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The Library => Haley Center Basement => Topic started by: bgreene on August 10, 2014, 08:27:41 AM
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Tony Stewart video that killed driver.
http://youtu.be/qILmIyG6qno (http://youtu.be/qILmIyG6qno)
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There's one more dumbass removed from the gene pool.
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Maybe the lawyers of the board can opine, but it seems like this video shows that drivers had the ability to avoid the idiot and Tony Stewart made no effort to. Further, from the audio, you can hear Stewart's engine get louder as he speeds into the guy. Would this be evidence for a manslaughter charge?
On second thought, it was night time, a dirt track, and the guy was wearing a black suit. Stewart probably really didn't see the guy there.
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The dipshit should have stayed in his car. Young punks have got to recognize that no one bows up on Smoke.
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Maybe the lawyers of the board can opine, but it seems like this video shows that drivers had the ability to avoid the idiot and Tony Stewart made no effort to. Further, from the audio, you can hear Stewart's engine get louder as he speeds into the guy. Would this be evidence for a manslaughter charge?
It looked/sounded to me like Stewart was trying to avoid the guy when you hear the engine revving and can see his car swerve.
Agree the guy's a dumbass for walking accross a track during a race.
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It looked/sounded to me like Stewart was trying to avoid the guy when you hear the engine revving and can see his car swerve.
Agree the guy's a dumbass for walking accross a track during a race.
According to other drivers, a sprint car will have the back end slightly fishtail, or "swerve," when you hit the throttle and rev the engine. Also according to other drivers, Tony Stewart was revving his engine as a means of responding to Kevin Ward's gestures. There's no other reason to suddenly and briefly rev your engine while under caution.
Stewart, having grown up driving these sprint cars, was at least reckless because he knew how the car would react and shouldn't have attempted such a maneuver while going by a driver. Of course, Ward contributed to this by being on the track in the first place, but Stewart certainly didn't help the situation by making his car fish tail while driving by him.
Only Stewart knows, but I don't think it was intentional. Nonetheless, he's well known for being a hothead and probably made a reckless decision that he shouldn't have made.
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I smell a payday coming for someone.
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According to other drivers, a sprint car will have the back end slightly fishtail, or "swerve," when you hit the throttle and rev the engine. Also according to other drivers, Tony Stewart was revving his engine as a means of responding to Kevin Ward's gestures. There's no other reason to suddenly and briefly rev your engine while under caution.
Stewart, having grown up driving these sprint cars, was at least reckless because he knew how the car would react and shouldn't have attempted such a maneuver while going by a driver. Of course, Ward contributed to this by being on the track in the first place, but Stewart certainly didn't help the situation by making his car fish tail while driving by him.
Only Stewart knows, but I don't think it was intentional. Nonetheless, he's well known for being a hothead and probably made a reckless decision that he shouldn't have made.
I think getting out of your car and placing yourself in the middle of a race track to try and prove to the small town crowd what a badass you are to Tony Stewart, was much more of a reckless decision. This was an accident caused by the guy's own stupidity. Darwin Award Candidate even. In the end, the ultimate root cause of the whole thing was his decision to jump out of his car and into traffic.
The way the car swerved (with the posi trac rear that sprint cars have) indicate he tried to accelerate the car in the OTHER direction to try and avoid the idiot.
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The way the car swerved (with the posi trac rear that sprint cars have) indicate he tried to accelerate the car in the OTHER direction to try and avoid the idiot.
Thank you, Ms. Vito.
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Thank you, Ms. Vito.
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Maybe I said it because Ive done it. Its how they operate. Sue me.
But hey, you guys enjoy your witch hunt.
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Maybe I said it because Ive done it. Its how they operate. Sue me.
But hey, you guys enjoy your witch hunt.
Fuck's sake. I don't have a dog in the fight here. I just heard "posi-trac" in Tomei's voice when I read your post.
Commence with the unbunching of thou breeches.
The goddamned football season cannot start one second too soon. Everybody is so fucking wound up lately.
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Fuck's sake. I don't have a dog in the fight here. I just heard "posi-trac" in Tomei's voice when I read your post.
Commence with the unbunching of thou breeches.
The goddamned football season cannot start one second too soon. Everybody is so fucking wound up lately.
What's a yewt?
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What's a yewt?
Two what?
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I think getting out of your car and placing yourself in the middle of a race track to try and prove to the small town crowd what a badass you are to Tony Stewart, was much more of a reckless decision. This was an accident caused by the guy's own stupidity. Darwin Award Candidate even. In the end, the ultimate root cause of the whole thing was his decision to jump out of his car and into traffic.
The way the car swerved (with the posi trac rear that sprint cars have) indicate he tried to accelerate the car in the OTHER direction to try and avoid the idiot.
I'm just going by what the other drivers have said, but I also personally (without having any firsthand knowledge about these cars) don't see why one would have to accelerate in order to steer the car away from an obstacle. The car in front of Stewart didn't do it. And they're under caution, so there shouldn't be any need to do anything other than steer the car. It's not like he was going 100MPH and had to do something special with the car to make it avoid a human.
As far as the guy being on the track, yes, it was reckless. But again, doesn't change the fact that Stewart made a poor decision to rev his engine at the guy in order to try to show him that he's the bigger bad ass (again, assuming that's what he did, according to the other drivers and based on Stewart's history of assholery). If a guy's hunting and has his rifle aimed, and you walk in front of him pointing your finger at him to show your displeasure of his hunting, that's a dumb decision. But it doesn't mean that the hunter is making a sound decision when he decides to pull the trigger while you're still standing in front of him, thinking that he would be able to miss you.
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Once again we are judging intent and that's hard to do. Just like with the cases of forgetting kids left in the car, etc.
I don't believe Stewart hit him on purpose but who knows? Dude was in a black suit on a dimly lit track. I'm HOPING it was an accident.
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Thank you, Ms. Vito.
(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn16/wesf9977/18-MT-MarisaTomei-MyCousinVinny_zps3827b4c1.jpg) (http://s300.photobucket.com/user/wesf9977/media/18-MT-MarisaTomei-MyCousinVinny_zps3827b4c1.jpg.html)
Yes!!!
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Once again we are judging intent and that's hard to do. Just like with the cases of forgetting kids left in the car, etc.
I don't believe Stewart hit him on purpose but who knows? Dude was in a black suit on a dimly lit track. I'm HOPING it was an accident.
Other drivers have also said that peripheral vision in those cars are for shit. So it is very possible he did not see him until the last minute and tried to avoid him. I know they weren't going 100 mph but they figured to be going 40-50 and even at that speed catching something out of the corner of your eye would make you react.
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The tires on those things are wider too, and one report on ESPN said that's what clipped the guy - the outer rim of the tire.
Should have followed track safety rules and stayed in his damn car.
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All I heard was one dumbass got out of his car and died and one dumbass stayed in his car and lived....just sayin.
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I'm just going by what the other drivers have said, but I also personally (without having any firsthand knowledge about these cars) don't see why one would have to accelerate in order to steer the car away from an obstacle. The car in front of Stewart didn't do it. And they're under caution, so there shouldn't be any need to do anything other than steer the car. It's not like he was going 100MPH and had to do something special with the car to make it avoid a human.
As far as the guy being on the track, yes, it was reckless. But again, doesn't change the fact that Stewart made a poor decision to rev his engine at the guy in order to try to show him that he's the bigger bad ass (again, assuming that's what he did, according to the other drivers and based on Stewart's history of assholery). If a guy's hunting and has his rifle aimed, and you walk in front of him pointing your finger at him to show your displeasure of his hunting, that's a dumb decision. But it doesn't mean that the hunter is making a sound decision when he decides to pull the trigger while you're still standing in front of him, thinking that he would be able to miss you.
Your gun scenario is not the same thing. Now had a guy walked on to a gun range with 30 people shooting, and decided that he would just walk out in front of everyone just to yell at the person at the other end of the line, chances are he is going to get shot. Not on purpose, but because the shooters are focused on the target, and that it is supposed to be a safe range. Now you have guy thinking he can move out of the way of a bullet, and BOOM! There goes his face.
If you don't want to get run over by a race car at a dirt track, then don't walk out on the track in front of all the cars.
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It's kind of Stewartlike to maybe dust a guy but not to do him harm. And he might have considered it in those moments only Ward kept advancing so dangerously close that he went under the car. And since Stewart made no damning statement no intent can be proven.
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I STILL don't know who won the damn race.
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I STILL don't know who won the damn race.
It was'nt Ward
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It was'nt Ward
I didn't even know they had drill presses on the track?
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Your gun scenario is not the same thing. Now had a guy walked on to a gun range with 30 people shooting, and decided that he would just walk out in front of everyone just to yell at the person at the other end of the line, chances are he is going to get shot. Not on purpose, but because the shooters are focused on the target, and that it is supposed to be a safe range. Now you have guy thinking he can move out of the way of a bullet, and BOOM! There goes his face.
If you don't want to get run over by a race car at a dirt track, then don't walk out on the track in front of all the cars.
Your gun range scenario assumes that Stewart didn't see Ward. And while I don't know whether Stewart did or didn't see him, we do know that Stewart was aware that there was a wreck. Other drivers went lower on the track than Stewart did. Other drivers did not hit Ward. And there was a caution, so it's not quite the same as people normally shooting at targets and assuming it's safe.
I certainly don't think Stewart wanted to hit the guy, but given his history, the ability of the other drivers to stay far away from the crash, the ability of the other drivers to not hit Ward, and the fact that Stewart revved his engine, I'm assuming (but am not claiming to know 100%) that he had the intent to scare Ward, throw dirt on him, or just "voice" his opinion/displeasure/whatever by revving the engine.
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Your gun range scenario assumes that Stewart didn't see Ward. And while I don't know whether Stewart did or didn't see him, we do know that Stewart was aware that there was a wreck. Other drivers went lower on the track than Stewart did. Other drivers did not hit Ward. And there was a caution, so it's not quite the same as people normally shooting at targets and assuming it's safe.
I certainly don't think Stewart wanted to hit the guy, but given his history, the ability of the other drivers to stay far away from the crash, the ability of the other drivers to not hit Ward, and the fact that Stewart revved his engine, I'm assuming (but am not claiming to know 100%) that he had the intent to scare Ward, throw dirt on him, or just "voice" his opinion/displeasure/whatever by revving the engine.
Ward also didn't put himself as close to them as he did Stewart's car. He singled him out and was looking for him evidenced by the hand gestures. It makes perfect sense that Stewart gunned it to the left to try and avoid hitting him when he saw the dummy was too close. On that kind of rear end (posi) with a banked track, if he gives it gas to the LEFT, the right tire ONLY would have had traction thus fish tailing the car back to the right afterwards.
To me, its just a sad and unfortunate accident. Tony meant no harm to this guy. And again, going back to the root cause, this guy's own negligence and stupidity caused it. Not Stewart.
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Ward also didn't put himself as close to them as he did Stewart's car. He singled him out and was looking for him evidenced by the hand gestures. It makes perfect sense that Stewart gunned it to the left to try and avoid hitting him when he saw the dummy was too close. On that kind of rear end (posi) with a banked track, if he gives it gas to the LEFT, the right tire ONLY would have had traction thus fish tailing the car back to the right afterwards.
To me, its just a sad and unfortunate accident. Tony meant no harm to this guy. And again, going back to the root cause, this guy's own negligence and stupidity caused it. Not Stewart.
It's hard to tell whether Ward put himself closer to Stewart. Yeah, he was looking for him so as to point at him, and was moving down the track until at least right before the #45 car came by, but the fact that Stewart came so close is in part due to the fact that he was higher up on the track. You can tell that Stewart is riding higher on the track than several of the other cars, including the #45 directly in front of him. However, I don't know whether he was that high before he came into the frame, or whether he was lower on the track and then went higher in an attempt to "buzz" Ward. The limited view and jittery camera work doesn't help to determine a lot of things.
But my main point is that if Stewart revved the engine in an attempt to swing the car so as to scare Ward, that's reckless. And while Ward put himself in that situation, it's not fair to take all blame off of Stewart for doing something dumb if he was aware of Ward being on the track and was trying to scare him. Again, I don't know that's what happened, but like jmar said, it's certainly not unlike Stewart and isn't outside the realm of possibilities.
It's sort of like saying that a kid was stupid for playing in the street, and that a driver who hits the kid because they wanted to get as close as possible to scare them from ever wanting to play in the street again is not in the wrong or culpable to any degree for the resulting death of the kid. Person A's initial stupidity/recklessness does not give Person B free reign to do whatever and not be held liable. You still have the responsibility to act reasonably and avoid causing harm. Whether you're able to reasonably do so is certainly a defense, but that defense usually goes out the window if you also act recklessly. At that point in time, comparative or contributory negligence (depending on the state) would determine Stewart's civil liability, and it would also play a part if any criminal charges were brought.
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It's hard to tell whether Ward put himself closer to Stewart. Yeah, he was looking for him so as to point at him, and was moving down the track until at least right before the #45 car came by, but the fact that Stewart came so close is in part due to the fact that he was higher up on the track. You can tell that Stewart is riding higher on the track than several of the other cars, including the #45 directly in front of him. However, I don't know whether he was that high before he came into the frame, or whether he was lower on the track and then went higher in an attempt to "buzz" Ward. The limited view and jittery camera work doesn't help to determine a lot of things.
But my main point is that if Stewart revved the engine in an attempt to swing the car so as to scare Ward, that's reckless. And while Ward put himself in that situation, it's not fair to take all blame off of Stewart for doing something dumb if he was aware of Ward being on the track and was trying to scare him. Again, I don't know that's what happened, but like jmar said, it's certainly not unlike Stewart and isn't outside the realm of possibilities.
It's sort of like saying that a kid was stupid for playing in the street, and that a driver who hits the kid because they wanted to get as close as possible to scare them from ever wanting to play in the street again is not in the wrong or culpable to any degree for the resulting death of the kid. Person A's initial stupidity/recklessness does not give Person B free reign to do whatever and not be held liable. You still have the responsibility to act reasonably and avoid causing harm. Whether you're able to reasonably do so is certainly a defense, but that defense usually goes out the window if you also act recklessly. At that point in time, comparative or contributory negligence (depending on the state) would determine Stewart's civil liability, and it would also play a part if any criminal charges were brought.
If I would on trial, I would want you as my lawyer. At least you would bullshit everyone to death for longer than any other lawyer. I would at least have those extra months out on bail...
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If I would on trial, I would want you as my lawyer. At least you would bullshit everyone to death for longer than any other lawyer. I would at least have those extra months out on bail...
Fact Shark Week
Plus he's so tiny you can almost put him in your pocket. Tiny pocket lawyer!
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If I would on trial, I would want you as my lawyer. At least you would bullshit everyone to death for longer than any other lawyer. I would at least have those extra months out on bail...
I Googled, "Who gives a shit?"
My name didn't come up.
Is that short enough, or should I post a picture of me throwing a ring into a volcano?
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I Googled, "Who gives a shit?"
My name didn't come up.
Is that short enough, or should I post a picture of me throwing a ring into a volcano?
Ring into a volcano....are you talking about your penis ring again?
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If I would on trial, I would want you as my lawyer. At least you would bullshoot everyone to death for longer than any other lawyer. I would at least have those extra months out on bail...
Talk about getting fucked by a lawyer.
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Ring into a volcano....are you talking about your penis ring again?
I let Jumbo borrow it, so I had to destroy it. Didn't want Sani to catch anything...again.
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this thread keeps taking a left turn. round and round. fuck.
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Don't argue with VV - little fella is an expert on getting runt-over by dudes on a muddy track
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Stewart needs to hire a lawyer that cares.