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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: Jumbo on November 23, 2015, 12:28:24 PM
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Joe Shadd is reporting Les Miles is gonna be fired today.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14204487/good-possibility-lsu-tigers-buyout-les-miles-contract-source?ex_cid=sportscenterTW
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LSU - you have a coach with seven 10-win seasons, 2 SEC Championships, and a BCS Championship. And your plan is to fire this man? Good luck.
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The only way I would make this move is if Jimbo Fisher has already agreed to become the coach.
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I would love for Miles to be our next coach.
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"In Louisiana, we expect national championships, and we're not in it"
Yeah. Expect something that's happened 2.4% of the time. I did the math.
Les is one of the good guys. I wasn't on his wagon initially, but over the years and as I learned more due to my ......... being an LSU fan, I've come to really admire the guy. He's the kind of man I'd want coaching my kids.
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He has a moron as an Offensive Coordinator that is his first problem.
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If LSU fires Les, this will officially make corndogs smarter than the PTB.
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I can't wait.
Les is one of (I think) three coaches to have a .750 winning percentage with 100+ games coached. He's also a solid recruiter and players love to play for him.
So please, LSU. Fire the guy. Bring in a Jerry Stovall, a Curly Hallman, a Mike Archer, or a Gerry Dinardo.
LSU fans are deluded. They think if they had a slightly better coach, they would be just as dominant as Alabama. I on the other hand feel that they are about to make life a lot easier for Auburn.
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I can't wait.
Les is one of (I think) three coaches to have a .750 winning percentage with 100+ games coached. He's also a solid recruiter and players love to play for him.
So please, LSU. Fire the guy. Bring in a Jerry Stovall, a Curly Hallman, a Mike Archer, or a Gerry Dinardo.
LSU fans are deluded. They think if they had a slightly better coach, they would be just as dominant as Alabama. I on the other hand feel that they are about to make life a lot easier for Auburn.
If I were USCe I would be calling saying how much you want coach?
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LSU coach Les Miles addressed three questions at his weekly Monday press conference about his job status and said he's "going to go to work." Asked if he met with administrators or athletic department officials about his job, he responded: "The information I have is 'Do your job as you would do it.' If someone is asking me if I'm coaching for my job, I feel like I've been doing that for 11 years." Said he's not considering retirement. Emphasized this week is about his players and won't address his future until after the regular season and that he's not paying attention to media reports.
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Joe Shadd is reporting
Silly me I missed this part of Jumbo's link.
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You use part of the astronomical buyout money and go hire a new OC. If/when you have a Come-To-Jesus with Les, you tell him if you want to stay here, then get out the way and let the new guy run the offense. You recruit, run the show, make the goofy decisions to go for it on 4th sixteen times a game. But get someone new in and give em' the keys to the offense.
On another note, in the "Les is Richt" department, I saw the video this weekend of the documentary on the Birmingham kid who died of cancer they played 2-3 weekends back. Someone may have posted it on here, but if they did I didn't watch because I had heard that you won't make it through w/o reaching for a Kleenex. Well, it was shown in our Sunday School class yesterday. If you didn't see it, young kid about 15 was a huge LSU fan. Got bone cancer and his health quickly deteriorated. Miles found out and got him down to Baton Rouge for the Auburn game then stayed in touch with him until the end. And no...there was not one dry eye in the room when that thing was over.
I've always liked Miles. Thought he'd be a great coach to play for. This documentary shed a whole new light on the man for me. Again, if it was posted already, I'll go ahead and take my X come-uppance. But I won't be watching that again.
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a Curly Hallman, a Mike Archer, or a Gerry Dinardo.
I remember these guys first hand.
But LSU fans apparently forget easily.
Like K said, I think Les is one of the good guys. I like him. Boneheaded, sure. But great dude, and he knows how to do enough right to have kept them elite for almost a decade straight. Good luck with this one LSU! I for one am happy to see it. Guy has had us by the balls.
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Stole this from elsewhere:
From 1960 until 1999, LSU had three 10 win seasons.
From 2000 until 2004 (the illustrious Saban years), LSU had two 10 win seasons.
From 2005 until 2014, LSU has had seven 10 win seasons.
I am so freaking excited to see those assholes get taken a down a notch with some shit hire.
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Stole this from elsewhere:
From 1960 until 1999, LSU had three 10 win seasons.
From 2000 until 2004 (the illustrious Saban years), LSU had two 10 win seasons.
From 2005 until 2014, LSU has had seven 10 win seasons.
I am so freaking excited to see those assholes get taken a down a notch with some shit hire.
See, that's what I recall. I've been around a while and I never remember LSU being relevant in any shape or form until Saban got there. They would occasionally be competitive but never a player on the national scene with any consistency.
Very similar to Florida. Amarite or Amarong in misremembering that they didn't even have an SEC championship until Spurrier arrived?
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Joe Shadd is reporting Les Miles is gonna be fired today.
http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14204487/good-possibility-lsu-tigers-buyout-les-miles-contract-source?ex_cid=sportscenterTW
Imagine that, Joe Shadd is wrong again.
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Source: "Joe Schadd and Thayer Evans have quite possibly sucked cock on more than one occasion. Possibly, each other's cock."
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See, that's what I recall. I've been around a while and I never remember LSU being relevant in any shape or form until Saban got there. They would occasionally be competitive but never a player on the national scene with any consistency.
Very similar to Florida. Amarite or Amarong in misremembering that they didn't even have an SEC championship until Spurrier arrived?
You are very right sir.
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I think the biggest problem with Miles is that it's like he's coaching in a daze. When you watch his post-game conferences, it's like listening to a guy in a fog. Team has been playing the same way. One of the biggest issues everyone has with Miles is that the offensive problems have been apparent for years and he seems unwilling to change his philosophy. The Alabama game was a showcase of that when they kept running Fournette up the gut until about 5 minutes left in the game, which is where he got most of his yardage. It's like they have a plan, and if that doesn't work, well then I guess the game is just a loss. Really weird.
The parallels can be drawn between Miles and Tuberville. Except in Tuberville's case, he was actually ahead of the curve trying to implement the spread. He was ahead of everyone. It's just 2008 was a really weird season and he picked the wrong coordinator who in turn went after the wrong personnel. Alabama's 2008 recruiting class was a monster, and nobody expected them to do as well as they did. I think Tuberville was caught off guard in that aspect in recruiting as well. But that was a time where Alabama and Auburn were signing half of their classes from Alabama. Now, each team is only pulling 5-7 guys from Alabama each year. Auburn had a knee-jerk reaction and got rid of a guy that would have had Auburn stable by 2010 IMO.
Les on the other hand doesn't understand that the days of 3 yards and a cloud of dust are pretty much over. Yeah, you can still do it to an extent, but you have to mix a lot of other stuff in there as well. Years ago, Alabama, Auburn or LSU could pretty much tell a defense "Hey, we're running in this gap. Fuck you." and it worked. There is more parity in the SEC west now, and you just can't do that anymore. He has refused to modernize whereas even someone as much of an asshole as Saban has realized he had to change the way he does things.
TL;DR: Les has been successfull overall, but hasn't done shit since 2011 and things are getting worse. He is too stubborn to change his ways, so there seems to be no hope on improvement.
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It's just 2008 was a really weird season and he picked the wrong coordinator who in turn went after the wrong personnel.
Tubs biggest issue wasn't that he went after Franklin, it's that he kept all the offensive staff in place. Franklin didn't hire anyone to come in and coach with him. I think it would have been just as much a disaster if he brought in Gus in 2008.
So the whole "went after the wrong personnel" isn't quite right. More like "didn't go after any staff."
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Tubs biggest issue wasn't that he went after Franklin, it's that he kept all the offensive staff in place. Franklin didn't hire anyone to come in and coach with him. I think it would have been just as much a disaster if he brought in Gus in 2008.
So the whole "went after the wrong personnel" isn't quite right. More like "didn't go after any staff."
But the EOTTC meetings wouldn't have been as much fun.
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But the EOTTC meetings wouldn't have been as much fun.
Dont you have a ticket you should be scalping?
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Tubs biggest issue wasn't that he went after Franklin, it's that he kept all the offensive staff in place. Franklin didn't hire anyone to come in and coach with him. I think it would have been just as much a disaster if he brought in Gus in 2008.
So the whole "went after the wrong personnel" isn't quite right. More like "didn't go after any staff."
Ok, so let's rehash THIS argument again.
Show me in the history of college football where a head coach hires a coordinator and the coordinator brings in "his staff" to go along with him.
It doesn't happen.
The Franklin hire was the right thing to do, but just the wrong guy to do it.
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Tubs biggest issue wasn't that he went after Franklin, it's that he kept all the offensive staff in place. Franklin didn't hire anyone to come in and coach with him. I think it would have been just as much a disaster if he brought in Gus in 2008.
So the whole "went after the wrong personnel" isn't quite right. More like "didn't go after any staff."
I don't understand why you have to change your whole offensive staff just for a new OC. I mean yeah every few years you will have some turnover with position coaches, but that's normal. I don't think that making wholesale personnel changes to occompany a new OC is the norm. If your position coaches are worth a shit in the first place (which maybe AU's weren't, I don't really know) it shouldn't matter. It might have been a disaster with Gus, but it probably would have been less likely. Gus is a very good coordinator. When you're transitioning from Tuberville style of offense to Gus', it is going to take a few years to re-tool. That's a pretty drastic change that requires a different set of personnel to some extent.
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I don't understand why you have to change your whole offensive staff just for a new OC. I mean yeah every few years you will have some turnover with position coaches, but that's normal. I don't think that making wholesale personnel changes to occompany a new OC is the norm. If your position coaches are worth a shoot in the first place (which maybe AU's weren't, I don't really know) it shouldn't matter. It might have been a disaster with Gus, but it probably would have been less likely. Gus is a very good coordinator. When you're transitioning from Tuberville style of offense to Gus', it is going to take a few years to re-tool. That's a pretty drastic change that requires a different set of personnel to some extent.
In theory I agree. However, you can't take an OL coarch that has leaned heavily on run blocking and ask him to go all Meercat pass block happy overnight. This is exactly what happened with Hugh Nall in that case.
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In theory I agree. However, you can't take an OL coarch that has leaned heavily on run blocking and ask him to go all Meercat pass block happy overnight. This is exactly what happened with Hugh Nall in that case.
This is troof.
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Ok, so let's rehash THIS argument again.
Show me in the history of college football where a head coach hires a coordinator and the coordinator brings in "his staff" to go along with him.
It doesn't happen.
The Franklin hire was the right thing to do, but just the wrong guy to do it.
You do usually get to bring in one guy with you. A la Muschamp with T-Rob, Gus brought in Lashlee (as a Graduate Coach or whatever). But IMO that wasn't the problem it failed.
I don't know that Franklin was necessarily the wrong guy for the offense, but he didn't fit in with the offensive staff. They didn't believe in what he was doing and so it failed.
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You do usually get to bring in one guy with you. A la Muschamp with T-Rob, Gus brought in Lashlee (as a Graduate Coach or whatever). But IMO that wasn't the problem it failed.
I don't know that Franklin was necessarily the wrong guy for the offense, but he didn't fit in with the offensive staff. They didn't believe in what he was doing and so it failed.
Plus, Franklin was a devout Muslim.
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Ok, so let's rehash THIS argument again.
Show me in the history of college football where a head coach hires a coordinator and the coordinator brings in "his staff" to go along with him.
It doesn't happen.
The Franklin hire was the right thing to do, but just the wrong guy to do it.
Its not that he needed to bring in his current staff with him....its that he was forced to take the existing staff that Tubs had and coexist with it, even though it was oil and water. An OC doesnt have to bring his existing staff with him, but he does need to have a say in who works for him at the new place. He never had that option.
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Its not that he needed to bring in his current staff with him....its that he was forced to take the existing staff that Tubs had and coexist with it, even though it was oil and water. An OC doesnt have to bring his existing staff with him, but he does need to have a say in who works for him at the new place. He never had that option.
That may be on Tuberville in the sense that, if true, he should have told his people to shut the fuck up and this is the way it's going to be. Look at Kiffin at Alabama. Who thought that would have turned out as well as it has? How much more oil and water does it get? But he knows what he's doing and gets the job done. When you work with people, you know who the doers and who the idiots are. For the most part, Tuberville had solid coaches on his staff. Maybe they didn't get along because after he got there, they found out Franklin was a moron. I don't know. Just hard to imagine that with new coaches rotating in and out over the years everything worked out OK, but Franklin come in and is a good OC and all of a sudden it's oil and water. I just think that it's more of an indication that a bunch of people that know what they're doing realized this guy wasn't what the expectation was. We will probably never know for sure.
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In theory I agree. However, you can't take an OL coarch that has leaned heavily on run blocking and ask him to go all Meercat pass block happy overnight. This is exactly what happened with Hugh Nall in that case.
Again, this is where having worth a shit position coaches and re-tooling comes into play. If your position coach is good, he can teach whatever. It's just a matter of phasing in younger players that are more balanced. As much as you may call Gus' offense pass happy, it relies heavily on the run as well. Of course right now it's almost completely dependent on the run because of AU's current QB situation.
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That may be on Tuberville in the sense that, if true, he should have told his people to shut the fuck up and this is the way it's going to be. Look at Kiffin at Alabama. Who thought that would have turned out as well as it has? How much more oil and water does it get? But he knows what he's doing and gets the job done. When you work with people, you know who the doers and who the idiots are. For the most part, Tuberville had solid coaches on his staff. Maybe they didn't get along because after he got there, they found out Franklin was a moron. I don't know. Just hard to imagine that with new coaches rotating in and out over the years everything worked out OK, but Franklin come in and is a good OC and all of a sudden it's oil and water. I just think that it's more of an indication that a bunch of people that know what they're doing realized this guy wasn't what the expectation was. We will probably never know for sure.
Franklin was forced to mesh with a bunch of offensive coaches that were a total 180 of his style, and resented him. HUGE difference. And I think most of that was due to Tubs loyalty, mainly to Nall.
Franklin has done fine everywhere else.
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Franklin was forced to mesh with a bunch of offensive coaches that were a total 180 of his style, and resented him. HUGE difference. And I think most of that was due to Tubs loyalty, mainly to Nall.
Franklin has done fine everywhere else.
He was no Scot Loeffler
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He was no Scot Loeffler
Well, noooooo! I mean, lets not get crazy.
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The most economical way to improve your situation is to catch lightning in a bottle. This way you get to keep Les while not paying an astronomical buyout. The entire program suffers far less upheaval with the staff, the current players and the incoming recruiting class to just pay a ringer a quarter mill to lead you to the promised land. Get two signal callers while your at it. All Les has to do then is to stay out of the majority of the playcalling so the OC looks like a genius.
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He was no Scot Loeffler
You mean Tom's BFF?
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You mean Tom's BFF?
Kurt Busch's twin.
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I hope they're morons. I hope they spend $25 million dollars and hire Paul Rhoads.
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And this couldn't go in the other two threads because...?
I hope they're morons. I hope they spend $25 million dollars and hire Paul Rhoads.
Chizik! He's due now. Ready for the big time again.
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And this couldn't go in the other two threads because...?
I hope they're morons. I hope they spend $25 million dollars and hire Paul Rhoads.
And there's the rub. There's no denying that Miles has slipped and he doesn't have the same magic that he used to have. But who are you going to go get? Who is that rock star coach out there that can handle the pressure of "Hey, you're hired and you need to win a championship right now." while playing in the SEC West?
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Chizik! He's due now. Ready for the big time again.
This^^^ The timing is right.
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This^^^ The timing is right.
LSU hasn't got time to go at this conventionally. They want a MNC NOW!
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And there's the rub. There's no denying that Miles has slipped and he doesn't have the same magic that he used to have. But who are you going to go get? Who is that rock star coach out there that can handle the pressure of "Hey, you're hired and you need to win a championship right now." while playing in the SEC West?
Rhett Lashlee.
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Rhett Lashlee.
They'd have to pay Muschamp level money.
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Franklin was forced to mesh with a bunch of offensive coaches that were a total 180 of his style, and resented him. HUGE difference. And I think most of that was due to Tubs loyalty, mainly to Nall.
Franklin has done fine everywhere else.
^^^This.The BBQ boys weren't going to change to this new fangled spread crap. Tub's to his credit had the foresight of recognizing what he was up against in Saban.
The problem was that he recognized right away this wasn't going to be a seamless transition and then there was the PTB to consider as well. LSS this was going to take too long and the risk didn't outweigh the reward at that time.
And now of course we see Tub's and Gran with an offense implemented with Cincinnati area talent which is coached up well but lacking somewhat in the skill positions relative to that of what would make them dynamic.
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The most economical way to improve your situation is to catch lightning in a bottle. This way you get to keep Les while not paying an astronomical buyout. The entire program suffers far less upheaval with the staff, the current players and the incoming recruiting class to just pay a ringer a quarter mill to lead you to the promised land. Get two signal callers while your at it. All Les has to do then is to stay out of the majority of the playcalling so the OC looks like a genius.
No this shouldn't go into the other "thread" because it is a statement in and of itself with a title to indicate such. It isn't written to broadbrush a subject or as lengthy as a volume of the fucking Encyclopedia Britannica. I can picture the pouting with a balloon caption "Oh the indignation!"
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According to LSU AD Joe Alleva "Les Miles is our football coach & he will continue to be our football coach"
Les stays.............good for him, he's one of the good guys.
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According to LSU AD Joe Alleva "Les Miles is our football coach & he will continue to be our football coach"
Les stays.............good for him, he's one of the good guys.
Agreed. I'm glad public opinion trumped big money fuckholes.
Jay Jacobs is next... Gotta go, Jay.
BTW, FUCK YOU, Joe Schad. Fuck you until you die of goat aids and penis breath. Why the fuck is ESPN interviewing this dumb dick motherfuck wad of shit about "what can you tell me about the situation?"
Why can't he just say "I don't know a fucking thing" instead of running his mouth about "very good sources." Fuckhead. I can't stand looking at him.
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Agreed. I'm glad public opinion trumped big money fuckholes.
Jay Jacobs is next... Gotta go, Jay.
BTW, FUCK YOU, Joe Schad. Fuck you until you die of goat aids and penis breath. Why the fuck is ESPN interviewing this dumb dick motherfuck wad of shit about "what can you tell me about the situation?"
Why can't he just say "I don't know a fucking thing" instead of running his mouth about "very good sources." Fuckhead. I can't stand looking at him.
All of the above