFL rosters. Bumphis was recently released by the Miami Dolphins. Couch is a senior starter for the Volunteers this season.
The identities of these players were revealed in a web of financial and text message records belonging to former Crimson Tide defensive end Luther Davis. The records were turned over to Yahoo Sports by a source with ties to the NFL agent community who alleged that Davis was acting as an intermediary between several high-profile college football stars and multiple NFL agents and financial advisers.
Davis declined to comment for this story. However, Yahoo Sports was able to authenticate text message records, Western Union fund transfers, banking statements, flight receipts and other financial material linking both Davis and the five college football players. Yahoo Sports also found that three NFL agents and three financial advisers engaged Davis in transactions totaling $45,550. The three agents were Andy Simms, Peter Schaffer and John Phillips. The financial advisers were Jason Jernigan, Mike Rowan and Hodge Brahmbhatt.
Simms, Schaffer, Phillips, Rowan and Brahmbhatt, through his attorney, each confirmed giving money to Davis – but each said they had no knowledge of, and did not instruct Davis to provide benefits to players. Jernigan declined comment. Another agent who was listed on a travel itinerary in Davis' records, Isaac Conner, said Davis was a point of contact to reach multiple SEC players but denied any knowledge of Davis' financial dealings.
A defensive end for the Crimson Tide from 2007-10, Davis acted as a "concierge" between budding NFL draft picks, agents and financial advisers following his college career, five sources told Yahoo Sports. Davis signed with the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2011, but has not been on an NFL roster since being released in training camp prior to that season.
All told, the records show agents and financial advisers moved at least $45,550 to Davis between September 2011 and December 2012. During that same timeframe, records also show at least $12,700 in cash, airfare, living expenses or other receipts moving from Davis to the five players. In addition to that amount, Yahoo Sports also obtained a line-item invoice of 49 transactions from February 2013 that Davis emailed to Fluker's onetime financial adviser Hodge Brahmbhatt. Within the email, Davis listed $33,755 in expenditures under the subject line "D.J. Fluker Invoice."
If proven by the NCAA, the transactions could violate Bylaw 12.3.1.2, which prohibits athletes from receiving benefits from agents or marketing representatives. Like the highly publicized NCAA case against the University of Southern California and Reggie Bush, a violation of that bylaw could retroactively nullify a portion of each player's eligibility, including Fluker, who was an All-American at offensive tackle during Alabama's 2012 national championship season. It could also raise additional issues for Tennessee and Mississippi State, which are both currently on probation until the summer of 2015 for previous rules violations in their respective football programs.
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Yahoo Sports 2013. The NCAA's response? :crickets:
Five Southeastern Conference football stars violated NCAA rules by receiving extra benefits prior to completing their collegiate careers, a Yahoo Sports investigation has found. The benefits – which in some cases came from multiple individuals – were conveyed to University of Alabama offensive tackle D.J. Fluker, University of Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray, Tennessee defensive end Maurice Couch, Mississippi State University defensive tackle Fletcher Cox and Mississippi State wideout Chad Bumphis.
Fluker, Bray and Cox are all currently on NFL rosters. Bumphis was recently released by the Miami Dolphins. Couch is a senior starter for the Volunteers this season.
The identities of these players were revealed in a web of financial and text message records belonging to former Crimson Tide defensive end Luther Davis. The records were turned over to Yahoo Sports by a source with ties to the NFL agent community who alleged that Davis was acting as an intermediary between several high-profile college football stars and multiple NFL agents and financial advisers.
Davis declined to comment for this story. However, Yahoo Sports was able to authenticate text message records, Western Union fund transfers, banking statements, flight receipts and other financial material linking both Davis and the five college football players. Yahoo Sports also found that three NFL agents and three financial advisers engaged Davis in transactions totaling $45,550. The three agents were Andy Simms, Peter Schaffer and John Phillips. The financial advisers were Jason Jernigan, Mike Rowan and Hodge Brahmbhatt.
Simms, Schaffer, Phillips, Rowan and Brahmbhatt, through his attorney, each confirmed giving money to Davis – but each said they had no knowledge of, and did not instruct Davis to provide benefits to players. Jernigan declined comment. Another agent who was listed on a travel itinerary in Davis' records, Isaac Conner, said Davis was a point of contact to reach multiple SEC players but denied any knowledge of Davis' financial dealings.
A defensive end for the Crimson Tide from 2007-10, Davis acted as a "concierge" between budding NFL draft picks, agents and financial advisers following his college career, five sources told Yahoo Sports. Davis signed with the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent in 2011, but has not been on an NFL roster since being released in training camp prior to that season.
All told, the records show agents and financial advisers moved at least $45,550 to Davis between September 2011 and December 2012. During that same timeframe, records also show at least $12,700 in cash, airfare, living expenses or other receipts moving from Davis to the five players. In addition to that amount, Yahoo Sports also obtained a line-item invoice of 49 transactions from February 2013 that Davis emailed to Fluker's onetime financial adviser Hodge Brahmbhatt. Within the email, Davis listed $33,755 in expenditures under the subject line "D.J. Fluker Invoice."
If proven by the NCAA, the transactions could violate Bylaw 12.3.1.2, which prohibits athletes from receiving benefits from agents or marketing representatives. Like the highly publicized NCAA case against the University of Southern California and Reggie Bush, a violation of that bylaw could retroactively nullify a portion of each player's eligibility, including Fluker, who was an All-American at offensive tackle during Alabama's 2012 national championship season. It could also raise additional issues for Tennessee and Mississippi State, which are both currently on probation until the summer of 2015 for previous rules violations in their respective football programs.
Dear Booster and or Coach,
Cease and Desist.
Signed,
Bama
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Erect a statue of Freeze in the Grove to mark the highest level these shitheads are capable of producing with unlimited funding.
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Erect a statue of Freeze in the Grove to mark the highest level these shitheads are capable of producing with unlimited funding.
I've seen several of them refer to "the Freeze era" as the best they've ever and will likely ever have.
He signed 11 five star recruits. Never won anything that mattered.
That's defeatist on a level I can't comprehend.
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I've seen several of them refer to "the Freeze era" as the best they've ever and will likely ever have.
He signed 11 five star recruits. Never won anything that mattered.
That's defeatist on a level I can't comprehend.
They're realistic about their place in the pecking order. I'll bet that makes football season a lot less stressful.
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They're realistic about their place in the pecking order. I'll bet that makes football season a lot less stressful.
You just wanted to say pecking, didn't you?
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You just wanted to say pecking, didn't you?
Who doesn't?
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Dear Booster and or Coach,
Cease and Desist.
Signed,
Bama
You forgot to back date it.
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This is the guy who brought Ole Miss crashing down to earth.
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Steve Robertson, author of the upcoming Ole Miss expose "Flim Flam"
That's really sad. Still sort of wish we had some lunatic willing to risk life and limb to document Alabama's transgressions and make sure they were exposed for what they are.
Say. Has anybody seen Prowler lately?
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I thought this all stemmed from Nutt lawsuit.
It will take someone from the inside to take Alabama down. Someone that uncovers everything. But that won't happen because Alabama has a big payroll and no one wants to upset the apple cart. It MAY happen after Saban leaves, but no one will want to try and bring down the god that Alabama fans worship while he is still in power.
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I thought this all stemmed from Nutt lawsuit.
It will take someone from the inside to take Alabama down. Someone that uncovers everything. But that won't happen because Alabama has a big payroll and no one wants to upset the apple cart. It MAY happen after Saban leaves, but no one will want to try and bring down the god that Alabama fans worship while he is still in power.
I'm quite sure there are plenty of peeps that Saban and Bama have stepped on and crushed on the way to the top. Problem is, when things are revealed like the Yahoo story above, the NCAA turns a deaf ear to it. I've said this before but one thing I'm 100% sure of is that Finebaum is well aware of what's going on at Bama under Saban. Because the day that story broke, I tuned into his show just to see what would happen. When the first caller mentioned it, PF's only reaction was that "This will be a non-story by this weekend." It was! He knows they're untouchable. Plus, who wants to wind up like Logan Young and fall up the stairs?
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I thought this all stemmed from Nutt lawsuit.
No the taking down of Freeze stemmed from Nutt's lawsuit. That had nothing to do with the NCCA allegations, outside of Ole Piss saying most of the allegations were under Nutt's leadership which was one of the reasons he was suing, which also wasn't the case.
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Wall Street Journal hooked Nutt's escort calls to recruiting trips.
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Wall Street Journal hooked Nutt's escort calls to recruiting trips.
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Nutt got hookers too?
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Nutt got hookers too?
Dammit. Those evangelical rebel akbars are interchangeable.
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Wall Street Journal hooked Nutt's escort calls to recruiting trips.
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Ole Miss about to be the SMU of the SEC
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Ole Miss about to be the SMU of the SEC
Nowhere near as defiant or egregious (that was bama with Albert means) but yes, they'll be the sacrificial lamb.
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Nowhere near as defiant or egregious (that was bama with Albert means) but yes, they'll be the sacrificial lamb.
They had the audacity to beat bama twice!
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https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/report-hugh-freeze-made-hundreds-calls-disassociated-ole-miss-booster
Tic toc
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https://www.seccountry.com/mississippi/report-hugh-freeze-made-hundreds-calls-disassociated-ole-miss-booster
Tic toc
You forgot your K's.