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The Library => The SGA => Topic started by: Token on January 16, 2015, 03:17:50 PM
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/3990854215001/cops-body-cam-captures-moments-before-he-was-fatally-shot/?#sp=show-clips (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3990854215001/cops-body-cam-captures-moments-before-he-was-fatally-shot/?#sp=show-clips)
Understand, as a law enforcement agency, reports of domestic violence MUST be investigated. This officer is talking to the suspect when shit goes bad. A lot of people, LOT of people, are quick to say the police are too militaristic. Too demanding, not patient enough. Not understanding, not capable of being calm to diffuse a hostile situation.
So I ask, non LEO, what would you do different in this situation?
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http://video.foxnews.com/v/3990854215001/cops-body-cam-captures-moments-before-he-was-fatally-shot/?#sp=show-clips (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3990854215001/cops-body-cam-captures-moments-before-he-was-fatally-shot/?#sp=show-clips)
Understand, as a law enforcement agency, reports of domestic violence MUST be investigated. This officer is talking to the suspect when shit goes bad. A lot of people, LOT of people, are quick to say the police are too militaristic. Too demanding, not patient enough. Not understanding, not capable of being calm to diffuse a hostile situation.
So I ask, non LEO, what would you do different in this situation?
That is one of those tough situations where there is not much time to do anything. Maybe you realize it then charge him to wrap him up, but of the time when the fucker has the drop on you like that there just isn't gonna be a good outcome for the good guys.
Dude was calm the whole time and didn't look like a threat.
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He might have made sure the guy kept his hands out of his pockets from the very start. Other than that, I see nothing he could have done short of questioning the guy with gun drawn the whole time.
See, this is what pisses me off so bad about the Ferguson protests and other crap. You can take an isolated incident like that and turn it into an explosion of racial tension, when their should be none. But cops put their lives on the line every single day and this stuff has long since become commonplace. Where's the marching for this 24 year old guy who lost his life just for doing his job?
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That is one of those tough situations where there is not much time to do anything. Maybe you realize it then charge him to wrap him up, but of the time when the fucker has the drop on you like that there just isn't gonna be a good outcome for the good guys.
Dude was calm the whole time and didn't look like a threat.
You are correct, this was going to end bad no matter what. If cop orders his hands out of his pockets as soon as he makes contact, then has to shoot..... WHY ARE THE MILITARY POLICE KILLING PEOPLE WITHOUT A WARRANT!!!!!
I am pro-LEO because I am LEO. But I wish more people understood that sometimes you can't be laid back, Mr. Cool, smooth talk your way out of every situation. This shit was always going to be bad...someone was always going to die in this situation. Just pissed that it is a 24 year old kid who was the good guy who died when he should still be alive.
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He might have made sure the guy kept his hands out of his pockets from the very start. Other than that, I see nothing he could have done short of questioning the guy with gun drawn the whole time.
He absolutely should have. But he's been talked to about being more friendly. He's been talked to about not escalating a situation with loud verbal commands. Maybe not by his command staff, but by the national media. If he goes in that house, asks the subject to take his hands out of his pockets immediately in a manner that the suspect understands fully, he may still be alive. Or he may have been involved in a shootout right then. We'll never know.
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My second guessing says that he should've trusted his instincts. He knew something was up and suspected a gun. He should've drawn his weapon and asked the dude to take his jacket off.
Easy to see that, now.
In reality, I would likely be dead now too.
I hope this guy gets what he deserves.
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You are correct, this was going to end bad no matter what. If cop orders his hands out of his pockets as soon as he makes contact, then has to shoot..... WHY ARE THE MILITARY POLICE KILLING PEOPLE WITHOUT A WARRANT!!!!!
They are going to say that weather you have a warrant or not.
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Just what the po-lice needs. Miami officers apparently spotted using local teens pictures for target practice. Bonding relationships within the African-American community.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP)
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Just what the po-lice needs. Miami officers apparently spotted using local teens pictures for target practice. Bonding relationships within the African-American community.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP)
Al is gonna be pissed.
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Just what the po-lice needs. Miami officers apparently spotted using local teens pictures for target practice. Bonding relationships within the African-American community.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP)
:facepalm: More under aged target practice without parental consent. When will they learn?
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Just what the po-lice needs. Miami officers apparently spotted using local teens pictures for target practice. Bonding relationships within the African-American community.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/miami-police-using-images-of-black-teens-for-target-practice/vi-AA8fkd7?ocid=DELLDHP)
Every "picture" target I have shot at was of some bama fun with acid washed jeans, a tank top and an awesome mullet. So the target company can make that, but we can't use updated pictures of local people that we have a probability of being in a shootout with? I'm confused.
But seriously, that was not the best idea those officers have had.
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sometimes you eat the bear, sometimes the bear eats you
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Domestic violence call. Most dangerous call on the books.
Bitches be crazy too.
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I am pro-LEO because I am LEO.
I'm more inclined toward Capricorns and Aquarians
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I'm more inclined toward Capricorns and Aquarians
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http://fox2now.com/2015/01/16/police-body-camera-video-shows-suspect-shot-after-struggle/ (http://fox2now.com/2015/01/16/police-body-camera-video-shows-suspect-shot-after-struggle/)
Utah this time.
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http://fox2now.com/2015/01/16/police-body-camera-video-shows-suspect-shot-after-struggle/ (http://fox2now.com/2015/01/16/police-body-camera-video-shows-suspect-shot-after-struggle/)
Utah this time.
Dude, don't worry. It's a white boy. There will not be any protests.
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http://fox2now.com/2015/01/16/police-body-camera-video-shows-suspect-shot-after-struggle/ (http://fox2now.com/2015/01/16/police-body-camera-video-shows-suspect-shot-after-struggle/)
Utah this time.
Tell me if I'm wrong but wasn't it a stupid move to not either have another officer holding this perp or to slip the second cuffs on before taking the others off?
Also, why in the hell did they not secure the knife as soon as the guy told them about it? Seems like that would be a part of protocol. And if they left the keys in car, that would seemingly be another thing that could have helped prevent this.
All said, it's pay day for dude's heirs, I'm guessing. A good lawyer gets this and it's jackpot. I know that there aren't any on here to expound but this smells like a good one.
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The bottom line is that the cops are still out there shooting mofo's left and right.
http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk (http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk)
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The bottom line is that the cops are still out there having to shoot stupid mofo's left and right.
http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk (http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk)
FTFY
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The driver reminded me of the Chris Rock video, "how not to get yo ass beat by the cops"!
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The bottom line is that the cops are still out there shooting mofo's left and right.
http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk (http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk)
They didn't shoot enough people. Every one of the loudmouthed bitches screaming in the background should have been double tapped.
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The bottom line is that the cops are still out there shooting mofo's left and right.
http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk (http://youtu.be/Q0gxbCg5_jk)
That is an incredible video. Apparently the second responding officer is fucking iceman. Rounds being fired into the chest of the passenger in the direction of the officer, and he acts like nothing happened. I'm going to find the story behind this stop.
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what the fuck even happened there? The only thing I can say for sure is no matter what the caption says the dude that got his shit ruined was not being particularly cooperative.
Yes, there are some tactical issues and its a miracle those rounds didn't over penetrate and hit his backup but I can't tell enough from the video to say if it was a bad shoot. The officer that fired had some interesting verbal commands.
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what the fuck even happened there? The only thing I can say for sure is no matter what the caption says the dude that got his shit ruined was not being particularly cooperative.
Yes, there are some tactical issues and its a miracle those rounds didn't over penetrate and hit his backup but I can't tell enough from the video to say if it was a bad shoot. The officer that fired had some interesting verbal commands.
#3 could play a small part in this, considering the cop apparently knew that the perp had shot a cop before? Maybe? I think it likely would with me. But, that shouldn't get in the way of the protests. This officer should not have taken that into consideration when this guy was obviously getting out of the car quickly and throwing his hands up, on a dark street, after being uncooperative and moving his hands around in the car. The cop was being prejudiced because of the citizens checkered past.
http://heavy.com/news/2015/01/jerame-jerome-reid-bridgeton-police-shooting-dash-cam-footage-youtube-video/ (http://heavy.com/news/2015/01/jerame-jerome-reid-bridgeton-police-shooting-dash-cam-footage-youtube-video/)
1. The Dash Cam Video Was Just Released
The incident that resulted in Reid’s death occurred on December 30, 2014, but the footage of the actual shooting wasn’t released until this week. Both officers involved in the shooting have been placed on leave while their department investigates.
Officials have released very little of their findings so far, however. According to NewJersey.com:
Officials have released very little information as to what transpired that night. The Cumberland County Prosecutor’s Office, which is handling the investigation, has only said that †… a handgun was revealed and later recovered,†and that both officers Days and Worley “discharged their duty weapons†resulting in Reid’s death.
However, it is worth noting that following the shooting, the driver Leroy Tutt was taken into custody and then released without charge.
The Bridgeton police chief has expressed his support for the officers.
2. Protests
New York City Protesters, Eric Garner Protesters, Manhattan Protesters, Eric Garner Riots, Ferguson
An activist holds up a sign during a protest December 4, 2014 in Washington, DC, against the police deaths of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri and Eric Garner in Staten Island, New York. (BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP/Getty Images)
Protests over the wrongfulness of Reid’s death began almost immediately. Within the first week there was a mile-long march that echoed the sentiments of Michael Brown and Eric Garner, the two black men killed by police that gained loads of media attention in 2014.
The Bridgeton march began at the site of the shooting death. Cries included, “Hands up, don’t shoot.â€
Reid’s wife has also approached a lawyer to investigate.
According to Yahoo! News:
A Philadelphia lawyer, Conrad Benedetto, said he has been hired by Reid’s wife, Lawanda, to investigate. He said in a statement the footage “raises serious questions as to the legality and/or reasonableness of the officers’ actions that night†because Reid was shot as he raised his hands.
3. Reid has a Violent Past
It’s worth noting that Officer Days might have had a right to be weary of Reid.
Reid had a history of shooting at cops, and Days was one of the arresting officers when Reid had fired at them before.
According to The Press of Atlantic City:
Superior Court records and reports in The Press show that Reid, then called Jerome Reid, was 15 years old when he fired three shots at a trio of state troopers in Atlantic County in March 1994. Reid eventually was sentenced to 15 years in state prison on a charge of criminal attempted homicide.
4. Police Have had Complaints Against Them
The South Jersey Times reported that in the past:
… residents had filed seven municipal court complaints against Days since 2013 and two against Worley in that span for alleged abuses of power; all the complaints were dismissed.
5. Courts are in the Officers’ Favor
DOMA supreme court decision
U.S. Supreme Court members (first row L-R) Associate Justice Clarence Thomas, Associate Justice Antonin Scalia, Chief Justice John Roberts, Associate Justice Anthony Kennedy, Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, (back row L-R) Associate Justice Sonia Sotomayor, Assoicate Justice Stephen Breyer, Assoicate Justice Samuel Alito and Associate Justice Elena Kagan pose for photographs in the East Conference Room at the Supreme Court building October 8, 2010 in Washington, DC. This is the first time in history that three women are simultaneously serving on the court.
In regards to the video and how the situation was handled, it falls under a ruling that cases like this where there is a weapon present cannot be viewed in hindsight.
The Supreme Court said in the Graham v. Connor case:
“With respect to a claim of excessive force, the same standard of reasonableness at the moment applies: “Not every push or shove, even if it may later seem unnecessary in the peace of a judge’s chambers,†violates the Fourth Amendment. The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgments – in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving – about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.â€
Legal experts speaking specifically about the Reid case agree.