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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Snaggletiger on August 17, 2016, 03:51:45 PM
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I know how much everyone loves the Wildcat (He said sarcastically). But, the fact is that it's a staple in Malzahn's offense. He loves him some Wildcat and he's going to run it whether anyone likes it or not. Me? I'm luke warm on it. My only problem with the way he runs it is he takes the threat of a pass out of the equation. 99 44/100th of the time, it's a skrate run. However, I can see the distinct possibility of that changing this year.
This is based on the assumption that someone other than Clifford Franklin XXXV wins the job. If Carry On is the starter at RB, certainly Malzahn wouldn't leave him in to run the WC. What would be the point? But, if he puts JFIII back there, well now you open up some real options. He's already supposed to be shitcherpants, squirrely-rabbit fast, so he's a natural to run that formation. But he's also a QB and can toss it around a little.
Remember how effective Cam was when he would take a direct snap, take that big step in toward the line, then pull back and hit a receiver? No way am I comparing CFXXXII to Cam. But being that he's a "Dual threat" QB, I can see how he would keep defenses honest by working in some throws.
Maybe even enough to make jmar give a :thumsup:
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I know how much everyone loves the Wildcat (He said sarcastically). But, the fact is that it's a staple in Malzahn's offense. He loves him some Wildcat and he's going to run it whether anyone likes it or not. Me? I'm luke warm on it. My only problem with the way he runs it is he takes the threat of a pass out of the equation. 99 44/100th of the time, it's a skrate run. However, I can see the distinct possibility of that changing this year.
This is based on the assumption that someone other than Clifford Franklin XXXV wins the job. If Carry On is the starter at RB, certainly Malzahn wouldn't leave him in to run the WC. What would be the point? But, if he puts JFIII back there, well now you open up some real options. He's already supposed to be shitcherpants, squirrely-rabbit fast, so he's a natural to run that formation. But he's also a QB and can toss it around a little.
Remember how effective Cam was when he would take a direct snap, take that big step in toward the line, then pull back and hit a receiver? No way am I comparing CFXXXII to Cam. But being that he's a "Dual threat" QB, I can see how he would keep defenses honest by working in some throws.
Maybe even enough to make jmar give a :thumsup:
A forward pass out of the Wildcat? What will they think of next?
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Here's how the Wildcat works.
https://youtu.be/_4jUq-qJwDg
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Here's how the Wildcat works.
https://youtu.be/_4jUq-qJwDg
I thought we were talking about the ball going forward in the air to another person from that formation?
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I thought we were talking about the ball going forward in the air to another person from that formation?
Damn it, man. This is Gus we're talking about. No passing in the Wildcat.
I have to say if you watch it again and pay attention to 71, Braden Smith, that gave me pause for chub.
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The forward pass is just a fad anyway. The veer is where it's at.
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The forward pass is just a fad anyway. The veer is where it's at.
Just like novocaine...give it time, it'll work.
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Here's how the Wildcat works.
https://youtu.be/_4jUq-qJwDg
I liked the downfield blocking by Ricardo "Stonehands" Louis...lol
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I think running the WC with a guy like JF3 makes more sense than what we've done in the past. If he can tune the option adding in the short pass off it, then it can be effective.
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Just call me Carnac the Magnificent because I'm going to tell you how it's going to work.
Sean will put together a good series and just as he is starting to get into a rhythm he will be pulled for JF3 who will then try a run and will lose 5 yards, they will bring Sean back in and we will miss on 2nd and 3rd down and punt the ball thus ending the decent series. Rinse & repeat.
I got $100 if anyone wants to make a bet?
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Just call me Carnac the Magnificent because I'm going to tell you how it's going to work.
Sean will put together a good series and just as he is starting to get into a rhythm he will be pulled for JF3 who will then try a run and will lose 5 yards, they will bring Sean back in and we will miss on 2nd and 3rd down and punt the ball thus ending the decent series. Rinse & repeat.
I got $100 if anyone wants to make a bet?
Specifics GF. Are you saying this will be an every drive scenario or are you talking percentages?
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Just call me Carnac the Magnificent because I'm going to tell you how it's going to work.
Sean will put together a good series and just as he is starting to get into a rhythm he will be pulled for JF3 who will then try a run and will lose 5 yards, they will bring Sean back in and we will miss on 2nd and 3rd down and punt the ball thus ending the decent series. Rinse & repeat.
I got $100 if anyone wants to make a bet?
That's a sucker bet...no way.
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Carnac: Inka Dinka Dew
Ed: Inka Dinka Dew
Carnac: What do you get on your Inka Dinka if you leave it out all night?
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Agree with Carnac.
It's almost a given that Kerryon gets most of the glory in the redzone after Sean gets us there, (strike up the band) but if JFFXIX starts coming in on a regular basis I would be shocked if White doesn't transfer.
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Specifics GF. Are you saying this will be an every drive scenario or are you talking percentages?
percentage...IMO it will fail more than succeed
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IMO Wildcat only works when there is a fear of a deep throw.
So if JF3 is good enough to trust to throw why not start him? Then it is no longer a wildcat it is a dual threat QB. Marshall, Cam.....never understood why we even had a wildcat package when Cam played and used it. Made no sense to me. You play wildcat every down when you have a dual threat QB.
By bringing in JF3 in a package play you tell the defense ok we are going to play the wildcat. So they have a LB spy, you are already tipping your hand to a degree IMO. Yes I understand having a LB spy essentially takes him out of a coverage spot but by percentages I would guess that more often than not the defense wins. Whereas you have a dual-threat and you pull that LB to spy EVERY play the opposite would be true and the Offense would win. I have no evidence or stats to back this theory up other than watching Auburn run it.
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percentage...IMO it will fail more than succeed
Figured that. Just fn with ya cause I was about ready to take that bet.
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IMO Wildcat only works when there is a fear of a deep throw.
So if JF3 is good enough to trust to throw why not start him? Then it is no longer a wildcat it is a dual threat QB. Marshall, Cam.....never understood why we even had a wildcat package when Cam played and used it. Made no sense to me. You play wildcat every down when you have a dual threat QB.
By bringing in JF3 in a package play you tell the defense ok we are going to play the wildcat. So they have a LB spy, you are already tipping your hand to a degree IMO. Yes I understand having a LB spy essentially takes him out of a coverage spot but by percentages I would guess that more often than not the defense wins. Whereas you have a dual-threat and you pull that LB to spy EVERY play the opposite would be true and the Offense would win. I have no evidence or stats to back this theory up other than watching Auburn run it.
I got it more with Cam simply because of his body type and running style, especially in short yardage situations. Get that extra blocker in front of him let him find a small crease and he could simply fall forward for 3-4 yards. But the thing with Cam was what I said above. They constantly lined him up in WC and he'd take that first long step toward the line and then back up and let it fly. This is one that came to mind. Check it out at the 12 second mark.
https://youtu.be/JUmBv76Z4_4
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Wasn't it Kadrill that used to come in some and run the wildcat for Cam?
Now that was some superb use of the wildcat there. That coaching decision would always really catch the opposition, fans, announcers, ball boys, band, etc. off guard. Genius!
But, they eventually stopped doing that, at least very much, I think toward the end of the season.
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Wasn't it Kadrill that used to come in some and run the wildcat for Cam?
Now that was some superb use of the wildcat there. That coaching decision would always really catch the opposition, fans, announcers, ball boys, band, etc. off guard. Genius!
But, they eventually stopped doing that, at least very much, I think toward the end of the season.
Normally just after the defense actually made a great stop and we had the ball inside our own 20. That ALWAYS caught them off guard.
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Normally just after the defense actually made a great stop and we had the ball inside our own 20. That ALWAYS caught them off guard.
I know, right! That helped make it that much more unexpected. Cam had steered us 80 yards or so and then, we have a 2nd or 3rd and manageable, so they send in Kadrill!
You just can't plan to defend that.
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Normally just after the defense actually made a great stop and we had the ball inside our own 20. That ALWAYS caught them off guard.
There's no pleasing you people. Everyone keeps talking about how predictable Malzahn's offense is. What better way to keep them guessing than taking out the best QB in Auburn history and putting in the worst QB in Auburn history to run the Wildcat for a 6 yard loss inside your own 20?
What do you want?
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There's no pleasing you people. Everyone keeps talking about how predictable Malzahn's offense is. What better way to keep them guessing than taking out the best QB in Auburn history and putting in the worst QB in Auburn history to run the Wildcat for a 6 yard loss inside your own 20?
What do you want?
A 7 yard loss!
I mean if you're gonna do it, lets burn this bitch down and start over!
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Wasn't it Kadrill that used to come in some and run the wildcat for Cam?
Now that was some superb use of the wildcat there. That coaching decision would always really catch the opposition, fans, announcers, ball boys, band, etc. off guard. Genius!
But, they eventually stopped doing that, at least very much, I think toward the end of the season.
This is what I meant.
Snaggle, did they really run the wildcat with Cam at the helm? Wasn't that just our offense? That is my point.
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This is what I meant.
Snaggle, did they really run the wildcat with Cam at the helm? Wasn't that just our offense? That is my point.
The only point you've got is on your head.
Made that one up just now. I kill me.
But srsly, that's pretty much troof. A good bit of what he did was just him creating from the WC formation.
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All your predictions are going to wrong when JJ steps out as the starter
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All your predictions are going to wrong when JJ steps out as the starter
This is the Mildcat thread. Please take your lame and clearly erroneous prediction to the Prediction thread. Besides, Jay Jacobs used up his eligibility as a lineman about 30 years ago,
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This is the Mildcat thread. Please take your lame and clearly erroneous prediction to the Prediction thread. Besides, Jay Jacobs used up his eligibility as a lineman about 30 years ago,
Did he suck at that to?
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Did he suck at that to?
It was early 80's. I think he was a walk on originally but wound up starting for the 83' team that should have won the MNC. Biggest screw job in the history of college foosballz.
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It was early 80's. I think he was a walk on originally but wound up starting for the 83' team that should have won the MNC. Biggest screw job in the history of college foosballz.
No, getting stuck with this was:
(http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/auburnfootball_impact/photo/jay-jacobs-bcs-2014jpg-2516201612401b7f.jpg)
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No, getting stuck with this was:
(http://imgick.al.com/home/bama-media/width620/img/auburnfootball_impact/photo/jay-jacobs-bcs-2014jpg-2516201612401b7f.jpg)
I thought Jay Jacobs was our AD, not an old, ugly lesbian.
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I thought Jay Jacobs was our AD, not an old, ugly lesbian.
Excuse me sir! There are no such thing anymore only gender selective people and those that fall in the same group as Wiregrass.
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Cam had that big step forward to draw attention but then he was a "dual threat" QB which Clemson QB Deshaun Watson considers a derogatory term.
Yup!
Bringing a non-QB (incl. WR's, ball boys, hot dog vendors, goat riding monkeys etc.) in the game at an opportune time is intended to tire defenses and create mismatches thereby sending the opposition in a panic. But as it has been said, where is the passing threat?
We ranked fifth among conference teams in the number of plays run by offense per game and we know this to be a matter of importance to Gushlee *TM.
PLUS:
Our starter would have to be an android, almost absent of ego to withstand such shoddy treatment of having to deal with one Wildcat substitution in the open field and another in the redzone.
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Can't wait to see the goat riding monkey come in for those 2nd and 8 situations.
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Can't wait to see the goat riding monkey come in for those 2nd and 8 situations.
Can it be one of those wizard of oz flying monkeys? Those things would scare the opposition and create an entirely new dynamic. There is no rule that says running backs have to stay on the ground. The monkey could just fly over the defense and score on every play. I'd support that.
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Can't wait to see the goat riding monkey come in for those 2nd and 8 situations.
Is there a new play that lets us get 2 yards on first down?
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Is there a new play that lets us get 2 yards on first down?
If we don't run up the middle for no gain, I'm going to be confused.
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If we don't run up the middle for no gain, I'm going to be confused.
Shit, you let our first series game plan out. :bus: :no: