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Title: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: CCTAU on June 11, 2016, 03:40:50 PM
But he sucks!

http://www.youngcons.com/donald-trump-welcomes-bernie-supporters-some-respond-by-jumping-aboard-the-trump-train/


Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 11, 2016, 06:06:52 PM
But he sucks!

http://www.youngcons.com/donald-trump-welcomes-bernie-supporters-some-respond-by-jumping-aboard-the-trump-train/

Stop your lying!! 

Your man is straw!! 

I bet you obfuscate in your bed at night when you are alone.

Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Snaggletiger on June 11, 2016, 07:09:18 PM
Stop your lying!! 

Your man is straw!! 

I bet you obfuscate in your bed at night when you are alone.

I haven't obfuscated in months, but I'm definitely going to masticate in just a few minutes.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 11, 2016, 11:44:58 PM
I haven't obfuscated in months, but I'm definitely going to masticate in just a few minutes.

I've had to cut back on mastication.  Doc's orders. 

other than some general lethargy, which likely because my body thinks it's being deprived when I eat six ounes of salmon and a salad instead of a 12 oz ribeye, baked potato, glass of wine, appetizer and half a dessert, I feel pretty good. 

Even sick, something I've been twice since January and maybe once in the previous ten years, I feel better than I thought I would. 

But I do miss the two fisted masticating I used to by capable of. 
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: WiregrassTiger on June 12, 2016, 12:43:21 AM
I've had to cut back on mastication.  Doc's orders. 

other than some general lethargy, which likely because my body thinks it's being deprived when I eat six ounes of salmon and a salad instead of a 12 oz ribeye, baked potato, glass of wine, appetizer and half a dessert, I feel pretty good. 

Even sick, something I've been twice since January and maybe once in the previous ten years, I feel better than I thought I would. 

But I do miss the two fisted masticating I used to by capable of.
You write a lot of outlandish things and I seldom say a word. But do you really expect us to believe that you used to be able to get two fists up your butt?
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 12, 2016, 09:05:56 AM
I did see a few exit polls from wv and somewhere else where 30-40% of Bernie voters said they would vote for trump over Hillary in the general. That was a little eye popping.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Ogre on June 12, 2016, 09:52:02 AM
But he sucks!

http://www.youngcons.com/donald-trump-welcomes-bernie-supporters-some-respond-by-jumping-aboard-the-trump-train/

Well it's not like he doesn't present a perfect option for them.  Socialists can either vote for the establishment democrat or the rebel life-long democrat with an R behind his name. 

If Trump wooed them away from socialism with a riveting policy speech where he discussed the virtues of capitalism, that's one thing.  In this case it's simply #NeverHillary for them. 
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Token on June 12, 2016, 11:01:00 AM
Well it's not like he doesn't present a perfect option for them.  Socialists can either vote for the establishment democrat or the rebel life-long democrat with an R behind his name. 

If Trump wooed them away from socialism with a riveting policy speech where he discussed the virtues of capitalism, that's one thing.  In this case it's simply #NeverHillary for them.

#nevertrump is totally fine and acceptable. Matter of fact, there might be something wrong with you unless you feel the same way.

#neverhillary is a terrible thing for Bernie supporters to do. They aren't smart or being led to Trump for a good cause, they are just being unreasonable.

Got it.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: bottomfeeder on June 12, 2016, 03:32:26 PM
http://youtu.be/LqofXgLAI04
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: WiregrassTiger on June 12, 2016, 04:08:37 PM
http://youtu.be/LqofXgLAI04
I like the idea of having a president with 4 hands.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Ogre on June 13, 2016, 08:54:00 AM
#nevertrump is totally fine and acceptable. Matter of fact, there might be something wrong with you unless you feel the same way.

#neverhillary is a terrible thing for Bernie supporters to do. They aren't smart or being led to Trump for a good cause, they are just being unreasonable.

Got it.

Way to put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard, as it were).  I never said that #NeverHillary is a terrible thing for Bernie supporters to do.  I actually said he presents a perfect option for them. 

Do you honestly believe he showed a bunch of socialists the error of their belief in a failed economic system?  If so, please point me to that speech.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: AUChizad on June 13, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Way to put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard, as it were).  I never said that #NeverHillary is a terrible thing for Bernie supporters to do.  I actually said he presents a perfect option for them. 

Do you honestly believe he showed a bunch of socialists the error of their belief in a failed economic system?  If so, please point me to that speech.
I don't understand what's not to understand about this.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Token on June 13, 2016, 11:07:36 AM
Way to put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard, as it were).  I never said that #NeverHillary is a terrible thing for Bernie supporters to do.  I actually said he presents a perfect option for them. 

Do you honestly believe he showed a bunch of socialists the error of their belief in a failed economic system?  If so, please point me to that speech.

Do you honestly believe they could be led away with a riveting policy speech about the virtues of capitalism? Maybe you aren't upset about it, but it sure seemed that way with the condescending way in which you worded how stupid they were for blindly voting for Trump.

I'm simply saying the people who are losing their minds about #neverhillary are mostly people who are in the #nevertrump party.  It's quite humorous.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 13, 2016, 11:16:18 AM
I don't understand what's not to understand about this.

SERprise, SERprise.....

Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Ogre on June 13, 2016, 11:30:46 AM
Do you honestly believe they could be led away with a riveting policy speech about the virtues of capitalism? Maybe you aren't upset about it, but it sure seemed that way with the condescending way in which you worded how stupid they were for blindly voting for Trump.

I'm simply saying the people who are losing their minds about #neverhillary are mostly people who are in the #nevertrump party.  It's quite humorous.

I'm not upset in the least and I haven't seen anyone lose their minds over it.  I think it's hilarious.  Are you sure you're not projecting your anger at Chizad toward me? 

However, since it apparently makes perfect sense to some of you that the BernieBros are flipping to Trump, please explain it to me.  Other than the fact that he's not Hillary, where do they align more closely with Trump over her?  Serious question. 

Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: AUChizad on June 13, 2016, 11:32:11 AM
I'm simply saying the people who are losing their minds about #neverhillary are mostly people who are in the #nevertrump party.  It's quite humorous.
Who are these people.

He's saying that Bernie supporters can easily convert to Trump supporters because their views are similar. Trump is a liberal in just about every measurable way. More than Hillary in a lot of ways.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Token on June 13, 2016, 11:46:20 AM
I'm not upset in the least and I haven't seen anyone lose their minds over it.  I think it's hilarious.  Are you sure you're not projecting your anger at Chizad toward me? 

However, since it apparently makes perfect sense to some of you that the BernieBros are flipping to Trump, please explain it to me.  Other than the fact that he's not Hillary, where do they align more closely with Trump over her?  Serious question.

They are only flipping because he's not Hillary. That's the point. It's stupid, its ridiculous and it's what it wrong with American politics. 

I'm not angry at all. I'm not chastising people for voting for Hillary. I'm not calling people idiots for throwing their vote away on the libertarian party who can't win in our current system. There has been a lot of that in mainstream media, in social media and here. 
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 13, 2016, 11:58:10 AM
Who are these people.

He's saying that Bernie supporters can easily convert to Trump supporters because their views are similar. Trump is a liberal in just about every measurable way. More than Hillary in a lot of ways.

Will NEVER get it.

It's not about political ideology. It's not about position papers, platforms, left, right of ANY of that.

It's about her.  The most loathesome person on the planet.  It's about what she PERSONALLY represents.  The lies. The disdain. The naked ambition.  The greedy thirst for power. Her complete inability to welld the power she's had so far effectively. 

Maybe democrats for Bernie were really just democrats AGAINST her.

Maybe the "anybody but Hillary" contingent is bigger than you think.  It's where I've been for a long time.  If I'd been democratic I'd have voted for him. And I'm no socialist.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 13, 2016, 01:38:03 PM
They are only flipping because he's not Hillary. That's the point. It's stupid, its ridiculous and it's what it wrong with American politics. 

I'm not angry at all. I'm not chastising people for voting for Hillary. I'm not calling people idiots for throwing their vote away on the libertarian party who can't win in our current system. There has been a lot of that in mainstream media, in social media and here.

I think it's because of everything Bernie and his people claim to be against. The establishment, big money lobbyists, corruption, DC insiders, special interests, crony capitalism, life long politicians who screw the people at every turn.  If you'll notice they both rail against the same things and villains. They just have very different solutions for it. That's why. Both are anti establishment. Hillary is looked at as the equal to gw bush and McCain for many people but just with a D by her name.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 13, 2016, 01:39:31 PM
Will NEVER get it.

It's not about political ideology. It's not about position papers, platforms, left, right of ANY of that.

It's about her.  The most loathesome person on the planet.  It's about what she PERSONALLY represents.  The lies. The disdain. The naked ambition.  The greedy thirst for power. Her complete inability to welld the power she's had so far effectively. 

Maybe democrats for Bernie were really just democrats AGAINST her.

Maybe the "anybody but Hillary" contingent is bigger than you think.  It's where I've been for a long time.  If I'd been democratic I'd have voted for him. And I'm no socialist.

I do think he's honest and means well. I don't think he is corrupt. He's a well meaning socialist. But at the end of he day he's still a socialist and very dangerous. She is a malicious and corrupt bitch.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: wesfau2 on June 13, 2016, 02:16:50 PM
Will NEVER get it.

The lies. The disdain. The naked ambition.  The greedy thirst for power. Her complete inability to welld the power she's had so far effectively. 


So, basically she's just like Trump.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 13, 2016, 02:54:36 PM
So, basically she's just like Trump.

No. Nothing at all like Trump.

You will never get it either.  Too bad really.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: wesfau2 on June 13, 2016, 03:23:57 PM
No. Nothing at all like Trump.

You will never get it either.  Too bad really.

Based on the criteria you listed they are the same.

Too bad you don't get it.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 13, 2016, 03:36:38 PM
Based on the criteria you listed they are the same.

Too bad you don't get it.

Private sector vs public sector. And before you discredit that, it's a huge difference. Because the latter puts you over the electorate in some fashion. No one has to be under trumps power that doesn't wanna be, meaning employed in the trump organization. Hillary was my state dept secretary whether I liked it or not. And she put many people and her country in danger because of those things.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: wesfau2 on June 13, 2016, 03:40:45 PM
Private sector vs public sector. And before you discredit that, it's a huge difference. Because the latter puts you over the electorate in some fashion. No one has to be under trumps power that doesn't wanna be, meaning employed in the trump organization. Hillary was my state dept secretary whether I liked it or not. And she put many people and her country in danger because of those things.

I don't think the "sector" you work in relieves you of the requirement to not be a liar...

Or not express disdain for other people (even those you will eventually rely upon to achieve your naked ambition)...

Or break laws and default on debts to achieve the power that you want...

Or shield you from the total ineptitude of your performance.

So...they're the same.

(I glossed over your "no on has to work for him" qualifier because we will get into a tangential set of arguments about unions and immigration).
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 13, 2016, 03:47:42 PM
I don't think the "sector" you work in relieves you of the requirement to not be a liar...

Or not express disdain for other people (even those you will eventually rely upon to achieve your naked ambition)...

Or break laws and default on debts to achieve the power that you want...

Or shield you from the total ineptitude of your performance.

So...they're the same.

(I glossed over your "no on has to work for him" qualifier because we will get into a tangential set of arguments about unions and immigration).

Her actions and responses to Benghazi and those families is above all else when listing out negatives for all of the candidates running. That was despicable. Her actions in her position cost lives and likely cost us national security.

For all of trumps personal flaws, they are below these two things that are attached to Hillary Clinton. Yes I wince when he says things. Yes he is out of line sometimes. And yes I don't agree with all of his business dealings. But we're talking lives. And security. That is above all else. And she was awful at them when she had her chance.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: wesfau2 on June 13, 2016, 03:49:18 PM
Her actions and responses to Benghazi and those families is above all else when listing out negatives for all of the candidates running. That was despicable. Her actions in her position cost lives and likely cost us national security.

For all of trumps personal flaws, they are below these two things that are attached to Hillary Clinton. Yes I wince when he says things. Yes he is out of line sometimes. And yes I don't agree with all of his business dealings. But we're talking lives. And security. That is above all else. And she was awful at them when she had her chance.

OK.   That's fine if it's the genesis of your anti-HC/pro-Trump stance, but don't act like Kaos has painted a picture of two distinct personalities.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 13, 2016, 03:56:37 PM
OK.   That's fine if it's the genesis of your anti-HC/pro-Trump stance, but don't act like Kaos has painted a picture of two distinct personalities.

I'm not pro trump. Not at all. I'm more agitated that half this country would vote for Hillary or that your party would put her up there (when there were better people running), more so than any like I have or will have for trump. I didn't vote for trump. I've made it clear who I wanted from the start. I thought there were better candidates on the GOP side. That had solid track records of conviction (Walker, Cruz , Paul etc)...more so than trump. But he's an anti establishment candidate. And nothing has changed with the GOP every election. They all promise this and that with no action to back it up. And people are sick of it. I get that. So it is what it is. I did all I could when there was a choice.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: wesfau2 on June 13, 2016, 04:01:41 PM
I'm not pro trump. Not at all. I'm more agitated that half this country would vote for Hillary or that your party would put her up there (when there were better people running), more so than any like I have or will have for trump. I didn't vote for trump. I've made it clear who I wanted from the start. I thought there were better candidates on the GOP side. That had solid track records of conviction (Walker, Cruz , Paul etc)...more so than trump. But he's an anti establishment candidate. And nothing has changed with the GOP every election. They all promise this and that with no action to back it up. And people are sick of it. I get that. So it is what it is. I did all I could when there was a choice.

Mea culpa...You're not pro-Trump.

The rest of my post stands.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: GH2001 on June 13, 2016, 04:09:56 PM
Mea culpa...You're not pro-Trump.

The rest of my post stands.

I actually do not think K is pro trump either. He's prob more anti Hillary than I. And I think that's the crux of much of this. I fought against trump until there was no fight left. It's pretty documented on here. But that doesn't mean I won't try to call it like I see it.

Yes I think he says some dumb things sometimes. But I will defend him if I see a legit argument there for him. Doesn't mean I like him personally or will vote for him.

Sorry dude but I just do not like the woman. At. All.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: wesfau2 on June 13, 2016, 05:50:24 PM
I actually do not think K is pro trump either. He's prob more anti Hillary than I. And I think that's the crux of much of this. I fought against trump until there was no fight left. It's pretty documented on here. But that doesn't mean I won't try to call it like I see it.

Yes I think he says some dumb things sometimes. But I will defend him if I see a legit argument there for him. Doesn't mean I like him personally or will vote for him.

Sorry dude but I just do not like the woman. At. All.

Yeah, you distilled the reason here:

Her actions and responses to Benghazi and those families is above all else

I'm just saying that Kaos's list above applies just as well to DT as it does to HC.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 13, 2016, 07:58:04 PM
I actually do not think K is pro trump either. He's prob more anti Hillary than I. And I think that's the crux of much of this. I fought against trump until there was no fight left. It's pretty documented on here. But that doesn't mean I won't try to call it like I see it.

Yes I think he says some dumb things sometimes. But I will defend him if I see a legit argument there for him. Doesn't mean I like him personally or will vote for him.

Sorry dude but I just do not like the woman. At. All.

I wasn't pro Trump.  I just saw the writing on the wall long before many of you did.  I knew it was coming.  So I figured out how to reconcile myself with it and be ok. 

I hate Hillary.  More than any of you can imagine.  She is the worst semi human being alive.  Having that shrewish crone as president will do irreversible damage to this country.  We won't recover in my lifetime.  We might never recover.  And I worry about my kids. There won't be a country when she's done. Obama is emperor commodus.  She will be Nero. 
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: WiregrassTiger on June 13, 2016, 10:53:59 PM
I wasn't pro Trump.  I just saw the writing on the wall long before many of you did.  I knew it was coming.  So I figured out how to reconcile myself with it and be ok. 

I hate Hillary.  More than any of you can imagine.  She is the worst semi human being alive.  Having that shrewish crone as president will do irreversible damage to this country.  We won't recover in my lifetime.  We might never recover.  And I worry about my kids. There won't be a country when she's done. Obama is emperor commodus.  She will be Nero.
I thought Obama was a Nero.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Kaos on June 13, 2016, 10:57:26 PM
OK.   That's fine if it's the genesis of your anti-HC/pro-Trump stance, but don't act like Kaos has painted a picture of two distinct personalities.

They are.  The fact that you can't see it concerns me greatly. 
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Saniflush on June 14, 2016, 01:03:42 PM
I like the idea of having a president with 4 hands.


Said no Bill Clinton intern ever.
Title: Re: Trump is drawing all sorts of voters.
Post by: Buzz Killington on June 14, 2016, 02:43:07 PM
I thought Obama was a Nero.

No, she said he's near.