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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Kaos on May 10, 2016, 06:06:21 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2016/05/10/arkansas-coach-bret-bielema-has-bold-idea-thatd-shake-up-nfl-draft.html
And he steals my ideas.
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Have never understood why it wasn't like basketball where you could see where you went before you lost your eligibility?
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Have never understood why it wasn't like basketball where you could see where you went before you lost your eligibility?
Logic. Ur doin it rite.
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Have never understood why it wasn't like basketball where you could see where you went before you lost your eligibility?
Has anyone ever just flat out asked, "why not??"
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Has anyone ever just flat out asked, "why not??"
It makes too much sense. First, as Fat Bert alluded to, take the cases out of the equation where returning for another year is not an option, as in academic or family issues. So you have a group of underclassmen who feel like they're good enough to play on Sundays and make bank. If you allow them to be evaluated and they see they're not all that in the eyes of NFL scouts right now, why not let them return?
They're most likely not going to make it like they thought they were but in addition, the NFL doesn't really want them so why does declaring have to mean all or nothing? Avery Young did something similar last year, knowing he was coming back. He didn't declare but he got input from scouts on the things he needed to work on to make it in the show.
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I would imagine the biggest reasons for "why not" has to do with agents. It would be hard for a guy to declare for the draft, wait for 3 or 4 months, and not sign with an agent who wants to "help" him get drafted higher.
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It makes too much sense. First, as Fat Bert alluded to, take the cases out of the equation where returning for another year is not an option, as in academic or family issues. So you have a group of underclassmen who feel like they're good enough to play on Sundays and make bank. If you allow them to be evaluated and they see they're not all that in the eyes of NFL scouts right now, why not let them return?
They're most likely not going to make it like they thought they were but in addition, the NFL doesn't really want them so why does declaring have to mean all or nothing? Avery Young did something similar last year, knowing he was coming back. He didn't declare but he got input from scouts on the things he needed to work on to make it in the show.
Like you said, they can already do this.
I don't think it is a good idea to let them go and come back. Either you go pro, or you don't. There is no coming back from that. Every jr. in NCAA would declare for the draft if there were no consequences. How do you handle the combine? How do you handle pro days?
It is a shady pandora's box you are opening.
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Like you said, they can already do this.
I don't think it is a good idea to let them go and come back. Either you go pro, or you don't. There is no coming back from that. Every jr. in NCAA would declare for the draft if there were no consequences. How do you handle the combine? How do you handle pro days?
It is a shady pandora's box you are opening.
It could be but maybe not as bad as you think. Got a question because it's something I've always wondered about. There's wall to wall coverage of these kids from the time they declare until draft day, showing everything they go through to prepare. Virtually every player is training at some elite facility and/or has hired a trainer for their specific position. They're living out of State for weeks. They've got room and board, meals etc. No doubt the cost is in the thousands.
Are the agents footing that bill in the hope it will help their client's chances in the draft? Most players, outside of former Bama players, couldn't afford it.
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It could be but maybe not as bad as you think. Got a question because it's something I've always wondered about. There's wall to wall coverage of these kids from the time they declare until draft day, showing everything they go through to prepare. Virtually every player is training at some elite facility and/or has hired a trainer for their specific position. They're living out of State for weeks. They've got room and board, meals etc. No doubt the cost is in the thousands.
Are the agents footing that bill in the hope it will help their client's chances in the draft? Most players, outside of former Bama players, couldn't afford it.
The only thing that makes this question less dumb than the one posed at the Auburn Club, to Gus, is that it couldn't get us on probation.
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The only thing that makes this question less dumb than the one posed at the Auburn Club, to Gus, is that it couldn't get us on probation.
The only thing more dumber than you is....like...your face, or something. So, you just shut up.
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Ehh...his dick could get stuck in a lawnmower and I wouldn't much care. People in Wisconsin grew tired of his shtick and people in Arkansas will too when they go 7-5 again this year.
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Like you said, they can already do this.
I don't think it is a good idea to let them go and come back. Either you go pro, or you don't. There is no coming back from that. Every jr. in NCAA would declare for the draft if there were no consequences. How do you handle the combine? How do you handle pro days?
It is a shady pandora's box you are opening.
This, plus how do you as a college coach prepare for such things? What if you have an incoming player that is better? What if you anticipate the guy not getting drafted and he does?
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This, plus how do you as a college coach prepare for such things? What if you have an incoming player that is better? What if you anticipate the guy not getting drafted and he does.
Put a time limit on it. Don't let the evaluation process go until or anywhere near draft day. Set up Pro Day type camps where the NFL scouts can see these players perform early on. Give them their evaluations and set a deadline to either follow through with it or decide to return.
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Ehh...his dick could get stuck in a lawnmower and I wouldn't much care. People in Wisconsin grew tired of his shtick and people in Arkansas will too when they go 7-5 again this year.
You think they'll do that well this year?
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You think they'll do that well this year?
Gonna' be rough. They've got 3 in La. Tech, Texas State and Alcorn. But, the other OOC game is TCU and the 2 East games are Florida and at Mizzou. The rest be the West.
Tough ho to blow. Wait...tough row to hoe.
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Put a time limit on it. Don't let the evaluation process go until or anywhere near draft day. Set up Pro Day type camps where the NFL scouts can see these players perform early on. Give them their evaluations and set a deadline to either follow through with it or decide to return.
Agree. I think it can be done and worked out.
I think it would help a lot of guys out in the long run letting them come back. Better career chance %, prob end up actually getting a degree, Etc
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Put a time limit on it. Don't let the evaluation process go until or anywhere near draft day. Set up Pro Day type camps where the NFL scouts can see these players perform early on. Give them their evaluations and set a deadline to either follow through with it or decide to return.
They already get these done. That's what gives them the evaluation to know to come out. The only thing they aren't doing is pro day or combines.
Plus, you can't just take 3 months off winter workouts to go try and see what you can do in the pros and then come back. You are either part of the team or you aren't.
Bert is a fucking dumb ass and is butt hurt because his stupid fucking players didn't get what they wanted. And now he wants them back because he thinks it will make his team better. He could give two shits about them losing millions.
Fuck that. You declare, you are out.
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They already get these done. That's what gives them the evaluation to know to come out. The only thing they aren't doing is pro day or combines.
Plus, you can't just take 3 months off winter workouts to go try and see what you can do in the pros and then come back. You are either part of the team or you aren't.
Bert is a fucking dumb ass and is butt hurt because his stupid fucking players didn't get what they wanted. And now he wants them back because he thinks it will make his team better. He could give two shits about them losing millions.
Fuck that. You declare, you are out.
Agreed on Bert. But why is it allowed in basketball and not football? They may be getting "evaluations" but I am talking about opportunities to work out for the scouts, not just a grading of film. You don't have to drag it out. Once the time passes to declare, you've got one month (or whatever time they set) to make it to Camp A, B, C or D. Or all of the above. Once their done and grades are in, you make the final declaration.
As far as being part of the team....please nurra'. Every one of them have aspirations and dreams of making it to the show. That's what this is all about for so many of them. That's the sole reason may of them choose a particular college. And that's what college is about anyway. Preparing for and optimizing your opportunities for the future.
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They already get these done. That's what gives them the evaluation to know to come out. The only thing they aren't doing is pro day or combines.
Plus, you can't just take 3 months off winter workouts to go try and see what you can do in the pros and then come back. You are either part of the team or you aren't.
Bert is a fucking dumb ass and is butt hurt because his stupid fucking players didn't get what they wanted. And now he wants them back because he thinks it will make his team better. He could give two shits about them losing millions.
Fuck that. You declare, you are out.
So why basketball and not football?
I can see your points but is it not hypocritical having them be total opposites?
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Tough ho to blow. Wait...tough row to hoe.
:thumsup:
Let's take a closer look at the Hogs' run in 2016:
Louisiana Tech - WIN Hogs fans will be swolen as Bert's gut with pride. (1-0)
@ TCU - LOSS Pride will f with them and so with Gary Patterson. They get whipped here. (1-1)
Texas State - WIN. Snooze of a game unless Smash Williams goes off for the Bobcats. (2-1)
@ Texas A&M - LOSS. Could be a toss up though. aTm may be a tire fire waiting to ignite. Hard to call. Give home team advantage. (2-2)
Alcorn State - WIN. Justice department files injunction against Arkansas for a hate crime. (3-2)
Alabama - LOSS. 'Bama won't be "all that" this year but they aren't going to job to these schmoes. (3-3)
Ole Miss - LOSS. Bucky Holy Beaver finds a way to get by again. (3-4)
@ Auburn - LOSS. Calling it now. Media will all pick Arkansas and Auburn will make that look stupid. Bert doesn't shake hands afterwards either. (3-5)
OFF - The entire bye week of Arkansas sports radio will be discussion of Bert's buyout and who is on the short list. Jon Gruden will be top choice, of course.
Florida - LOSS. Jim McElwain is a pud in training but he's doing it well in Swampville. Too hard of a road game. (3-6)
LSU - LOSS. Revenge of the Hat. Les ain't going down easy, folks. The heat is at sub-atomic levels under Bert's seat now. (3-7)
@ Mississippi State - LOSS. This is the one where the reactor will go full nuclear and meltdown will occur. He's fired by Monday with the opportunity to coach the last game. (3-8)
@ Missouri - WIN. The only team worse than Mizzou in the East is Vandy but not by much. (4-8)
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Y'all are making this too hard.
Forget declaring and not declaring.
Every redshirt sophomore, junior and senior is eligible. All of them.
Move the draft back to the first week in February.
Player gets drafted he can take the deal or choose to come back and hope to increase his stock.
Won't work? Ask MLB. Seems fine there.
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:thumsup:
Let's take a closer look at the Hogs' run in 2016:
Louisiana Tech - WIN Hogs fans will be swolen as Bert's gut with pride. (1-0)
@ TCU - LOSS Pride will f with them and so with Gary Patterson. They get whipped here. (1-1)
Texas State - WIN. Snooze of a game unless Smash Williams goes off for the Bobcats. (2-1)
@ Texas A&M - LOSS. Could be a toss up though. aTm may be a tire fire waiting to ignite. Hard to call. Give home team advantage. (2-2)
Alcorn State - WIN. Justice department files injunction against Arkansas for a hate crime. (3-2)
Alabama - LOSS. 'Bama won't be "all that" this year but they aren't going to job to these schmoes. (3-3)
Ole Miss - LOSS. Bucky Holy Beaver finds a way to get by again. (3-4)
@ Auburn - LOSS. Calling it now. Media will all pick Arkansas and Auburn will make that look stupid. Bert doesn't shake hands afterwards either. (3-5)
OFF - The entire bye week of Arkansas sports radio will be discussion of Bert's buyout and who is on the short list. Jon Gruden will be top choice, of course.
Florida - LOSS. Jim McElwain is a pud in training but he's doing it well in Swampville. Too hard of a road game. (3-6)
LSU - LOSS. Revenge of the Hat. Les ain't going down easy, folks. The heat is at sub-atomic levels under Bert's seat now. (3-7)
@ Mississippi State - LOSS. This is the one where the reactor will go full nuclear and meltdown will occur. He's fired by Monday with the opportunity to coach the last game. (3-8)
@ Missouri - WIN. The only team worse than Mizzou in the East is Vandy but not by much. (4-8)[
You must be bucking for a spot on the opening page feller.
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Move the draft back to the first week in February.
That will never happen. Too close to Superbowl and the NFL knows how to make their league a focus for 12 months a year. There is no way the NFL would do this in order to "improve" the process for rookies.
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Y'all are making this too hard.
Forget declaring and not declaring.
Every redshirt sophomore, junior and senior is eligible. All of them.
Move the draft back to the first week in February.
Player gets drafted he can take the deal or choose to come back and hope to increase his stock.
Won't work? Ask MLB. Seems fine there.
Pffffft. It'll never work. Take your perfectly logical plan and get out of here.
To modify my own post after seeing what WE!!! wrote, "it'll never work". K's plan would be great but the NFL is not going to give up those months of combine coverage, Pro Days, documentaries on guys preparing for the draft and 483 straight hours of Mel Kiper's hair.
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:thumsup:
Let's take a closer look at the Hogs' run in 2016:
Louisiana Tech - WIN Hogs fans will be swolen as Bert's gut with pride. (1-0)
@ TCU - LOSS Pride will f with them and so with Gary Patterson. They get whipped here. (1-1)
Texas State - WIN. Snooze of a game unless Smash Williams goes off for the Bobcats. (2-1)
@ Texas A&M - LOSS. Could be a toss up though. aTm may be a tire fire waiting to ignite. Hard to call. Give home team advantage. (2-2)
Alcorn State - WIN. Justice department files injunction against Arkansas for a hate crime. (3-2)
Alabama - LOSS. 'Bama won't be "all that" this year but they aren't going to job to these schmoes. (3-3)
Ole Miss - LOSS. Bucky Holy Beaver finds a way to get by again. (3-4)
@ Auburn - LOSS. Calling it now. Media will all pick Arkansas and Auburn will make that look stupid. Bert doesn't shake hands afterwards either. (3-5)
OFF - The entire bye week of Arkansas sports radio will be discussion of Bert's buyout and who is on the short list. Jon Gruden will be top choice, of course.
Florida - LOSS. Jim McElwain is a pud in training but he's doing it well in Swampville. Too hard of a road game. (3-6)
LSU - LOSS. Revenge of the Hat. Les ain't going down easy, folks. The heat is at sub-atomic levels under Bert's seat now. (3-7)
@ Mississippi State - LOSS. This is the one where the reactor will go full nuclear and meltdown will occur. He's fired by Monday with the opportunity to coach the last game. (3-8)
@ Missouri - WIN. The only team worse than Mizzou in the East is Vandy but not by much. (4-8)
4-8? Don't have a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the hogs win at least five if you are interested.
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4-8? Don't have a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the hogs win at least five if you are interested.
Clearly you didn't see the tongue in cheek way I did all that. It's May. No one knows jack squat about anything related to these teams yet. I was bored for a few minutes and didn't feel like posting about race, politics, bathrooms, gun control, or Caddyshack references. If you really want to know (and you would be in the minority), ask me in August.
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didn't feel like posting about race, politics, bathrooms, gun control, or Caddyshack references.
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Doesn't understand the format
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4-8? Don't have a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the hogs win at least five if you are interested.
The hungry fish bites.
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4-8? Don't have a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the hogs win at least five if you are interested.
See five wins too, counting the bye week as a moral victory.
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4-8? Don't have a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the hogs win at least five if you are interested.
Isn't the QB for you guys the brother of the starter the last couple of years? How does he compare with big bro?
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4-8? Don't have a lot of money, but I'd be willing to bet a small amount that the hogs win at least five if you are interested.
Lonely all the way out there on that limb?
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Doesn't understand the format
i reject your reality and substitute my own.