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Title: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: The Prowler on December 07, 2014, 04:39:16 AM
#1 uat vs. #4 Ohio State (7th string waterboy to play QB)

#2 Oregon vs. #3 FSU
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2014, 08:31:20 AM
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ohio State gets left out. 

I've respected the committee's rankings all year except when TCU jumped three spots ahead of Baylor.

But that was what the committee felt was the correct ranking based on how the season was shaping up - TCU was better than Baylor and looked so good against their schedule that they were the #3 team in the country. And they just finished their season with a 55-3 beating of Iowa State.

Now back when the media and coaches were deciding shit?  Yeah, Ohio State gets in. 

Because that's the scenario ESPN was pushing late last night.  But what ESPN couldn't account for in their argument is the fact that with their actual starting quarterback, the committee felt that Ohio State was not a good enough team to be in the top 4.  How can the committee rank Ohio State higher than TCU now that Ohio State is playing a backup? 

There's also a common opponent between the two - Minnesota.  TCU blew out Minnesota 30-7.  Ohio State won 31-24. 

There's also the worthy loss by TCU, losing by three points to #6 Baylor (at Baylor) whereas Ohio State lost at home to Virginia Tech by 14 points. 

So if the committee jumps Ohio State into the top 4 and drops TCU, then college football is truly lost.

And honestly, the best argument for Ohio State is to drop undefeated Florida State from the top 4.  They're already #4, won their conference championship by two points, and have been disrespected by the committee all season.  But even that is still bullshit.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: RWS on December 07, 2014, 08:40:19 AM
Have to agree.  FSU is in the top 4 and beat the #11 team.  The margin of victory doesn't matter when you beat #11.  No way in hell they get dropped out of the playoffs, especially in favor of a 1 loss team.  As much as I think that Winston is a douchebag, they deserve a shot. 

The talking heads pushing for tOSU are simply trying to create drama.  It's not going to happen, and shouldn't happen at this point.  Even the old BCS formula has the same teams in the top 4 as the committee, just a different order.  It also leaves tOSU outside of the top 4 at #5 by a pretty wide margin. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 07, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
Oregon
Bama
Fsu
Baylor

Buy id be fine with tcu at 4 as well.

Baylor gets my nod since they won head to head with tcu. But tcu really really blew that game badly.

Oregon avenged their only loss big time.

Fsu has 0 losses and a decent OOC schedule.

Bama lost to ole miss. Decent loss.

Baylor lost to west vagina. Decent loss.

Ohio states loss was to va tech. Ouch.

tOSU is odd man out to me with certainty. You can't all of a sudden hype them up off one game last night where Wisc shit the bed. They lost to va tech. Sheesh. That's bad.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 09:31:35 AM
#1 uat vs. #4 Ohio State (7th string waterboy to play QB)

#2 Oregon vs. #3 FSU
This is what having no conference championship game looks like to fans in the Big 12.

Like Danielson, I would have never moved the undefeated from the #1 spot. Yeah they have a psycho at QB but they haven't lost in two seasons. The committee leaped Alabama into the top spot then created a stir by ranking TCU ahead of Baylor with Ohio State on the outside looking in. And the potential Heisman winner and his team Oregon can't be left out.

It was bound to happen and looking the other way and hoping it would all fall into place by perching the Mississippi teams so high was when (to me at least) it started losing that esteemed feeling for the puppet show effect.
That Grove sure is a neat place.

We will see an eight team playoff in the near future. Probably won't require a committee of thirteen or twelve (minus Archie Manning) What happens this season is bound to affect how next season takes shape in everyone's eyes. Polls will still exist and serve as a reminder of the teams that failed moreso than those that did not. Big 12 gamble didn't pay off. Thanks for playing. See hostess for parting gift.

I don't disagree with anyone about the Big 12 deserving it over late blooming Ohio State.
But the premise is flawed-the same criteria cannot be applied to the Big 12 as the others.

As I recall, it was tOSU losing to MSU in the BTCG Next! that helped Auburn in it last season.
Baylor and TCU both finished 11-1 in the regular season last year. Ohio State finished 12-1.
Something's different and yet nothing's different...except that Ohio State just won the BTCG.
More deserving? IDK! 
   
 

   

Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 07, 2014, 09:52:31 AM
Bama
Oregon
TCU
FSU

Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 10:37:48 AM
The bullshit starts when SEC talking heads start yapping for two teams in a playoff with five conferences.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 07, 2014, 10:49:42 AM

Ohio states loss was to va tech. Ouch.



I hope their overall shitty schedule keeps them out. I think they played two top 25 teams (one being Minn when they were ranked 25th) and my dream would be for the committee to come out say that weak schedules hurt your rankings.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2014, 10:50:26 AM

I hope their overall shitty schedule keeps them out. I think they played two top 25 teams (one being Minn when they were ranked 25th) and my dream would be for the committee to come out say that weak schedules hurt your rankings.

That's something else - will the committee release any statements or explanations? 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: djsimp on December 07, 2014, 11:15:17 AM
That's something else - will the committee release any statements or explanations?

I say no because for the team that gets left out, that explanation will not be good enough.

If there is an explanation,  it's " because Daddy said so".
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
I say no because for the team that gets left out, that explanation will not be good enough.

If there is an explanation,  it's " because Daddy said so".
Bottom line is tOSU (like Bama) gets better ratings.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 07, 2014, 12:24:05 PM
Bottom line is tOSU (like Bama) gets better ratings.


Till the second half when they are down 31 points to a good team.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 12:40:27 PM

Till the second half when they are down 31 points to a good team.
They lost to MSU then Clemson last season and VaTech this season inexplicably.

Spuat lost to us, Okie then Ole Piss.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: ssgaufan on December 07, 2014, 01:04:48 PM
It's all about the money.  TCU has a 3 point loss ON THE ROAD to a top ten team.  tOSU got shit kicked AT HOME to a bad VT team.  Yeah, they are the better team.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2014, 01:09:44 PM
Alabama vs. Ohio State in Sugar.

Oregon vs. Florida State in Rose. 

Total bullshit.  Sorry.  Don't care how much Jeff Long tries to make up for it with his political response - "It's more about Ohio State than...." 

And again, Alabama has the football gods smile upon them.  TCU and Baylor get left out.  The team with the third string quarterback jump in. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Kaos on December 07, 2014, 01:11:49 PM
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How could you not see this clusterfuck coming?  Is this better than the polls?  Is this better than the BCS?  Nope.  It's more fucked up than a basketball puck. 

This is the shit we're going to get.  And it fucking stinks. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2014, 01:18:45 PM
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How could you not see this clusterfuck coming?  Is this better than the polls?  Is this better than the BCS?  Nope.  It's more fucked up than a basketball puck. 

This is the shit we're going to get.  And it fucking stinks.

Imagine TCU is Texas or Oklahoma.  Think they get left out? 

It's all about money and ratings.  Always is.  Not too shabby of a business move.  Won't criticize them for that.  But in terms of fairness and competition, this is bullshit.

Jeff Long completely avoided the "Why did TCU drop from 3 to 6 in a five day period?"

They have a bullshit policy that the last ranking will ignore the previous rankings and consider the teams' entire bodies of work.  Such an easy out so that they can stick in the biggest money makers while keeping the plebes in the lesser bowls. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 01:24:51 PM
Alabama vs. Ohio State in Sugar.

Oregon vs. Florida State in Rose. 

Total bullshit.  Sorry.  Don't care how much Jeff Long tries to make up for it with his political response - "It's more about Ohio State than...." 

And again, Alabama has the football gods smile upon them.  TCU and Baylor get left out.  The team with the third string quarterback jump in.
I always wanted a different committee member to explain each week but it's all too obvious why one was chosen to speak for the collective.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: RWS on December 07, 2014, 03:05:13 PM
I really don't get that.  The only thing that I can think of is that the committee didn't want to put up with the Big 12's bullshit.  According to the Big 12 bylaws, in the event of a tie between the top two teams, the results of the head-to-head matchup during the season will be the tie-breaker to determine the conference champion.  Only if that comparison is not available will the committee's final ranking determine a champion.  That would have went to Baylor, since they won head-to-head.  Well, isn't the point of the playoffs to let conference champions duke it out if possible?  Since TCU was in the top 4, the Big 12 said "Weeeellllll, we're going to ignore the bylaws and ignore the first parameter, and whoever is in the top 4 will be the conference champion."  So, they refused to name a conference champion.

Maybe the committee said fuck you, we're not going to settle your family squabble.  You don't give us a conference champion, then you're not going to have a team in the playoff.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
I really don't get that.  The only thing that I can think of is that the committee didn't want to put up with the Big 12's bullshit.  According to the Big 12 bylaws, in the event of a tie between the top two teams, the results of the head-to-head matchup during the season will be the tie-breaker to determine the conference champion.  Only if that comparison is not available will the committee's final ranking determine a champion.  That would have went to Baylor, since they won head-to-head.  Well, isn't the point of the playoffs to let conference champions duke it out if possible?  Since TCU was in the top 4, the Big 12 said "Weeeellllll, we're going to ignore the bylaws and ignore the first parameter, and whoever is in the top 4 will be the conference champion."  So, they refused to name a conference champion.

Maybe the committee said fuck you, we're not going to settle your family squabble.  You don't give us a conference champion, then you're not going to have a team in the playoff.
Also ...a great number of college football fans, a few committee members and those with Big 12 connections expected tOSU and/or FSU to lose making the final 4 easy peasy.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 07, 2014, 04:39:32 PM
This is supposedly the way to give us the 4 best teams. In reality there are at least 4 teams in the SEC that would give Bama a better game.

Oregon is the only team that has any chance to beat Bama.

Problem is, it won't surprise me to see FSU out physical the Ducks in the first game. I don't think FSU wins but that may be a tight game.

Osu Bama will not. Laughable that they are in the 4. Bama 48 osu 23. TCU or Baylor would've been a better match.

This isn't any better or more equitable than the BCS. It only makes more money. 8 teams would be better but bottom line is, being in the SEC will make it hard to make it because of the bias against putting 2 teams from same conference in and the schedule we must endure.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 07, 2014, 05:31:22 PM
This is supposedly the way to give us the 4 best teams. In reality there are at least 4 teams in the SEC that would give Bama a better game.

Oregon is the only team that has any chance to beat Bama.

Problem is, it won't surprise me to see FSU out physical the Ducks in the first game. I don't think FSU wins but that may be a tight game.

Osu Bama will not. Laughable that they are in the 4. Bama 48 osu 23. TCU or Baylor would've been a better match.

This isn't any better or more equitable than the BCS. It only makes more money. 8 teams would be better but bottom line is, being in the SEC will make it hard to make it because of the bias against putting 2 teams from same conference in and the schedule we must endure.
You were brought on specifically to find Gus and Orbrun the best DC in the business. You need to stop railing about the system we have and focus on the task at hand .
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: The Prowler on December 07, 2014, 07:44:24 PM
uat will kill OSU much in the same way they fucked up Missouri (it'll be the least watched bowl game after the 1st qtr).

Oregon & FSU game will go down to the wire, but I feel that the Heisman winner Mariotta will be to much for the FSU defense, in the end (this will be the 2nd most watched bowl game).

uat vs Oregon in the National Championship (this will be the most watched bowl game).
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: The Six on December 07, 2014, 07:49:45 PM
uat vs Oregon in the National Championship (this will be the most watched bowl game).

WAR DAMN DUCKS
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 07, 2014, 08:02:00 PM
uat will kill OSU much in the same way they fucked up Missouri (it'll be the least watched bowl game after the 1st qtr).

Oregon & FSU game will go down to the wire, but I feel that the Heisman winner Mariotta will be to much for the FSU defense, in the end (this will be the 2nd most watched bowl game).

uat vs Oregon in the National Championship (this will be the most watched bowl game).

I'm not so sure about Oregon.  I like Mariota, and I think they score some points.  But will they be able to slow down Florida State's offense?  I could see a 42-28 kind of victory for Florida State.

Either way, I think Alabama wins it all.  They're peaking at the right time.  Kinda reminds me of Auburn last year.  2nd half of the Iron Bowl really transformed us from really good team to championship caliber team.  Used that momentum to blow out Missouri.  Had the guns blazing through the 1st half of the BCSCG.  Lost our footing and damn near had the game back in our hands by the end. 

EDIT - And of course this is how it's going to play out.  Because that's how college football is now.  Alabama will get the Big 10 reject with a 3rd string quarterback.  Blow them out.  Then they'll get Florida State in the championship game and win.  Because we lost last year, and Alabama gets retribution with everything every year right now. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 07, 2014, 10:45:53 PM
Wanna hear me yell Rowwww Tide!? Line up Jimbo's boys across from them. I don't care if it doubles Bama's championship trophy case. If it comes to this game, it's not a tough decision. I hope Bama will slap that shit eating grin off of the jibber jabbering rapist and bitch slap Jimbo.

If they play, it will happen.

Errybody wants to see Bama vs Ducks and I'm with them. It could finally be the Ducks year if this game happens.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 07, 2014, 11:01:06 PM
Roll Ducks Roll
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Saniflush on December 08, 2014, 07:14:33 AM
Meh, fuck all of them. 
If Auburn ain't in I'm doing other shit that day.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 08, 2014, 08:34:02 AM
Meh, fuck all of them. 
If Auburn ain't in I'm doing other shit that day.

What he said.  Not must see tv.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 08, 2014, 09:04:33 AM
I really don't get that.  The only thing that I can think of is that the committee didn't want to put up with the Big 12's bullshit.  According to the Big 12 bylaws, in the event of a tie between the top two teams, the results of the head-to-head matchup during the season will be the tie-breaker to determine the conference champion.  Only if that comparison is not available will the committee's final ranking determine a champion.  That would have went to Baylor, since they won head-to-head.  Well, isn't the point of the playoffs to let conference champions duke it out if possible?  Since TCU was in the top 4, the Big 12 said "Weeeellllll, we're going to ignore the bylaws and ignore the first parameter, and whoever is in the top 4 will be the conference champion."  So, they refused to name a conference champion.

Maybe the committee said fuck you, we're not going to settle your family squabble.  You don't give us a conference champion, then you're not going to have a team in the playoff.

I guess I missed where the committee changed their position on conf champions having nothing to do with who the top 4 teams are. F this committee.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2014, 09:36:01 AM
I'm still asking what someone asked earlier.  How did TCU drop 3 slots after a 55-3 win?  Last week, they were the committee's 3rd best team in the country.  I know it was Iowa State but you can't handle your business better than 55-3. And they get punished for it? 

Have to say that Gary Patterson handled it about as classy as you possibly can.  Basically said, "Meh, we should have won them all and controlled our own destiny."   
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: CCTAU on December 08, 2014, 09:40:57 AM
Well I said it when this started, 4 is better than 2, but 8 would be the best.

Not much of an argument between who is 8 and who is 9.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 08, 2014, 09:50:14 AM
I'm still asking what someone asked earlier.  How did TCU drop 3 slots after a 55-3 win?  Last week, they were the committee's 3rd best team in the country.  I know it was Iowa State but you can't handle your business better than 55-3. And they get punished for it? 

Have to say that Gary Patterson handled it about as classy as you possibly can.  Basically said, "Meh, we should have won them all and controlled our own destiny."

Great point. And someone should call Long and his cohorts out and demand the reasoning behind it. Not because anything will change. But because it will expose them as the dumbasses that they are. Simply put, tOSU got in based off name, and a one game performance.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 08, 2014, 10:00:34 AM
I think the committee probably got it right because these 4 teams won their conference. The Big 12 completely fucked themselves on this one. It's not TCU or Baylor, it's the Big 12 conference.

All year, they have been touting "one true Champion" since every team plays every other team. However, as it looks like Baylor and TCU were going to each have 1 loss, the conference touted "co-champions" because TCU was ranked ahead of Baylor from the committee for most of the year. However, Baylor played a ranked K-State team during the last game of the year which pulled Baylor's "resume" up on par with TCU. At that point, you have to rank head to head all other things being equal.

If the conference had claimed that Baylor was undisputed champion of the Big 12, there would be a little more debate from me. But how do you let one co-champion in without the other while the other won, and also keep a "true" champion from a power 5 conference out who played and won decisively in a championship game? Answer is...you can't. The Big 12 made it easy for the committee when they declared co-champions.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2014, 10:03:55 AM
If you're a Go Gatah playa and before the season started, you were told your coach will be fired and your bowl game will be against East Carolina in Birmingham.....

On the other hand, if you're a Western Kentucky or Central Michigan player and were told you'd be spending Christmas in the Bahamas.....
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 08, 2014, 10:38:15 AM
And for the record, this shit wasn't thought out real well. How do you have 5 power conferences and 4 play off spots. This is going to end bad for someone nearly every year. The playoffs need to be 2 teams or 8 teams or we need 4 conferences. Anything other than that is going to fail.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 08, 2014, 10:39:40 AM
I think the committee probably got it right because these 4 teams won their conference. The Big 12 completely fucked themselves on this one. It's not TCU or Baylor, it's the Big 12 conference.

All year, they have been touting "one true Champion" since every team plays every other team. However, as it looks like Baylor and TCU were going to each have 1 loss, the conference touted "co-champions" because TCU was ranked ahead of Baylor from the committee for most of the year. However, Baylor played a ranked K-State team during the last game of the year which pulled Baylor's "resume" up on par with TCU. At that point, you have to rank head to head all other things being equal.

If the conference had claimed that Baylor was undisputed champion of the Big 12, there would be a little more debate from me. But how do you let one co-champion in without the other while the other won, and also keep a "true" champion from a power 5 conference out who played and won decisively in a championship game? Answer is...you can't. The Big 12 made it easy for the committee when they declared co-champions.

That is a good point. I still feel bad for Baylor. I really think they had a better body of work than tOSU.

tOSU left a final lasting impression from one game. Sucks for Baylor.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Token on December 08, 2014, 11:06:19 AM
And for the record, this shit wasn't thought out real well. How do you have 5 power conferences and 4 play off spots. This is going to end bad for someone nearly every year. The playoffs need to be 2 teams or 8 teams or we need 4 conferences. Anything other than that is going to fail.

4 conferences.  16 teams each.  No FCS teams on schedule.  12 games.  7 games against your division teams, 2 games against other division teams inside conference.  1 game against non conference power 4 team.  2 games against non conference non power 4 team. 

Don't worry with the math.  It works.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Buzz Killington on December 08, 2014, 11:07:18 AM
4 conferences.  16 teams each.  No FCS teams on schedule.  12 games.  7 games against your division teams, 2 games against other division teams inside conference.  1 game against non conference power 4 team.  2 games against non conference non power 4 team. 

Don't worry with the math.  It works.

I was told there would be no math
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2014, 11:26:38 AM
Heard Mack Brown on Cowherd a bit ago.  Surprisingly candid in that he agreed Baylor and TCU didn't schedule very well OOC.  Also admitted that they (Texas when he was coaching) got some breaks other teams didn't because of the Texas name and that tOSU name definitely played into choosing them over Baylor and TCU.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 08, 2014, 12:04:29 PM
4 conferences.  16 teams each.  No FCS teams on schedule.  12 games.  7 games against your division teams, 2 games against other division teams inside conference.  1 game against non conference power 4 team.  2 games against non conference non power 4 team. 

Don't worry with the math.  It works.
Makes perfectly good sense.
Don't know if this is original thought or know how strongly you feel about this idea but you might want to avoid clock towers, book deposit buildings, dark alleyways and the entire state of Texas in general. Happy trails!
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2014, 12:23:02 PM
I hated the idea of a committee from the very start and this is exactly why. When you leave it strictly up to opinion, to the "eye test", someone is going to get screwed. While I honestly can't tell you these are or are not the 4 best teams at the end of the day, the mere fact that a bunch of people sat around and made the final call will leave them subject to claims of bias in some form or fashion 100% of the time.  I would have felt much better about it had they just left the BCS formula in place and taken the top 4 from that.

Having said that, there is absolutely no denying that the expansion to 4 and this committee deciding, has raised the interest in college football to untold levels. It's been the hot topic every day of the week on every show.  Every analyst and expert has their top 4 every week.  New shows were created simply to analyze the top 4. Here we are talking about it.  I guess, mission accomplished.   
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: RottenBottom on December 08, 2014, 12:30:17 PM
I'm glad we figured out that "brand" is more important to the committee than the actual resumes of teams.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 08, 2014, 12:31:05 PM
Makes perfectly good sense.
Don't know if this is original thought or know how strongly you feel about this idea but you might want to avoid clock towers, book deposit buildings, dark alleyways and the entire state of Texas in general. Happy trails!

The NFC South agrees with you.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 08, 2014, 12:38:24 PM
4 conferences.  16 teams each.  No FCS teams on schedule.  12 games.  7 games against your division teams, 2 games against other division teams inside conference.  1 game against non conference power 4 team.  2 games against non conference non power 4 team. 

Don't worry with the math.  It works.

I like it.

Then the playoff is the four conference champions.  Sorry if your conference produced two of the better teams.  Creating a tangible list of expectations and requirements for making the playoff is much better than trying to by the "eye test," which no matter how people argue it, human rankings will always be done by the eye test.

The bowls should be a rotating schedule of conference vs. conference.  SEC vs. ACC.  Pac 12 vs. Big 10.  So SEC #2 plays ACC#2.  Pac 12 #4 plays Big 10 #4. 

The next season would be SEC vs. Pac 12.  ACC vs. BIg 10.  And so on and so on.

That way teams like Auburn can play a multitude of teams instead of playing Wisconsin and Clemson almost every year. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 08, 2014, 01:12:21 PM
I like it.

Then the playoff is the four conference champions.  Sorry if your conference produced two of the better teams.  Creating a tangible list of expectations and requirements for making the playoff is much better than trying to by the "eye test," which no matter how people argue it, human rankings will always be done by the eye test.

The bowls should be a rotating schedule of conference vs. conference.  SEC vs. ACC.  Pac 12 vs. Big 10.  So SEC #2 plays ACC#2.  Pac 12 #4 plays Big 10 #4. 

The next season would be SEC vs. Pac 12.  ACC vs. BIg 10.  And so on and so on.

That way teams like Auburn can play a multitude of teams instead of playing Wisconsin and Clemson almost every year.
"Teams like Auburn " can avoid ho him matchups by solidifying its defense and playing at a consistent level.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 08, 2014, 01:37:47 PM
I don't disagree with the top 4.  Then again I don't agree with it.  You can make an argument for TCU and Baylor, but at the end of the day we all knew someone's feelings were going to get hurt.  What I do have an issue with is moving TCU from 5th to 3rd after destroying K-State and then dropping them from 3rd to 6th after destroying their opponent.  I have seen teams drop one spot in something like that, but never have I seen a team drop 3 spots in the BCS when they keep on winning.  I also think Baylor should have been ranked ahead of them the whole time, but that's a different argument for a different day.  This whole thing boils down to money.  OSU has 10 times as many fans as a TCU or Baylor and they will travel better and generate more revenue.  Follow the money.......and that is what makes me sad. 

Bring back the BCS computer models and take the top 4.  No shock, no drama, no human bias.  If they can't or won't do that, then expand the playoffs to 8 teams and take the top ranked team from the power five and 3 at large.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 08, 2014, 01:56:27 PM
expand the playoffs to 8 teams and take the top ranked team from the power five and 3 at large.

Best idea to me. Esp the at large part.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 08, 2014, 02:00:51 PM
I don't disagree with the top 4.  Then again I don't agree with it.  You can make an argument for TCU and Baylor, but at the end of the day we all knew someone's feelings were going to get hurt.  What I do have an issue with is moving TCU from 5th to 3rd after destroying K-State and then dropping them from 3rd to 6th after destroying their opponent.  I have seen teams drop one spot in something like that, but never have I seen a team drop 3 spots in the BCS when they keep on winning.  I also think Baylor should have been ranked ahead of them the whole time, but that's a different argument for a different day.  This whole thing boils down to money.  OSU has 10 times as many fans as a TCU or Baylor and they will travel better and generate more revenue.  Follow the money.......and that is what makes me sad. 

Bring back the BCS computer models and take the top 4.  No shock, no drama, no human bias.  If they can't or won't do that, then expand the playoffs to 8 teams and take the top ranked team from the power five and 3 at large.

I am trying to look objectively at this. When TCU was ranked higher, it was because their schedule was front loaded with Oklahoma, K-State and whoever is ranked in the Big 12. The last 3 to 4 weeks, they played the even more shitty teams from the shitty conference. SO even though Bayolr beat TCU, they still had 1 loss each and TCU had played the more tough schedule. TCU even played Minnesota which started out pretty good before fading. It wasn't until the end when they had played roughly the same schedule that all things were equal. When that happened, they ranked them based on head to head.

Honestly, I don't see any fault in it. And, I think had the Big 12 actually awarded a winner, there would have been different results. Seriously...the 4th team in the SEC West beat the Big 10 division Champ. I don't think the win would have said as much had there been a clear cut Big 12 winner.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2014, 04:23:31 PM
Listened to little bit of Finebaum a few minutes ago.  Had on Bill Hancock and it wasn't the most pleasant interview I've ever heard.  PF was asking why Baylor and TCU fans should accept his explanation of why the committee did what they did. He was way more direct about the whole Tuesday night meetings and rankings, calling them a charade and saying at the end of the day, it was all about branding and they stomped all over the little guy. 

Again, I'm not upset at the final 4.  Could have lived with it either way.  But the 3 place drop of TCU after a 55-3 win will always suggest that PF is right about that. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Godfather on December 08, 2014, 04:25:29 PM
I hated the idea of a committee from the very start and this is exactly why. When you leave it strictly up to opinion, to the "eye test", someone is going to get screwed. While I honestly can't tell you these are or are not the 4 best teams at the end of the day, the mere fact that a bunch of people sat around and made the final call will leave them subject to claims of bias in some form or fashion 100% of the time.  I would have felt much better about it had they just left the BCS formula in place and taken the top 4 from that.

Having said that, there is absolutely no denying that the expansion to 4 and this committee deciding, has raised the interest in college football to untold levels. It's been the hot topic every day of the week on every show.  Every analyst and expert has their top 4 every week.  New shows were created simply to analyze the top 4. Here we are talking about it.  I guess, mission accomplished.   

You and I have discussed this, this was to easy not to do.  Stupid. 

BTW I hate what they did the same as everyone else.  One thing that hasn't been pointed out is that controversy and passion is what makes the college game what it is.  The fact that this debate has become again the focus, have the college money people drooling.

Outside of that fuck'em all.  Bring me Wisconsin....woo hoo.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: GH2001 on December 08, 2014, 04:28:29 PM
You and I have discussed this, this was to easy not to do.  Stupid. 

BTW I hate what they did the same as everyone else.  One thing that hasn't been pointed out is that controversy and passion is what makes the college game what it is.  The fact that this debate has become again the focus, have the college money people drooling.

Outside of that fuck'em all.  Bring me Wisconsin....woo hoo.

Yeah, at min 4..maybe 8. BCS was fine...it just needed more teams involved in the end. Bowls would have been incorporated the same way they are now, into semis and even quarters later down the road.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 08, 2014, 04:29:42 PM
You and I have discussed this, this was to easy not to do.  Stupid. 

BTW I hate what they did the same as everyone else.  One thing that hasn't been pointed out is that controversy and passion is what makes the college game what it is.  The fact that this debate has become again the focus, have the college money people drooling.

Outside of that fuck'em all.  Bring me Wisconsin....woo hoo.

Egg-Zackitickly.  No denying the enormous raise in the interest level with that debate. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Godfather on December 08, 2014, 04:42:38 PM
Again, I'm not upset at the final 4.  Could have lived with it either way.  But the 3 place drop of TCU after a 55-3 win will always suggest that PF is right about that. 
Apparently, it goes from TCU, to the cleaners, to the Chick-Fil-A Bowl.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 08, 2014, 08:11:01 PM
I'm sticking with the committee gambling that one or both tOSU or FSU would lose... which backfired.

Baylor won the head to head over TCU. That should have been sufficient enough but oh nooo. We need to over-reward TCU for a decisive victory.

The created interest was already building and the fallout is mostly negative which doesn't help their future credibility. IMO not enough measured parameters and not transparent in that only Long was available to respond after a weekly re- ranking.

I think a team like FSU on a winning streak (no matter how ugly) should stay in it until beaten.
Also don't care whether a road dog winning by two is considered a better win than a prohibitive home favorite barely scraping by. It doesn't even matter in the NFL.     

 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Saniflush on December 09, 2014, 07:32:43 AM
Apparently, it goes from TCU, to the cleaners, to the Chick-Fil-A Bowl.

Have you been touching yourself Kent?
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 09, 2014, 08:27:58 AM

 then expand the playoffs to 8 teams and take the top ranked team from the power five and 3 at large.


So will Notre dame get 3 cracks at it?
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: AUJarhead on December 09, 2014, 09:00:55 AM
expand the playoffs to 8 teams and take the top ranked team from the power five and 3 at large.

I agree, but take the conference champs from the power 5, and then pick 3 at large teams.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 09, 2014, 09:22:04 AM
Permanently install Alabama as #1 and let everyone else play for second. Rohl Tahd!
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Kaos on December 09, 2014, 09:29:52 AM
The "committee" is a bunch of stodgy old fucks.  They don't care about the best teams, they care about "giving the fans what they want to see"

Because in their mind an Alabama - Ohio State matchup between Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant is some thrilling theater.  What? Woody's not there?  You sure about that?

They also think Oregon is what those crazy kids are listening to today, with all their mop-top hair and rock music. 
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: jmar on December 09, 2014, 09:38:46 AM
The "committee" is a bunch of stodgy old fucks.  They don't care about the best teams, they care about "giving the fans what they want to see"

Because in their mind an Alabama - Ohio State matchup between Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant is some thrilling theater.  What? Woody's not there?  You sure about that?

They also think Oregon is what those crazy kids are listening to today, with all their mop-top hair and rock music.
They froze Hitler's brain didn't they?
And what happens when those O faces go all Sergeant Pepper on the college football world?
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 09, 2014, 11:17:14 AM
I agree, but take the conference champs from the power 5, and then pick 3 at large teams.

Yeah, that is what I meant, said highest rank b/c of the Big12/10/whatever they are.
Title: Re: College Playoff Top 4...who gets left out?
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 09, 2014, 11:21:47 AM
The "committee" is a bunch of stodgy old fucks.  They don't care about the best teams, they care about "giving the fans what they want to see"

Because in their mind an Alabama - Ohio State matchup between Woody Hayes and Bear Bryant is some thrilling theater.  What? Woody's not there?  You sure about that?

They also think Oregon is what those crazy kids are listening to today, with all their mop-top hair and rock music.

Yep.

And Baylor is the smart school in Texas with the pretty girls.  Always makes for a good homecoming.

And TCU is that team out West with Texas in the name.  Good private school raising kids up to be nice Christians. 

How could they have "NFL bodies" like Joe Namath and Archie Griffith?