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Title: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: CCTAU on October 22, 2016, 09:18:23 PM
What is going on? Are we hitting our stride? Or is Arky just in that bad of shape?
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: djsimp on October 22, 2016, 09:50:39 PM
What is going on? Are we hitting our stride? Or is Arky just in that bad of shape?

Over 500 yards rushing aint bad. DAYUM!!!!
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 22, 2016, 10:15:16 PM
My first game this season obviously had an effect on our play.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: The Prowler on October 22, 2016, 10:24:44 PM
Now that's how you step on a opponent's throat. 542yds rushing, held the SEC leading rusher to 22 yds & held the SEC leading passer to 187yds...lol. I'm gonna say that it was a little bit of both, Arkansas came in a little worn out with a bye week in site and Auburn came in pretty fresh coming off their bye, while hitting their stride offensively and having a better understanding of their identity as well as better OLine play.

I noticed Center Xavier Dampeer getting some playing time in the 4th qtr...still getting shoved backwards against a completely worn out DLine, can't be having your Center getting shoved back a couple of yards or getting stalemated. The OLine, as it has been for the past three games, needs to stay put, barring injury.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: The Prowler on October 22, 2016, 10:25:48 PM
My first game this season obviously had an effect on our play.
You're going to the Old Miss, UGA, & bama games right? RIGHT?!?!?!?
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 23, 2016, 09:48:26 AM
Arkansas came to Auburn with a head of steam. They were convinced that they played well against Alabama and that a few stupid mistakes put the game away early. They beat Ole Miss in a thriller just last Saturday. They were the 17th ranked team in the country.

And we fucking clowned them.

I don't think we're THAT good. I'm sure Arkansas had some major issues.

But what is scary about Auburn right now is that our defense is one of the best in the country. I'm starting to think it could be the best in the country. Statistically, we're starting to creep towards the top in the nation in quite a few categories and that's with the difficult situations they were put in against Clemson and Texas A&M.

A Gus offense that's hitting its stride can score 20-30 points against anybody. It did in 2009, 2010, and 2014 against some very good Alabama defenses.

Shit. I honestly think we can win out.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Kaos on October 23, 2016, 10:33:30 AM
Cautiously optimistic. 

Kentucky had 554 yards on Mississippi State.  And beat the bulldogs. 

Two dominant wins in a row, though?  That's something we haven't seen in quite a while.

Bama though. 

The final score is misleading.  All the announcers talking about a "romp" and "domination."   I didn't necessarily see it.  I don't think A&M is that great.  More of a mirage than anything.  They stayed punch for punch until the last seconds of the third quarter.   Moved the ball.   And after the turds take a six point lead as the third is about to close?  Fumble, score.  Up by 13.  Next drive, score again.  All emotional momentum. 

Ole Miss, Arkansas and A&M proved you can move the ball on them.  The key is not to give them that stupid momentum-turning defensive score.  I don't think LSU can beat them, but it's not going to be a stomping.  As strange as it feels to say this, given where I was four weeks ago with this?  AU might be the only team with the components to have a legitimate shot against their cheating machine. 
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 23, 2016, 11:04:07 AM
Only reason - and it's a big reason - why I'm hesitant to be truly optimistic about the Iron Bowl is that we're very one dimensional. White played really well against Miss State, but against Clemson, A&M, LSU, and Arkansas, he looked really average.

No doubt Alabama can stuff our run game if they want to.

Makes me think that's why JFIII has been getting more reps. We're going to need another option if we have any shot at beating Bama.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: djsimp on October 23, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
Auburn just scored again.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 23, 2016, 12:28:25 PM
Most complete game we've played in a very long time. Sure, hogs helped. And they were way overrated but still, we looked sharp. Other than a few errant passes, which is just going to happen with the White boy, we were really, really good.

I'm realistic. It could go either way but I'm telling you, we are dangerous. I'm thinking we can run the table if we play the cards right. We gotta pass better and I'm not saying we will. But we can. I wouldn't have said this after week 3.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Jumbo on October 23, 2016, 02:20:13 PM
Auburn just scored again.
You damn right.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: AUChizad on October 23, 2016, 03:36:54 PM
I hope you're right about A&M being a "mirage".

If they are able to drop one more (LSU? Ole Miss maybe?) we control our destiny.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Saniflush on October 24, 2016, 08:29:26 AM
Arkansas is bad.  Not Hawaii of yesteryear bad but bad none the less.

Sean White more than doubled their rushing total.  SEAN WHITE.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 24, 2016, 08:33:41 AM
Arkansas is bad.  Not Hawaii of yesteryear bad but bad none the less.

Sean White more than doubled their rushing total.  SEAN WHITE.
Agreed. But that's no excuse for your absence mister.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: wesfau2 on October 24, 2016, 08:40:54 AM
Arkansas is bad.  Not Hawaii of yesteryear bad but bad none the less.

Sean White more than doubled their rushing total.  SEAN WHITE.

That boy good!

I rewatched the game yesterday and was shocked at how little the broadcast crew thought of Sean.  The theme of their narrative was: This Auburn team could be great...but they'll need Sean White to get it together.

His stats so far: 98/143 1264 yards 8.84 ypa 68.5% 7TD 2INT
His rating: 156.1
13 different players have caught balls.

The guy is one of the most efficient QBs in the country. 

The kid obviously isn't Uncle Rico and he isn't throwing the ball clear over them mountains, but he doesn't have to be.  We've seen plenty of 30 yard shots downfield that hit receivers in stride.  That's more than enough "deep threat" to keep a defense honest.

So, in short: fuck ESPN, they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Saniflush on October 24, 2016, 08:55:46 AM
That boy good!

I rewatched the game yesterday and was shocked at how little the broadcast crew thought of Sean.  The theme of their narrative was: This Auburn team could be great...but they'll need Sean White to get it together.

His stats so far: 98/143 1264 yards 8.84 ypa 68.5% 7TD 2INT
His rating: 156.1
13 different players have caught balls.

The guy is one of the most efficient QBs in the country. 

The kid obviously isn't Uncle Rico and he isn't throwing the ball clear over them mountains, but he doesn't have to be.  We've seen plenty of 30 yard shots downfield that hit receivers in stride.  That's more than enough "deep threat" to keep a defense honest.

So, in short: fuck ESPN, they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

Hey I'm with you.  Our White boy is good.  It was more a comment on their offense then on ours.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: wesfau2 on October 24, 2016, 08:59:30 AM
Hey I'm with you.  Our White boy is good.  It was more a comment on their offense then on ours.

Oh yeah.  I didn't think you were shit talking SW.  Just saw an opportunity to talk shit about ESPN.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Townhallsavoy on October 24, 2016, 10:34:28 AM
That boy good!

I rewatched the game yesterday and was shocked at how little the broadcast crew thought of Sean.  The theme of their narrative was: This Auburn team could be great...but they'll need Sean White to get it together.

His stats so far: 98/143 1264 yards 8.84 ypa 68.5% 7TD 2INT
His rating: 156.1
13 different players have caught balls.

The guy is one of the most efficient QBs in the country. 

The kid obviously isn't Uncle Rico and he isn't throwing the ball clear over them mountains, but he doesn't have to be.  We've seen plenty of 30 yard shots downfield that hit receivers in stride.  That's more than enough "deep threat" to keep a defense honest.

So, in short: fuck ESPN, they have no fucking clue what they're talking about.

His stats go from impressive to mediocre when accounting for the opponent.

Against Clemson, A&M, LSU, and Arkansas, his numbers drop to less than 60% completion percentage (A&M was 62%), less than 10 yards per pass (A&M as low as 4.7 ypa), 1 touchdown, and 2 interceptions. QB rating of ~120.

And while the Arkansas game was an absolute throttling, let's not forget that early in the game, White's first or second pass should have been a pick 6 for Arky and they dropped another interception late in the game.

He's got to be better if we want to continue to BTFO out of @Ole Miss and @Georgia (I think we win no matter what) and he's got to be better if we want to have a chance @Alabama.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: JDHog on October 24, 2016, 10:35:01 AM
I deleted this abomination from my DVR.  Tried to drink it out of my mind. 
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: wesfau2 on October 24, 2016, 10:49:59 AM
His stats go from impressive to mediocre when accounting for the opponent.

Against Clemson, A&M, LSU, and Arkansas, his numbers drop to less than 60% completion percentage (A&M was 62%), less than 10 yards per pass (A&M as low as 4.7 ypa), 1 touchdown, and 2 interceptions. QB rating of ~120.

And while the Arkansas game was an absolute throttling, let's not forget that early in the game, White's first or second pass should have been a pick 6 for Arky and they dropped another interception late in the game.

He's got to be better if we want to continue to BTFO out of @Ole Miss and @Georgia (I think we win no matter what) and he's got to be better if we want to have a chance @Alabama.

I'm taking Clemson and A&M off the board for any conversation about any aspect of this offense.  They simply were not given a chance to do anything productive in those games due to shittastic playcalling/substituting/etc.

Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: CCTAU on October 24, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
I'm taking Clemson and A&M off the board for any conversation about any aspect of this offense.  They simply were not given a chance to do anything productive in those games due to shittastic playcalling/substituting/etc.

True. I wasn't sure how any sane person could have added them into ANY evaluation of ANY AU QB!
Total abomination of play calling/substitution.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 24, 2016, 11:24:16 AM
What I heard from the local sports Radio this am: The Alabama representative (thank God) was Roger Shultz. Question posed was could anyone beat Alabama.

He thinks no one is going to Run on Alabama, so it's going to take an elite QB that can pass/run.

I think most of their fans probably feel the same way.

They very well may be right but I think that if anyone left on the schedule has a legit shot, it's AU. Of course, he would never say that.

If the White boy can threaten with a few deep ones and connect on the others, we have a puncher's shot. We aren't lining up in the I and trying to blow them off the line of scrimmage. It's physical running but it's misdirection.

They are the best team in the conference and I have no problem admitting that. At the same time, I feel like we are now the second best team and improving at a faster rate.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 24, 2016, 11:54:54 AM
Side note on Clifford Franklin XXVI

In watching the replay, I confirmed what I thought I saw Saturday night on one play, and is one of the biggest reasons I didn't want this guy as our starting QB.  He kept it around the left side on a read option.  Got about 5 yards before a D-lineman got him.  The guy grabbed Franklin and threw him to the ground like a rag doll.  You could see the back of his head hit the turf hard and the kid was a wobbly weeble getting up.  They took him out.

He's impressed me several times and his speed is as advertised.  Have no problem with him coming in as a change up.  But, I honestly believe he'd have long since been a casualty of war by now if he was the every down QB.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: djsimp on October 24, 2016, 12:08:16 PM
Side note on Clifford Franklin XXVI

In watching the replay, I confirmed what I thought I saw Saturday night on one play, and is one of the biggest reasons I didn't want this guy as our starting QB.  He kept it around the left side on a read option.  Got about 5 yards before a D-lineman got him.  The guy grabbed Franklin and threw him to the ground like a rag doll.  You could see the back of his head hit the turf hard and the kid was a wobbly weeble getting up.  They took him out.

He's impressed me several times and his speed is as advertised.  Have no problem with him coming in as a change up.  But, I honestly believe he'd have long since been a casualty of war by now if he was the every down QB.

I saw that too. He had checked for a few minutes.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: GH2001 on October 24, 2016, 12:28:30 PM
I saw that too. He had checked for a few minutes.

They showed him on the video board after it happened and it reminded me of what Greg McGingerdouche looked like when TSharvan did that to him.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: CCTAU on October 24, 2016, 12:31:11 PM
He's impressed me several times and his speed is as advertised.  Have no problem with him coming in as a change up.  But, I honestly believe he'd have long since been a casualty of war by now if he was the every down QB.

And then we would be right back where we were last season...SW trying to run JF3 plays!
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 24, 2016, 02:14:45 PM
They showed him on the video board after it happened and it reminded me of what Greg McGingerdouche looked like when TSharvan did that to him.
You saying he got snot-bubbled?
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: dallaswareagle on October 24, 2016, 02:18:58 PM
I'm taking Clemson and A&M off the board for any conversation about any aspect of this offense.  They simply were not given a chance to do anything productive in those games due to shittastic playcalling/substituting/etc.


Gus owe us back pay for those two games.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: The Six on October 24, 2016, 02:20:36 PM

Gus owe us back pay for those two games.

(https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/manti-teo-catfish-lennay-kekua-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-u-mad-gi.jpg?w=555&h=345)
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Lurking Tiger on October 24, 2016, 02:58:28 PM
Game summarized in a few seconds.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheFunnyVine/status/790550562290925568/video/1
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: GH2001 on October 24, 2016, 03:16:23 PM
(https://tribzap2it.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/manti-teo-catfish-lennay-kekua-ronaiah-tuiasosopo-u-mad-gi.jpg?w=555&h=345)

We need a womp womp womp emoticon for all of Dallas' responses.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Kaos on October 24, 2016, 03:52:17 PM
We need a womp womp womp emoticon for all of Dallas' responses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh3QqSVKtpA
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 24, 2016, 06:42:46 PM
What I had said was....

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/10/24/13379406/auburn-football-2016-gus-malzahn-shaun-white-kerryon-johnson
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: jmar on October 24, 2016, 07:46:39 PM
I see Chad Kelly keeping this next one at Vaught- Hemingway uncomfortably close for a while until we rough him up a bit. I base this mostly by our coverage against the two teams that beat us. Both have very good receivers and we gave those receivers a large cushion.
Ole Miss has very little run game but they  can throw it around. That said, we should still run a mudhole through them and shorten the game by running clock for an SEC road win.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 24, 2016, 07:54:55 PM
I see Chad Kelly keeping this next one at Vaught- Hemingway uncomfortably close for a while until we rough him up a bit. I base this mostly by our coverage against the two teams that beat us. Both have very good receivers and we gave those receivers a large cushion.
Ole Miss has very little run game but they  can throw it around. That said, we should still run a mudhole through them and shorten the game by running clock for an SEC road win.

I like the way you talk.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 24, 2016, 09:35:48 PM
The way our Tigers are playing right now, I have no doubt they'll be victorious this weekend. Ole Miss will make a stand early, but they'll fade faster than a pair of Snags jeans.

I've read that a few of their players got into a scuffle on the sideline Saturday night. If true, the wheels could be falling off their buggy and they may do like our 2012 squad and say "Screw you guys, we're going home."

Either way, I doubt Gus wants to embarrass his buddy Freeze too badly - unlike his nemisis Fat Bert. I predict a solid win, but something in the 10-14 point range.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Lurking Tiger on October 24, 2016, 09:59:58 PM
The way our Tigers are playing right now, I have no doubt they'll be victorious this weekend. Ole Miss will make a stand early, but they'll fade faster than a pair of Snags jeans.

I've read that a few of their players got into a scuffle on the sideline Saturday night. If true, the wheels could be falling off their buggy and they may do like our 2012 squad and say "Screw you guys, we're going home."

Either way, I doubt Gus wants to embarrass his buddy Freeze too badly - unlike his nemisis Fat Bert. I predict a solid win, but something in the 10-14 point range.

Gus is trying to get into the playoff. AU by 21. Hugh will understand. Or not. Fuck him and the klansmen.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 24, 2016, 11:24:57 PM
The way our Tigers are playing right now, I have no doubt they'll be victorious this weekend. Ole Miss will make a stand early, but they'll fade faster than a pair of Snags jeans.

I've read that a few of their players got into a scuffle on the sideline Saturday night. If true, the wheels could be falling off their buggy and they may do like our 2012 squad and say "Screw you guys, we're going home."

Either way, I doubt Gus wants to embarrass his buddy Freeze too badly - unlike his nemisis Fat Bert. I predict a solid win, but something in the 10-14 point range.

Damn you.  They're making a come back. I just know it.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: The Prowler on October 24, 2016, 11:43:47 PM
The way our Tigers are playing right now, I have no doubt they'll be victorious this weekend. Ole Miss will make a stand early, but they'll fade faster than a pair of Snags jeans.

I've read that a few of their players got into a scuffle on the sideline Saturday night. If true, the wheels could be falling off their buggy and they may do like our 2012 squad and say "Screw you guys, we're going home."

Either way, I doubt Gus wants to embarrass his buddy Freeze too badly - unlike his nemisis Fat Bert. I predict a solid win, but something in the 10-14 point range.
Yup, hit them in the mouth early, watch them point fingers and quit on each other.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: jmar on October 25, 2016, 02:53:37 AM
Unfortunately Gus and Freezie have this high school kinship so yeah we win, not to our liking maybe, just not like Harbaugh trying to tag 150 on Rutgers.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: CCTAU on October 25, 2016, 02:48:25 PM
Unfortunately Gus and Freezie have this high school kinship so yeah we win, not to our liking maybe, just not like Harbaugh trying to tag 150 on Rutgers.

To be fair, I don't think Gus tried to pile up points on Arky.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Snaggletiger on October 25, 2016, 02:51:37 PM
To be fair, I don't think Gus tried to pile up points on Arky.

This.^^ We got about 200 yards simply rushing the ball with our 2's and 3's from mid 3rd quarter on.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: AUJarhead on October 25, 2016, 04:13:36 PM
To be fair, I don't think Gus tried to pile up points on Arky.

Even saw a post on hogville saying that.  We began running pretty much the same play from the middle of the 3rd on.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Godfather on October 25, 2016, 04:21:13 PM
Even saw a post on hogville saying that.  We began running pretty much the same play from the middle of the 3rd on.
So you are saying Gus took over the play calling again? Oh noes
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: wesfau2 on October 26, 2016, 01:32:46 PM
Just saw that Arkansas owes Bert $15.5M if they fire him.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Buzz Killington on October 26, 2016, 01:42:01 PM
Just saw that Arkansas owes Bert $15.5M if they fire him.

JJ has been moonlighting on us?  That rat bastard.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 26, 2016, 02:07:20 PM
Just saw that Arkansas owes Bert $15.5M if they fire him.
Note to self: Scrap this auditing shit and get into coaching.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: WiregrassTiger on October 26, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
Note to self: Scrap this auditing shit and get into coaching.
That would really screw up your tax situation though PCT. You should think about this.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Kaos on October 26, 2016, 04:00:22 PM
Note to self: Scrap this auditing shit and get into coaching.

Yeah.  I feel like a fool.  I did it for a couple of years.  I didn't know a high school coach could climb that high.  I was starving then.  Might have stuck with it if I'd known. 

That in the books?  I don't think I had a football coaching mind.  I'd try to train myself to just watch what my guys were doing and how the people they were working against reacted.  But time and time again I'd end up watching the ball. 

Remember a playoff game the first year I coached.  I had DBs and WRs.  We'd just broken a long touchdown run on a play action.  Standard protocol was the QB to run a boot after the handoff to draw a safety.  So we score.  Did the high fiving, headbutted a helmet (I was Muschamp before Muschamp was cool), and got the PAT team out on the field.  Head coach turns to me and says "did their DBs turn their hips or stay in backpedal when Phil ran out the bootleg?"   No clue.  So I lied.  He didn't care about THAT score, he was already setting up what we'd do the next time.   I got that, but I never saw the field like some of the people I worked with did.  Wanted to, but just didn't.   

I was better at coaching QBs.  I understood the mechanics, saw the flow, knew the checkdowns and reads.  I don't now, but THAT I could see. 
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: The Prowler on October 26, 2016, 06:00:24 PM
What I heard from the local sports Radio this am: The Alabama representative (thank God) was Roger Shultz. Question posed was could anyone beat Alabama.

He thinks no one is going to Run on Alabama, so it's going to take an elite QB that can pass/run.

I think most of their fans probably feel the same way.

They very well may be right but I think that if anyone left on the schedule has a legit shot, it's AU. Of course, he would never say that.

If the White boy can threaten with a few deep ones and connect on the others, we have a puncher's shot. We aren't lining up in the I and trying to blow them off the line of scrimmage. It's physical running but it's misdirection.

They are the best team in the conference and I have no problem admitting that. At the same time, I feel like we are now the second best team and improving at a faster rate.
Has bama faced a solid running team, minus Arkansas?
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: bottomfeeder on October 26, 2016, 07:17:28 PM
Has bama faced a solid running team, minus Arkansas?

I don't think they have, I believe their next two games will tell us where they are weakest. Tenn was probably the closest they've seen to a solid run team.

I read this little tidbit.  Good read, not too long. The end is entertaining.

http://trackemtigers.com/oh-for-a-muse-of-fire/

WDE!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL4e5OGAsvnF6K6jmMaKhIVp1z2Mo4tDdWc9bs0/?fb_action_ids=1122250474495886
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: Pell City Tiger on October 26, 2016, 07:17:59 PM
That would really screw up your tax situation though PCT. You should think about this.
I was born to be a star.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: GH2001 on October 26, 2016, 07:23:17 PM
Has bama faced a solid running team, minus Arkansas?

and Arkansas racked up 30 points on the best defense of all time too.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: bgreene on October 27, 2016, 09:47:41 AM
Quote

I read this little tidbit.  Good read, not too long. The end is entertaining.

http://trackemtigers.com/oh-for-a-muse-of-fire/



Maybe it was the article or maybe it was the fact that I just listened to some Rage Against the Machine- Fist full of steel, one of the two or a combination of both have fired me up.
Title: Re: AU vs. Arky follow up
Post by: jmar on October 27, 2016, 03:28:34 PM
and Arkansas racked up 30 points on the best defense of all time too.
Bamer's claim they have broken every team before we play them.