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Pat Dye Field => War Damn Eagle => Topic started by: AUChizad on September 15, 2014, 06:55:22 PM
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What would your Top 25 look like after week 3? Or maybe just Top 10?
This is how I would vote based on THIS year, including competition faced and performance, and what is returning from LAST year. A lot can change.
1. Auburn
2. Texas A&M
3. Oregon
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU
6. Notre Dame
7. Alabama
8. Florida State
9. Ole Miss
10. South Carolina
11. Georgia
12. Baylor
13. UCLA
14. Arizona State
15. Arkansas
16. Missouri
17. BYU
18. Nebraska
19. Kansas State
20. Mississippi State
21. Clemson
22. Wisconsin
23. Florida
24. Kentucky
25. East Carolina
USC, Stanford, Michigan State, and Ohio State, GTFO of my Top 25. Clemson & Wisconsin, you got lucky.
People will say FSU is too low, but a 37-31 4th quarter rally win against unranked Oklahoma State and 37-12 against Citadel is all you've got to show for this year so far? That earns you an unquestioned #1 spot? Give me a break. Pretty much the same goes for Bama. A showcase 10 point victory against WVU impresses me just enough for a #7 spot, albeit mostly only due to pathetic competition.
My Top 3 is a tier of its own. Big dropoff before Oklahoma. Their showpiece win is Tennessee. I guess ours is Arkansas. We both won by 24 and I think Arkansas would soundly defeat UT.
Having Notre Dame that high isn't because I'm dying to "restore them to their rightful place" as actual pollsters do. I just think that a 31-0 win over Michigan, while they suck, is still so far better than the resumes of anyone below them in my rankings. Still plenty of time for them to take a tumble, but I'll wait until they do.
Arkansas, as much as I hate BERT, should be at least ranked in the Top 25 at this point. They're not in the top 40 schools receiving votes. Pretty ridiculous. I think if they were in the East, they would be in contention for Atlanta.
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What would your Top 25 look like after week 3? Or maybe just Top 10?
This is how I would vote based on THIS year, including competition faced and performance, and what is returning from LAST year. A lot can change.
1. Auburn
2. Texas A&M
3. Oregon
4. Oklahoma
5. LSU
6. Notre Dame
7. Alabama
8. Florida State
9. Ole Miss
10. South Carolina
11. Georgia
12. Baylor
13. UCLA
14. Arizona State
15. Arkansas
16. Missouri
17. BYU
18. Nebraska
19. Kansas State
20. Mississippi State
21. Clemson
22. Wisconsin
23. Florida
24. Kentucky
25. East Carolina
USC, Stanford, Michigan State, and Ohio State, GTFO of my Top 25. Clemson & Wisconsin, you got lucky.
People will say FSU is too low, but a 37-31 4th quarter rally win against unranked Oklahoma State and 37-12 against Citadel is all you've got to show for this year so far? That earns you an unquestioned #1 spot? Give me a break. Pretty much the same goes for Bama. A showcase 10 point victory against WVU impresses me just enough for a #7 spot, albeit mostly only due to pathetic competition.
My Top 3 is a tier of its own. Big dropoff before Oklahoma. Their showpiece win is Tennessee. I guess ours is Arkansas. We both won by 24 and I think Arkansas would soundly defeat UT.
Having Notre Dame that high isn't because I'm dying to "restore them to their rightful place" as actual pollsters do. I just think that a 31-0 win over Michigan, while they suck, is still so far better than the resumes of anyone below them in my rankings. Still plenty of time for them to take a tumble, but I'll wait until they do.
Arkansas, as much as I hate BERT, should be at least ranked in the Top 25 at this point. They're not in the top 40 schools receiving votes. Pretty ridiculous. I think if they were in the East, they would be in contention for Atlanta.
I don't like #s 2, 4, 6 or 9 in my top ten and not sold on UCLA as a top 15 yet.
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Michigan State?
This is a team that would beat Oregon in a rematch and most of the others on any given day.
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#1 Auburn
#everyone else can sodomize themselves with a splintered ax handle.
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I don't like #s 2, 4, 6 or 9 in my top ten and not sold on UCLA as a top 15 yet.
It's hard because hardly anyone has impressed all that much.
If not these teams, what's your Top 10 look like?
A&M has the best win of the season so far.
As I said, not crazy about OU in my top 4, but who else? At least they've beaten an SEC school and haven't shat the bed yet. Already justified Notre Dame. Boise & Vandy is pretty much equal to Bama's schedule of WVU and nobody.
That was kind of the point of this excercise. Who is that impressive so far this year?
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Michigan State?
This is a team that would beat Oregon in a rematch and most of the others on any given day.
Serious, Clark?
Then why'd they get their shit pushed in when they actually played them?
Based on what? Jacksonville State?
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#1 Auburn
#25 Alabama
I don't want to come off as too biased and have that other school unranked. Put whomever you want in between.
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1. Auburn-
Best offense. The front seven on defense will improve as year progresses with enough stops up front to tilt scores per possession in its favor.
2. Oregon-
The difference between the Ducks and Tigers is up front on both sides of the ball. I think this time Oregon with a healthy Mariota makes the playoffs going undefeated and winning the PAC 12.
3. Michigan State-
It's no shame losing to Oregon any more than it was Auburn losing to FSU in the NCG. This is a very good team that I think will get better and will be better overall than the Big Twelve Champion at season's end.
4. Florida State-
Still have to credit them with the ability to win games no matter the score and if you flinch they will find a way to win. Schedule indicates they will be one of the four.
5. Alabama-
QB situation is stable but not enough to scare anybody. The playmakers are what makes the difference and they have plenty. Alabama hasn't played anybody yet and it will be interesting to see how their offense responds when their defense is actually being challenged.
6. LSU-
Jennings is talented but lacks experience and hasn't really been tested in a big game yet but like Alabama, this team will improve and will figure heavily in the SEC West.
7. Missouri-
This team is loaded with veterans but not overly talented yet to me it has more going for it with Mauck at QB than do the other SEC East teams. Not sure they could stop Gurley and company but they can go toe to toe with South Carolina if Thompson isn't on his game.
8. Baylor-
Petty truly is a system QB and unless a team can put pressure on him or disrupt the pass routes this team can hang 40 on anybody. The defense is sort of built like Oregon's, just not as talented.
9. South Carolina-
See Michigan State for teams with one loss. This is a good team if it shows up and I think they proved it against Georgia. Not sold on the QB yet although he can hit an open receiver.
10. Georgia- This is a good team that IMO has a QB with playmakers similar to that of Alabama. When Georgia is able to run the ball about 40+ times and mix in play action effectively there's no stopping them.
They have similar challenges to many of those above with pass defense.
Others: Oklahoma, Arizona State, Wisconsin, Mississippi St. and Texas A&M.
More: Ole Miss, East Carolina, Kansas State, Notre Dame, UCLA, Ohio State, Arkansas, BYU, Clemson and
Nebraska
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Serious, Clark?
Then why'd they get their shit pushed in when they actually played them?
Based on what? Jacksonville State?
I think Oregon and Auburn are better than Michigan State but I haven't seen another team that can beat them...not yet. To your question, yes I'm serious. See Auburn 2010 and 2013. Losing a game can often have a lasting effect on a team but again, losing to maybe Oregon's best overall team since before Chip Kelly doesn't destroy ones entire season. The final score of the game, at least to me, is insignificant.
I do think we trip up once but still win the SEC and make the final four along with Oregon and FSU. Michigan State IMO just so happens to be my favorite over the Big Twelve teams with no playoff, the rest of the PAC 12, the rest of the Big Ten teams and forget the ACC.
My guess is that Baylor or Oklahoma will get the final spot though.
And I DO NOT think this panel allows a second SEC team in the playoff.
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#1 Auburn
#everyone else can sodomize themselves with a splintered ax handle.
This for the uncomfortable win.
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I don't know if I can do a top 25.
I think at this point, you have to put Oregon at #1. Is Michigan State a better opponent than Arkansas? I would say so. Oregon handled Michigan State better than Auburn handled Arkansas.
I agree that Notre Dame should be up there, but I couldn't tell you if they're really that good or not.
Alabama may not have played the best opponents, but they did at least play a neutral site game against a Power 5 conference opponent.
Similar with Florida State.
And then there's BYU. Based on the rules of the OP, you have to put BYU way up there. I think out of the entire country, they've played the 2nd toughest three game stretch yet (South Carolina). I know Georgia's played two Power 5 opponents, but they did have a week off in between. BYU absolutely destroyed Texas AT Texas, and they haven't had much trouble with their other two opponents as well.
And then there's Miss State. You included who they return from last year. They return everybody and then some on defense, and that defense was pretty stout last season. They also have a returning QB. Maybe not championship material, but where do we put them? How much more does #9 Ole Miss have that #20 Miss State doesn't?
I think I'd put Auburn #2 or #3. Our offense looks unstoppable and we haven't really had to try that hard yet. Everyone keeps gushing over the strength of the SEC West, and we've already won an SEC West conference game, and we won by 24 points. But the defense has me a bit wary at times.
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I don't know if I can do a top 25.
I think at this point, you have to put Oregon at #1. Is Michigan State a better opponent than Arkansas? I would say so. Oregon handled Michigan State better than Auburn handled Arkansas.
I agree that Notre Dame should be up there, but I couldn't tell you if they're really that good or not.
Alabama may not have played the best opponents, but they did at least play a neutral site game against a Power 5 conference opponent.
Similar with Florida State.
And then there's BYU. Based on the rules of the OP, you have to put BYU way up there. I think out of the entire country, they've played the 2nd toughest three game stretch yet (South Carolina). I know Georgia's played two Power 5 opponents, but they did have a week off in between. BYU absolutely destroyed Texas AT Texas, and they haven't had much trouble with their other two opponents as well.
And then there's Miss State. You included who they return from last year. They return everybody and then some on defense, and that defense was pretty stout last season. They also have a returning QB. Maybe not championship material, but where do we put them? How much more does #9 Ole Miss have that #20 Miss State doesn't?
I think I'd put Auburn #2 or #3. Our offense looks unstoppable and we haven't really had to try that hard yet. Everyone keeps gushing over the strength of the SEC West, and we've already won an SEC West conference game, and we won by 24 points. But the defense has me a bit wary at times.
BYU narrowly escaped Houston 33-25 but they still won right?
Notre Dame Imo must re-prove themselves over the course of the season.
I suppose most of us thought B.C. upset USC right? Look at the stats. The Trojans we're humiliated.
I thought State might be the team that gets us in between two tough games as did Prowler. I still think it happens.
Michigan State is a tough assed team with an excellent college QB running the show but they might lose again... I just don't think so.
We lost to LSU last season and we simply got better as the season progressed.
The honks are pointing out certain teams they like saying "this year's Auburn."
The season is a marathon, not a sprint.
I can only do a do a final ranking as the teams might finish, not week to week because it is still too early and we just now are getting past the cupcakes. Speaking of which...we really know nothing of TAMU and conversely LSU...not yet.
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#1 Auburn
#everyone else can sodomize themselves with a splintered ax handle.
Good answer... Good answer.... I like the way you think. I'm gonna be watching you.
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Aub, Aggy, Oregon, Oklahoma (maybe).....in no particular order. Those are the best 4 teams in the country right now. And thats all that matters after the last game.
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3. Michigan State-
It's no shame losing to Oregon any more than it was Auburn losing to FSU in the NCG. This is a very good team that I think will get better and will be better overall than the Big Twelve Champion at season's end.
Are you high? What is with the Michigan State love? They're .500. There's about 50+ DI schools with better records right now. They lost 46-27 and the complete and utter domination in the 2nd half makes it not even close. Maybe I could see the gushing over this team if there was another halfway decent win on this schedule, but their only other game is one in which they couldn't get a 40 point margin of victory over Jacksonville State, the joke FCS school in Alabama. That's your #3 team in the country? Just one spot below the team that prison raped them and about 15 spots above A&M? Are you serious? The B1G is eliminated FOR SURE from the Top 10 IMO. I can see justification for some of them scraping the bottom, but #3 is goddamn ridiculous.
4. Florida State-
Still have to credit them with the ability to win games no matter the score and if you flinch they will find a way to win. Schedule indicates they will be one of the four.
Not a fan of rewarding teams for cupcake schedules. How do they look against who they've played so far? Like they could and probably will lose to Florida, the maybe 10th or 11th best SEC team.
8. Baylor-
Petty truly is a system QB and unless a team can put pressure on him or disrupt the pass routes this team can hang 40 on anybody. The defense is sort of built like Oregon's, just not as talented.
Fine...for now...I'm not gushing over wins to SMU, Northwestern St, and Buffalo unless they're all >50 point blowouts.
9. South Carolina-
See Michigan State for teams with one loss. This is a good team if it shows up and I think they proved it against Georgia. Not sold on the QB yet although he can hit an open receiver.
10. Georgia- This is a good team that IMO has a QB with playmakers similar to that of Alabama. When Georgia is able to run the ball about 40+ times and mix in play action effectively there's no stopping them.
They have similar challenges to many of those above with pass defense.
Others: Oklahoma, Arizona State, Wisconsin, Mississippi St. and Texas A&M.
Again, what planet are you watching these games from? South Carolina #9, but the undefeated team who prolapsed their anus is a distant honorable mention? How?
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UGA is a one trick pony with decent LB play from Herrera and NOTHING ELSE. You can't give the ball to Gurley every single play. Even after just 20 carries, the guy is noticeably tired when running after a few seconds. Watch and see. They will try and run him ragged before the season is over. Their secondary may be the worst in the sec...yes, moreso than SCe or Aggy.
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I think at this point, you have to put Oregon at #1. Is Michigan State a better opponent than Arkansas? I would say so. Oregon handled Michigan State better than Auburn handled Arkansas.
Fair enough, but at this point, I'm not as sure as everyone else that Michigan State is that much better than Arkansas, if any. I agree with GH2001 that Auburn, A&M, & Oregon, in any order you want to put them in are Top 3. Oklahoma gets to lead the distant next tier.
And then there's Miss State. You included who they return from last year. They return everybody and then some on defense, and that defense was pretty stout last season. They also have a returning QB.
And they went .500 with that team last year. Returning starters doesn't equal a great team if those starters were mediocre to shitty to begin with.
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Also, I probably had East Carolina too low at #25. Really should be up in the Top 15 around SCe & Georgia's neighborhood.
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Not a fan of rewarding teams for cupcake schedules. How do they look against who they've played so far? Like they could and probably will lose to Florida, the maybe 10th or 11th best SEC team.
Disagree here. You obviously didn't watch UF vs UK game. UK is improved but Florida still looks like reheated baby puke, and their secondary was exposed. FSU would stomp that ass at this point.
Don't really have many thoughts on the matter. I would probably have Oregon at #1, Auburn #2 and FSU #3.
Oregon has the highest quality win over us and anyone else.
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Alabama, Notre Dame, Penn State and Texas. These teams haven't hit their stride yet but this may very well be your final 4. You have to figure tradition into the equation. It's what the country wants to see and the selection committee realizes this.
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What about THE Ohio State?
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Disagree here. You obviously didn't watch UF vs UK game. UK is improved but Florida still looks like reheated baby puke, and their secondary was exposed. FSU would stomp that ass at this point.
Oh, I know. Like I said, 10th or 11th best SEC team. Only ahead of Vandy (obviously) and maybe Kentucky (since they beat them) and Tennessee. Maybe one other East team or a Mississippi team that hasn't had a chance to shit the bed yet.
But that's how not-impressive FSU is. Have you watched them?
Once again, they've played two games. They needed a bad call touchdown-that-wasn't to squeak by unranked Oklahoma State. Yeah, OSU finally cracked the Top 25 this week, on the basis that A) There ain't a lot to choose from, and B) THEY ALMOST BEAT FSU! Relatively close games against Missouri State & the UTSA Roadrunners are the other games on OSU's schedule so far. The other FSU game was a 37-12 victory over Citadel. The team caused Auburn to get left out of the championship in 2004 just because even playing them at all was too big of a stain on our schedule. At least Florida decimated Eastern Michigan 65-0.
Right now Florida > FSU in a cripple fight, even though I didn't rank them that way based on last year's reputation alone, which is a dumb reason to hold them up as high as I did.
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Also, I probably had East Carolina too low at #25. Really should be up in the Top 15 around SCe & Georgia's neighborhood.
I get that you are amazed at the teams I think can finish strong, some that benefit from an easy schedule. But if you look for blowouts and comparative scoring as your sole criteria for rankings then it's probably good that you not make many wagers unless you are hellbent on doing street shows in New Orleans after they take your keyboard.
The season rolls off like chapters and teams progress like AU 2010 lest we have short memories believing we steamrolled every team we played.
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I get that you are amazed at the teams I think can finish strong, some that benefit from an easy schedule. But if you look for blowouts and comparative scoring as your sole criteria for rankings then it's probably good that you not make many wagers unless you are hellbent on doing street shows in New Orleans after they take your keyboard.
The season rolls off like chapters and teams progress like AU 2010 lest we have short memories believing we steamrolled every team we played.
Except that we're in Week 3. And if that's all we have to go on, that's all we have to go on in a meritocracy, which is what I believe the polls should be.
If you want to rank your top five like this:
Alabama, Notre Dame, Penn State and Texas. These teams haven't hit their stride yet but this may very well be your final 4. You have to figure tradition into the equation. It's what the country wants to see and the selection committee realizes this.
As Wiregrass was clearly joking about, go right ahead, but it isn't based on any actual merit earned on the field this season.
People shit on the comparative scoring methodology, but it is to me, the strongest indicator, in a sea of many other indicators, as to where a team ranks. It's called playing the games on the field. What we finally thankfully agreed to move to in the CFB Playoff.
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http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/ (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/)
This is likely what computer rating lovers want to see from week to week. It was part of the recently discarded formula and has been around for several decades. Strength of schedule is calculated into this formula.
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I've seen Mississippi State play. They are not good. Prescott is highly overrated.
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I've seen Mississippi State play. They are not good. Prescott is highly overrated.
Yes and Ponce de Leon was a famous explorer.
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I've seen Mississippi State play. They are not good. Prescott is highly overrated.
Which is why I am conflicted on them and LSU this weekend. I think they are both sketchy. I guess at least LSU did beat Wisky. But they have been equally unimpressive otherwise.
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Which is why I am conflicted on them and LSU this weekend. I think they are both sketchy. I guess at least LSU did beat Wisky. But they have been equally unimpressive otherwise.
Ah yes, the mystique of Les Miles.
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LSU started with Wisky and they've played 2 cupcakes since in Samuel Adams State and the mighty Warsquawks of La. Monroe. However, the Badgers got a score in the 3rd quarter and LSU hasn't been scored on since. Meaning again, LSU will have a ton of athletes on the field defensively and they'll continue to pound the ball between the tackles. Not a fan of LSU but I want them to whip that MSU ass to a soda water finish.
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LSU started with Wisky and they've played 2 cupcakes since in Samuel Adams State and the mighty Warsquawks of La. Monroe. However, the Badgers got a score in the 3rd quarter and LSU hasn't been scored on since. Meaning again, LSU will have a ton of athletes on the field defensively and they'll continue to pound the ball between the tackles. Not a fan of LSU but I want them to whip that MSU ass to a soda water finish.
LSU might be our toughest game and we do need them to put a punishing loss on State.
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LSU might be our toughest game and we do need them to put a punishing loss on State.
I kind of take the mindset of LSU always being good. 10-3 last year and it was a "down" year. Regardless, we're going to have to play our best to beat them. It's the upstart MSU's and Ole Missies of the world that I need to receive a savage beatdown so the reality sets back in that they still are and will always be Mississippi teams. A ton of hype that it's their year until an LSU or Bama or Auburn bitch slaps them and sends em' back to the corner.
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I kind of take the mindset of LSU always being good. 10-3 last year and it was a "down" year. Regardless, we're going to have to play our best to beat them. It's the upstart MSU's and Ole Missies of the world that I need to receive a savage beatdown so the reality sets back in that they still are and will always be Mississippi teams. A ton of hype that it's their year until an LSU or Bama or Auburn bitch slaps them and sends em' back to the corner.
TAMU also struts around like they own the place. They need to get checked as well.
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TAMU also struts around like they own the place. They need to get checked as well.
Wiff ya.
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TAMU also struts around like they own the place. They need to get checked as well.
TAMU will get at least 2 skull draggings this year. I just hope we give them one of them.
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TAMU also struts around like they own the place. They need to get checked as well.
ZOMG THIS^^^^^^^
Y'all, it's like Aggieland done moved in e'errywhur. Lots of brand new shirts and hats and stickers...
The bandwagon is out in full force, ESPECIALLY with the Teasips getting goat fucked on the regular now...
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This week instead of a new Top 25, I will rank my biggest problem with the AP's Top 25.
5. Ohio State #22
You won 34-17 against Navy and a pounding of Kent State. Congrats. BUT YOU STILL LOST TO VIRGINIA TECH.
How's VT doing? Their only other win so far is a 34-9 win over William & Mary. They lost to East Carolina and now Georgia Tech (who if you haven't been keeping up, are awful and barely beat Tulane & Georgia Southern) as well.
Until they beat a decent team, there are plenty more worthy candidates behind you or not ranked at all.
4. Stanford #16
You've beaten UC Davis and Army and failed to put up huge offensive scores on either. And you LOST to USC who clearly sucks as demonstrated by my next pick...
3.USC #18
You lost to Boston College. Buh bye. In case anyone thought they may "not be your grandfather's Boston College". They're 0-1 in the ACC by losing to Pitt, who lost to Iowa, so yeah, they are.
Just because you beat Stanford in a 13-10 cripple fight is not enough to warrant you a spot.
2. Arkansas still unranked.
The only unranked team in the SEC west is the one SEC team we already beat. I take this as a huge fuck you to Auburn. They have blown the doors off of everyone they've played but us. Liquidated Nicholls State 73-7. (I know, they are awful, but that's still an ass pounding). Then they were the underdog to Texas Tech and they whipped them into the ground 49-28. They played a previously unbeaten Northern Illinois this weekend (a team not as good as Tech, but considerably better than Nichols St.) and prolapsed their anus 52-14 as well. Their next two games are A&M and Alabama. They will, for good reason, be underdogs in those games. But laugh all you want, but I think they make more of a game out of both of those than anyone expects.
Regardless, for what they've done so far and only dropping one to last year's SEC Champion/National Title defender/Current unbeaten #5 team, they should be lightyears ahead Ohio State, Stanford, and USC and...*
1. Michigan Fucking State #9.
Why?? Why is ANY one loss team in the Top 10? And if they are, why is it a team that has only beaten Jacksonville State thirty something points and East Michigan by a little more than that? Why does losing 46-27 to a team that held on for dear life against unranked Washington State (with their own losses to Rutgers and Nevada already) award them that kind ranking? Arkansas is unranked and to me have a far better resume after four weeks of football, and yet they're unranked and Michigan State prances in at #9?!? WHY?!?
*In addition to these four teams, Arkansas should be ranked before Georgia, South Carolina (they at least lost to a team ranked almost as high as Auburn), Wisconsin, LSU, and Oklahoma State.
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Coach Bielema sends his love.
We can't know what happens to a team the week following a loss or how good or bad the team that beat them will play against a perceived weaker opponent. re: Michigan State and Oregon
But I agree that the ranking in the polls is skewed by the opinion that these teams will eventually be there in the end so why drop them accordingly as they would those of lesser renown.
The words fair and deserving are the stuff of fairy tales.
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I think the pollsters are waiting to see what Arky does this weekend. They played us tough for a half and have ran through everyone else (which they should have since they are a better team than those they beat). I think the public wants to see them get a signature win. They started off with a winning record last year as well against inferior competition (from the eyes of the pollsters). But I personally think they should be ranked. They are tough and physical and have a great stable of RB's. Sick of hearing about UGA's and Bammer's RBs. Arky's are as good as anyone's to me.
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I think the pollsters are waiting to see what Arky does this weekend. They played us tough for a half and have ran through everyone else (which they should have since they are a better team than those they beat). I think the public wants to see them get a signature win. They started off with a winning record last year as well against inferior competition (from the eyes of the pollsters). But I personally think they should be ranked. They are tough and physical and have a great stable of RB's. Sick of hearing about UGA's and Bammer's RBs. Arky's are as good as anyone's to me.
As much as I hate to say it, Bielema has impressed me this year. I did not expect them to be improved enough to stick with Auburn for a half.