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Title: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 02, 2014, 10:49:09 AM
Brandon Marcello with al. I am a gay twerker that has no balls!!!!  I also have no idea how to use the quote function to post stories, so I annoy the piss out of others.  I like male genatalia in and around my mouth. tells us exactly JACK SQUAT.  Just who qualifies to be a person familiar with the process?  If I happened to speak with Bobby Lowder and asked, "Mr. Lowder, just how does the process work when you hire a coach?"  If he explained the process to me and thus, made me familiar with the process, would I now be qualified?  Could I then leak information to journalists about the process?  Because obviously, I would be familiar with it.


 Auburn is pursuing Will Muschamp to be its next defensive coordinator, but the former Florida coach is weighing several other opportunities as well, according to a person familiar with the process.

Muschamp and Auburn have shown mutual interest, but a decision is not expected within the next couple of days, according to the person familiar with the process. It's believed Muschamp is Gus Malzahn's top target after the second-year Auburn coach fired Ellis Johnson on Sunday.

The former Florida head coach has several potential suitors, including Texas A&M, and is also looking at the possibility of positions that may come open in the near future. Opportunities in the NFL are also on Muschamp's radar.

It's not clear who Malzahn would target if Muschamp passes on the opportunity at Auburn, but AuburnUndercover.com reports he has three candidates in mind.

Muschamp, who coached Auburn's defense in 2006 and 2007, finished his Florida coaching career Saturday in a 24-19 loss at Florida State. He was 28-22 in four seasons leading the Gators, including a trip to the Sugar Bowl following the 2012 season.

Muschamp's coaching chops as a defensive coordinator at Auburn and Texas landed him the job with the Gators in 2011. His Auburn defense led the SEC in scoring in 2007 and ranked seventh in the NCAA in 2006.

If Muschamp does land a coordinator gig on the college level, the veteran is in position to possibly become the highest-paid defensive coordinator in the country, surpassing Alabama's Kirby Smart ($1.35 million) and LSU's John Chavis ($1.3 million) in the SEC.

Auburn paid Johnson a salary of $850,000 per year and will owe him $2.2 million in buyout money through June 2017.

Auburn's future coordinator will take over a defense that allowed 31 points or more in its final six SEC games of the season, the worst stretch in school history. Auburn has not ranked in the top 30 in total defense since 2008, when the Tigers allowed only 317.8 yards per game.

Auburn conducted a meeting on campus with players Monday afternoon to discuss Johnson's departure.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 02, 2014, 11:41:59 AM
Hi,

I'm Brandon Marcello, and I too read SEC message boards. 
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 02, 2014, 11:52:55 AM
Apparently, Muschamp (or Sexton) is stretching this thing out in order to get competing offers. I think we should walk away from this deal. He wants to coach in the NFL anyway and would likely jump at the next chance.

Screw him. Next on the list, I say.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 02, 2014, 01:43:55 PM
Apparently, Muschamp (or Sexton) is stretching this thing out in order to get competing offers. I think we should walk away from this deal. He wants to coach in the NFL anyway and would likely jump at the next chance.

Screw him. Next on the list, I say.

That has been my stance since yesterday. I just don't trust Sexton or Muschamp.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 02, 2014, 02:16:10 PM
That has been my stance since yesterday. I just don't trust Sexton or Muschamp.

Disagree.

Muschamp's worth the highest paid coordinator position even if it's only for one year.

He brings a huge buzz back to Auburn football.  Kinda like in 2012 when it seemed like the 3-9 Tigers were out of the spotlight for a long, long time, Auburn announced the morning of the SECCG that Gus Malzahn was the new coach.

We bring in Muschamp?  Everyone begins talking about Auburn.  High powered offense with a good defense.  Recruits will hear that.  Muschamp already has recruits committed to him and his defense. 

ESPECIALLY if we can make the announcement before Florida hires a head coach. 

tl;dr - I think he's worth it for the recruiting alone. 
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 02, 2014, 02:33:19 PM
Disagree.

Muschamp's worth the highest paid coordinator position even if it's only for one year.

He brings a huge buzz back to Auburn football.  Kinda like in 2012 when it seemed like the 3-9 Tigers were out of the spotlight for a long, long time, Auburn announced the morning of the SECCG that Gus Malzahn was the new coach.

We bring in Muschamp?  Everyone begins talking about Auburn.  High powered offense with a good defense.  Recruits will hear that.  Muschamp already has recruits committed to him and his defense. 

ESPECIALLY if we can make the announcement before Florida hires a head coach. 

tl;dr - I think he's worth it for the recruiting alone.


And this Sat morning.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: AUTiger1 on December 02, 2014, 03:01:49 PM
tl;dr - I think he's worth it for the recruiting alone.

In a way I agree.  I know we need the recruits to come in and that we are going to be lacking next year.  That is just it though.  He stays for one year, maybe two.  Then we start this whole process over again and the players have to learn another system.  Is he worth one recruiting cycle, two cycles?  How many of those kids (commited to AU) would we lose if he did get another job? 

I agree it would make people talk about us, keep us in the spotlight and that is a good thing, don't get me wrong.  I still think in the long run we would be better off hiring a young guy like Odom or a Summers and have them stay here for 5 years.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: War Eagle!!! on December 02, 2014, 03:28:34 PM
Disagree.

Muschamp's worth the highest paid coordinator position even if it's only for one year.

He brings a huge buzz back to Auburn football.  Kinda like in 2012 when it seemed like the 3-9 Tigers were out of the spotlight for a long, long time, Auburn announced the morning of the SECCG that Gus Malzahn was the new coach.

We bring in Muschamp?  Everyone begins talking about Auburn.  High powered offense with a good defense.  Recruits will hear that.  Muschamp already has recruits committed to him and his defense. 

ESPECIALLY if we can make the announcement before Florida hires a head coach. 

tl;dr - I think he's worth it for the recruiting alone.

That's all well and good...I just don't think he is coming and he is leveraging auburn to get something else. Give him a time frame and move on.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 02, 2014, 04:01:36 PM
Defensive Coordinators at Auburn are not exactly synonymous with the word longevity anyway.

 


Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 02, 2014, 04:04:46 PM
Defensive Coordinators at Auburn are not exactly synonymous with the word longevity anyway.

Coordinators typically aren't.

Kirby Smart and Mike Bobo are very rare breeds and honestly only serve as puppets for the guys really in charge. 

Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 02, 2014, 04:30:01 PM
I would rather see us find an up and comer. Someone with fire in the belly. I can't see someone who will be paid 6 mil or whatever it is, even if they just sit on their ass for the next few years, having much fire.

Also, we very well could be bidding against ourselves in this thing. Sexton is the master of the media. I don't doubt for a minute that Muschamp had job offers before he left G'ville but should he really command the highest paid DC in the country salary?

I'm not so sure about that.

And the dude has to be mentally exhausted. I believe that he put his all into the Gaytors but he made some incredibly shittay oc and position coach decisions.

I could get over my distaste for his personality, just as I do with many on here. But, something just doesn't feel right about this one.

I would be happy to get him, since this is what Gus wants but not at all cost.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: GH2001 on December 03, 2014, 09:36:07 AM
That's all well and good...I just don't think he is coming and he is leveraging auburn to get something else. Give him a time frame and move on.

Ive read he is on a 4-5 day long vacation somewhere in the Carribean with his fam. So I'd say let him get back from that, give him a day or two to mull it over and like you said, move on if he doesn't give an answer.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: GH2001 on December 03, 2014, 09:37:26 AM
I would rather see us find an up and comer. Someone with fire in the belly. I can't see someone who will be paid 6 mil or whatever it is, even if they just sit on their ass for the next few years, having much fire.

Also, we very well could be bidding against ourselves in this thing. Sexton is the master of the media. I don't doubt for a minute that Muschamp had job offers before he left G'ville but should he really command the highest paid DC in the country salary?

I'm not so sure about that.

And the dude has to be mentally exhausted. I believe that he put his all into the Gaytors but he made some incredibly shittay oc and position coach decisions.

I could get over my distaste for his personality, just as I do with many on here. But, something just doesn't feel right about this one.

I would be happy to get him, since this is what Gus wants but not at all cost.

What about Bill Clark? I think he deserves a shot.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 03, 2014, 10:00:29 AM
What about Bill Clark? I think he deserves a shot.
You know, I do too. I think Bill Clark would make an excellent DC. Kaos wants he, Bill and I to get a room and be gay. I guess we'll see.
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Post by: Saniflush on December 03, 2014, 10:10:11 AM
You know, I do too. I think Bill Clark would make an excellent DC. Kaos wants he, Bill and I to get a room and be gay. I guess we'll see.

A room may be too much....Maybe just get in the hot tub and fuck it out.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: The Six on December 03, 2014, 10:13:10 AM
Not that it matters since no one will watch or care, but who is going to call the defense for the bowl game? Gus? I mean, why not? Chizik called offense in 2011 if we are to believe what we've heard and seen in skreet places.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 03, 2014, 10:32:26 AM
Not that it matters since no one will watch or care, but who is going to call the defense for the bowl game? Gus? I mean, why not? Chizik called offense in 2011 if we are to believe what we've heard and seen in skreet places.

We have a defense?
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2014, 11:02:36 AM
What about Bill Clark? I think he deserves a shot.

Look, A Christmas Story is a great movie but I just don't think it is the best resume for a defensive coordinator.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Townhallsavoy on December 03, 2014, 11:07:42 AM
Not that it matters since no one will watch or care, but who is going to call the defense for the bowl game? Gus? I mean, why not? Chizik called offense in 2011 if we are to believe what we've heard and seen in skreet places.

Word is that whoever we bring in can help coach the defense in the bowl game. 
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: dallaswareagle on December 03, 2014, 11:08:26 AM
Not that it matters since no one will watch or care, but who is going to call the defense for the bowl game? Gus? I mean, why not? Chizik called offense in 2011 if we are to believe what we've heard and seen in skreet places.

We have a defense?

HUMT

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Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: The Six on December 03, 2014, 11:11:56 AM
Look, A Christmas Story is a great movie but I just don't think it is the best resume for a defensive coordinator.

But that shot in Porky's is noteworthy.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: djsimp on December 03, 2014, 11:18:32 AM
Just curious, does anyone think Bill Clark would be interested in being hired as a position coach? Just a thought. I am also curious, what is his specialty on the defense, DBs, LBs, what?
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: GH2001 on December 03, 2014, 11:20:34 AM
Just curious, does anyone think Bill Clark would be interested in being hired as a position coach? Just a thought. I am also curious, what is his specialty on the defense, DBs, LBs, what?

I hear you man. With that said, anyone thought about giving Bill Clark a chance? I hear he would be great. And is willing to meet up with random posters in hotel rooms.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 03, 2014, 11:29:42 AM
According to this article, I'm thinking it's Bill Clark. Bill Clark! Bill Clark! erreybody now....Bill Clark!
How do you guys feel about Bill Clark?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/will-muschamp-reportedly-offered-auburn-defensive-coordinator-job-145738023.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/will-muschamp-reportedly-offered-auburn-defensive-coordinator-job-145738023.html)


Will Muschamp reportedly offered Auburn defensive coordinator job

Nick Bromberg
By Nick Bromberg
1 hour ago
 
Dr. Saturday
.Will Muschamp can be Auburn's defensive coordinator if he wants the job.

According to AuburnSports.com, the former Florida coach has been offered the defensive coordinator position with the Tigers. Ellis Johnson parted ways with the school on Sunday.

From Auburn Sports:


Sources say Muschamp also has received a lucrative offer from Texas A&M, which fired defensive coordinator Mark Snyder on Sunday. Auburn has assured Muschamp that it will compete with any offer made by a university program, though at least two NFL organizations have contacted him with provisional offers.


Gus Malzahn doesn't want to pressure Muschamp and is willing to give him time to plot his next move. Muschamp hasn't given any of his suitors meaningful information regarding his personal, long-term plan.

A&M dismissed Snyder on Friday, a day after losing to LSU on Thanksgiving. Florida announced that Muschamp wouldn't be returning after losing to South Carolina at home on Nov. 15. The two SEC schools have become the leading suitors for Muschamp's services as a defensive coordinator, and his arrival will raise the perception of whichever team he joins.

Before becoming Texas' defensive coordinator and coach-in-waiting prior to being hired as Florida's head coach, Muschamp was Auburn's defensive coordinator for two seasons in 2006 and 2007.

If Muschamp doesn't go to Auburn, Auburn Sports lists UAB coach Bill Clark and Memphis defensive coordinator Barry Odom as possible candidates as well. UAB is shutting down football at the end of the school year.

Auburn's defense was No. 57 in the NCAA's total defense ranking in 2014 and gave up more than 30 points in five straight SEC games, including a 55-44 loss to Alabama to end the regular season.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: ssgaufan on December 03, 2014, 11:36:14 AM
Maybe I'm in the dark here, but what is so special about the guy from Memphis?
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: GH2001 on December 03, 2014, 11:37:43 AM
Anyone thought about Bill Clark? I heard he and Wiregrass fucked it out in the past.
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Post by: The Six on December 03, 2014, 11:38:58 AM
Ya'll are all busting nuts on the coordinator. That's important, no doubt, but what about the players? What is on the roster they can use and what will have to be recruited (or bought for you REC lurkers)? Auburn doesn't have much in terms of experience on the D-line coming back next year. And spare me the "Carl Lawson is Lawrence Taylor's illegitimate son" stuff. Does he have potential? Yes but he's as much an unknown as any of the other guys coming back. What about linebackers? Frost and 'Nova, (a.k.a. the Whiff Tackle Twins), Swain (cramp in my knees), and who else? DBs? I guess we have that other transfer from Georgia waiting in the wings but who else comes back?

Make no mistake, there's a lot here to fix on the defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 03, 2014, 11:46:52 AM
Sources say
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Post by: AUTiger1 on December 03, 2014, 11:52:15 AM
Maybe I'm in the dark here, but what is so special about the guy from Memphis?



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Barry Odom hasn't been a coordinator long, but his track record is impressive. (Kim Klement/USA TODAY Sports)
AGE: 38
ALMA MATER: Missouri, 1999
RELEVANT EXPERIENCE:
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â—¦Memphis defensive coordinator/safeties, 2012-14
â—¦Missouri safeties coach, 2009-11 (Under Gary Pinkel)
â—¦Missouri director of football ops, 2006-08 (Under Pinkel)
â—¦Missouri director of football recruiting, 2004-05 (Under Pinkel)

SCOUTING REPORT: Odom's name just now is becoming connected with positions at top-tier programs, but he was a finalist for the Arkansas coordinator job two years ago and turned down Indiana last year. He's intense, but he's never crazed. He played linebacker at Mizzou yet has become a secondary specialist. He's favors a 4-3 system that emphasizes quickness from a personnel perspective. Odom likes to create havoc by mixing in a variety of blitzes while masking his coverages. It's more about confusion. He favors a Cover-2 shell, but also used Cover-3 and Cover-0 several times per game last season. He rarely drops his box personnel below seven because he's adamant about run defense. His Memphis teams play with a lot of exuberance and energy. The Tigers were a mess before Odom arrived -- last in yards allowed -- and finished the 2014 regular season among conference leaders in both points and yards allowed.

MOST APPEALING TRAITS: Shrewd strategist, background as a recruiter, career on the rise, salary demands
POTENTIAL SNAGS: Inexperience, odd career path (landed first on-the-field job at 30)
INTANGIBLES: Odom is very popular among the intellectual sector of the football community, which could make him an appealing choice for a guy like Malzahn.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Godfather on December 03, 2014, 12:06:22 PM
Maybe I'm in the dark here, but what is so special about the guy from Memphis?
Outside whoever the fuck they play, he has increased the program drastically since his arrival.  Including they have the #24 ranked Total Defense in the nation and the #7 ranked Scoring Defense in the nation.
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Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2014, 12:48:33 PM
Ya'll are all busting nuts on the coordinator. That's important, no doubt, but what about the players? What is on the roster they can use and what will have to be recruited (or bought for you REC lurkers)? Auburn doesn't have much in terms of experience on the D-line coming back next year. And spare me the "Carl Lawson is Lawrence Taylor's illegitimate son" stuff. Does he have potential? Yes but he's as much an unknown as any of the other guys coming back. What about linebackers? Frost and 'Nova, (a.k.a. the Whiff Tackle Twins), Swain (cramp in my knees), and who else? DBs? I guess we have that other transfer from Georgia waiting in the wings but who else comes back?

Make no mistake, there's a lot here to fix on the defensive side of the ball.

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Post by: AUTailgatingRules on December 03, 2014, 12:55:22 PM
According to this article, I'm thinking it's Bill Clark. Bill Clark! Bill Clark! erreybody now....Bill Clark!
How do you guys feel about Bill Clark?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/will-muschamp-reportedly-offered-auburn-defensive-coordinator-job-145738023.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/will-muschamp-reportedly-offered-auburn-defensive-coordinator-job-145738023.html)


Will Muschamp reportedly offered Auburn defensive coordinator job

Nick Bromberg
By Nick Bromberg
1 hour ago
 
Dr. Saturday
.Will Muschamp can be Auburn's defensive coordinator if he wants the job.

According to AuburnSports.com, the former Florida coach has been offered the defensive coordinator position with the Tigers. Ellis Johnson parted ways with the school on Sunday.

From Auburn Sports:


Sources say Muschamp also has received a lucrative offer from Texas A&M, which fired defensive coordinator Mark Snyder on Sunday. Auburn has assured Muschamp that it will compete with any offer made by a university program, though at least two NFL organizations have contacted him with provisional offers.


Gus Malzahn doesn't want to pressure Muschamp and is willing to give him time to plot his next move. Muschamp hasn't given any of his suitors meaningful information regarding his personal, long-term plan.

A&M dismissed Snyder on Friday, a day after losing to LSU on Thanksgiving. Florida announced that Muschamp wouldn't be returning after losing to South Carolina at home on Nov. 15. The two SEC schools have become the leading suitors for Muschamp's services as a defensive coordinator, and his arrival will raise the perception of whichever team he joins.

Before becoming Texas' defensive coordinator and coach-in-waiting prior to being hired as Florida's head coach, Muschamp was Auburn's defensive coordinator for two seasons in 2006 and 2007.

If Muschamp doesn't go to Auburn, Auburn Sports lists UAB coach Bill Clark and Memphis defensive coordinator Barry Odom as possible candidates as well. UAB is shutting down football at the end of the school year.

Auburn's defense was No. 57 in the NCAA's total defense ranking in 2014 and gave up more than 30 points in five straight SEC games, including a 55-44 loss to Alabama to end the regular season.

The most amazing thing I see in this article is that there were 57 teams in division 1 that had a WORSE defense than us.

I feel bad for them
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Tiger Wench on December 03, 2014, 03:18:09 PM
I wish Bill the best - he's a decent guy - but I don't want him anywhere near our program.  He was one of the bammers that helped make me the rabid Auburn girl I am today via the years of teasing and brutal treatment on Monday after the Iron Bowl.  I just don't know if I could ever trust him in terms of putting Auburn first - if the money and the need to compete could overcome being raised a Turd.  Loyalty can be deep rooted in the psyche.
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Snaggletiger on December 03, 2014, 03:19:33 PM
Ya'll are all busting nuts on the coordinator. That's important, no doubt, but what about the players? What is on the roster they can use and what will have to be recruited (or bought for you REC lurkers)? Auburn doesn't have much in terms of experience on the D-line coming back next year. And spare me the "Carl Lawson is Lawrence Taylor's illegitimate son" stuff. Does he have potential? Yes but he's as much an unknown as any of the other guys coming back. What about linebackers? Frost and 'Nova, (a.k.a. the Whiff Tackle Twins), Swain (cramp in my knees), and who else? DBs? I guess we have that other transfer from Georgia waiting in the wings but who else comes back?

Make no mistake, there's a lot here to fix on the defensive side of the ball.



There's a lot of  :thumsup: in this post.  On a glass half full take, the right call on a new DC  could make an incredible difference.  Granted, they need to also make the right calls with the remaining slots in the recruiting class, but I truly believe the way they were taught in practice and the game plans, calls, formations etc.  were the biggest problems. 

Anyone notice in the last few weeks that every time an analyst broke down some of our defensive film, they were harping on wrong formations and wrong technique?  They showed one run up the middle by Chubb about 20 times to point out how Frost took on the fullback with the wrong shoulder and was completely taken out of the play.  Time and time again, it was, "Look how they're lined up here.  No way they can get to..."  "They have an overload on this side and Auburn never recognizes and adjusts to..."

COACH BIL WARNING.  In the first half, Bama had a run around their left side that I think they scored on.  The replay was shown from behind the AU defense.  Bama had it clearly overloaded on their left side and Coach BIL is screaming at the screen.  "President.  What the hell are you lining up inside the tackle for?  What the hell are you doing?"  Gimel also crashed down toward the center and the Bama back waltzed around the left side with a convoy. 

Formation?  Is that how he was taught?  Is that what was called? I'm not a coach and even I was asking WTF?

And the icing on the cake?  Oh yeah, we can cover the baddest man on the planet with a corner all night.  No need to get out of our base defense.  He's just one guy.

Coach Freeze, how were you able to keep Amari Cooper in check?

"Well, we used an over/under technique and made sure we always had....."  Right or wrong, they had a plan to account for maybe the best offensive player in the country.  We accounted for Cooper by going, "Yep, he's right over there.  Mincy's on him". 

Long rant short, the game may have passed Johnson by and making the right choice for the new DC may turn this D around quickly.     
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Kaos on December 03, 2014, 03:21:13 PM
I wish Bill the best - he's a decent guy - but I don't want him anywhere near our program.  He was one of the bammers that helped make me the rabid Auburn girl I am today via the years of teasing and brutal treatment on Monday after the Iron Bowl.  I just don't know if I could ever trust him in terms of putting Auburn first - if the money and the need to compete could overcome being raised a Turd.  Loyalty can be deep rooted in the psyche.

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Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: Saniflush on December 03, 2014, 03:24:46 PM
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What does Ole Miss have to do with this?
Title: Re: Rock Solid Source
Post by: WiregrassTiger on December 03, 2014, 03:51:28 PM
I wish Bill the best - he's a decent guy - but I don't want him anywhere near our program.  He was one of the bammers that helped make me the rabid Auburn girl I am today via the years of teasing and brutal treatment on Monday after the Iron Bowl.  I just don't know if I could ever trust him in terms of putting Auburn first - if the money and the need to compete could overcome being raised a Turd.  Loyalty can be deep rooted in the psyche.
So, no hotel trip with Bill, Kaos and me? You can take Bill and I'll do Kaos.